Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are they?
Miren Seeley
Hi all, I have been wondering for ages what sloppy joes and slim jims are.
Down here at the bottom of the world we don't have these things, so could
anyone please tell me? Hmm - actually we do have slim jims, a boring jaffa
(I think) flavoured biscuit (cookie) with chocolate on one side. I don't
think that's the same as in the USA.
Thanks - Miren :-}
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Sloppy joes are browned ground beef simmered with tomato sauce, ketchup,
mustard, and spices, then served on hamburger buns. These days the mix
comes in cans. We used to mix our own and I'll see if I can find a
recipe.
Slim jims are a kind of preserved sausage like pepperoni. They come in
thin sticks and different flavors. I've been sending them to my
brother-in-law in Bosnia, along with beef jerky and Pop Tarts. Things he
misses about American cuisine!
Best wishes,
Rebecca Arkenberg
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nti...@art.unt.edu
Sue M. Ford
On Apr 29, 1996 15:03:32 in article <Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are
they?>, 'miren....@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (Miren Seeley)' wrote:
>Hi all, I have been wondering for ages what sloppy joes and slim jims are.
>Down here at the bottom of the world we don't have these things, so could
>anyone please tell me? Hmm - actually we do have slim jims, a boring jaffa
>(I think) flavoured biscuit (cookie) with chocolate on one side. I don't
>think that's the same as in the USA.
Here's a recipe for Sloppy Joe's. We've been through the "tomato sauce"
vs. "ketchup" thing here on rfc- all I can say is that this is
American-type ketchup like Heinz or Hunt's!
SLOPPY JOE'S
(Source: Mom)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Brown in a bit of oil
2 lb ground beef
chopped onions or onion flakes, to taste
Combine
1 c ketchup
1/2 c water
2 T prepared mustard
2 T vinegar
2 tsp Worcestershire sauce
Add to skillet with browned meat. Simmer for about 20 min. Serve on
hamburger rolls, toasted and/or buttered.
--
Sue (tm)
Lead me not into temptation.... I can find it myself!
Kevin Wilhite
In article <miren.seeley-2...@mac120173.otago.ac.nz>,
Miren Seeley <miren....@stonebow.otago.ac.nz> wrote:
>Hi all, I have been wondering for ages what sloppy joes and slim jims are.
>Down here at the bottom of the world we don't have these things, so could
>anyone please tell me? Hmm - actually we do have slim jims, a boring jaffa
>(I think) flavoured biscuit (cookie) with chocolate on one side. I don't
>think that's the same as in the USA.
Sloppy joes are a combination of ground beef, tomato sauce, salt, pepper
and other spices, in some ways similar to a thick chili.
The mixture is spread on bread. They're really notthat bad, especially
on cool days.
And you are right about slim jims. Take beef or pork, add spices and
stuff in a casing a bit thicker than a pencil. Package in plastic that
can be difficult as heck to open. Sell in bars and quick marts (if you
think of a store called tank and tummy you'll get the picture. They
often sell gasoline and have a limited selection of food, beer and other
assorted and sudry items.) Slim jims, IMHO are terrible for your health
but damn they are good!
as ever,
-K
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In article <miren.seeley-2...@mac120173.otago.ac.nz>, miren....@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (Miren Seeley) writes:
> Hi all, I have been wondering for ages what sloppy joes and slim jims are.
> Down here at the bottom of the world we don't have these things, so could
> anyone please tell me? Hmm - actually we do have slim jims, a boring jaffa
Slim Jims: you're not missing much. They are sausage sticks, about a
half inch in diameter and the length of a pencil. Here in Pittsburgh, they
are a bar snack. The flavor is like slightly greasy beef jerky.
I like sloppy joes. And, hey, you can make them down under, too. The
basic premise is placing crumbly sauced ground meat on a hamburger bun. Saute
onions and garlic, perhaps some bell peppers. Brown some ground beef, pouring
off the fat. Combine the above. Add ketchup and/or tomato sauce or tomato
paste, tabasco, brown sugar. Really, add whatever is handy. That last bit of
barbeque sauce in the back of the fridge would be fine. Serve on the buns.
-Marni
idlewild
In article <miren.seeley-2...@mac120173.otago.ac.nz>,
Miren Seeley <miren....@stonebow.otago.ac.nz> wrote:
>Down here at the bottom of the world we don't have these things, so could
>anyone please tell me? Hmm - actually we do have slim jims, a boring jaffa
>think that's the same as in the USA.
sloppy joes: ground beef mixed with a sauce made up of canned tomatoes,
various spices (not italian-like, tho), onions, and way drippy. you
ladle it onto a toasted hamburger bun and try to eat w/o it sliding
all over your face, arms, clothing... it's usually orange.
and slim jims are: dried little sticks of spicy beef - not exactly
beef jerky, but more like miniature dried sausages. chewy. kind of
tough. sort of greasy.
-j.
Eric Flesch
>Hi all, I have been wondering for ages what sloppy joes and slim jims are.
>Down here at the bottom of the world we don't have these things, so could
>anyone please tell me? Hmm - actually we do have slim jims, a boring jaffa
>(I think) flavoured biscuit (cookie) with chocolate on one side. I don't
>think that's the same as in the USA.
Sloppy Joes, one of my American husband's favourite foods from his
past. He is out so will let someone in U.S. reply with a
description. He misses few foods but has fond memories of sloppy joes
to the extent that I have spent hours at the library seeking out
recipes to no avail, eventually found one in a local fundraising
cookbook, not the right taste in his opinion. Also found some on WWW,
still not the right taste. His mother sends packet mixes which he
says are close to *the taste*. So if anyone has a recipe he would
love me to make it!
Sue Flesch, Nelson, New Zealand
Sue M. Ford
On Apr 29, 1996 04:45:52 in article <Re: Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are
they?>, 'jos...@ellis.uchicago.edu (idlewild)' wrote:
>sloppy joes: ground beef mixed with a sauce made up of canned tomatoes,
>various spices (not italian-like, tho), onions, and way drippy. you
>ladle it onto a toasted hamburger bun and try to eat w/o it sliding
>all over your face, arms, clothing... it's usually orange.
idlewild
In article <4m2cku$5...@pipe6.nyc.pipeline.com>,
Sue M. Ford <s...@nyc.pipeline.com> wrote:
>On Apr 29, 1996 04:45:52 in article <Re: Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are
>they?>, 'jos...@ellis.uchicago.edu (idlewild)' wrote:
>
>>sloppy joes: ground beef mixed with a sauce made up of canned tomatoes,
>>various spices (not italian-like, tho), onions, and way drippy. you
>>ladle it onto a toasted hamburger bun and try to eat w/o it sliding
>>all over your face, arms, clothing... it's usually orange.
>
>Orange????
er, the stains are, rather. the meat itself is usually... mmm...
burnt sienna.
-j.
Fraser Jopp
In article <DqLx8...@midway.uchicago.edu> idlewild,
jos...@ellis.uchicago.edu writes:
>sloppy joes: ground beef mixed with a sauce made up of canned tomatoes,
>various spices (not italian-like, tho), onions, and way drippy. you
>ladle it onto a toasted hamburger bun and try to eat w/o it sliding
>all over your face, arms, clothing... it's usually orange.
>
Are these the same as the 'loose meats' they're always talking about in
Roseanne?
Baffled of London
ki...@utkvx.utk.edu
>>Hi all, I have been wondering for ages what sloppy joes and slim jims are.
Slim Jims (at least the ones I am familiar with) are a highly spiced cross
between beef jerky and sausage with an infinite shelf-life.
Sloppy Joes are ground beef in a sweetish tomato based sauce. They are served
open-faced or as a traditional sandwich.
Cassandra
Sloppy Joes are very, very greasy, tomato-sauce filled "loose" hamburger
meat piled on a hamburger bun and served to helpless children who are
assumed to love the stuff...like "peanut butter balls" which are cheap
peanut butter mixed with honey and raisins and stuck on the side of your
plate..where they seem to sweat...it is assumed that children love these
too.....
Some of us hated both of them...they still make me sick to look at.
Slim jims are a processed-meat "snack"..about as greasy and very
chemical-tasting...those I *love*
oh well
there is both the info and the opinion!!!!
Nancy Dooley
In article <83079515...@fjopp.demon.co.uk> Fraser Jopp <fra...@fjopp.demon.co.uk> writes:
>From: Fraser Jopp <fra...@fjopp.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Loose meats (was Re: Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are they?)
>Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 16:25:53 GMT
>Baffled of London
One would think so, but to a purist about it, no. Roseanne's "loose meat"
sandwiches are intended to be like the Maid-Rite, which is steamed ground beef
with or without (depending on the franchise-holder) some special spices,
served on a hamburger bun. (The idea came from her association with Tom
Arnold, who is from Iowa.)
Sloppy Joes are made with steamed ground beef in a tomato sauce or ketchup
sauce.
Nancy Dooley
"Celebrate our State." IOWA'S Sesquicentennial year, 1846-1996.
Nancy Dooley
In article <4m32mo$g...@nova.dimensional.com> Cassandra <kenf...@dimensional.com> writes:
>From: Cassandra <kenf...@dimensional.com>
>Subject: Re: Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are they?
>Date: 29 Apr 1996 18:44:39 GMT
Bad Sloppy Joes may be greasy, but the best ones aren't. You shoulda had some
good ones.
Nancy A. Howells
>>>>> "Miren" == Miren Seeley <miren....@stonebow.otago.ac.nz> writes:
Miren> Hi all, I have been wondering for ages what sloppy joes and
Miren> slim jims are. Down here at the bottom of the world we
Miren> don't have these things, so could anyone please tell me?
There have been several great descriptions of sloppy joes - but I know
a different description of a Slim Jim than the dried beef sticks
others have mentioned.
In my corner of the world (in my hometown/Michigan) there is a chain
called Big Boy (Elias Brothers) which does a sandwich called a Slim
Jim. It's the following:
A small sub roll, sliced and toasted
Two slices ham (not slivered, but not thick, about 1/8 of an inch
thick)
Two slices swiss cheese
lettuce
tomato
tartar sauce
Yes, folks, the 'secret sauce' here is tartar sauce.
How to assemble:
Toast roll (insides only).
Place ham slices on grill (or in pan) and heat, pressing with a
spatula.
Spread hot roll with tartar sauce. Place cheese on bottom, then hot
ham on top of cheese. Add lettuce and tomato. Put top on, skewer
with a toothpick, and serve hot. The restaurants usually place a
couple dill pickle slices on top, skewered to the sandwich with the
toothpick.
This was my FAVORITE childhood treat. No one seemed to know what the
sauce was - but then I worked for them for a summer, and voila!
--Nancy
how...@mit.edu
Nancy A. Howells
Nope, sloppy joes and loosemeats are not the same thing. I'm not
QUITE sure what goes into a loosemeat, but what DOESN"T go in that
does belong in a sloppy joe, is tomato sauce.
--Nancy
how...@mit.edu
Sue M. Ford
On Apr 29, 1996 18:44:39 in article <Re: Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are
they?>, 'Cassandra <kenf...@dimensional.com>' wrote:
>Sloppy Joes are very, very greasy, tomato-sauce filled "loose" hamburger
>meat piled on a hamburger bun and served to helpless children who are
>assumed to love the stuff..
and had sense enough not to make Sloppy Joes like that!
.like "peanut butter balls" which are cheap
>peanut butter mixed with honey and raisins and stuck on the side of your
>plate..where they seem to sweat...it is assumed that children love these
>too.....
>Some of us hated both of them...they still make me sick to look at.
Allen Uutala
>Sloppy Joes are very, very greasy, tomato-sauce filled "loose" hamburger
>meat piled on a hamburger bun and served to helpless children who are
>assumed to love the stuff...like "peanut butter balls" which are cheap
>peanut butter mixed with honey and raisins and stuck on the side of your
>plate..where they seem to sweat...it is assumed that children love these
>too.....
>Some of us hated both of them...they still make me sick to look at.
>Slim jims are a processed-meat "snack"..about as greasy and very
>chemical-tasting...those I *love*
>oh well
>there is both the info and the opinion!!!!
Ahh, an unfortunate soul who was apparently forced to eat bad sloppy
joes. Most people would drain the grease after browning the meat, or use
lean ground beef so there isn't much grease.
-------------------------------------------
Al Uutala, Queen's Univ., Kingston, Ontario
uut...@biology.queensu.ca
Rebekah and Chip
>Are these the same as the 'loose meats' they're always talking about in
>Roseanne?
>
>Baffled of London
I think in Roseanne they refer to the loose meat sandwich as "like a sloppy joe
without the sauce" so I'd guess they're different. But I'm not sure what's in a
loose meat sandwich at all.
Rebekah
Thomas Fenske
The only "recipe' I have ever really seen for loose meat is this (and
this was in an article inpsired by the Roseanne storyline). One
successful restaurant's recipe was this simple. Cook a pound of lean ground
beef with a can of onion soup. Don't brown the meat first, just cook it
with the soup until done. Server with sliced onions on buns. I've
tried it. It sounds strange but it is pretty good.
thomas
John Hobson
s...@nyc.pipeline.com (Sue M. Ford) wrote:
>On Apr 29, 1996 04:45:52 in article <Re: Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are
>they?>, 'jos...@ellis.uchicago.edu (idlewild)' wrote:
>
>
>>sloppy joes: ground beef mixed with a sauce made up of canned tomatoes,
>>various spices (not italian-like, tho), onions, and way drippy. you
>>ladle it onto a toasted hamburger bun and try to eat w/o it sliding
>>all over your face, arms, clothing... it's usually orange.
>
Yes, orange. Or at least the grease is.
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Miren Seeley
Thanks everyone for the replies...Not sure I like the sound of sloppy
joes, I'm not a great fan of the mince (ground beef) and bread
combination. On the other hand, I do like the sound of the slim jims. I
wonder if they are like beer sticks that we have over here, sort of
similar to a cheap & nasty salami, only not as dry & a lot thinner.
Miren
Philip F. Wight
I've made Sloppy Joe's for 4 decades. Most of my friends love it. The
basic recipe is very simple:
Take one pound of ground beef and begin to simmer, breaking it up.
Add a large onion chopped and cook until onion is clear. Also remove
seeds from one large green bell pepper, chop the pepper and add to the
beef/onion mix. Cook until the veggies are clear an the beef is
browned. Add one whole bottle of Heinz Catsup (hot catsup, if you
like a bite in it.) Reduce heat and cook the entire thing down until
thick. Take hamburger buns (or just plain white bread), butter one
side and put that slice under the broiler, buttered side up, until the
bread is toasted. Ladle the Sloppy Joe on the bread and eat.
Yuuuummmmmmy.....
Cheers,
Phil
James Harvey
In article <4m4ndi$o...@news1.ucsd.edu>, Rebekah and Chip <rin...@ucsd.edu> writes:
>>Are these the same as the 'loose meats' they're always talking about in
>>Roseanne?
>>
>>Baffled of London
>
> I think in Roseanne they refer to the loose meat sandwich as "like a sloppy joe
> without the sauce" so I'd guess they're different. But I'm not sure what's in a
> loose meat sandwich at all.
I have a couple of loosemeat sandwich recipes I got here and they appear
quite similar to sloppy joes. In fact, I have a slightly spicier version
of japlady's loosemeat sandwiches (posted here once as Moosemeat Sandwiches)
that cured me of the Manwich habit forever... (Manwich is a brand of canned
sloppy joe sauce BTW).
"Like a sloppy joe without the sauce" may come from the fact that the
directions on stuff like Manwich tell you use a whole can for 1 lb. of meat,
which IMHO is far too sloppy... It sure sells more Manwich though!!!
--
James Harvey har...@iupui.edu Disclaimer: My opinions; I don't speak for IU.
John Salmon
For Loose meat read minced meat.
J. Otto Tennant
har...@indyvax.iupui.edu (James Harvey) writes:
>In article <4m4ndi$o...@news1.ucsd.edu>, Rebekah and Chip <rin...@ucsd.edu> writes:
>>>Are these the same as the 'loose meats' they're always talking about in
>>>Roseanne?
>>>
>>>Baffled of London
>>
>> I think in Roseanne they refer to the loose meat sandwich as "like a sloppy joe
>> without the sauce" so I'd guess they're different. But I'm not sure what's in a
>> loose meat sandwich at all.
[...]
>"Like a sloppy joe without the sauce" may come from the fact that the
>directions on stuff like Manwich tell you use a whole can for 1 lb. of meat,
>which IMHO is far too sloppy... It sure sells more Manwich though!!!
Specifically, the reference is to "Maid-Rite" sandwich shops, common
in Iowa and Illinois and scarce elsewhere in the nation. A "Maid-Rite"
is just hamburger; the franchisor sells some spices which give
a characteristic flavor. However, the franchisee really determines
the taste and quality by freshness (of the buns, the meat, the
onion, etc.)
"Roseanne" attempted to start a "Maid-Rite" knockoff.
>--
>James Harvey har...@iupui.edu Disclaimer: My opinions; I don't speak for IU.
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Nancy Dooley
>I have a couple of loosemeat sandwich recipes I got here and they appear
>quite similar to sloppy joes. In fact, I have a slightly spicier version
>of japlady's loosemeat sandwiches (posted here once as Moosemeat Sandwiches)
>that cured me of the Manwich habit forever... (Manwich is a brand of canned
>sloppy joe sauce BTW).
A loosemeat sandwich, no matter who makes it, shouldn't have any sauce. It
can have spices, but no sauce.
Miren Seeley
In article <nancy-dooley....@uiowa.edu>, nancy-...@uiowa.edu
(Nancy Dooley) wrote:
> >Are these the same as the 'loose meats' they're always talking about in
> >Roseanne?
>
> >Baffled of London
>
> One would think so, but to a purist about it, no. Roseanne's "loose meat"
> sandwiches are intended to be like the Maid-Rite, which is steamed
ground beef
> with or without (depending on the franchise-holder) some special spices,
> served on a hamburger bun. (The idea came from her association with Tom
> Arnold, who is from Iowa.)
>
> Sloppy Joes are made with steamed ground beef in a tomato sauce or ketchup
> sauce.
>
>
> Nancy Dooley
I'm never sure if I've snipped these things properly. Anyway, what I
wanted to say is this: Steamed mince (ground beef)...YUCK!! I can't eat
the stuff unless it has been well browned and has LOTS of interesting
flavourings in it. Oh, by the way, someone said sloppy joes are sometimes
orange. Well my taco filling which has mince, tomato paste & chilli type
seasonings often has juice which is definitely an orange colour. Maybe be
something to do with the tomato paste/chilli stuff??
Nancy Dooley
>I'm never sure if I've snipped these things properly. Anyway, what I
>wanted to say is this: Steamed mince (ground beef)...YUCK!! I can't eat
>the stuff unless it has been well browned and has LOTS of interesting
Well, you just haven't had a good Maid-Rite, yet. C'mon over sometime and
it'll be my treat ;-)
Nancy Dooley
"Celebrate our State." Iowa's Sesquicentennial year, 1846-1996.
Richard Sherratt
miren....@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (Miren Seeley) wrote:
<munch>
>I'm never sure if I've snipped these things properly. Anyway, what I
>wanted to say is this: Steamed mince (ground beef)...YUCK!! I can't eat
>the stuff unless it has been well browned and has LOTS of interesting
>flavourings in it. Oh, by the way, someone said sloppy joes are sometimes
>orange. Well my taco filling which has mince, tomato paste & chilli type
>seasonings often has juice which is definitely an orange colour. Maybe be
>something to do with the tomato paste/chilli stuff??
Something. It's fat. The stuff that leaks out of browned mince. The
orange colour comes from the chilli. :-)
Regards,
Richard.
Mary Elizabeth
I think it's the combination of fat from the meat and the tomatoes
and/or chilies. In other words, you have to add something red to the
fat to get that Day-Glo orange.
MEB
Sharon Raghavachary
In <nancy-dooley....@uiowa.edu> nancy-...@uiowa.edu (Nancy
Dooley) writes:
>
>>I'm never sure if I've snipped these things properly. Anyway, what I
>>wanted to say is this: Steamed mince (ground beef)...YUCK!! I can't
eat
>>the stuff unless it has been well browned and has LOTS of interesting
>
and
>it'll be my treat ;-)
>
>
>Nancy Dooley
>
Maid-Rites. I'll be visiting Iowa next week, but now that I'm a
vegetarian (alas!) I won't be having any Maid-Rites. Have one for me.
:-)
Sharon (Weber) Raghavachary
Miren Seeley
> >I'm never sure if I've snipped these things properly. Anyway, what I
> >wanted to say is this: Steamed mince (ground beef)...YUCK!! I can't eat
> >the stuff unless it has been well browned and has LOTS of interesting
>
> Well, you just haven't had a good Maid-Rite, yet. C'mon over sometime and
> it'll be my treat ;-)
>
>
> Nancy Dooley
>
> "Celebrate our State." Iowa's Sesquicentennial year, 1846-1996.
Well there's an offer that's hard to refuse, I suppose I could put aside
my mince prejudice just this once. I'll be there next week, ok? sigh - if
only...
See Ya - Miren :-}
Nancy Dooley
In article <4mek9m$b...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> swe...@ix.netcom.com(Sharon Raghavachary) writes:
>From: swe...@ix.netcom.com(Sharon Raghavachary)
>Subject: Re: Loose meats (was Re: Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are they?)
>Date: 4 May 1996 03:52:22 GMT
>I'm originally from Cedar Rapids, Nancy, so I know a thing or two about
>Maid-Rites. I'll be visiting Iowa next week, but now that I'm a
>vegetarian (alas!) I won't be having any Maid-Rites. Have one for me.
>:-)
>Sharon (Weber) Raghavachary
I'd be honored!
76365...@compuserve.com
They are called, "Made Rites". I have a recipe that was posted
several months ago if you are interested.
--
Thomas & Calvin in Maryland.
Nancy Dooley
In article <4msq8s$kn1$2...@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> wi...@oho.ios.com <76365...@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>From: wi...@oho.ios.com <76365...@CompuServe.COM>
>Subject: Re: Loose meats (was Re: Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are they?)
Eh, um, er, excuse me? It's spelled "Maid-Rite."
76365...@compuserve.com
Sorry Nancy for the spelling error. Tom in Maryland.
Nancy Dooley
In article <4n610p$5ra$1...@mhade.production.compuserve.com> wi...@oho.ios.com <76365...@CompuServe.COM> writes:
>From: wi...@oho.ios.com <76365...@CompuServe.COM>
>Subject: Re: Loose meats (was Re: Sloppy joes & slim jims, what are they?)
>Sorry Nancy for the spelling error. Tom in Maryland.
>--
>Thomas & Calvin in Maryland.
Not a problem. Nice to hear from you.
Mary f(pud)
Tom, in Maryland? We missed you at the cookin! :-).
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