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rfd...@optonline.net

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Aug 30, 2012, 5:48:54 PM8/30/12
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Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the refigerator
instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer. Thanks.

Nunya Bidnits

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Aug 30, 2012, 6:19:44 PM8/30/12
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Sometimes frozen beverage cans will get soft and soggy in the refrigerator.
Why not just keep it frozen? It melts down readily with water.

MartyB


jmcquown

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Aug 30, 2012, 6:23:40 PM8/30/12
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On 8/30/2012 5:48 PM, rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
> Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the refigerator
> instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer. Thanks.
>


Okay, I'll play. Frozen juice concentrates (lemonade, limeade, orange
juice) are packaged in cardboard containers. I don't know about you but
I don't want to open the refrigerator and find sopping wet cardboard
sitting in a puddle of melted slush. YMMV.



Jill

Chemo

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Aug 30, 2012, 6:29:30 PM8/30/12
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On Aug 30, 2:49 pm, rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
> Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the refigerator
> instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer. Thanks.

I asked on ask.com and got three replies and all three said yes. One
mentioned that the container would get soggy and then leak.

rfd...@optonline.net

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Aug 30, 2012, 6:33:32 PM8/30/12
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:48:54 -0400, rfd...@optonline.net wrote:

>Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the refigerator
>instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer. Thanks.

Thanks. For whatever reason, I missed the fact that the container is cardboard.
I should know about the sogginess from leaving it out on the counter to soften
up before I mixed it. I'll try to think a llittle more before asking another
question.

George M. Middius

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Aug 30, 2012, 6:37:37 PM8/30/12
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rfd...@optonline.net wrote:

> For whatever reason, I missed the fact that the container is cardboard.

You could always switch to one that's packaged in plastic.


Chemo

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Aug 30, 2012, 6:53:52 PM8/30/12
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Or just grow a lemon tree.....

Julie Bove

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Aug 30, 2012, 7:11:19 PM8/30/12
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<rfd...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Yes it needs to be frozen for long term storage. If you are going to use it
in a day or two then you could put it in the fridge.


Ed Pawlowski

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Aug 30, 2012, 10:37:42 PM8/30/12
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:48:54 -0400, rfd...@optonline.net wrote:

>Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the refigerator
>instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer. Thanks.


I've kept it in the fridge or up to a week. Could probably stay
longer and be OK. The concentrate is frozen for long shelf life. It
is processed in season and can be kept for a long time until the
consumer needs it.

As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.
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ViLco

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Aug 31, 2012, 3:49:12 AM8/31/12
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I've kept it in the fridge or up to a week. Could probably stay
> longer and be OK. The concentrate is frozen for long shelf life. It
> is processed in season and can be kept for a long time until the
> consumer needs it.
>
> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.

Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the inside like
tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard containers without
some inner lining.


Julie Bove

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Aug 31, 2012, 4:05:31 AM8/31/12
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"ViLco" <vill...@tin.it> wrote in message
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Yes.


ViLco

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Aug 31, 2012, 4:33:44 AM8/31/12
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Julie Bove wrote:

>>> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.

>> Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the
>> inside like tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard
>> containers without some inner lining.

> Yes.

So there's no reason to worry about them getting soggy


Julie Bove

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Aug 31, 2012, 4:55:24 AM8/31/12
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"ViLco" <vill...@tin.it> wrote in message
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Oh they will get soggy. I don't know if they will leak though.


ViLco

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Aug 31, 2012, 5:05:28 AM8/31/12
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Julie Bove wrote:

>>> Yes.

>> So there's no reason to worry about them getting soggy

> Oh they will get soggy. I don't know if they will leak though.

On this side of the pond, liquids do not get through plastic film and foil
layers. If a cardboard carton gets soggy the options are just two: or they
are not internally lined with film and foil, or they get soggy due to
humidity from the exterior of them. There's no way a liquid can pass through
a tetrapak, and in my experience not a single tetrapak has ever gotten
soggy, not one in 40 years. Check what carboard are those cartons made of


Julie Bove

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Aug 31, 2012, 5:11:16 AM8/31/12
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"ViLco" <vill...@tin.it> wrote in message
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I think the problem would be the ends. Now mind you I haven't bought one
for many years. But the ends are made of metal and you pop one off to get
the contents out. Once thawed I would think it could leak there.


Ed Pawlowski

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Aug 31, 2012, 6:02:51 AM8/31/12
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Never has leaked for me. Many use plastic ends now too.

Bryan

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Aug 31, 2012, 6:55:10 AM8/31/12
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According to one source, they're "very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet."

--Bryan
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Dave Smith

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Aug 31, 2012, 8:51:11 AM8/31/12
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On 31/08/2012 6:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> I think the problem would be the ends. Now mind you I haven't bought one
>> for many years. But the ends are made of metal and you pop one off to get
>> the contents out. Once thawed I would think it could leak there.
>>
>
> Never has leaked for me. Many use plastic ends now too.
>



Contemporary disclaimer here... I have not bought a can of frozen juice
concentrate in years. However, I have in the past, and it seems to me
that the major problem was that, while he inside was well sealed, the
frozen contents led to serious condensation on the outside, and it was
that outside moisture penetrating the the wrapping that compromised the
strength of the tube.

Nunya Bidnits

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Aug 31, 2012, 10:24:17 AM8/31/12
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IMO the easiest way to deal with it is just to pour it down into a glass
container if you want to keep it in the fridge.

I haven't seen them leak but they get soft and when you pick them up they
want to squish, possibly ejecting juice concentrate at an undersireable
moment.

MartyB


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ViLco

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Aug 31, 2012, 10:59:03 AM8/31/12
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Sqwertz wrote:

>> Aren't those containers lined with foil and plastic film in the
>> inside like tetrapak? It would be crazy to put liquids in cardboard
>> containers without some inner lining.

> They have a thin, waxy-plastic coating on the inside, but that's
> usually it. It's not meant to be a sterile packaging like TetraPak
> since it's kept frozen.

Horrible, and only to save the license money to Tetrapak... here those
containers would be out of the market in a month


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ViLco

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Aug 31, 2012, 11:19:07 AM8/31/12
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Sqwertz wrote:

>> Horrible, and only to save the license money to Tetrapak... here
>> those containers would be out of the market in a month

> They work for what they do. Been that way since the 40's when FCOJ
> was invented. TetraPaks have a bad reputation here for filling up the
> landfills.

Tetrapak *is* recyclable, in fact it *is* recycled in most of Europe
including Italy, so if it ends filling up the landfills the issue is in the
recycling system

> That doesn't stop some manufacturers from putting kids
> drinks in them where the packaging costs more than the contents. AKA
> Juice Boxes.

Here lots of things are in tetrapak, from beans (tetrapak boxed instead of
canned) to OJ to broth to almost everything liquid.


Krypsis

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Aug 31, 2012, 11:20:04 AM8/31/12
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> According to one source, they're "very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet.."
>
> --Bryan
>
Hey, those lyrics are from a track called "Lemon Tree" on the album,
"Dish of the Day" by Fools Garden. I heard the track on the internet,
liked it so I bought the album in, of all places, Bangkok, Thailand.

In case you hadn't noticed, I have a rather eclectic taste in music.

Another oddity is an album by G Wayne Thomas. He produced a self titled
album with very good tracks on it. I like them all without exception.
I first heard it in the early 70s and didn't find a Vinyl LP until after
haunting used record stores for nigh on 30 years. When I had one in my
hot little hands, I had it professionally mastered to CD. They have
rereleased a remastered version of the album now on CD so I bought one
of those as well. The only one of the tracks that ever became popular
was "Open Up Your Heart" and that because it was part of the sound track
on a surf movie known as "Crystal Voyager".

OB food...

We don't have a lemon tree but a lot of our friends and neighbours have
them. Since a lot of what my wife prepares requires lemon, those we
obtain are squeezed and the juice stored in special "Ice Cube Bags"


We use these;

http://tinyurl.com/9dyjxmp

Here's what they look like with the lemon juice in them.

http://tinyurl.com/9loslc6

The tops on the ones we use self seal when inverted. This will show you
what they look like when full.

http://tinyurl.com/9eelfoo


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Krypsis

Jim Elbrecht

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Aug 31, 2012, 11:35:05 AM8/31/12
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Krypsis <kry...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>On 31/08/2012 8:55 PM, Bryan wrote:

-snip-
>> According to one source, they're "very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet.."
>>
>> --Bryan
>>
>Hey, those lyrics are from a track called "Lemon Tree" on the album,
>"Dish of the Day" by Fools Garden. I heard the track on the internet,
>liked it so I bought the album in, of all places, Bangkok, Thailand.

How young *are* you? Peter Paul and Mary sang those lyrics in the
60s -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLhYghzNfII Most recently that I
remember it was on a Seinfeld episode [or was it Cheers?].

>
>In case you hadn't noticed, I have a rather eclectic taste in music.

Not bad-- but I'll stick with PP&M.<g>

-snip-
>
>OB food...
>
>We don't have a lemon tree but a lot of our friends and neighbours have
>them. Since a lot of what my wife prepares requires lemon, those we
>obtain are squeezed and the juice stored in special "Ice Cube Bags"
>
>
>We use these;
>
>http://tinyurl.com/9dyjxmp
>
>Here's what they look like with the lemon juice in them.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/9loslc6
>
>The tops on the ones we use self seal when inverted. This will show you
>what they look like when full.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/9eelfoo

I never noticed *them* before. No desire to run out an buy any--
but I'm bound to think of something to use them for someday.

Jim

Janet Wilder

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Aug 31, 2012, 5:16:07 PM8/31/12
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On 8/30/2012 5:19 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
>> Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the
>> refigerator instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't
>> find an answer. Thanks.
>
> Sometimes frozen beverage cans will get soft and soggy in the refrigerator.
> Why not just keep it frozen? It melts down readily with water.
>
> MartyB
>
>

If you need to make it quickly, throw it in the blender with water.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Brooklyn1

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Aug 31, 2012, 5:49:48 PM8/31/12
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:55:52 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 22:37:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> As for being in a cardboard container, I've never had one leak.
>
>Either have I. It get soft, but doesn't leak. I open partially
>thawed juice concentrates and just make a glass at a time, leaving the
>rest in the fridge. Then use it over the next couple days.

That's typical illogical squirtz BS. Normal brained folks would mix
the entire itty bitty can for a beverage and store that the fridge,
NOT mix up one glass at a time... odds are sqwertz has never used
frozen juice.

Brooklyn1

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Aug 31, 2012, 5:54:23 PM8/31/12
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This is true, but still when refilled and refrozen a couple three
times they tend to leak where crimped at the metal bottom. Even if
someone needed some frozen concentrate to use as flavoring in a
recipe, ie. lemon cake, they still would mix the remainder with water
to use as a beverage... it's not like those itty bitty cans make up
gallons.

Brooklyn1

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Aug 31, 2012, 6:07:38 PM8/31/12
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On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:10:37 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
<barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>In article <gsnv38d6q9d2jb7uv...@4ax.com>,
> rfd...@optonline.net wrote:
>
>> Does it need to be kept frozen? Any reason it can't be stored in the
>> refigerator
>> instead of the freezer? I Googled the question and can't find an answer.
>> Thanks.
>
>My rule is to store things in the same manner in which they are sold.
>I.e., produce from the refrigerated section, refrigerated; produce sold
>at room temp, at room temp; frozen food, frozen. The high amount of
>sugar in the lemonade concentrate means it doesn't usually freeze very
>solid -- and if it does, it takes not much time for it to thaw for
>mixing. My fi'ty cents.

Frozen juices are packaged in itty bitty cans because folks mix the
entire amount at once, no one uses frozen concentrate to make one
serving at a time... even if I needed some concentrate for a recipe I
still would mix the remainder with water, and vodka... (preservative!)
Btw, tinned foods (once opened) should not be stored in their tin,
transfer to glass or plastic. I once saved up a bunch of frozen juice
concentrate cardboard cans for making ice pops, most can only be used
once as during freezing the crimp at the metal bottom opens.

Dave Smith

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Aug 31, 2012, 6:23:36 PM8/31/12
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I am relatively normal. We have an open can of orange juice concentrate
in the freezer. Neither my wife nor I drink orange juice, but we
sometimes need some for a recipe, usually the one for orange oven fried
chicken. That calls for some concentrate to be mixed with eggs for
dipping before the crumbs.

Krypsis

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Aug 31, 2012, 7:04:39 PM8/31/12
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On 1/09/2012 1:35 AM, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
> Krypsis <kry...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>> On 31/08/2012 8:55 PM, Bryan wrote:
>
> -snip-
>>> According to one source, they're "very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet.."
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>>
>> Hey, those lyrics are from a track called "Lemon Tree" on the album,
>> "Dish of the Day" by Fools Garden. I heard the track on the internet,
>> liked it so I bought the album in, of all places, Bangkok, Thailand.
>
> How young *are* you?
>
Young at heart only it would seem! ;-)
>
Peter Paul and Mary sang those lyrics in the
> 60s -
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLhYghzNfII Most recently that I
> remember it was on a Seinfeld episode [or was it Cheers?].
>
Same song title, different tune, different lyrics. I was mixing them up.
That's what comes from staying up late and posting when you're young at
heart but old of body.

http://tinyurl.com/agpolc

Above is the URL for the lyrics to the version by Fool's Garden.
>>
>> In case you hadn't noticed, I have a rather eclectic taste in music.
>
> Not bad-- but I'll stick with PP&M.<g>
>
> -snip-
>>
>> OB food...
>>
>> We don't have a lemon tree but a lot of our friends and neighbours have
>> them. Since a lot of what my wife prepares requires lemon, those we
>> obtain are squeezed and the juice stored in special "Ice Cube Bags"
>>
>>
>> We use these;
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/9dyjxmp
>>
>> Here's what they look like with the lemon juice in them.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/9loslc6
>>
>> The tops on the ones we use self seal when inverted. This will show you
>> what they look like when full.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/9eelfoo
>
> I never noticed *them* before. No desire to run out an buy any--
> but I'm bound to think of something to use them for someday.
>
> Jim
>


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Krypsis
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Cheryl

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Aug 31, 2012, 10:48:43 PM8/31/12
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On 8/31/2012 11:20 AM, Krypsis wrote:

> Here's what they look like with the lemon juice in them.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9loslc6

I've never seen those but I'll have to look for them.

Krypsis

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Sep 1, 2012, 1:44:28 AM9/1/12
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The big advantage is that you can rip off as many or as few cubes as you
need on any given occasion. They also fold up so are easier to store in
small remnants of space in a freezer than an ice cube tray.

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Krypsis

jmcquown

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Sep 1, 2012, 6:32:06 PM9/1/12
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Considering I haven't purchased frozen (any) juice concentrate in at
least 20 years, I never thought about there being an additional lining.
Lining or not, since I don't dole out spoonfuls of juice at a time I'd
keep it frozen until ready to mix with water. But then, I don't cook
with lemonade :)

Jill

Earl

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Sep 1, 2012, 10:07:06 PM9/1/12
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So you realize you should have STFU instead of posting...

peeps...@gmail.com

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Nov 10, 2016, 10:46:26 PM11/10/16
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Nobody's probably going to read this but this poor lady was asking about me being kept in the fridge for a long period of time and everybody just talked about the can leaking but it is on the inside and I had mine in the fridge for a month and that's fine, but they always say keep frozen so I was just wondering if it was safe to drink after mixing it up being side out for so long.
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