Aldi's going full organic

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

http://www.organicandhealthy.org/2016/11/aldi-goes-full-organic-bans-pesticides.html

[Bruce]

In article <e0706e95-9518-4c01...@googlegroups.com>,
itsjoan...@webtv.net says...
>
> http://www.organicandhealthy.org/2016/11/aldi-goes-full-organic-bans-pesticides.html

That's great. I hope they do it in Australia too.

[Jeßus]

On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:19:27 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>http://www.organicandhealthy.org/2016/11/aldi-goes-full-organic-bans-pesticides.html

Good news.


Cue a certain person to criticise this change...

[Bruce]

In article <07275cp70jk95dgke...@j.net>, Jeßus says...

By saying organic doesn't exist because the whole world is polluted?

[Bruce]

In article <17r9hs35...@sqwertz.com>, Sqwertz says...

>
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:19:27 -0800 (PST), itsjoan...@webtv.net

> wrote:
>
> > http://www.organicandhealthy.org/2017/11/alda-goes-full-boobieso-bans-pesticides
>
> What the fuck are you trying to accomplish by posting this bullshit
> here?
>
> This is Christmas. Screw your head on straight.

Pearls before swine.

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 01:14:06 -0600, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:19:27 -0800 (PST), itsjoan...@webtv.net
>wrote:
>
>> http://www.organicandhealthy.org/2017/11/alda-goes-full-boobieso-bans-pesticides
>
>What the fuck are you trying to accomplish by posting this bullshit
>here?
>
>This is Christmas. Screw your head on straight.
>
>

>+=-sw=-+

Yep, right on cue.

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 17:27:40 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

No, see further down the thread.

[Bruce]

In article <p3875c18vk193abmj...@j.net>, Jeßus says...

lol

[The Greatest!]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> http://www.organicandhealthy.org/2016/11/aldi-goes-full-organic-bans-pesticides.html


Another reason to love Aldi...they've been steadily improving their offerings.


--
Best
Greg

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 02:33:12 -0600, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>What cue? Thursdays I spend at the local Baptist fucks food pantry.
>I'm never sarcastic or obnoxious on Thursdays. Ever.
>
>Tuesdays and Saturdays. Ands sometimes Wednesdays.
>
>I thought you knew my schedule by now, Jebus.

Umm... okay.

[ImStillMags]

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 9:19:30 PM UTC-8, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> http://www.organicandhealthy.org/2016/11/aldi-goes-full-organic-bans-pesticides.html

I wish we had Aldi's on the West coast.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

It's absolutely no frills and the ones around here are very
clean. You do have to do your own bagging but if you've
ever used a self-checkout that won't be new to you. They
do have some excellent products and the labelling on many
items is almost the exact replica of the name brand; LOTS
cheaper though.

[sf]

On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:22:59 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

> It's absolutely no frills and the ones around here are very
> clean. You do have to do your own bagging but if you've
> ever used a self-checkout that won't be new to you.

That's one of the many reasons why Fresh & Easy failed.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

[notbob]

I see a trend. Ppl wanna eat real honest food. Not what some
corporation sez we have to eat.

I ate some Stagg Chili, yesterday. Was it always this bad!? My
"childhood fave" memories promted the purchase. I bought two cans. I
really do not wanna eat the other can. Particularly, when I have a
fresh made pot o' my fave, red beans sans rice.

Anywho, love to hear Aldi's has gone all organic. I wish we had such
places. Our only all-organic went belly up. "I can't buy it if you
don't sell it!" ....I constantly told them.

nb

[jmcquown]

I still don't believe anyone can certify anything "organic". It's just
more expensive in any supermarket where I shop. Does not seem to be
appreciably better.

Jill

[Bruce]

In article <o32f4b$a1s$1...@dont-email.me>, jmcquown says...

Organic fruit might even look less good then non organic fruit. And it's
more expensive! I'd buy non organic if I were you. You're too smart to
buy that organic hype.

[Janet]

In article <p4795ct3rtmu4libs...@4ax.com>, s...@geemail.com
says...

>
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:22:59 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > It's absolutely no frills and the ones around here are very
> > clean. You do have to do your own bagging but if you've
> > ever used a self-checkout that won't be new to you.
>
> That's one of the many reasons why Fresh & Easy failed.

No sign of ALDI failing here; the opposite.

http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/long-will-aldi-lidls-onslaught-
last/future-business/article/1386497

When Aldi and Lidl first came to UK, the combination of low price and
minimal service meant they were at first perceived as "low-end market".
Since then their fresh-foods quality and range has improved so much
(prices still low) that now they have captured a large chunk of upmarket
shoppers too.

Janet UK

[notbob]

On 2016-12-17, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Does not seem to be appreciably better.

Perhaps yer being scammed.

"Food being "appreciably better" was what got me into organic. I will
not even buy cilantro/flat leaf parsely if it is not organic. Why?
Mainly cuz they both taste the same. Completely flavorless!

Then I tried organic flat-leaf parsely. Parsely times 10!!

YMMV

nb

[jmcquown]

On 12/17/2016 10:48 AM, l not -l wrote:

> Better is the critical word. What is better. I was raised in a time when
> bigger, prettier and less expensive food was better. Where I shop most
> often, organic means smaller than "regular", ugly (blemished/scarred) fruits
> and vegetables at three times the price.

Exactly. And we're supposed to appreciate blemished/scarred fruits and
vegetables at a higher price. No thanks! I've seen no appreciable
difference.

> Most of the fruit and veg looks
> like what my grandparents would have cut up and hid in "canned" goods or fed
> to the hogs or chickens.

Probably. They sure didn't throw it away.

> "Regular" fruits and vegetables are most appealing
> to me. But, had I been raised in an era where I was constantly told evil,
> giant corporations were trying to get rich while slowly killing us all, then
> I might believe expensive, small, ugly fruits and vegetables were better.

LOLOL I buy from local farmers whenever I can. I buy what is in
season. I care about freshness. Organic? I should go to the farm and
check the quality of the manure. ;)

I get plenty of fresh local vegetables and don't worry about "organic".
I do care about locally grown.

Jill

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 12:56:39 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>LOLOL I buy from local farmers whenever I can. I buy what is in
>season. I care about freshness. Organic? I should go to the farm and
>check the quality of the manure. ;)
>
>I get plenty of fresh local vegetables and don't worry about "organic".
> I do care about locally grown.

Can't resist replying (even though I tried :)

Organic tastes and smells better. It might not necessarily be
noticeable enough to everyone but it's true. Whilst not a food, it's
especially noticeable with cannabis. There is a definite difference in
taste and flavour. That's all I have to say on the subject as everyone
already has their mind made up one way or the other :)

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/17/2016 12:56 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>> Better is the critical word. What is better. I was raised in a time
>> when
>> bigger, prettier and less expensive food was better. Where I shop most
>> often, organic means smaller than "regular", ugly (blemished/scarred)
>> fruits
>> and vegetables at three times the price.
>
> Exactly. And we're supposed to appreciate blemished/scarred fruits and
> vegetables at a higher price. No thanks! I've seen no appreciable
> difference.
>

> LOLOL I buy from local farmers whenever I can. I buy what is in
> season. I care about freshness. Organic? I should go to the farm and
> check the quality of the manure. ;)
>
> I get plenty of fresh local vegetables and don't worry about "organic".
> I do care about locally grown.
>
> Jill

Perhaps organic is better as it does not have chemical residue but I
won't pay a much higher price for it. Now do I care much about
appearance of a peel that will become garbage. What matters is the
texture and flavor.

Supermarket produce even allegedly in season is picked so it ships with
no damage, even if it has no taste and most customers buy what looks
nice. As you say, local farmer's markets are the best source. Some of
the produce my have blemishes, but picked at the right time will taste
great.

Our country wastes tons of good food just because it does not look
pretty. We really have to get over the importance of appearance and
seek out what is best to eat.

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:45:09 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:


>Our country wastes tons of good food just because it does not look
>pretty.

About a third of U.S food is wasted, apparently.

> We really have to get over the importance of appearance and
>seek out what is best to eat.

2.8 trillion pounds of food is wasted world-wide, and accounts for
about 21% of water usage.

[Bruce]

In article <o33u66$l0f$1...@dont-email.me>, jmcquown says...

Just because vegetables look perfect, doesn't mean they're any better.
Think of a bimbo with fake tits and fake lips. She looks great to you
and she's cheap, but she's all artificial.

> LOLOL I buy from local farmers whenever I can. I buy what is in
> season. I care about freshness. Organic? I should go to the farm and
> check the quality of the manure. ;)

You on a farm? Wearing a space suit?

[Bruce]

In article <VIf5A.151888$7J2....@fx03.iad>, Ed Pawlowski says...

>
> Supermarket produce even allegedly in season is picked so it ships
> with
> no damage, even if it has no taste and most customers buy what looks
> nice. As you say, local farmer's markets are the best source. Some of
> the produce my have blemishes, but picked at the right time will taste
> great.
>

Supermarket tomatoes, for instance, have been grown for their looks and
their ability to survive packaging and transport. So that customers like
Jill will love them. But they haven't been grown for taste first of all.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 8:02:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>
> On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:22:59 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > It's absolutely no frills and the ones around here are very
> > clean. You do have to do your own bagging but if you've
> > ever used a self-checkout that won't be new to you.
>
> That's one of the many reasons why Fresh & Easy failed.
>
>

Aldi's here is booming and people who shop there know they will
have bag their own groceries.

At Aldi's the checker has an empty cart turned sideways at the
end of the aisle (she is seated while ringing you up). As she
rings up your purchases she places them in her empty cart. After
you've paid you roll her cart over to a looooooong hip high shelf
to do your bagging/boxing. The checker then takes your empty cart
places where the previous one was ready for the next shopper.

[jmcquown]

Absolutely. It's not about how pretty the food is, as long as it's
fresh. As for pesticides... I wash all the fresh vegetables I buy. I
don't recall anyone complaining their vegetables weren't organic 35
years ago.

Jill

[Sky]

On 12/17/2016 1:43 PM, l not -l wrote:
>
> I do buy local when available; but, here (STL) we have a relatively short
> season for fresh. The two major regional grocery chains have arrangements
> with local growers and tasty peaches and vegetables are available during the
> growing season. Some decent. local, hot house items are available much of
> the year.
>
> The suburb where I live even has a fairly large "farmers market"; sadly, the
> "farmers" buy most of their produce from wholesalers. So, the items in our
> farmers market could be just as old and from as far away as those in the
> supermarkets We do have a true, large farmers market in the city of St
> Louis; but, the trip to Soulard Farmers Market is worth the effort only a
> few months of the year.

The Soulard Farmers Market in St. Louis is absolutely wonderful, IMHO
with my limited experiences as far as farmers markets go <g>. Whenever
in the STL area and if lucky, I'd stop at this fun market because it
offers so many different and fun foods and other non-edible items. I've
been there late spring to early fall, so I have no experience as to
shopping at Soulard during the winter months . . . . It's always worth
a visit!!

Sky

================================
Kitchen Rule #1 - Use the timer!
Kitchen Rule #2 - Cook's choice!
================================

[Bruce]

In article <17f90d5c...@sqwertz.com>, Sqwertz says...

>
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:19:27 -0800 (PST), itsjoan...@webtv.net
> wrote:
>

> > http://www.organicandhealthy.org/2016/11/aldi-goes-full-organic-bans-pesticides.html
>
> This is a kook site.
>
> Just getting rid of 8 pesticides does NOT make you a "full out
> organic" store.

True. I't a good step, but ALDI's not going 100% organic. Read the more
balanced article this one is an exaggeration of:

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/aldi-is-fixing-is-biggest-weakness-
and-that-should-terrify-whole-foods-2016-1?r=US&IR=T

[sf]

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:51:24 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:

> When Aldi and Lidl first came to UK, the combination of low price and
> minimal service meant they were at first perceived as "low-end market".
> Since then their fresh-foods quality and range has improved so much
> (prices still low) that now they have captured a large chunk of upmarket
> shoppers too.

We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
on self checkout. We have Trader Joe's, which is an Aldi subsidiary
(Aldi is following their model as far as going organic, non-GMO).
TJ's has lots of checkers and they have my business.

[sf]

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:01:20 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 8:02:25 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 15:22:59 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> > <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> > > It's absolutely no frills and the ones around here are very
> > > clean. You do have to do your own bagging but if you've
> > > ever used a self-checkout that won't be new to you.
> >
> > That's one of the many reasons why Fresh & Easy failed.
> >
> >
> Aldi's here is booming and people who shop there know they will
> have bag their own groceries.
>
> At Aldi's the checker has an empty cart turned sideways at the
> end of the aisle (she is seated while ringing you up). As she
> rings up your purchases she places them in her empty cart. After
> you've paid you roll her cart over to a looooooong hip high shelf
> to do your bagging/boxing. The checker then takes your empty cart
> places where the previous one was ready for the next shopper.

I know that type of checkout and those stores don't get my business.

[Bruce]

In article <t1gc5c525qliivnvf...@4ax.com>, sf says...

>
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:51:24 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > When Aldi and Lidl first came to UK, the combination of low price and
> > minimal service meant they were at first perceived as "low-end market".
> > Since then their fresh-foods quality and range has improved so much
> > (prices still low) that now they have captured a large chunk of upmarket
> > shoppers too.
>
> We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
> on self checkout. We have Trader Joe's, which is an Aldi subsidiary
> (Aldi is following their model as far as going organic, non-GMO).
> TJ's has lots of checkers and they have my business.

I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
thing to hold against a place.

[notbob]

On 2016-12-17, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

> I don't recall anyone complaining their vegetables weren't organic
> 35 years ago.

I also do not recall GMO crops, back then. I do find it curious that
the first GMO'd crop was tobacco. Co-inkydink? I think not. 8|

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism#History

nb

[Cindy Hamilton]

Agreed. My usual store has a carousel so the cashier fills bags as
he/she scans items, but when I got to a store that has the belt, I'm
not above bagging my own things, especially when they don't have a
bagger for every lane. It gets me out of there faster.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Of course it wasn't a coincidence.

1. Tobacco isn't a food crop, so they don't have to jump through so many hoops
2. The first GMO tobacco sold only in China
3. The first GMO crop sold in the U.S. was a tomato

Did you even read the Wikipedia article?

Cindy Hamilton

[Janet]

In article <t1gc5c525qliivnvf...@4ax.com>, s...@geemail.com
says...

>
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:51:24 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>
> > When Aldi and Lidl first came to UK, the combination of low price and
> > minimal service meant they were at first perceived as "low-end market".
> > Since then their fresh-foods quality and range has improved so much
> > (prices still low) that now they have captured a large chunk of upmarket
> > shoppers too.
>
> We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
> on self checkout.

They don't; they have checkout staff. You have to bag everything
yourself; someone said that would be no hardship to anyone who uses
self-checkout in other stores.

Aldi checkouts are nbo hardhsip to me because I *always* bag my own
stuff at any supermarket; I like it packed MY WAY, the ONLY way :-)

Janet UK

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/18/2016 2:59 AM, Bruce wrote:
> In article <t1gc5c525qliivnvf...@4ax.com>, sf says...
>>

>> We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
>> on self checkout. We have Trader Joe's, which is an Aldi subsidiary
>> (Aldi is following their model as far as going organic, non-GMO).
>> TJ's has lots of checkers and they have my business.
>
> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
> thing to hold against a place.
>

Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the same reason.
Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

What's the big deal of bagging your own groceries??? You have
to unpack them when you get home or is someone at your all's
houses doing this for you? You have to unbag a hamburger,
hotdog, sandwich, salad, whatever if and when you get a meal
to go. Is bagging your own groceries somehow an insult??
Not having baggers saves them money and it saves you money in
the cost of their groceries.

[Dave Smith]

I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I pity the people
who are assigned to talking people into using self checkout and helped
customers to screw the cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 23:55:31 -0800, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:51:24 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> When Aldi and Lidl first came to UK, the combination of low price and
>> minimal service meant they were at first perceived as "low-end market".
>> Since then their fresh-foods quality and range has improved so much
>> (prices still low) that now they have captured a large chunk of upmarket
>> shoppers too.
>
>We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
>on self checkout. We have Trader Joe's, which is an Aldi subsidiary
>(Aldi is following their model as far as going organic, non-GMO).
>TJ's has lots of checkers and they have my business.

I really prefer self checkout. I can make sure that all the
crushables are together, cold stuff stays together, canned goods --
everything just the way I want it for packing and then unpacking in my
home. I mostly shop at self checkout stores. Actually, I have all my
Costco stuff bagged in various cloth bags, including those big
insulated Costco bags before I get to checkout. I do it as I shop. I
make sure that all the barcodes are facing up and easily accessible
for the checkers. That way the bags never get too heavy for me. I
have no rotator cuff in one arm and minimal in the other, so lighter
weight bags are the way to go for me.
Janet US

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:25:34 -0700, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>

Correction -- I mean self bagging.
Janet US

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/18/2016 12:09 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

>>> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
>>> thing to hold against a place.
>>>
>>
>> Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the same reason.
>> Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.
>>
>>
> What's the big deal of bagging your own groceries??? You have
> to unpack them when you get home or is someone at your all's
> houses doing this for you? You have to unbag a hamburger,
> hotdog, sandwich, salad, whatever if and when you get a meal
> to go. Is bagging your own groceries somehow an insult??
> Not having baggers saves them money and it saves you money in
> the cost of their groceries.
>

When I was in high school I used to deliver groceries and yes, sometimes
I unbagged them for the customer. I got paid to do it and usually
tipped well.

As for Aldi, I've only been there a few times. They have crappy
injected meats and limited selection of other items. I've never been
impressed by them.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:59:29 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

I refuse to use the self-serve checkouts too.

[Jeßus]

Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.

[Bruce]

In article <iby5A.139660$TH2....@fx05.iad>, Ed Pawlowski says...

Why not? I don't care who puts items on the belt, who scans them, who
bags them and who puts the bags in the trolley. It's all so minor.

[Bruce]

In article <bb1eea11-2f96-4eef...@googlegroups.com>,
itsjoan...@webtv.net says...

Yes, that.

[Bruce]

In article <Pxz5A.192448$DF2....@fx34.iad>, Dave Smith says...

You must be against automation too.

[dsi1]

I'll use self-checkouts because I like doing things for myself rather than have others do it for me. Heck, I wish I could cook my own eggs at restaurants - I'm picky about eggs. OTOH, I wouldn't like doing the job of a butcher.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 11:18:44 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I pity the people
> who are assigned to talking people into using self checkout and helped
> customers to screw the cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.
>
>

Aldi's never had self checkout nor baggers so nobody is being 'deprived'
of a job. Besides all the fast food joints around here are begging for
people.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:56:38 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> As for Aldi, I've only been there a few times. They have crappy
> injected meats and limited selection of other items. I've never been
> impressed by them.
>
>

Unless you are butchering your own animals all your meats are
injected.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

When I go to Kroger (LARGE chain here in the USA) 90% of the time
I check myself out and bag my purchases myself. I don't mind doing
my own bagging as I can insure 1 gallon of milk, ½ gallon of juice,
all the canned goods are not in one bag while the eggs and a loaf of
bread are in another. I *hate* those overweight bags while another
has nothing more than 2 pounds in it. GRRRRRRRRRRRR

This past Wednesday I was at my Kroger and everyone who was coming
in the door was invited to fill out an employment application. No-
body is without a job at Kroger whether it's a cashier, stocker,
courtesy counter clerk, or in the deli.

[Jeßus]

Certainly not true in Australia.

[Bruce]

In article <2gnd5clrgugi0f5et...@j.net>, Jeßus says...

And you don't go to places that have them?

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:28:08 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:10:11 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 09:09:39 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >What's the big deal of bagging your own groceries??? You have
>> >to unpack them when you get home or is someone at your all's
>> >houses doing this for you? You have to unbag a hamburger,
>> >hotdog, sandwich, salad, whatever if and when you get a meal
>> >to go. Is bagging your own groceries somehow an insult??
>> >Not having baggers saves them money and it saves you money in
>> >the cost of their groceries.
>>
>> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
>> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
>> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>>
>>
>When I go to Kroger (LARGE chain here in the USA) 90% of the time
>I check myself out and bag my purchases myself. I don't mind doing
>my own bagging as I can insure 1 gallon of milk, ˝ gallon of juice,
>all the canned goods are not in one bag while the eggs and a loaf of
>bread are in another. I *hate* those overweight bags while another
>has nothing more than 2 pounds in it. GRRRRRRRRRRRR

That's one big advantage of bagging your own groceries. I don't mind
bagging my own groceries even if there is a cashier. One bulk buying
place I go to has such a system.

>This past Wednesday I was at my Kroger and everyone who was coming
>in the door was invited to fill out an employment application. No-
>body is without a job at Kroger whether it's a cashier, stocker,
>courtesy counter clerk, or in the deli.

That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:33:10 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

Yes, I go to them. You're familiar with Australian stores, so you
know there's a combination of both systems. I just don't use the self
serve checkouts. Having said that, I've been known to walk out if
there's only one or two cashiers and there's a big queue.

[Sqwertz]

On 12/18/2016 12:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> Heck, I wish I could cook my own eggs at restaurants - I'm picky about eggs.

An overcooked egg, especially scrambled, is a terrible thing.

Going to sous vide some soft boiled ones for breakfast soon, that
machine is the bomb!

And TNX to you and Ophelia for recommending it.

[Brooklyn1]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:25:34 -0700, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>

wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 23:55:31 -0800, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:51:24 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When Aldi and Lidl first came to UK, the combination of low price and
>>> minimal service meant they were at first perceived as "low-end market".
>>> Since then their fresh-foods quality and range has improved so much
>>> (prices still low) that now they have captured a large chunk of upmarket
>>> shoppers too.
>>
>>We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
>>on self checkout. We have Trader Joe's, which is an Aldi subsidiary
>>(Aldi is following their model as far as going organic, non-GMO).
>>TJ's has lots of checkers and they have my business.
>
>I really prefer self checkout. I can make sure that all the
>crushables are together, cold stuff stays together, canned goods --
>everything just the way I want it for packing and then unpacking in my
>home. I mostly shop at self checkout stores. Actually, I have all my
>Costco stuff bagged in various cloth bags, including those big
>insulated Costco bags before I get to checkout. I do it as I shop. I
>make sure that all the barcodes are facing up and easily accessible
>for the checkers. That way the bags never get too heavy for me.

I do likewise. I prefer doing my own bagging, many baggers have no
clue how to bag, they mix perishables with canned goods, cleaning
products with food, and place heavy items on top of produce.

>I have no rotator cuff in one arm and minimal in the other, so lighter
>weight bags are the way to go for me.
>Janet US

I have no problem carrying groceries but I want items bagged according
to where I store them, very often baggers don't think to bag like
items together.

[Bruce]

In article <q8pd5ch36flkreqee...@j.net>, Jeßus says...

>
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:33:10 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <2gnd5clrgugi0f5et...@j.net>, Jeßus says...
> >>

> >> I refuse to use the self-serve checkouts too.
> >
> >And you don't go to places that have them?
>
> Yes, I go to them. You're familiar with Australian stores, so you
> know there's a combination of both systems. I just don't use the self
> serve checkouts. Having said that, I've been known to walk out if
> there's only one or two cashiers and there's a big queue.

Wait until ALDI comes to TAS. They don't have self-serve checkout. But
they also don't bag for you.

[Brooklyn1]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:26:57 -0700, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>

I figured that out from your context.

[cshenk]

Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:

I don't feel as stongly as you say, but I feel like I removed a job
when I see a self checkout. Instead, I stand in line.

--

[Bruce]

In article <9sGdnXi3aZ_IccvF...@giganews.com>, cshenk
says...

I'm assuming you also don't use Internet banking, but go to the bank and
talk to an employee instead.

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:56:36 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

wrote:

>In article <q8pd5ch36flkreqee...@j.net>, Jeßus says...
>>
>> On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:33:10 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <2gnd5clrgugi0f5et...@j.net>, Jeßus says...
>> >>
>> >> I refuse to use the self-serve checkouts too.
>> >
>> >And you don't go to places that have them?
>>
>> Yes, I go to them. You're familiar with Australian stores, so you
>> know there's a combination of both systems. I just don't use the self
>> serve checkouts. Having said that, I've been known to walk out if
>> there's only one or two cashiers and there's a big queue.
>
>Wait until ALDI comes to TAS. They don't have self-serve checkout. But
>they also don't bag for you.

That's fine with me.

[cshenk]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:10:11 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 09:09:39 -0800 (PST),
> > "itsjoan...@webtv.net" <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> > > What's the big deal of bagging your own groceries??? You have
> > > to unpack them when you get home or is someone at your all's
> > > houses doing this for you? You have to unbag a hamburger,
> > > hotdog, sandwich, salad, whatever if and when you get a meal
> > > to go. Is bagging your own groceries somehow an insult??
> > > Not having baggers saves them money and it saves you money in
> > > the cost of their groceries.
> >
> > Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
> > your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and
> > I won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
> >
> >
> When I go to Kroger (LARGE chain here in the USA) 90% of the time
> I check myself out and bag my purchases myself. I don't mind doing
> my own bagging as I can insure 1 gallon of milk, ½ gallon of juice,
> all the canned goods are not in one bag while the eggs and a loaf of

> bread are in another. I hate those overweight bags while another

> has nothing more than 2 pounds in it. GRRRRRRRRRRRR
>
> This past Wednesday I was at my Kroger and everyone who was coming
> in the door was invited to fill out an employment application. No-
> body is without a job at Kroger whether it's a cashier, stocker,
> courtesy counter clerk, or in the deli.

Wishfull thinking there. Enjoy it about the jobs.

--

[cshenk]

Jeßus wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:28:08 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:10:11 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
> > >
> >> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 09:09:39 -0800 (PST),
> "itsjoan...@webtv.net" >> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >What's the big deal of bagging your own groceries??? You have
> >> >to unpack them when you get home or is someone at your all's
> >> >houses doing this for you? You have to unbag a hamburger,
> >> >hotdog, sandwich, salad, whatever if and when you get a meal
> >> >to go. Is bagging your own groceries somehow an insult??
> >> >Not having baggers saves them money and it saves you money in
> >> >the cost of their groceries.
> >>
> >> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
> >> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter
> and I >> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
> > >
> > >
> > When I go to Kroger (LARGE chain here in the USA) 90% of the time
> > I check myself out and bag my purchases myself. I don't mind doing
> > my own bagging as I can insure 1 gallon of milk, ˝ gallon of juice,
> > all the canned goods are not in one bag while the eggs and a loaf of

> > bread are in another. I hate those overweight bags while another

> > has nothing more than 2 pounds in it. GRRRRRRRRRRRR
>
> That's one big advantage of bagging your own groceries. I don't mind
> bagging my own groceries even if there is a cashier. One bulk buying
> place I go to has such a system.
>
> > This past Wednesday I was at my Kroger and everyone who was coming
> > in the door was invited to fill out an employment application. No-
> > body is without a job at Kroger whether it's a cashier, stocker,
> > courtesy counter clerk, or in the deli.
>
> That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
> generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?

It's wishful thinking on itsjoannotjoann's part. They want to PRETEND
that it's OK to eliminate a checkout line worker and so probably made
up the story on applications at the door. They don't do 'applications
at the door' and havent for a decade.

--

[Ophelia]

"Sqwertz" wrote in message news:o36p47$1nq$1...@adenine.netfront.net...

==================

My pleasure.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message
news:MPG.32c194fc2...@News.Individual.NET...

=====================

Our check out operators always ask. If you want they will bag, if not, they
leave you alone:)



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[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:34:43 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:28:08 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >>
> >When I go to Kroger (LARGE chain here in the USA) 90% of the time
> >I check myself out and bag my purchases myself. I don't mind doing
> >my own bagging as I can insure 1 gallon of milk, ˝ gallon of juice,
> >all the canned goods are not in one bag while the eggs and a loaf of
> >bread are in another. I *hate* those overweight bags while another
> >has nothing more than 2 pounds in it. GRRRRRRRRRRRR
>
> That's one big advantage of bagging your own groceries. I don't mind
> bagging my own groceries even if there is a cashier. One bulk buying
> place I go to has such a system.
>

Yep. I hate struggling with an overpacked bag and the next one feels
like it has nothing more in it than a box Kleenex.

>
> >This past Wednesday I was at my Kroger and everyone who was coming
> >in the door was invited to fill out an employment application. No-
> >body is without a job at Kroger whether it's a cashier, stocker,
> >courtesy counter clerk, or in the deli.
>
> That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
> generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?
>
>

There's plenty of work, at least there is in my part of the country.
The problem is not all jobs pay a starting salary of $25 an hour which
is what many want but have no training or skills for the high paying
job they think they are due.

[Janet]

In article <50260169-99fc-4ab4...@googlegroups.com>,
itsjoan...@webtv.net says...

Maybe in USA. Not here.

Janet UK

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 3:26:00 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
>
>
> It's wishful thinking on itsjoannotjoann's part. They want to PRETEND
> that it's OK to eliminate a checkout line worker and so probably made
> up the story on applications at the door. They don't do 'applications
> at the door' and havent for a decade.
>
>

I see the same people working at my Kroger that I have for years.
They do seem to rotate them from cashier to fruit and vegetables
to courtesy counter and stocking.

Wednesday I was extremely surprised when I walked into the vestibule
and the girl invited all who walked into door to fill out an
application. She stated all positions were open and I thought it
a bit strange to be standing at the door asking folks if they
wanted a job. I've been hearing several advertisements on the
radio as well about job openings.

Are they doing this in Memphis or Chattanooga or other states??
I haven't a clue.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je�us wrote:

>
> Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
> your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
> won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
>

I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but cannot
find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/18/2016 2:34 PM, Je�us wrote:

>> This past Wednesday I was at my Kroger and everyone who was coming
>> in the door was invited to fill out an employment application. No-
>> body is without a job at Kroger whether it's a cashier, stocker,
>> courtesy counter clerk, or in the deli.
>
> That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
> generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?
>

They all want to sit at a desk and get paid $30 an hour. Or they have
student loans and cnnot find employment in their chosen career as a
curator of a museum of 4th century Greek sculpture.

Plenty of jobs available in construction and trucking, but you can get
your hands dirty doing that kind of work.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/18/2016 5:09 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

>
> Wednesday I was extremely surprised when I walked into the vestibule
> and the girl invited all who walked into door to fill out an
> application. She stated all positions were open and I thought it
> a bit strange to be standing at the door asking folks if they
> wanted a job. I've been hearing several advertisements on the
> radio as well about job openings.
>
> Are they doing this in Memphis or Chattanooga or other states??
> I haven't a clue.
>

Many stores her have signs asking for help. Plenty of opening in retail
around here.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/18/2016 2:11 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article <iby5A.139660$TH2....@fx05.iad>, Ed Pawlowski says...

>>
>> On 12/18/2016 2:59 AM, Bruce wrote:

>>> In article <t1gc5c525qliivnvf...@4ax.com>, sf says...
>>>>
>>

>>>> We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
>>>> on self checkout. We have Trader Joe's, which is an Aldi subsidiary
>>>> (Aldi is following their model as far as going organic, non-GMO).
>>>> TJ's has lots of checkers and they have my business.
>>>

>>> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
>>> thing to hold against a place.
>>>
>>
>> Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the same reason.
>> Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.
>

> Why not? I don't care who puts items on the belt, who scans them, who
> bags them and who puts the bags in the trolley. It's all so minor.
>

I don't care either, but I prefer it not to be ME.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:36:51 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

>On 12/18/2016 2:34 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>>> This past Wednesday I was at my Kroger and everyone who was coming
>>> in the door was invited to fill out an employment application. No-
>>> body is without a job at Kroger whether it's a cashier, stocker,
>>> courtesy counter clerk, or in the deli.
>>
>> That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
>> generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?
>>
>
>They all want to sit at a desk and get paid $30 an hour.

I couldn't imagine anything more mind-numbingly boring... but I'd do
it if it meant earning a wage.

> Or they have
>student loans and cnnot find employment in their chosen career as a
>curator of a museum of 4th century Greek sculpture.
>
>Plenty of jobs available in construction and trucking, but you can get
>your hands dirty doing that kind of work.

That problem seems endemic to all western nations. It's like scallops
in Tasmania. They get shucked in Thailand, then shipped back here and
sold as 'fresh scallops'. Can't get people to do the work in Tasmania,
they say. Needless to say, I don't buy them any more and rely on
friends who occasionally give me their excess ones which I shuck
myself.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:56:35 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1:34:43 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:28:08 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >When I go to Kroger (LARGE chain here in the USA) 90% of the time
>> >I check myself out and bag my purchases myself. I don't mind doing

>> >my own bagging as I can insure 1 gallon of milk, ? gallon of juice,

>> >all the canned goods are not in one bag while the eggs and a loaf of
>> >bread are in another. I *hate* those overweight bags while another
>> >has nothing more than 2 pounds in it. GRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>
>> That's one big advantage of bagging your own groceries. I don't mind
>> bagging my own groceries even if there is a cashier. One bulk buying
>> place I go to has such a system.
>>
>Yep. I hate struggling with an overpacked bag and the next one feels
>like it has nothing more in it than a box Kleenex.
>>
>> >This past Wednesday I was at my Kroger and everyone who was coming
>> >in the door was invited to fill out an employment application. No-
>> >body is without a job at Kroger whether it's a cashier, stocker,
>> >courtesy counter clerk, or in the deli.
>>
>> That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
>> generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?
>>
>>
>There's plenty of work, at least there is in my part of the country.
>The problem is not all jobs pay a starting salary of $25 an hour which
>is what many want but have no training or skills for the high paying
>job they think they are due.

Figures. Same thing happens here, although it's certainly true that
there are very few jobs available in Tasmania.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

Well, maybe they should consider training them? Of course they
wouldn't do that though.

[dsi1]

The problem with big rig drivers is that a lot of them are not ready to drive on our roads. The schools that train them are pretty much scams that pass out licenses for a fee. At least, that's the way the one that my brother-in-law went to was. It's fairly obvious to me that in a few years, we won't be hauling freight across the country using human drivers. This will save a lot of time, money, and lives.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlCR4eG8_o

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/18/2016 2:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> Heck, I wish I could cook my own eggs at restaurants - I'm picky about eggs.

I cook over 800 eggs a year for the two of us. I'm very happy to pay
someone to do it for me once in a while. If you ever find yourself in
my town, come on over and you can cook yours and ours the way you like
them.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/18/2016 2:20 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:56:38 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> As for Aldi, I've only been there a few times. They have crappy
>> injected meats and limited selection of other items. I've never been
>> impressed by them.
>>
>>
> Unless you are butchering your own animals all your meats are
> injected.
>

Not injected with water like Aldi meats. The average supermarket is
better and if you look around, there are some really good sources of
meat raised without anti-biotics. Just bought a Berkshire ham and veal
chops.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/18/2016 2:54 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:


>
> I do likewise. I prefer doing my own bagging, many baggers have no
> clue how to bag, they mix perishables with canned goods, cleaning
> products with food, and place heavy items on top of produce.
>

Our Stop & Shop baggers are well trained. I never see that. We do
about half out shopping at BJ's so I pack the bags and totes the way I
want.

[Dave Smith]

How much training do you think it takes to drive a truck safely. It has
a lot more to do with the ridiculous schedules they are required to
maintain and the ever increasing loads they have to haul. The used to
have a limit of 40 feet for trailers. It was increased to 48 feet, and
later to 53 feet. That let to a lot more tractor trailers jackknifing in
heavy traffic. There is a short time lag from the time tractor brakes
engage before the trailers to, so the tail wags the dog. Every time we
get a strong wind we see tractor trailers flipping over, and it is most
often a truck with an empty 53 foot trailer.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlCR4eG8_o
>

[dsi1]

Well, I certainly wouldn't charge you to cook a few eggs. Cooking 800 a year might require a full-time position though. :) The thought has occurred to me that if we increase our egg consumption, we could save some money on food. I guess I can start by planning on making quiche this week, and maybe a custard pie too!

[dsi1]

I don't know how much training it requires. My brother-in-law probably knows. He says the school that was selling licences to drivers did not give out adequate training and that most of the learning that these graduates get is after they get licenced, on the road. He said the experience made him very wary about being around those big rigs.

The great thing about Hawaii is that we don't have those kind of trucks on this island and the drivers are not hauling long distances.

[Sqwertz]

On 12/18/2016 4:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> Plenty of jobs available in construction and trucking, but you can get
>> your hands dirty doing that kind of work.
>
> The problem with big rig drivers is that a lot of them are not ready to drive on our roads. The schools that train
> them are pretty much scams that pass out licenses for a fee. At least, that's the way the one that my
> brother-in-law went to was. It's fairly obvious to me that in a few years, we won't be hauling freight across the
> country using human drivers. This will save a lot of time, money, and lives.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlCR4eG8_o
>

Autonomous trucks need no rest breaks or greasy truck stop food.

And they don't have heart attacks or get hemorrhoids.

[dsi1]

In the future, machines will be so sophisticated that they will get hemorrhoids. Luckily, the repair will be simple, requiring that a single nut be retorqued. :)

[Sqwertz]

On 12/18/2016 5:44 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIlCR4eG8_o
>>>
>> Autonomous trucks need no rest breaks or greasy truck stop food.
>>
>> And they don't have heart attacks or get hemorrhoids.
> In the future, machines will be so sophisticated that they will get hemorrhoids. Luckily, the repair will be simple,
> requiring that a single nut be retorqued. :)

Ahahahahahahaaa!!!!!

[sf]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:59:29 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

wrote:

> In article <t1gc5c525qliivnvf...@4ax.com>, sf says...
> >

> > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:51:24 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > > When Aldi and Lidl first came to UK, the combination of low price and
> > > minimal service meant they were at first perceived as "low-end market".
> > > Since then their fresh-foods quality and range has improved so much
> > > (prices still low) that now they have captured a large chunk of upmarket
> > > shoppers too.

> >
> > We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
> > on self checkout. We have Trader Joe's, which is an Aldi subsidiary
> > (Aldi is following their model as far as going organic, non-GMO).
> > TJ's has lots of checkers and they have my business.
>
> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
> thing to hold against a place.

Organic is easy to find here, so I can pick and choose where to shop.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

[sf]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 04:05:18 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 2:59:34 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > In article <t1gc5c525qliivnvf...@4ax.com>, sf says...
> > >
> > > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:51:24 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > When Aldi and Lidl first came to UK, the combination of low price and
> > > > minimal service meant they were at first perceived as "low-end market".
> > > > Since then their fresh-foods quality and range has improved so much
> > > > (prices still low) that now they have captured a large chunk of upmarket
> > > > shoppers too.
> > >
> > > We don't have Aldi here, but they won't get my business if they insist
> > > on self checkout. We have Trader Joe's, which is an Aldi subsidiary
> > > (Aldi is following their model as far as going organic, non-GMO).
> > > TJ's has lots of checkers and they have my business.
> >
> > I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
> > thing to hold against a place.
>

> Agreed. My usual store has a carousel so the cashier fills bags as
> he/she scans items, but when I got to a store that has the belt, I'm
> not above bagging my own things, especially when they don't have a
> bagger for every lane. It gets me out of there faster.
>
Not me. I let the checkers do their job.

[sf]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:20:21 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:56:38 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > As for Aldi, I've only been there a few times. They have crappy
> > injected meats and limited selection of other items. I've never been
> > impressed by them.
> >
> >
> Unless you are butchering your own animals all your meats are
> injected.

Sounds like you shop at crappy stores.

[sf]

Not here either, unless you shop at Aldi and Walmart.

[sf]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:34:35 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

> That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
> generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?

The unemployment rate is much lower here than the Republicans would
like you to believe. Those who would work those jobs work in nearby
Cities where a higher minimum wage and included health insurance is
the norm, so the outlying areas that have lower minimum wages (with or
without health insurance) beg for workers. That's capitalism for you.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 12/18/2016 6:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> How much training do you think it takes to drive a truck safely. It has
> a lot more to do with the ridiculous schedules they are required to
> maintain and the ever increasing loads they have to haul. The used to
> have a limit of 40 feet for trailers. It was increased to 48 feet, and
> later to 53 feet. That let to a lot more tractor trailers jackknifing in
> heavy traffic. There is a short time lag from the time tractor brakes
> engage before the trailers to, so the tail wags the dog. Every time we
> get a strong wind we see tractor trailers flipping over, and it is most
> often a truck with an empty 53 foot trailer.
>

Times have changed. The NJ Turnpike has a set of lanes that does not
allow trucks and a set of lanes for trucks and cars. Thirty years ago
I'd opt to go in the truck lanes. You were traveling with professional
drivers and it was easy to travel with them. Not so much today. Too
many cowboys out there now.

There was an article in the paper a few month back that said some of the
trucking firms were going to request the age for commercial drivers be
lowered to 18 because they need more drivers. Scary to think of
teenagers with little experience piloting 80,000 pound rigs.

[sf]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:55:48 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

> That problem seems endemic to all western nations. It's like scallops
> in Tasmania. They get shucked in Thailand, then shipped back here and
> sold as 'fresh scallops'. Can't get people to do the work in Tasmania,
> they say. Needless to say, I don't buy them any more and rely on
> friends who occasionally give me their excess ones which I shuck
> myself.

That's total BS by the employer. They send their scallops to Thailand
because wages are lower and there's no oversight, so they can treat
their workers like slaves. Employers use the same type of BS line
about no skilled workers here too (take engineers), so they can apply
for H-1B. They can't attract US citizens at the pitiful amount they
pay foreigners from India... because our standard of living is higher
and therefore more costly. http://www.myvisajobs.com/H1B_Visa.aspx.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Yes, they do train. You need to have an IQ above room temperature though.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:59:32 -0800, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:34:35 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:
>
>> That seems strange, I thought there was unemployment in the U.S,
>> generally speaking? Why are there no takers for jobs?
>
>The unemployment rate is much lower here than the Republicans would
>like you to believe. Those who would work those jobs work in nearby
>Cities where a higher minimum wage and included health insurance is
>the norm, so the outlying areas that have lower minimum wages (with or
>without health insurance) beg for workers. That's capitalism for you.

My state is currently at 3.8%. The United States in November, 2016
was 4.6%.
Janet US

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:10:07 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

I'm sure such people could be found.

[sf]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:33:12 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

> On 12/18/2016 2:10 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
> >
> > Is your version of self serve just the bagging or do you also scan
> > your own items, pay and then bag them? Australia has the latter and I
> > won't use them. I'd rather the store a employ cashier.
> >
>
> I agree, but it is not always that simple. I asked the manager of out
> local supermarket. He'd like to have more cashiers at times but cannot
> find enough qualified people to cover all the hours.

What do they want, a certified CPA? Maybe they should contract out to
India.

[sf]

Agree. They won't spend what it takes to make or attract qualified
employees, so they cry a pity river to customers who ask why the store
isn't better staffed.

[sf]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 12:19:53 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2016-12-18 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> > On 12/18/2016 2:59 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> >> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
> >> thing to hold against a place.
> >>
> >

> > Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the same reason.
> > Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.
>
>
> I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I pity the people
> who are assigned to talking people into using self checkout and helped
> customers to screw the cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.

Self-checkout is fine for only a few items, but I am not self-checking
more than a handful... it takes me way too long and I leave feeling
angry.

[sf]

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 06:12:52 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> In article <Pxz5A.192448$DF2....@fx34.iad>, Dave Smith says...

> >
> > On 2016-12-18 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 12/18/2016 2:59 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > >> I couldn't care less what kind of checkout they have. What a strange
> > >> thing to hold against a place.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Why not? I dislike self checkout and I'd not go for the same reason.
> > > Aldi is self packing but has a cashier.
> >
> >
> > I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I pity the people
> > who are assigned to talking people into using self checkout and helped
> > customers to screw the cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.
>

> You must be against automation too.

Self-checkout is exactly the same as going though a normal checkout
line (same machine), except you're the unpaid checker. You and Joan
might be stupid enough to subsidize a gigantic corporation, but some
of us are not.

[sf]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:18:27 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

> On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 11:18:44 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > I won't do self checkout. I prefer some human contact. I pity the people
> > who are assigned to talking people into using self checkout and helped
> > customers to screw the cashiers out of jobs. They are like Judas goats.
> >
> >

> Aldi's never had self checkout nor baggers so nobody is being 'deprived'
> of a job. Besides all the fast food joints around here are begging for
> people.

You go right ahead and tell yourself that, but don't expect the rest
of us to buy that line of BS.