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Ed Pawlowski
May 5, 2022, 9:50:48 PM5/5/22
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I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
it.
An article that appeared in The San Francisco Chronicle:
Cane and beet share the same chemistry but act
differently in the kitchen
Miriam Morgan, Chronicle Assistant Food Editor
Wednesday,`March 31, 1999
San Francisco Chronicle
Carolyn Weil and her crew at The Bake Shop in Berkeley were hard
at work one morning, boiling down large pots of sugar syrup to
make buttercream for the day's buns, cakes and confections.
It was a task the staff had done hundreds of times. But this
morning the normally silky syrup crystallized into large, chunky
granules. Weil tossed it, along with plans for most of the baked
goods she wanted to sell that day.
Not happy with a day's work and income wasted, Weil investigated,
checking her equipment and ingredients and determining the one
variable.
Sugar.
Weil's supplier had substituted another brand and, as it turns
out, another type of sugar altogether. Weil thought she was
getting cane sugar, but instead she got beet.
Despite what sugar industry officials claim, beet and cane sugar
are not alike. And the sugar industry isn't bothering to tell.
The labels of most brands of sugars on supermarket shelves neglect to
say whether what's inside is cane or beet. In some brands, the
contents can vary from day to day. The Chronicle tested and
blind- tasted creme brulee, cookies and cakes made with beet
and cane sugar and found that indeed there is a difference.
In all cases, the products made with cane were superior.
However, many in the sugar industry disregard such results,
because the conventional wisdom is that beet and cane are
the same -- both types are
sucrose and chemically identical.
NOT QUITE EQUAL
It's true that both kinds are sucrose, but only 99.95 percent,
and that minuscule 0.05 percent -- made up of trace differences
in minerals and proteins -- can have an effect.
Much of the 0.05 percent difference comes from the fact that cane
and beets are two different plants altogether. Beets are a root,
growing below ground; cane is a grass, waving in the breeze.
"That alone can account for mineral profile and content
differences,'' says Charles Baker, vice president for scientific
affairs for The Sugar Association, a nonprofit group focusing on
sugar's role in diet and health. Other variations are the result
of processing.
The beet versus cane controversy is a new development. Cane was
once the dominant sugar in U.S. markets, but within the last few
years beet has taken the lead. Beet now accounts for 55 percent
of the 10 million tons of refined sugar consumed in the country each
year. And, according to Ben Goodwin, executive manager of
California Beet Growers Association, the percentage is expected
to grow. One reason is that beet sugar is generally cheaper to
produce. It requires just one refining process at a single plant.
Traditional cane refining demands two processes at two different
facilities.
Beets can also thrive in a wider range of climates. This large,
homely root -- not anything like a regular beet -- is cultivated
in 12 states; cane grows in just four. And while total U.S. cane
and beet acreage has declined dramatically over the last few
years, cane has dropped most precipitously. Hawaii alone has lost
more than 60 percent of its cane fields over the last five years
-- victims of urbanization and conversion to better-paying crops
like macadamia nuts and coffee, says Roehl Flores , director of
marketing for C & H Cane Sugar Co.
Many in the industry continue to dispute the signifigance of the
shift from cane to beet.
"I can't tell any difference, and I don't think anyone else
can,'' says Joseph Terrell, director of public affairs for the
American Sugar Alliance, a trade association. ``The difference is
where it is grown and some of the processing, but once it becomes
sugar, there's no difference.''
But others see disaster looming on the horizon. Marion
Cunningham, The Chronicle's ``Home Cooking'' columnist &
author of the "Fannie Farmer Cookbook,'' says the shift from beet to
cane
endangers some traditional American recipes.
"It matters in recipes for baked goods like angel food cake. It
just isn't right with beet sugar. Lazy Daisy Cake, a wonderful
old sponge cake from the past, is a real problem when it's made with
beet sugar. It's coarse. All of those types of recipes are
different.''
it.
An article that appeared in The San Francisco Chronicle:
Cane and beet share the same chemistry but act
differently in the kitchen
Miriam Morgan, Chronicle Assistant Food Editor
Wednesday,`March 31, 1999
San Francisco Chronicle
Carolyn Weil and her crew at The Bake Shop in Berkeley were hard
at work one morning, boiling down large pots of sugar syrup to
make buttercream for the day's buns, cakes and confections.
It was a task the staff had done hundreds of times. But this
morning the normally silky syrup crystallized into large, chunky
granules. Weil tossed it, along with plans for most of the baked
goods she wanted to sell that day.
Not happy with a day's work and income wasted, Weil investigated,
checking her equipment and ingredients and determining the one
variable.
Sugar.
Weil's supplier had substituted another brand and, as it turns
out, another type of sugar altogether. Weil thought she was
getting cane sugar, but instead she got beet.
Despite what sugar industry officials claim, beet and cane sugar
are not alike. And the sugar industry isn't bothering to tell.
The labels of most brands of sugars on supermarket shelves neglect to
say whether what's inside is cane or beet. In some brands, the
contents can vary from day to day. The Chronicle tested and
blind- tasted creme brulee, cookies and cakes made with beet
and cane sugar and found that indeed there is a difference.
In all cases, the products made with cane were superior.
However, many in the sugar industry disregard such results,
because the conventional wisdom is that beet and cane are
the same -- both types are
sucrose and chemically identical.
NOT QUITE EQUAL
It's true that both kinds are sucrose, but only 99.95 percent,
and that minuscule 0.05 percent -- made up of trace differences
in minerals and proteins -- can have an effect.
Much of the 0.05 percent difference comes from the fact that cane
and beets are two different plants altogether. Beets are a root,
growing below ground; cane is a grass, waving in the breeze.
"That alone can account for mineral profile and content
differences,'' says Charles Baker, vice president for scientific
affairs for The Sugar Association, a nonprofit group focusing on
sugar's role in diet and health. Other variations are the result
of processing.
The beet versus cane controversy is a new development. Cane was
once the dominant sugar in U.S. markets, but within the last few
years beet has taken the lead. Beet now accounts for 55 percent
of the 10 million tons of refined sugar consumed in the country each
year. And, according to Ben Goodwin, executive manager of
California Beet Growers Association, the percentage is expected
to grow. One reason is that beet sugar is generally cheaper to
produce. It requires just one refining process at a single plant.
Traditional cane refining demands two processes at two different
facilities.
Beets can also thrive in a wider range of climates. This large,
homely root -- not anything like a regular beet -- is cultivated
in 12 states; cane grows in just four. And while total U.S. cane
and beet acreage has declined dramatically over the last few
years, cane has dropped most precipitously. Hawaii alone has lost
more than 60 percent of its cane fields over the last five years
-- victims of urbanization and conversion to better-paying crops
like macadamia nuts and coffee, says Roehl Flores , director of
marketing for C & H Cane Sugar Co.
Many in the industry continue to dispute the signifigance of the
shift from cane to beet.
"I can't tell any difference, and I don't think anyone else
can,'' says Joseph Terrell, director of public affairs for the
American Sugar Alliance, a trade association. ``The difference is
where it is grown and some of the processing, but once it becomes
sugar, there's no difference.''
But others see disaster looming on the horizon. Marion
Cunningham, The Chronicle's ``Home Cooking'' columnist &
author of the "Fannie Farmer Cookbook,'' says the shift from beet to
cane
endangers some traditional American recipes.
"It matters in recipes for baked goods like angel food cake. It
just isn't right with beet sugar. Lazy Daisy Cake, a wonderful
old sponge cake from the past, is a real problem when it's made with
beet sugar. It's coarse. All of those types of recipes are
different.''
Michael Trew
May 5, 2022, 11:49:27 PM5/5/22
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On 5/5/2022 21:50, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
> it.
I've never heard of it.
> I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
> it.
> An article that appeared in The San Francisco Chronicle:
>
> Cane and beet share the same chemistry but act
> differently in the kitchen
> Miriam Morgan, Chronicle Assistant Food Editor
> Wednesday,`March 31, 1999
> San Francisco Chronicle
Ed Pawlowski
May 6, 2022, 12:27:44 AM5/6/22
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looking for a recipe for broccoli and cheese soup but could not find it.
It was really good too.
Going back some years, cane sugar was getting expensive and there were
tariffs or something that drove the price up so beet sugar was getting
popular.
We import 1.48 million tons of cane sugar
What is the U.S. sugar quota?
The basic in-quota tariff is 1.4606 cents per kilogram (0.663 cents per
pound) for raw sugar and 3.6606 cents per kilogram (1.660 cents per
pound) for refined sugar.
Cindy Hamilton
May 6, 2022, 4:27:51 AM5/6/22
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On 2022-05-06, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
> I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
> it.
It's easy to find in Michigan. I'm not a baker, so I don't care whether
> I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
> it.
I get cane or beet sugar. I just put the cheapest sucrose into my
shopping cart. That's generally beet sugar; the last bag I bought says
"Made in Michigan".
--
Cindy Hamilton
songbird
May 6, 2022, 9:25:43 AM5/6/22
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...
songbird
...
> "It matters in recipes for baked goods like angel food cake. It
> just isn't right with beet sugar. Lazy Daisy Cake, a wonderful
> old sponge cake from the past, is a real problem when it's made with
> beet sugar. It's coarse. All of those types of recipes are
> different.''
how so?
> just isn't right with beet sugar. Lazy Daisy Cake, a wonderful
> old sponge cake from the past, is a real problem when it's made with
> beet sugar. It's coarse. All of those types of recipes are
> different.''
songbird
Ed Pawlowski
May 6, 2022, 10:06:49 AM5/6/22
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it makes some difference as it is chemically different. They would have
a little different reaction under heat.
Mike Duffy
May 6, 2022, 11:07:28 AM5/6/22
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On Fri, 06 May 2022 10:06:40 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> That would be best answered by the author of the article.
> I can imagine it makes some difference as it is chemically
> different. They would havea little different reaction
> That would be best answered by the author of the article.
> I can imagine it makes some difference as it is chemically
> under heat.
The article states that the molecule is identical, and both sources are
99.95% pure. Apparently, the 0.05% impurities have a different profile of
minerals which can act as catalysts for either intended or unintended
reactions close to the saturated boiling point.
In the article, the professional baker ended up tossing her cookies.
Alphonse de Lamartine
May 6, 2022, 3:01:49 PM5/6/22
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On Fri, 6 May 2022 13:12:02 -0000 (UTC), heyjoe <th...@is.invalid>
wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
>> it.
>>
>> An article that appeared in The San Francisco Chronicle:
>>
>> Cane and beet share the same chemistry but act
>> differently in the kitchen
>> Miriam Morgan, Chronicle Assistant Food Editor Wednesday, March
>> 31, 1999
>> San Francisco Chronicle
>
>Not sure how they package things out your way, but if it doesn't
>specifically say "Cane Sugar" on the package - it's probably
>beet sugar. For me, beet sugar smells off, kind of musty or dirty.
>
>If I can't get it past my nose, it's not going in my mouth.
Aww, poor thang!
--
Alphonse de Lamartine
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_de_Lamartine#/media/File:Alphonse_de_Lamartine.PNG>
wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
>> it.
>>
>> An article that appeared in The San Francisco Chronicle:
>>
>> Cane and beet share the same chemistry but act
>> differently in the kitchen
>> Miriam Morgan, Chronicle Assistant Food Editor Wednesday, March
>> 31, 1999
>> San Francisco Chronicle
>
>specifically say "Cane Sugar" on the package - it's probably
>beet sugar. For me, beet sugar smells off, kind of musty or dirty.
>
>If I can't get it past my nose, it's not going in my mouth.
Aww, poor thang!
--
Alphonse de Lamartine
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_de_Lamartine#/media/File:Alphonse_de_Lamartine.PNG>
Michael Trew
May 6, 2022, 4:59:15 PM5/6/22
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On 5/6/2022 0:27, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/5/2022 11:49 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 5/5/2022 21:50, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
>>> it.
>>
>> I've never heard of it.
>>
>>> An article that appeared in The San Francisco Chronicle:
>>>
>>> Cane and beet share the same chemistry but act
>>> differently in the kitchen
>>> Miriam Morgan, Chronicle Assistant Food Editor
>>> Wednesday,`March 31, 1999
>>> San Francisco Chronicle
>>
>> Gonna have to call you "Bruce Bowser" if you keep this up ;)
>
> I have a bunch or old stuff I saved on my hard drive. I was actually
> looking for a recipe for broccoli and cheese soup but could not find it.
> It was really good too.
>
> Going back some years, cane sugar was getting expensive and there were
> tariffs or something that drove the price up so beet sugar was getting
> popular.
>
> We import 1.48 million tons of cane sugar
Why do we import it? It could easily be grown here. I thought that it
> On 5/5/2022 11:49 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 5/5/2022 21:50, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
>>> it.
>>
>> I've never heard of it.
>>
>>> An article that appeared in The San Francisco Chronicle:
>>>
>>> Cane and beet share the same chemistry but act
>>> differently in the kitchen
>>> Miriam Morgan, Chronicle Assistant Food Editor
>>> Wednesday,`March 31, 1999
>>> San Francisco Chronicle
>>
>> Gonna have to call you "Bruce Bowser" if you keep this up ;)
>
> I have a bunch or old stuff I saved on my hard drive. I was actually
> looking for a recipe for broccoli and cheese soup but could not find it.
> It was really good too.
>
> Going back some years, cane sugar was getting expensive and there were
> tariffs or something that drove the price up so beet sugar was getting
> popular.
>
> We import 1.48 million tons of cane sugar
always was.
Alphonse de Lamartine
May 6, 2022, 5:02:21 PM5/6/22
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laws.
Ed Pawlowski
May 6, 2022, 5:14:10 PM5/6/22
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as they have first shot at the US market but we also get from Brazil and
India. Sugar cane supports about 5 million people in India, a very
important crop.
A few years back the sugar beet crop in the US was a disaster from
floods and other weather problems.
Alphonse de Lamartine
May 6, 2022, 5:23:02 PM5/6/22
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GM
May 6, 2022, 6:23:56 PM5/6/22
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when we stopped importing sugar from newly communist Cuba...
--
GM
Ed Pawlowski
May 6, 2022, 7:08:46 PM5/6/22
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On 5/6/2022 6:23 PM, GM wrote:
and HFCS. It ruined soda when they switched to cheaper stuff.
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> Going back some years, cane sugar was getting expensive and there were
>>>> tariffs or something that drove the price up so beet sugar was getting
>>>> popular.
>>>>
>>>> We import 1.48 million tons of cane sugar
>>>
>>> Why do we import it? It could easily be grown here. I thought that it
>>> always was.
>> We simply cannot grow enough to meet demand. We get a lot from Mexico
>> as they have first shot at the US market but we also get from Brazil and
>> India. Sugar cane supports about 5 million people in India, a very
>> important crop.
>>
>> A few years back the sugar beet crop in the US was a disaster from
>> floods and other weather problems.
>
>
> I'm old enuf to remember the sugar shortage in the early 60's in the US,
> when we stopped importing sugar from newly communist Cuba...
>
Oh yes, commie sugar is bitter. I think that gave a boost to beet sugar
>>>> Going back some years, cane sugar was getting expensive and there were
>>>> tariffs or something that drove the price up so beet sugar was getting
>>>> popular.
>>>>
>>>> We import 1.48 million tons of cane sugar
>>>
>>> Why do we import it? It could easily be grown here. I thought that it
>>> always was.
>> We simply cannot grow enough to meet demand. We get a lot from Mexico
>> as they have first shot at the US market but we also get from Brazil and
>> India. Sugar cane supports about 5 million people in India, a very
>> important crop.
>>
>> A few years back the sugar beet crop in the US was a disaster from
>> floods and other weather problems.
>
>
> I'm old enuf to remember the sugar shortage in the early 60's in the US,
> when we stopped importing sugar from newly communist Cuba...
>
and HFCS. It ruined soda when they switched to cheaper stuff.
Hank Rogers
May 6, 2022, 8:54:35 PM5/6/22
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Probably Truman's fault.
It would have never happened if trump was president.
GM
May 6, 2022, 9:01:57 PM5/6/22
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Now he lives "under cover" in comfy exile on Da ROCK...
--
GM
Sheldon Martin
May 6, 2022, 9:12:07 PM5/6/22
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On Fri, 6 May 2022 19:54:21 -0500, Hank Rogers <ha...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
Not with Ike either.
wrote:
Michael Trew
May 7, 2022, 1:24:12 AM5/7/22
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begin with, but on rare occasions, I'll have a good root-beer. Maybe
once per year, I eat at the A&W, where they make root beer in house and
serve it in frosty mugs.
Gary
May 7, 2022, 10:24:05 AM5/7/22
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morning hours was...frosty mug of root and some onion rings.
dsi1
May 8, 2022, 1:24:06 PM5/8/22
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Leonard Blaisdell
May 8, 2022, 7:19:51 PM5/8/22
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On 2022-05-07, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
> Some brands still make a cane sugar version. I don't care for soda to
> begin with, but on rare occasions, I'll have a good root-beer. Maybe
> once per year, I eat at the A&W, where they make root beer in house and
> serve it in frosty mugs.
And, as I found out yesterday, A&W serves cheese curds here. Maybe they
> Some brands still make a cane sugar version. I don't care for soda to
> begin with, but on rare occasions, I'll have a good root-beer. Maybe
> once per year, I eat at the A&W, where they make root beer in house and
> serve it in frosty mugs.
always did. I was getting my usual cheeseburger, onion rings and
root beer float when I noticed it.
I will have them soon. Right now, I'm sawing through four packages of
curds that my SIL gave me, from Wisconsin.
A&W curds appear to be quick, thin batter-fried. Mine are pristine chunks
from the fridge. I love that stuff and get it rarely.
jmcquown
May 8, 2022, 7:54:27 PM5/8/22
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I've seen packages of fresh cheese curds at the grocery store here in SC
but I've never bought them.
Jill
Michael Trew
May 8, 2022, 10:44:34 PM5/8/22
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small, and good, but boy are they greasy. A small order of them, and
I'm set for the next year.
Does your A&W serve homemade root-beer in a frosty mug if you dine-in?
That's how they did it at the real A&W's in Minnesota. I was surprised
that our little A&W did that also when I ate in once (it has a limited
menu and shares a building with Long John Silver's).
bruce bowser
May 9, 2022, 3:20:39 PM5/9/22
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Leonard Blaisdell
May 11, 2022, 7:01:05 PM5/11/22
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On 2022-05-09, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
> Does your A&W serve homemade root-beer in a frosty mug if you dine-in?
> That's how they did it at the real A&W's in Minnesota. I was surprised
> that our little A&W did that also when I ate in once (it has a limited
> menu and shares a building with Long John Silver's).
I haven't had a frosty A&W since the Sixties. OTOH, I haven't been
> Does your A&W serve homemade root-beer in a frosty mug if you dine-in?
> That's how they did it at the real A&W's in Minnesota. I was surprised
> that our little A&W did that also when I ate in once (it has a limited
> menu and shares a building with Long John Silver's).
inside a A&W since the Sixties. Maybe, but I doubt it. I do drink a
half-bottle of their 16.9 oz. root beer on most nights with dinner.
That's got to be good for me :)
Dave Smith
May 11, 2022, 7:15:09 PM5/11/22
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beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
dsi1
May 11, 2022, 7:20:51 PM5/11/22
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Alphonse de Lamartine
May 11, 2022, 7:21:06 PM5/11/22
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Graham
May 11, 2022, 9:11:47 PM5/11/22
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Graham
May 11, 2022, 9:12:32 PM5/11/22
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On 2022-05-11 5:20 p.m., Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-11 7:00 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-09, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does your A&W serve homemade root-beer in a frosty mug if you dine-in?
>>>> That's how they did it at the real A&W's in Minnesota. I was surprised
>>>> that our little A&W did that also when I ate in once (it has a limited
>>>> menu and shares a building with Long John Silver's).
>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't had a frosty A&W since the Sixties. OTOH, I haven't been
>>> inside a A&W since the Sixties. Maybe, but I doubt it. I do drink a
>>> half-bottle of their 16.9 oz. root beer on most nights with dinner.
>>> That's got to be good for me :)
>>
>> I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
>> beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
>
> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
>
I agree! It's vile! Any brand that is!
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-11 7:00 p.m., Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-09, Michael Trew <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does your A&W serve homemade root-beer in a frosty mug if you dine-in?
>>>> That's how they did it at the real A&W's in Minnesota. I was surprised
>>>> that our little A&W did that also when I ate in once (it has a limited
>>>> menu and shares a building with Long John Silver's).
>>>
>>>
>>> I haven't had a frosty A&W since the Sixties. OTOH, I haven't been
>>> inside a A&W since the Sixties. Maybe, but I doubt it. I do drink a
>>> half-bottle of their 16.9 oz. root beer on most nights with dinner.
>>> That's got to be good for me :)
>>
>> I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
>> beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
>
> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
>
Alphonse de Lamartine
May 11, 2022, 9:16:18 PM5/11/22
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lol
Hank Rogers
May 11, 2022, 9:42:47 PM5/11/22
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dutchman's ass.
GM
May 11, 2022, 9:45:32 PM5/11/22
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--
GM
Michael Trew
May 12, 2022, 12:57:40 AM5/12/22
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fresh in the A&W. They still make their root-beer in-store. When you
have it freshly made from the tap, it's far superior to any bottled or
canned product.
> People like A&W because it's smooth and on the sweet side. Smooth& sweet? Awesome!
Gary
May 12, 2022, 11:13:59 AM5/12/22
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On 5/11/2022 7:15 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
> beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
So what is your favorite root beer, Davers?
> I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
> beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
My favorite soda has always been root beer.
One time, I decided to do a blind taste test.
Bought 5-6 brands and did the test all at once, side by side.
I narrowed it down to 2 brands:
- A&W
- Dad's root beer
Dad's Root beer won (barely) but right after, my store discontinued that
brand. what luck.
Gary
May 12, 2022, 11:25:12 AM5/12/22
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On 5/11/2022 7:20 PM, Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
>> beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
>
> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
IMO, beer is beer. All is good. :)
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
>> beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
>
> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
Dave Smith
May 12, 2022, 12:15:50 PM5/12/22
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care for A&W.
Sheldon Martin
May 12, 2022, 12:59:14 PM5/12/22
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creamier and has a stronger root beer flavor.
Dave Smith
May 12, 2022, 1:11:27 PM5/12/22
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bruce bowser
May 12, 2022, 1:34:15 PM5/12/22
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Bryan Simmons
May 12, 2022, 1:35:13 PM5/12/22
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--Bryan
Sheldon Martin
May 12, 2022, 1:54:08 PM5/12/22
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On Thu, 12 May 2022 Dave Smith wrote:
>On 2022-05-12 Gary wrote:
>> On 5/11/2022 Dave Smith wrote:
>>
We use very little white granulated sugar, we prefer dark brown sugar
or honey. Some of our neighbors keep honey bees and supply us with
more honey than we can use. Some of our neighbors tap maple trees and
supply us with maple syrup. In return we give them produce from our
garden. The fellow who maintains our tractor and bales our hay plants
garlic... he's always dropping off way more garlic than we will ever
use. I keep telling him that one head a month is plenty, people here
eat raw garlic like candy. The most garlic I use is for when I make
garlic dill cukes... he's planting over 3,000 heads of garlic... all
his family are garlic fiends.
>On 2022-05-12 Gary wrote:
>> On 5/11/2022 Dave Smith wrote:
>>
We use very little white granulated sugar, we prefer dark brown sugar
or honey. Some of our neighbors keep honey bees and supply us with
more honey than we can use. Some of our neighbors tap maple trees and
supply us with maple syrup. In return we give them produce from our
garden. The fellow who maintains our tractor and bales our hay plants
garlic... he's always dropping off way more garlic than we will ever
use. I keep telling him that one head a month is plenty, people here
eat raw garlic like candy. The most garlic I use is for when I make
garlic dill cukes... he's planting over 3,000 heads of garlic... all
his family are garlic fiends.
Dave Smith
May 12, 2022, 2:31:15 PM5/12/22
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easy and amazingly delicious. Start cooking the pasta Then finely slice
a half dozen cloves of garlic. Put some good olive oil into a pan, add
the garlic and stir it around then heat the pan. Keep stirring and watch
out that it does not burn. When it starts to turn colour add some of the
pasta water and stir it around. Let it reduce to an emulsion and add
the almost cooked pasta. Throw in a good pinch of dried chili flakes and
some chopped parsley. Season with a little sea salt and some freshly
ground pepper and serve with grated Parmesan.
Hank Rogers
May 12, 2022, 2:34:15 PM5/12/22
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garlic.
Or maybe they're just nuts.
Jean Racine
May 12, 2022, 3:00:17 PM5/12/22
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it). Therefore, root beer isn't beer.
Beer is beer
Soft drinks are soft drinks
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Jean Racine
May 12, 2022, 3:00:56 PM5/12/22
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bruce bowser
May 12, 2022, 4:03:06 PM5/12/22
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On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-4, Jean Racine wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
> >> >beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
> >> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
> >> --
> >> Alphonse de Lamartine
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_de_Lamartine#/media/File:Alphonse_de_Lamartine.PNG>
> >
> >is gember bier?
> Ginger beer has no alcohol, so it isn't beer.
Waarom dan schreef je dan voor de tweede keer << beer >>?
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
> >> >beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
> >> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
> >> --
> >> Alphonse de Lamartine
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_de_Lamartine#/media/File:Alphonse_de_Lamartine.PNG>
> >
> >is gember bier?
> Ginger beer has no alcohol, so it isn't beer.
Jean Racine
May 12, 2022, 4:16:47 PM5/12/22
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On Thu, 12 May 2022 13:03:02 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
responsible for that. "Cauliflower rice" isn't rice either.
"Plant-based meat" isn't meat either.
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-4, Jean Racine wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>> >> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
>> >> >beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
>> >> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
>> >> --
>> >> Alphonse de Lamartine
>> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_de_Lamartine#/media/File:Alphonse_de_Lamartine.PNG>
>> >
>> >is gember bier?
>> Ginger beer has no alcohol, so it isn't beer.
>
>Waarom dan schreef je dan voor de tweede keer << beer >>?
Why is it called "ginger beer" when it isn't "beer"? I'm not
>On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:00:56 PM UTC-4, Jean Racine wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>> >> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
>> >> >beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
>> >> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
>> >> --
>> >> Alphonse de Lamartine
>> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_de_Lamartine#/media/File:Alphonse_de_Lamartine.PNG>
>> >
>> >is gember bier?
>> Ginger beer has no alcohol, so it isn't beer.
>
>Waarom dan schreef je dan voor de tweede keer << beer >>?
responsible for that. "Cauliflower rice" isn't rice either.
"Plant-based meat" isn't meat either.
S Viemeister
May 12, 2022, 5:00:59 PM5/12/22
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On 12/05/2022 20:00, Jean Racine wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
>>>> beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
>>> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
>>> --
>>> Alphonse de Lamartine
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_de_Lamartine#/media/File:Alphonse_de_Lamartine.PNG>
>>
>> is gember bier?
>
> Ginger beer has no alcohol, so it isn't beer.
>
Some ginger beer does have alcohol. Ginger ale never does.
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
>>>> beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
>>> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
>>> --
>>> Alphonse de Lamartine
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_de_Lamartine#/media/File:Alphonse_de_Lamartine.PNG>
>>
>> is gember bier?
>
> Ginger beer has no alcohol, so it isn't beer.
>
Dave Smith
May 12, 2022, 5:14:15 PM5/12/22
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once at a brew pub. I questioned what was served to me because it had a
definite ginger taste to it. The waited came by a while later with a
replacement beer and said they found out the lines had been crossed.
Jean Racine
May 12, 2022, 6:30:42 PM5/12/22
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S Viemeister
May 12, 2022, 6:37:17 PM5/12/22
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On 12/05/2022 23:30, Jean Racine wrote:
> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 20:00, Jean Racine wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> On 12/05/2022 20:00, Jean Racine wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>>> <bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:21:06 PM UTC-4, Alphonse de Lamartine wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:15:04 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>> I never understood what people liked about A&W root beer. I like root
>>>>>> beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
>>>>> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
>>>>>> beer, but theirs way down on my list of favourite root beers.
>>>>> Root beer isn't way down on my list of beers. It's not on it.
>>>> is gember bier?
>>>
>>> Ginger beer has no alcohol, so it isn't beer.
>>>
>> Some ginger beer does have alcohol. Ginger ale never does.
>
> I'd try the type that has alcohol.
>
I have. It's rather nice.
>>>
>>> Ginger beer has no alcohol, so it isn't beer.
>>>
>> Some ginger beer does have alcohol. Ginger ale never does.
>
> I'd try the type that has alcohol.
>
Michael Trew
May 13, 2022, 1:59:09 PM5/13/22
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dsi1
May 14, 2022, 12:35:18 AM5/14/22
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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 10:59:15 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/6/2022 0:27, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/5/2022 11:49 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 5/5/2022 21:50, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
> >>> it.
> >>
> >> I've never heard of it.
> >>
> >>> An article that appeared in The San Francisco Chronicle:
> >>>
> >>> Cane and beet share the same chemistry but act
> >>> differently in the kitchen
> >>> Miriam Morgan, Chronicle Assistant Food Editor
> >>> Wednesday,`March 31, 1999
> >>> San Francisco Chronicle
> >>
> >> Gonna have to call you "Bruce Bowser" if you keep this up ;)
> >
> > I have a bunch or old stuff I saved on my hard drive. I was actually
> > looking for a recipe for broccoli and cheese soup but could not find it.
> > It was really good too.
> >
> > Going back some years, cane sugar was getting expensive and there were
> > tariffs or something that drove the price up so beet sugar was getting
> > popular.
> >
> > We import 1.48 million tons of cane sugar
> Why do we import it? It could easily be grown here. I thought that it
> always was.
We used to grow sugar cane on these rocks in the middle of the ocean. Da Hawaiians would grow, harvest, and turn the cane into raw sugar. That would be shipped to the mainland and refined into white sugar and sold as C&H sugar. It should really be H(awaii)&C(alifornia) sugar but the haoles always like put their name first.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Yaa8nzj4sUWPmcFT7
> On 5/6/2022 0:27, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/5/2022 11:49 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 5/5/2022 21:50, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> I've not seen beet sugar but I understand some areas of the country have
> >>> it.
> >>
> >> I've never heard of it.
> >>
> >>> An article that appeared in The San Francisco Chronicle:
> >>>
> >>> Cane and beet share the same chemistry but act
> >>> differently in the kitchen
> >>> Miriam Morgan, Chronicle Assistant Food Editor
> >>> Wednesday,`March 31, 1999
> >>> San Francisco Chronicle
> >>
> >> Gonna have to call you "Bruce Bowser" if you keep this up ;)
> >
> > I have a bunch or old stuff I saved on my hard drive. I was actually
> > looking for a recipe for broccoli and cheese soup but could not find it.
> > It was really good too.
> >
> > Going back some years, cane sugar was getting expensive and there were
> > tariffs or something that drove the price up so beet sugar was getting
> > popular.
> >
> > We import 1.48 million tons of cane sugar
> Why do we import it? It could easily be grown here. I thought that it
> always was.
We used to grow sugar cane on these rocks in the middle of the ocean. Da Hawaiians would grow, harvest, and turn the cane into raw sugar. That would be shipped to the mainland and refined into white sugar and sold as C&H sugar. It should really be H(awaii)&C(alifornia) sugar but the haoles always like put their name first.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Yaa8nzj4sUWPmcFT7
Hank Rogers
May 14, 2022, 12:41:46 AM5/14/22
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GM
May 14, 2022, 1:02:06 AM5/14/22
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Without us whites you'd still be a primitive hunter - gatherer society, and in lieu of nice flush toilets you'd be shitting in the surf...
You'd not even have Spam with which to make your beloved Spam Musubi...
It's not like your poi and lava made any great "contributions" to modern civilization...
"Lol"
Didn't you ever read "Guns, Germs, and Steel"...???
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel
"The prologue opens with an account of Diamond's conversation with Yali, a New Guinean politician. The conversation turned to the obvious differences in power and technology between Yali's people and the Europeans who dominated the land for 200 years, differences that neither of them considered due to any genetic superiority of Europeans. Yali asked, using the local term "cargo" for inventions and manufactured goods, "Why is it that you white people developed so much cargo and brought it to New Guinea, but we black people had little cargo of our own?"
<|>
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May 14, 2022, 1:04:16 AM5/14/22
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dsi1
May 14, 2022, 3:49:43 AM5/14/22
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Ophelia
May 14, 2022, 4:52:18 AM5/14/22
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dsi1
May 14, 2022, 6:45:31 AM5/14/22
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Mike Duffy
May 14, 2022, 8:43:52 AM5/14/22
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On Sat, 14 May 2022 00:49:40 -0700, dsi1 wrote:
> Yes, white man magic plenty strong!
From each according to ability, and to each, according to need. We
> Yes, white man magic plenty strong!
brought your people industrial tech, and you brought us women in grass
skirts.
At the time the white men arrived in Hawaii, I'll bet they thought it was
a pretty even trade.
Gary
May 14, 2022, 9:23:01 AM5/14/22
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Ophelia wrote:
I kinda remember that photo from many years ago here. Isn't one of those
young girls Dsi1's mom, long ago???
I kinda remember that photo from many years ago here. Isn't one of those
young girls Dsi1's mom, long ago???
GM
May 14, 2022, 9:35:48 AM5/14/22
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Also, the "pineapple" as a servile homosexual US Naval servant...
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Cindy Hamilton
May 14, 2022, 9:47:46 AM5/14/22
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Cindy Hamilton
Bryan Simmons
May 14, 2022, 10:25:23 AM5/14/22
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On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 7:43:52 AM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
--Bryan
Mike Duffy
May 14, 2022, 10:26:07 AM5/14/22
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On Sat, 14 May 2022 06:35:44 -0700, GM wrote:
> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 7:43:52 AM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> At the time the white men arrived in Hawaii, I'll bet they thought it
>> was a pretty even trade.
> On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 7:43:52 AM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> At the time the white men arrived in Hawaii, I'll bet they thought it
>> was a pretty even trade.
> Also, the "pineapple" as a servile homosexual US Naval servant...
What's with you & Bryan always turning everything I say into homosexual
longings?
GM
May 14, 2022, 10:45:32 AM5/14/22
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Her drag queen name is "Alphonse", after all...
B-)
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Hank Rogers
May 14, 2022, 12:58:15 PM5/14/22
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GM
May 14, 2022, 1:05:45 PM5/14/22
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It is safe to say that Hawaii never had a Shakespeare, a Tolstoy, a Walt Whitman...
More like, "Me spear big fish, nap under palm tree, eat, shit, and then fuck and beat woman"...
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Bryan Simmons
May 14, 2022, 1:53:17 PM5/14/22
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physically abusive to women.
>
> --
> GM
--Bryan
GM
May 14, 2022, 2:12:14 PM5/14/22
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DV in Hawaii is *endemic*:
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/experts-see-increase-in-domestic-violence-cases-in-hawaii-provide-tips-for-victims-loved-ones/
https://www.disarmdv.org/state/hawaii/
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN HAWAII
34.7% of Hawaii women and 24.1% of Hawaii men experience intimate partner physical violence,
intimate partner sexual violence and/or intimate partner stalking in their lifetimes.
43.5% of Hawaii women have experienced psychological aggression by an intimate partner
in their lifetime.
13.5% of Hawaii women have experienced sexual violence by an intimate partner in
their lifetime.
Native Hawaiians are underrepresented as both victims and perpetrators of intimate
partner homicide compared to their percentage of Hawaii’s population.
In a single day in Hawaii in 2019, 52% of the state’s domestic violence programs served
578 adults and children. 58 requests for help went unmet due to lack of resources.
</>
bruce bowser
May 14, 2022, 2:46:52 PM5/14/22
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Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of domestic violence (Hawai'i isn't on here):
Oklahoma (49.10%)
Iowa (45.30%)
Kentucky (45.30%)
North Carolina (43.90%)
Nevada (43.80%)
Alaska (43.30%)
Arizona (42.60%)
Washington (42.60%)
Idaho (42.50%)
Missouri (41.70%)
-- https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/domestic-violence-by-state
Oklahoma (49.10%)
Iowa (45.30%)
Kentucky (45.30%)
North Carolina (43.90%)
Nevada (43.80%)
Alaska (43.30%)
Arizona (42.60%)
Washington (42.60%)
Idaho (42.50%)
Missouri (41.70%)
-- https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/domestic-violence-by-state
Graham
May 14, 2022, 3:27:22 PM5/14/22
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Dave Smith
May 14, 2022, 4:05:37 PM5/14/22
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graphics are laid out in a something of a geographical orders so you can
look at it side by side with a map of the red and blue states. It should
be noted that he only got part of the information from that site. They
also show the rates for domestic assault against males and against females.
If you want to assume that the MAGA supporters are going to commit more
domestic violence than the Democrats what do you make of a blue state
like Vermont where there are more domestics against males than females?
Does that mean the Democrats are all pussies? Given than the support
for one party or the other is usually within just a few percentage
points of each other, the abuse rates in red states may not be the MAGA
crowd.
GM
May 14, 2022, 4:23:38 PM5/14/22
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of Chicago, and they ALL vote DEMOCRATIC, Graham...
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Jean-Sol Partre
May 14, 2022, 4:29:43 PM5/14/22
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;)
Jean-Sol Partre
May 14, 2022, 4:49:09 PM5/14/22
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Jean-Sol Partre
May 14, 2022, 4:49:54 PM5/14/22
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On Sat, 14 May 2022 11:46:48 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of domestic violence (Hawai'i isn't on here):
>
>Oklahoma (49.10%)
>Iowa (45.30%)
>Kentucky (45.30%)
>North Carolina (43.90%)
>Nevada (43.80%)
>Alaska (43.30%)
>Arizona (42.60%)
>Washington (42.60%)
>Idaho (42.50%)
>Missouri (41.70%)
Joan would say: Hawaii isn't on there because it has a much smaller
<bruce2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Here are the 10 states with the highest rates of domestic violence (Hawai'i isn't on here):
>
>Oklahoma (49.10%)
>Iowa (45.30%)
>Kentucky (45.30%)
>North Carolina (43.90%)
>Nevada (43.80%)
>Alaska (43.30%)
>Arizona (42.60%)
>Washington (42.60%)
>Idaho (42.50%)
>Missouri (41.70%)
population and therefore less domestic violence.
Jean-Sol Partre
May 14, 2022, 4:50:31 PM5/14/22
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dsi1
May 14, 2022, 6:25:50 PM5/14/22
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If some aliens from space came down and claimed that the United States belonged to them and killed off 90% of Americans with strange new diseases, and suppressed our language and culture, and ravaged the land, but gave us 3D television and really tasty, addictive, food that was not very healthy, you'd probably think that was a good deal. That's just plain silly. White people will always believe that the people they displace and suppress are getting an "even trade." So what else is new?
GM
May 14, 2022, 6:51:10 PM5/14/22
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Kinda like we white folk *already* do here with you...
🌈
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