What is the correct choice? If you can, please give a reason for your
answer.
Thanks for your input.
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The reason for the difference in the shakers is that the texture of salt and pepper
are different. Since salt will flow through the holes more rapidly than pepper
will, salt shakers generally have fewer holes than pepper shakers.
i think that the salt should be in the one w/two holes. i have seen salt
and pepper sets where there is some funky anti-humidity clot near the
exit hole (uh, for lack of better terms), and it had one hole, whereas
the pepper had numerous holes.
also, in light of how good sodium is for your body, best keep the
salt shaking to a minimum, and use the one w/fewer openings for salt.
-j.
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"Will the *real* Iain Lea please stand up."
Not only is it trivial, but it points up a bad design.
Anything that needs to be explained or figured out will be
irritating over time and awkward for guests. I used exactly
such shakers at my sister's house at Thanksgiving, and my
logic was different' I thought that pepper would be in the
one with fewer holes, since it's more powerfully flavored and
people will want to avoid overdosing their food. Wrong!
It's good manners to make guests feel at ease. I reject this
sort of puzzle-piece. Similarly, I wouldn't serve food that's
extraordinarily awkward to eat, or provide fragile crystal,
or do anything else to make a guest feel embarrassed.
My own shakers are transparent clear glass, with tops that
screw on firmly, and holes that don't clog easily.
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Ray Bruman rbr...@netcom.com
>This may sound trivial, but we have two shakers and the first has two
>openings in the top and the other one has three openings. Given that both
>shakers are the same size and color, I think the salt should be in the
>shaker with the two holes and my wife thinks the pepper should be in the
>shaker with the two holes.
At my house it doesn't matter, because everyone takes the lid off the pepper
in order to get enough....:-)
Nancy Dooley
"A cheerful look makes a dish a feast"...Herbert, Jacula Prudentum
>In article <49ddq8$s...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
>StevenH113 <steve...@aol.com> wrote:
>>This may sound trivial, but we have two shakers and the first has two
>>openings in the top and the other one has three openings. Given that both
>>shakers are the same size and color, I think the salt should be in the
>>shaker with the two holes and my wife thinks the pepper should be in the
>>shaker with the two holes.
>>
>>What is the correct choice? If you can, please give a reason for your
>>answer.
>i think that the salt should be in the one w/two holes. i have seen salt
>and pepper sets where there is some funky anti-humidity clot near the
>exit hole (uh, for lack of better terms), and it had one hole, whereas
>the pepper had numerous holes.
And to help keep the salt from clogging up, you can mix it with uncooked rice kernels
in the shaker. The salt comes out, the rice stays put and absorbs any moisture in
the container.
> This may sound trivial, but we have two shakers and the first has two
> openings in the top and the other one has three openings. Given that both
> shakers are the same size and color, I think the salt should be in the
> shaker with the two holes and my wife thinks the pepper should be in the
> shaker with the two holes.
>
> What is the correct choice? If you can, please give a reason for your
> answer.
>
> Thanks for your input.
It used to be that the shaker that allowed more out (either more holes
or larger holes) was for the salt. The one that allowed less out was
for the pepper, the idea being that you didn't want your food too
spicey, but most people wanted a lot of salt.
Now that we have exactly the opposite values, I dunno what to do about
the shakers. We always use a grinder : )
Christine
The pepper goes in the one with two holes, and the salt with three. The three possible reasons I can offer are i) you usually use =
less pepper because it is a stronger spice and ii) historically it was very expensive and this kept you from using too much (I thin=
k this comes from the British). THe most important rationale that I can offer, however, is that my mother says to put the salt in t=
he one with three, and the pepper in the one with two ;-)
Later,
Squeaks
I vote for pepper = fewer holes, salt = more holes. Why? Because it was
always that way! But seriously, I think it stems from when salt was
nothing to be concerned about dietarily, it was common and used
constantly. Pepper, however, was "spicy" and used very sparingly. It
seemed to be more exotic. Please .. no laughing. It's just how I seem to
recall it. Maybe it's my mother's fault!
But, since I've been using a pepper mill for years now, who cares?! 8)
Geri
In the US....more holes is salt.
In England....more holes is pepper (salt is usually just one).
Don't know why.
>
> Of course my new shakers say S & P on them so that took away some of
> my quandry. But interestingly enough - they have the same number of
> holes!
Think of the assembly line that makes the shakers.
If they make 2 different kinds, they need more equipment. In the
interest of lower production costs the consumer loses what has always
been a God given right, pepper shakers with less holes.
You're lucky they put the S & P on them! Wait until they get even
more 'efficient' and make you label them yourself! ;-)
: Standards for this very important issue by Professor Mise en Place in the
: 17th century: salt three, pepper two. But those crafty American salt and
: pepper manufacturers started the "S" and "P" trend, which sent the hole
: counters into a tizzy.
**** It is not the number of holes that is important.. One is really
enough, but it is the SIZE... Salt comes in larger grains than Pepper
But then again, just like so many we things discuss here.. The size is not
nearly as important as what you do with it...
Cooking is one of several Creative Sports..
Bill Hilbrich
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Nasty, but gentle Protector of White Swans.
Maybe because salt is notorious for enhancing flavour? <grin>
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No, it's another example of the irresistable human urge to create
conflicting standards. Whenever a choice is completely arbitrary
but has far-reaching consequences, people screw it up. Examples:
Which side of the road should we drive on?
Should wall switches go up or down to turn on the lights?
Put a slash through the letter O or the number zero?
Use a comma or a period for a decimal point?
Represent the second day of March as 3/2/96 or 2/3/96?
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In Norway....more holes is salt.
It can't have anything to do with the Atlantic : )
Helle
>No, it's another example of the irresistable human urge to create
>conflicting standards. Whenever a choice is completely arbitrary
>but has far-reaching consequences, people screw it up. Examples:
>Which side of the road should we drive on?
The right side. The car was invented in the U.S. We drive on the right side.
Ergo, the right side is the correct side.
>Should wall switches go up or down to turn on the lights?
That drives me nuts. Don't you just hate it when one room has two switches
and they get out of synch? Me, too.
>Put a slash through the letter O or the number zero?
I was taught to slash the letter O, but one company I worked for insisted on
slashing the 0 (zero). That drove me nuts, too. I finally stopped writing it
and just typed everything.
>Use a comma or a period for a decimal point?
You got me there. I'm used to a period, but I've never had a significant
problem relating to foreign nomenclature.
>Represent the second day of March as 3/2/96 or 2/3/96?
Brother, that's another one.
On the other hand, I write the date as 30 November 1995.
>...
><<list has no end>>
True, but I'm glad this one did.
Yes, I know you were making a point, but I couldn't resist playing the game.
Apologies to anyone who is annoyed by this post.
In truth, the right way is the way we're taught or whatever is the best way to
do things for whatever purpose.
Does anyone remember the toilet paper controversy? Someone wrote to Dear Abby
(or was it Ann Landers) and asked the correct way to load toilet paper: the
end hanging over the top or coming up from underneath.
I think that's still raging...but the people who made the most sense were
those who pointed out how cats love to unroll the whole thing when the end
sheet is coming from the top.
Been there. Done that.
Mimi Hiller (hil...@smartlink.net)
http://www.smartlink.net/~hiller/food/
Hundreds of food-related links and my personal collection of recipes
That's easy - it's because we're smarter :-)
a) Grains of salt are relatively large and hydroscopic (which makes
them stick together).
b) Particles of ground pepper are relatively small.
So salt shakers typically have one large hole to let the salt out,
pepper shakers many small holes to spread the pepper evenly. Otherwise
you get no salt and a solid trail of pepper - yuk!
This isn't exactly considered rocket science over here...
Use whole pepper and coarse sea salt, put it in a salt grinder and a
pepper grinder. It's much better anyway!
Marit
Lara Alewine
Salt and pepper shakers are for collecting and arranging on shelves.
--mike ;-)
>> This may sound trivial, but we have two shakers and the first has two
>> openings in the top and the other one has three openings. Given that both
>> shakers are the same size and color, I think the salt should be in the
>> shaker with the two holes and my wife thinks the pepper should be in the
>> shaker with the two holes.
>>
>> What is the correct choice? If you can, please give a reason for your
>> answer.
>>
>> Thanks for your input.
This is an easy one. Pepper, like coffee, should never be allowed to sit
around in the ground state. There are many volatile compounds in pepper that
are released while grinding and are lost if allowed to just evaporate. So,
the salt goes int o the shaker (yes with a little rice) and the pepper goes
into a pepper mill.
Frank
: Choose your preferred salt-N-pepper category:
: (1) For tradition: Do what your mother told you, or look for the local M.O.
: (2) For health: Salt in the shaker with fewer holes.
: (3) Food snob: Salt in a shaker, pepper in a grinder.
Alternately:
(3a) Food and Etiquette snob: Salt in a well (with a salt spoon), pepper
in a grinder.
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I agree with this logic! Salt is heavier than pepper so it comes out faster
and should be in the shaker with fewer holes!
Pam
: Apf...@pfood.win.net (Andy Pforzheimer) writes:
: > Ray Bruman (rbr...@netcom.com) writes:
: >>Which side of the road should we drive on?
: > The right side
LEFT !!!
: >>Should wall switches go up or down to turn on the lights?
: > Up
DOWN!
: >>Put a slash through the letter O or the number zero?
: > Neither
: OK, I'll give you that one.
I put a slash thru Zero. However this is only when I am doing
work that needs precision (like programming)
: >>Represent the second day of March as 3/2/96 or 2/3/96?
: > 3/2/96
ordinarily it is 2/3/96
Programmers probably use 960302
lin
When exactly, did the use of shakers start?
Most of the old historical books, museums,etc show a dish of
salt with a little spoon on the table. Pepper was not in evidence
at all. I'm guessing it was due to the cost of salt and pepper in
those days, but I'm probably wrong.
Any ideas?
Lauretta Nagel
In article <1995Dec6.131214@cantva>, Lyndon Watson <L.Wa...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> (Lyndon Watson) writes:
|> Oh, goody, a religious war...
|>
|> Apf...@pfood.win.net (Andy Pforzheimer) writes:
|> > Ray Bruman (rbr...@netcom.com) writes:
|> >>Which side of the road should we drive on?
|> > The right side
I vaguely recall hearing that one of the African countries switched
sides of the road when they got their independence from England.
And get this.....they did it gradually. (The picture this gives
me still makes me numb with wonder.)
|> >
|> >>Should wall switches go up or down to turn on the lights?
|> > Up
|>
|> Hmm, two wrong so far...
What about those button things? In for On, out for Off.
|>
|> >>Put a slash through the letter O or the number zero?
|> > Neither
|>
|> OK, I'll give you that one.
I've only ever heard of slashing the number, but some fonts
really can confuse the reader (especially if it's a string
of alphnumerics).
|>
|> >>Use a comma or a period for a decimal point?
|> > Period
|>
|> Neither - it's a point raised above the line (hurrah for TeX).
Gotta go with Lyndon.....but man, haven't you heard of LaTex yet?
It's much easier.
|>
|> >>Represent the second day of March as 3/2/96 or 2/3/96?
|> > 3/2/96
|>
|> Weird and illogical. (Astronomers, being logical people, would write
|> 1996/3/2 so that the time can be added on in the same format as well.)
|>
For shame.........what about day of year?? Tsk, tsk, tsk. (Dec. 25, 1995
would be 1995.359)
|> > These are not exactly considered rocket science over here.
Well, most rockets now use LOX (Liquid OXygen). See? Back on topic.
(running away as fast as I can)
Lauretta Nagel
|>
|> In the too-hard basket, eh?
|>
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|> Lyndon Watson L.Wa...@csc.canterbury.ac.nz
|> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Apf...@pfood.win.net (Andy Pforzheimer) writes:
> Ray Bruman (rbr...@netcom.com) writes:
>>Which side of the road should we drive on?
> The right side
>
>>Should wall switches go up or down to turn on the lights?
> Up
Hmm, two wrong so far...
>>Put a slash through the letter O or the number zero?
> Neither
OK, I'll give you that one.
>>Use a comma or a period for a decimal point?
> Period
Neither - it's a point raised above the line (hurrah for TeX).
>>Represent the second day of March as 3/2/96 or 2/3/96?
> 3/2/96
Weird and illogical. (Astronomers, being logical people, would write
1996/3/2 so that the time can be added on in the same format as well.)
> These are not exactly considered rocket science over here.
In the too-hard basket, eh?
>Any ideas?
>Lauretta Nagel
I don't know the answer; I do know that my grandmother always used salt
cellars instead of shakers...but then, she had a maid, too.
Nancy Dooley
"A cheerful look makes a dish a feast"...Herbert, Jacula Prudentum
I believe pepper wasn't discovered until the other exotic spices
were discovered (someone help me out here) by Marco Polo (or some
such other adventurer, when they hit aisa/eastern europe, since
pepper is not a native plant to western europe or the americas.
(but again, I've been wrong before, someone help me out here). I
think the first pepper they brought back was East Indian Pepper
(white and black).
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> Maybe because salt is notorious for enhancing flavour? <grin>
Presumably this is the reason Americans put salt in their "beer".
Sorry, couldn't resist ;-).
Tim
Busses started going on the right side one weekend,trucks the next, cars
the one after that. This makes a lot of sence - gets the public used to
the idea gradually. Of course, we tell this story about the Swedes...
Helle (Norskie)
> : >>Represent the second day of March as 3/2/96 or 2/3/96?
> : > 3/2/96
There's a pretty clear order of rationality here:
96/03/02 is the only truly consistent one and is the international
standard. (To be precise, the standard may be 1996/03/02 and I'm not
sure if the separators are specified)
2/3/96 (UK) has a logical day-month-year order although
it's the *reverse* order to that used by numbers.
3/2/96 (USA) is only defended by those who are do not recognise the
distinction between "This is the way we do it" and "This is the
best/only way to do it", ie most Americans.
The UK order shows the classic big endian/little endian problem: in
numbers the most significant (biggest) element comes first: changing
the first digit of a number changes its value by more than changing
the last digit. In postal addresses (and UK dates) the most
significant element comes *last*: changing the country, which comes
last in the address, moves the location by thousands of miles,
changing the house number, which comes first by a few yards.
That's probably because in actual practice with addresses and dates
you miss off the most significant parts and assume a default: "14 High
St" means 14 High St in your town, "14 High St, Exeter" means Exeter
in your country or state. "I'll see you on the twenty second" means
the twenty second of this month, "I'll see you on the second of March"
means the second of next March. I would guess this is why the UK
system follows the postal address style and misses out the bits you
don't need.
Adding the most significant data at the beginning as in numbers was a
very subtle invention which does *not* come naturally but is a very
useful trick once you've got it.
Does anybody have any explanation for the origin of the confused US
order? (Yes, we say either "the second of March" or "March the second"
too.)
You see exactly the same confusion in urls of course:
http://newton.ex.ac.uk/people/rowe/index.html
changes direction part way through.
And now I realise I've typed in an article on big/little endian
order for rec.food.cooking. That's threads for you :-(
John
eg
they drive on the right we on the left
they spell differently color instead of colour, encyclopedia instead
of encyclopaedia, catalog instead of catalogue, the list goes on...
They still measure things on the imperial scale while the rest of
the world is in metric (eg gallon instead of litres)
the US 1 trillion is actually 1 billion in UK
the US 1 quintillion is actually 1 trillion in the UK.
The US liquid measure capacity is different form the UK.
that is only a small set of the differences.
Anyway most of the time I shrug and live with it or ignore it.
regards
lin
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sentence can't construct?
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> *It depends on what side of the Atlantic you live on.
> *
> *In the US....more holes is salt.
> *In England....more holes is pepper (salt is usually just one).
> *
> *Don't know why.
>That's easy - it's because we're smarter :-)
> a) Grains of salt are relatively large and hydroscopic (which makes
>them stick together).
> b) Particles of ground pepper are relatively small.
>So salt shakers typically have one large hole to let the salt out,
>pepper shakers many small holes to spread the pepper evenly. Otherwise
>you get no salt and a solid trail of pepper - yuk!
>This isn't exactly considered rocket science over here...
>John (who of course doesn't have a pepper shaker but knows people who
>do)
ACTUALLY, I heard a long, long, long time ago, when the earth was young,
PEPPER was a very expensive and scarce spice the upperclass folk enjoyed.
Since it was scarce, they placed it in a container with smaller holes so it
wouldn't come rushing out when tipped over, and be wasted
>If Yoda such an illuminated Jedi is, why he a reasonable
>sentence can't construct?
Please to make allowances for non English-speaking peoples. Yoda
having low TOEFL. Like self, sub-500.
Concepts are being completely transparent, but English is being
opaque.
- Shankar
regards
lin