My fave soy sauce: Pearl River Bridge Superior Dark Soy Sauce

[John Kuthe]

https://i.postimg.cc/J7yy0LSm/Pearl-River-Bridge-Superior-Dark-Soy-Sauce.jpg

I fond this when I first moved into my house in 2016, as one small kitchen counter was covered with newspaper and then many bottles of soy sauce, many empty, some not so I moved them all to a new Kitchen Table that Dr Luo had bought for our kitchen and I put a note on them saying "Please put your soy sauce somewhere not on the kitchen counter." and people did, leaving some that stayed a long time.

Of those I tried this one and liked it so I bought more at Seafood City and still do to this day! :-)

John Kuthe...

[dsi1]

I bought a bottle of Pearl River Dark soy sauce over a decade ago. The stuff is so dark that the inside of the glass bottle was stained. It was on a dusty shelf of an old Chinese store and it was dirt cheap. It had a thick consistency and tasted of molasses. I'd get some more but I haven't seen it in the stores nearby. My guess is that I can find it in Chinatown or at the Seafood City in Waipahu. If I do see a bottle, I'll grab that right away! Thanks!

[John Kuthe]

Funny thing is, it's make right here in the USA! And it is YUMMY! :-)

Much better than La Choy anything, which are mostly just salt. :-(

John Kuthe...

[Hank Rogers]

dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 5:31:21 AM UTC-10, johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> https://i.postimg.cc/J7yy0LSm/Pearl-River-Bridge-Superior-Dark-Soy-Sauce.jpg
>>
>> I fond this when I first moved into my house in 2016, as one small kitchen counter was covered with newspaper and then many bottles of soy sauce, many empty, some not so I moved them all to a new Kitchen Table that Dr Luo had bought for our kitchen and I put a note on them saying "Please put your soy sauce somewhere not on the kitchen counter." and people did, leaving some that stayed a long time.
>>
>> Of those I tried this one and liked it so I bought more at Seafood City and still do to this day! :-)
>>
>> John Kuthe...

> I bought a bottle of Pearl River Dark soy sauce over a decade ago. The stuff is so dark that the inside of the glass bottle was stained.
>

That wasn't soy sauce in the bottle man!

If yoose gonna eat it, at least wash yoose hands.

[dsi1]

I did not know that it was made in the US. Wherever it's made, they need a better distribution channel.

[Bruce]

Or even better, no distribution channel at all:
"Water, Salt, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Corn Syrup, Caramel Color,
Potassium Sorbate (Preservative)."

[dsi1]

This is the reason I avoid reading labels. The dark soy sauce works great in cooking. Mostly, knowing the ingredients of things will mess with your mind and taste buds. OCD right? I'm assuming that's the case.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 16:13:06 -0800 (PST), dsi1

I can read labels, but I'm no soy sauce expert. This Korean chef is:

"Chef Sohui Kim (and every other chef I spoke with) emphasizes that
you should always look at the ingredient list before buying any soy
sauce: "I grew up eating a lot of Korean food, so I grew up with the
real stuff, but if something is made with a commercially produced,
non-brewed soy sauce, you can tell the difference." Soy sauces that
aren't brewed or naturally fermented often contain added sweeteners,
artificial colors, and flavors as well as preservatives to keep them
shelf stable. The resulting product tastes quite different from the
real thing; Kim describes these as having an "aftertaste that is
bitter and not very smooth," or is "sometimes too sweet.""

<https://www.epicurious.com/expert-advice/best-soy-sauce-chefs-pick-article>

[dsi1]

I don't believe in experts. I believe in myself.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 16:25:32 -0800 (PST), dsi1

And with those words, we can lay this discussion to rest :)

[dsi1]

Your expert ain't telling me anything that I didn't already know. I don't have any problem with preservatives or added sweeteners. The only thing I care about is what a sauce tastes like. I am an expert on my own taste. Anybody that relies on the tastes of others can never be a great cook. They can, however, be a successful cook. :)

[Bruce]

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 17:29:04 -0800 (PST), dsi1

If the best tasting soy sauce was made with dog turds, I'd avoid it.

[dsi1]

On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 3:36:33 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> If the best tasting soy sauce was made with dog turds, I'd avoid it.

You ain't telling me anything I didn't already know. Of course, you already know that.

[Bruce]

Yes, you knew, I knew. But that's alright. Let's have the soy sauce
discussion again in a year or so.

[Alex]

Is that a wire coming out of your wall above the door?

[John Kuthe]

Yep! I USED to have speakers out there in my Screen Room, but now I have them Under The Deck!

John Kuthe...

[GM]

Doesn't they get "wet" under The Deck, John...???

--
Best
Greg

[John Kuthe]

On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 9:35:27 PM UTC-6, GM wrote:
...

> > John Kuthe...
> Doesn't they get "wet" under The Deck, John...???
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

They are OUTDOOR SPEAKERS! JBL and Klipsch!


John Kuthe...

[GM]

With *paper* cones I bet, huh...???

--
Best
Greg

[dsi1]

How about one of us brings it up, and the other one refuses to get sucked into the discussion. That sounds like a plan to me.

[Alex]

That's the best you could do?  At least they are low voltage but the
installation is horrible.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:48:31 -0800 (PST), dsi1

<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 4:23:14 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 18:07:47 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 3:36:33 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> If the best tasting soy sauce was made with dog turds, I'd avoid it.
>> >You ain't telling me anything I didn't already know. Of course, you already know that.
>> Yes, you knew, I knew. But that's alright. Let's have the soy sauce
>> discussion again in a year or so.

>How about one of us brings it up, and the other one refuses to get sucked into the discussion. That sounds like a plan to me.

lol, ok

[Leo]

On 2020 Dec 12, , dsi1 wrote
(in article<de3f27a1-fa08-4a37...@googlegroups.com>):

> I don't believe in experts. I believe in myself.

That´s a good thing.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 23:52:29 -0800, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

I guess you don't believe in doctors.

[dsi1]

On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 5:31:21 AM UTC-10, johnk...@gmail.com wrote:

I made some kim chee fried rice this morning. It was made with Portuguese sausage, onions, bacon, and some kim chee that's been in the refrigerator for quite a while. The kim chee had turned quite sour and my wife said it was great because it was the perfect combination of sour, garlicky-spicy, and umami.

That would pretty much be my signature cooking style - dishes packed with umami. The salt used was Korean seasoned salt. It's a secret Korean weapon that every cook should have if they want to make their life an umami-rich one. You can use it for cooking but you can use it as a finishing salt as well. Use it wherever you'd use salt. I wouldn't be able to use the Pearl River Dark soy sauce as it would change the color of the dish drastically. Instead, I used light Japanese shoyu.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/JZeo3h5i8xeKLWZHA

[dsi1]

Yes, there are some people that understand the concept. Others, will never get it.

[Bruce]

You 2 are talking about completely different things and you're both
blissfully unaware :)

[Bruce]

I don't know if it's the operation leftovers, but I've seen more
enticing food pictures by you.

[Leo]

On 2020 Dec 13, , Bruce wrote
(in article<8ajbtfpndjuf2urp1...@4ax.com>):

> I guess you don't believe in doctors.

I believe in provable science. Everything else is best-guess. Is your life
defined by sweeping generalizations, what you heard on the news and notions?
You should fix that.

[dsi1]

It's a dish that the Koreans and the Hawaiians love. You can't please everyone. The Koreans make their kim chee fried rice really spicy and sour. It's pretty intense! My fried rice is Hawaiian style - lighter and sweeter. Korean kim chee fried rice is a deep reddish color. The Hawaiian version is not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chmevSdKFmc

[dsi1]

Most folks like to ease into their scenarios with a growing intensity. Bruce goes straight for the gold with his ridiculous statements. This is probably is a good indication of how his mind works. It's not a very practical way to view the way our existence works.
Congratulations - you've been sucked into the Bruce zone!

[Bruce]

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 00:54:24 -0800, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 2020 Dec 13, , Bruce wrote
>(in article<8ajbtfpndjuf2urp1...@4ax.com>):
>
>> I guess you don't believe in doctors.
>
>I believe in provable science. Everything else is best-guess.

That makes you a smarter man than your Führer.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 01:28:40 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 10:54:33 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
>> On 2020 Dec 13, , Bruce wrote
>> (in article<8ajbtfpndjuf2urp1...@4ax.com>):
>> > I guess you don't believe in doctors.
>> I believe in provable science. Everything else is best-guess. Is your life
>> defined by sweeping generalizations, what you heard on the news and notions?
>> You should fix that.
>
>Most folks like to ease into their scenarios with a growing intensity. Bruce
>goes straight for the gold with his ridiculous statements.
>

Is this still about soy sauce?

>
>This is probably is a good indication of how his mind works. It's not a very
>practical way to view the way our existence works.
>

Now you're rambling. Have you been smoking the Hawaiian hashish pipe?

>
>Congratulations - you've been sucked into the Bruce zone!
>

¿Que?
>

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 8:29:09 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:

> > >I don't believe in experts. I believe in myself.
> > And with those words, we can lay this discussion to rest :)
> Your expert ain't telling me anything that I didn't already know. I don't have any problem with preservatives or added sweeteners. The only thing I care about is what a sauce tastes like. I am an expert on my own taste. Anybody that relies on the tastes of others can never be a great cook. They can, however, be a successful cook. :)

David, nobody is asking you to "rely" on the tastes of others. We're talking about
taking information from others and making your own decisions. (Except Bruce, perhaps.)

Unless you've invented everything you eat without reference to anything anybody
has ever cooked before, you are taking the opinions of experts.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> If the best tasting soy sauce was made with dog turds, I'd avoid it.

Why? I made some good tasting nachos once using fresh dog turds.

My girlfriend at the time loved them until I told her the secret
ingredient. I don't think she's coming back.

[Gary]

Leo wrote:

> Bruce wrote:
>> I guess you don't believe in doctors.
>
> I believe in provable science. Everything else is best-guess. Is your life
> defined by sweeping generalizations, what you heard on the news and notions?
> You should fix that.
>
>

Many of us here have lived longer than Bruce. Let's wait and see if he's
able to live so long with his culinary fears and restricted eating.

[cshenk]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 5:31:21 AM UTC-10,
> johnk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > https://i.postimg.cc/J7yy0LSm/Pearl-River-Bridge-Superior-Dark-Soy-S
> > auce.jpg
> >
> > I fond this when I first moved into my house in 2016, as one small
> > kitchen counter was covered with newspaper and then many bottles of
> > soy sauce, many empty, some not so I moved them all to a new
> > Kitchen Table that Dr Luo had bought for our kitchen and I put a
> > note on them saying "Please put your soy sauce somewhere not on the
> > kitchen counter." and people did, leaving some that stayed a long
> > time.
> >
> > Of those I tried this one and liked it so I bought more at Seafood
> > City and still do to this day! :-)
> >
> > John Kuthe...

> I bought a bottle of Pearl River Dark soy sauce over a decade ago.
> The stuff is so dark that the inside of the glass bottle was stained.
> It was on a dusty shelf of an old Chinese store and it was dirt
> cheap. It had a thick consistency and tasted of molasses. I'd get
> some more but I haven't seen it in the stores nearby. My guess is
> that I can find it in Chinatown or at the Seafood City in Waipahu. If
> I do see a bottle, I'll grab that right away! Thanks!

It's good stuff. My go-to soy is Datu Puti but we have some others for
variation and Pearl River dark is one of them.

[Bryan Simmons]

If you want to be permanently rid of a person, tell them you've slipped
disgusting things into food you've fed them. They'll either leave and
never come back, or they'll kill you. Either way, it's a relationship ender.

--Bryan

[John Kuthe]

On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 8:28:12 AM UTC-6, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
...

> If you want to be permanently rid of a person, tell them you've slipped
> disgusting things into food you've fed them. They'll either leave and
> never come back, or they'll kill you. Either way, it's a relationship ender.
>
> --Bryan

Oh, it's easier than that! In early 2017 when I was planning to buy this house there was a woman living here - possibly THE most disagreeable woman ever - and I simply told her that she would not be happy living here once I bought the house. And she left of her own accord. She DID leave us a nice plastic in-the-microwave plate cover though! :-)

Former housemate booty I call it!


John Kuthe...

[Ed Pawlowski]

I follow celebrities. If it is good for the Kardashians, it is good for
me.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Which soy sauce do they use? Have they marketed their own name-brand soy?

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 08:51:06 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> If the best tasting soy sauce was made with dog turds, I'd avoid it.
>
>Why? I made some good tasting nachos once using fresh dog turds.

I once knew a kid who ate a dog turd. He got strange zits all over his
face. Other than that he was ok. So dsi1 can continue consuming
Hawaiian soy sauce.

[Bruce]

You make it too complicated. Take soy sauce again. There are 2 types:
the naturally brewed type and the chemically created type with
carcinogenics, preservatives, colorants and artificial flavours. They
stand next to each other in the supermarket. The price difference is
small. Why would you choose the second type?

[Bryan Simmons]

Bruce, hydrolyzed soy sauce is not carcinogenic. The colorant is
caramel color https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caramel_color#Toxicology
Some might have poassium sorbate in tiny quantities. I prefer
wheat-free tamaris, but that's a flavor thing. The only thing wrong with
this is that it doesn't taste very good.
https://www.amazon.com/Choy-Soy-Sauce-15-Ounce/dp/B000VDT2RI

--Bryan

[Cindy Hamilton]

I think he's talking about the sodium benzoate as a carcinogen. Aloha
uses sodium benzoate as a preservative.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

Yes, when they tested a bunch of chemical soy sauces, a lot had higher
levels than allowed. Now, if there were no alternatives, one might
shrug that off and use it anyway. But there are easily available
alternatives, as you know and use.

[dsi1]

Unless there's something seriously wrong, soy sauce is not carcinogenic. That's simply crazy talk. Last night I made shoyu chicken. I like to make shoyu chicken with Japanese shoyu but all I had was a big bottle of Chinese soy sauce. Chinese soy sauce has a deeper, darker, flavor but what the heck, I used it anyway. It was pretty darn good chicken.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/FDVGuRCaL88VRg4h7

[Bruce]

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:23:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 9:28:05 AM UTC-10, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 1:14:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> > On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 08:51:40 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Many of us here have lived longer than Bruce. Let's wait and see if he's
>> > >able to live so long with his culinary fears and restricted eating.
>> > You make it too complicated. Take soy sauce again. There are 2 types:
>> > the naturally brewed type and the chemically created type with
>> > carcinogenics, preservatives, colorants and artificial flavours. They
>> > stand next to each other in the supermarket. The price difference is
>> > small. Why would you choose the second type?
>> Bruce, hydrolyzed soy sauce is not carcinogenic. The colorant is
>> caramel color https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caramel_color#Toxicology
>> Some might have poassium sorbate in tiny quantities. I prefer
>> wheat-free tamaris, but that's a flavor thing. The only thing wrong with
>> this is that it doesn't taste very good.
>> https://www.amazon.com/Choy-Soy-Sauce-15-Ounce/dp/B000VDT2RI
>>
>> --Bryan
>Unless there's something seriously wrong, soy sauce is not carcinogenic. That's simply crazy talk.

Real soy sauce isn't. Bad soy sauce can be. Take Aloha soy sauce, for
instance. Brrr :)

[dsi1]

You like to divide the world into a series of ones and zeros. Good or bad. Safe or unsafe. Most people's brain operates like a quantum computer - things in the world can be in several states simultaneously. Most people's brains are crazy awesome!

https://www.analyticsinsight.net/china-claims-breakthrough-in-quantum-computing-race/

[Sheldon Martin]

On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 Bruce wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>On Sunday, December 13, 2020 bryang wrote:

>>> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 Bruce wrote:
>
>>> > You make it too complicated. Take soy sauce again. There are 2 types:
>>> > the naturally brewed type and the chemically created type with
>>> > carcinogenics, preservatives, colorants and artificial flavours. They
>>> > stand next to each other in the supermarket. The price difference is
>>> > small. Why would you choose the second type?
>>> Bruce, hydrolyzed soy sauce is not carcinogenic. The colorant is
>>> caramel color https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caramel_color#Toxicology
>>> Some might have poassium sorbate in tiny quantities. I prefer
>>> wheat-free tamaris, but that's a flavor thing. The only thing wrong with
>>> this is that it doesn't taste very good.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Choy-Soy-Sauce-15-Ounce/dp/B000VDT2RI
>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>
>>I think he's talking about the sodium benzoate as a carcinogen. Aloha
>>uses sodium benzoate as a preservative.
>
>Yes, when they tested a bunch of chemical soy sauces, a lot had higher
>levels than allowed. Now, if there were no alternatives, one might
>shrug that off and use it anyway. But there are easily available
>alternatives, as you know and use.

For more years than I care to remember I've used Kikkoman; Tradionally
Brewed. Ingredients: Water, Wheat, Soybeans, Salt, Sodium Benzoat:
less than 1/10 of 1% as a preservative. I use the regular one, not
the low salt one. I tried the soy sauce in cruets on Chinese
restaurant tables, to me it's exactly the same as the piss water
that's in those plastic take out packets that i toss in the trash.
I've tried some pricey imported ones sold at Oriental markets in NYC's
China Town, tastes awful. As far as soy sauce goes to me Kikkoman is
by far the best. The bottle label I have says over 300 years of
Excellence. I buy it from BJs in 1 quart bottles and refill my 15
ounce Kikkoman bottle... says to keep it refrigerated. My 15 oz
bottle lives in my kitchen fridge, the 1 qt bottle lives in my
basement fridge. I'm really not interested in hearing about yoose
so-called authentic soy sauces... I'm not interested in slurping
Phillipino/Ukelele piss water.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:23:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Looks like a pile of shit covered in Brown Enamel Rustoleum... WTF
can't yoose maggots take a pic of food sliced and plated. Leave it to
a dumb Ukelele.

[Hank Rogers]

Pour me a glass or two of that crystal palace Popeye!

[GM]

> a dumb Ukelele.c...



Yikes! That is one repellant and FUGLI pic...looks like a medical textbook illustration of an impacted stool...

Lol...

--
Best
Greg

[GM]

After oogling THAT dizgusting pic, I'm going to pour me a massive tumbler of vin rosé...maybe later a snort of ipecac...

<chuckle>

--
Best
Greg

[Bruce]

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 13:19:56 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Just buy a good soy sauce. Same supermarket, same price almost.
Problem solved. Hawaiian patriots will cry a little, but that's a
small price to pay. Man up, I'd say :)

[dsi1]

What's kind of dumb and weird is saying the same thing over and over year after year. I'll give you a pass because you've suffered from some kind of brain damage.

[dsi1]

The Hawaiians love Kikkoman, Yamasa, and Aloha shoyu. What the heck do you have to do with this? I don't tell you what kind of Vegimite crap you should be shoving down your pie hole. That would be because what you eat is not a concern of mine. I like to mind my own business.

[Hank Rogers]

My guess is in the future, yoose will keep saying the same thing
... whining that OTHERS are saying the same thing.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:20:42 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Ah, you've misunderstood. You should eat anything you want. Healthy,
unhealthy, good or crap. Your call. Enjoy!
>

[dsi1]

Sorry pal, I'm not a whiny crybaby like you.

[GM]

Ruh - roh...!!! Next thing you'll be saying that Hank is playing "mind games" with you...

--
Best
Greg

[dsi1]

There's no mind games with that guy. Mind games are the domain of manipulators such as yourself. People like you are not to be trusted and I'll always protect my kids from creeps like you.

[GM]

Hey, that would make a GREAT sig line...!!!

:-D

--
Best
Greg

dsi1 said about me on rec.food.cooking:
"Mind games are the domain of manipulators such as yourself. People like you are not to be trusted and I'll always protect my kids from creeps like you..."

[Hank Rogers]

Looks good, but can you make it have denser print?

[GM]

Sorry, no can do...

:-(

--
Best
Greg

[dsi1]

Oh yeah, I got your number, pal.
I'd use that as a sig line but this ain't the 1990's...

[Leo]

On 2020 Dec 14, , dsi1 wrote
(in article<b4b52786-6d07-49c8...@googlegroups.com>):

> The Hawaiians love Kikkoman, Yamasa, and Aloha shoyu. What the heck do you
> have to do with this? I don't tell you what kind of Vegimite crap you should
> be shoving down your pie hole. That would be because what you eat is not a
> concern of mine. I like to mind my own business.

I have a jar of Vegemite and a jar of Marmite, unopened and at least ten
years old. I bought them on a whim once. I thought I´d have some friends
over for a party. I forgot that I was too old to want to bother with a party.

[dsi1]

My Swedish step-mom gave me some Kalles Kaviar. It's salted cod roe in a tube. That's some scary stuff! OTOH, it's pretty tasty too. It's awesome rich in umami. My guess is that Vegemite is similar. My son loves the stuff. I think the whole of Sweden loves that stuff. I believe you have an IKEA in your land - you should pick up a tube. Ha ha, just kidding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMyfZydK-4s

[Gary]

On 12/15/2020 6:56 PM, Leo wrote:
> I have a jar of Vegemite and a jar of Marmite, unopened and at least ten
> years old. I bought them on a whim once. I thought I´d have some friends
> over for a party. I forgot that I was too old to want to bother with a party.

LOL I don't have the patience for long parties anymore. I'll go to one
as a guest where I can leave when I want but not host my own.