OT: I've got good news and bad news.

[Pennyaline]

The bad news: Monkey's Davy Jones dies of heart attack in Florida. The
good news: Happened on February 29th, and we'll only be hit with "Monkey
Davy Jones died on this date" once every four years instead of annually.

[Jeßus]

Good point about the leap year... although it's March 1st here.

[Bryan]

On Feb 29, 1:37 pm, Pennyaline <norwegianb...@beatifulplummage.innit>
wrote:

> The bad news: Monkey's Davy Jones dies of heart attack in Florida. The
> good news: Happened on February 29th, and we'll only be hit with "Monkey
> Davy Jones died on this date" once every four years instead of annually.

If you were really a Monkees fan, you'd know how to spell Monkees.

--Bryan

[Paul M. Cook]

"Bryan" <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:befbb17b-a721-4dff...@b1g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

Aren't we all just monkeys?

Paul

[Bryan]

On Feb 29, 2:04 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> "Bryan" <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote in message

No. We are not. We are apes. Apes are not monkeys. People who call
chimpanzees, "monkeys," should have table salt thrown in their eyes.
In most cases, it'd only need to happen once.
>
> Paul

--Bryan

[Paul M. Cook]

"Bryan" <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:56a4546b-cfd6-4669...@f4g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

Any real monkey would never throw salt.

Paul

[George M. Middius]

Paul M. Cook wrote:

> People who call
>chimpanzees, "monkeys," should have table salt thrown in their eyes.
>In most cases, it'd only need to happen once.
>
>Any real monkey would never throw salt.

Exactly right. Real monkeys throw real poop.

[Paul M. Cook]

"George M. Middius" <glan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:o54tk7dao4gv1b028...@4ax.com...

So do some RFCrs.

Paul

[Bryan]

On Feb 29, 3:07 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
> "George M. Middius" <glanb...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:o54tk7dao4gv1b028...@4ax.com...

>
> > Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> >> People who call
> >>chimpanzees, "monkeys," should have table salt thrown in their eyes.
> >>In most cases, it'd only need to happen once.
>
> >>Any real monkey would never throw salt.
>
> > Exactly right. Real monkeys throw real poop.
>
> So do some RFCrs.

It is most often apes, not monkeys, that throw poop, but some people
are too ignorant to know the difference.
>
> Paul

--Bryan

[Dave Smith]

LOL... that they do. I looked after a monkey for a couple years. I had a
part time job during my university years, animal caretaker in the Psych
lab. The professor I worked for had a monkey that was housed there. He
was a nasty creature. He always seemed to be choking his chicken when I
went in to feed him. Maybe he was pissed off at me for disturbing his
sex life and that is way he used to try to throw shit at me. During the
time I worked there I developed a great dislike for monkeys.

[Pennyaline]

Don't shoot the messenger.

I can tell by the rest of the thread that you are not a fan, so, moving
on...

Rest in peace, Davy.

[Gary]

"We're all bozos on this bus"

[John Kuthe]

And of course Bryan knows this with all certainty, due to his
extensive and expansive experience and reseach on both monleys and
apes, and their defacation hurling tendencies!!

John Kuthe...

[Bryan]

Who would hire a nurse who was such a sloppy writer? Another
paragraph with three words misspelled. You're gonna have to fry a lot
of donuts to pay for that fancy schoolin'.
>
> John Kuthe...

--Bryan

[Dave Smith]

On 29/02/2012 4:41 PM, Pennyaline wrote:
avy Jones died on this date" once every four years instead of annually.
>>
>> If you were really a Monkees fan, you'd know how to spell Monkees.
>
>
> Don't shoot the messenger.
>
> I can tell by the rest of the thread that you are not a fan, so, moving
> on...
>
> Rest in peace, Davy.

I think that the Monkees were one band that anyone who was once a fan of
is now embarrassed to admit it.

[Gary]

Not me. The tv show was stupid but I loved the music, at least in the
beginning. I've got one lp of them...the first one I think. I really enjoy
listening to it occasionally (and many other old albums).

Gary

[Brooklyn1]

My sister (9 years younger) loved the Monkeys, but then at that time
young girls had a thing for Faigelahs. She loved the Beetles too,
blech!

[Dave Smith]

On 29/02/2012 7:32 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
Rest in peace, Davy.
>>
>> I think that the Monkees were one band that anyone who was once a fan of
>> is now embarrassed to admit it.
>
> My sister (9 years younger) loved the Monkeys, but then at that time
> young girls had a thing for Faigelahs. She loved the Beetles too,
> blech!

If you didn't like the Beatles you wouldn't like the Monkees. The latter
were just a boy band put together to make an Americanized version of the
Beatles.

[I'm back on the laptop]

Pennyaline <norweg...@beatifulplummage.innit> wrote in news:4f4e7e7a$0
$73605$815e...@news.qwest.net:

> The bad news: Monkey's Davy Jones dies of heart attack in Florida. The
> good news: Happened on February 29th, and we'll only be hit with "Monkey
> Davy Jones died on this date" once every four years instead of annually.

Was he the little one?



--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

[dsi1]

Oh God! Not Davy! It shudda been Peter or that funny-looking drummer
guy. OTOH, at least it wasn't Mike... :-)

[Nunya Bidnits]

Wow. Is he still dead?

[Nunya Bidnits]

Paul M. Cook <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:

> People who call
> chimpanzees, "monkeys," should have table salt thrown in their eyes.

Amazing.

[Nunya Bidnits]

Maybe he was pissed off at you for keeping him in a cage with nothing to do
but spank his monkey all day.

;-)

[A Moose in Love]

i wouldn't let a monkey (especially a chimp) within a mile of me.
that's why i don't go on safari any longer. a woman in the US had a
face transplant. her friends chimp attacked her, ripped her face to
shreds, tore her hands apart etc. the face transplant worked, but the
transplanting of hands didn't take.
a barrel of monkeys? no thanks.

[A Moose in Love]

you're not a beatles fan? welcome to the club. i never saw the
attraction.

[John Kuthe]

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 15:01:09 -0800 (PST), Bryan
<bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
...

>Who would hire a nurse who was such a sloppy writer? Another
>paragraph with three words misspelled. You're gonna have to fry a lot
>of donuts to pay for that fancy schoolin'.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>--Bryan

Again, spelling flames are the lowest form of flamage on the Internet,
JANITOR!

John Kuthe...

[Cheryl]

On 2/29/2012 2:37 PM, Pennyaline wrote:
> The bad news: Monkey's Davy Jones dies of heart attack in Florida. The
> good news: Happened on February 29th, and we'll only be hit with "Monkey

> Davy Jones died on this date" once every four years instead of annually.

Wow, what an oldie. Now I want to see how it ends. I forgot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRNFus7Pbp4&feature=related

[Bryan]

The Beatles decision to quit playing live shows opened up a lot of
opportunities for a lot of folks. I begrudgingly respect The Beatles,
but the greatest band was the Rolling Stones. The Monkees was a TV
show; a contrived band that had a few great songs. I love Mickey's
vocals. I love "Bubblegum." The song, "Sugar, Sugar," expresses my
deepest feelings, and The Archies were as artificial as it gets. Eric
Carmen, Bread, some of The Hollies stuff...then there were darker
things that were like bubblegum that had been chewed past its
sweetness until the jaw ached, like early Traffic, Zombies, and I'd
put a few Cream songs into that category as well. Somehow, after
thinking about all this, I have to give a nod to "Reelin' in the
Years," and Steely Dan's, "Can't Buy a Thrill" album.

--Bryan

[Paul M. Cook]

"Nunya Bidnits" <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
news:jimjs6$r44$1...@dont-email.me...

Really, they would use sea salt.

Paul

[Mark Farouk]

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:37:29 -0700, Pennyaline

<norweg...@beatifulplummage.innit> wrote:

>The bad news: Monkey's Davy Jones dies of heart attack in Florida. The
>good news: Happened on February 29th, and we'll only be hit with "Monkey
>Davy Jones died on this date" once every four years instead of annually.

Sad. I really enjoyed them when I was a young boy, both their music
and TV show.

Somehow as I type these words, I feel real old...

Mark

[I'm back on the laptop]

Pennyaline <norweg...@beatifulplummage.innit> wrote in news:4f4e7e7a$0
$73605$815e...@news.qwest.net:

> The bad news: Monkey's Davy Jones dies of heart attack in Florida. The
> good news: Happened on February 29th, and we'll only be hit with "Monkey
> Davy Jones died on this date" once every four years instead of annually.
>

Just followed this up on our news website, and found this story on
him.........


http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/ill-never-forget-the-day-i-got-sent-to-
davy-jones/




--
Peter
Tasmania
Australia

[Jeßus]

The rigamortis says yes.

[Paul M. Cook]

Flamage is not a word! And there are worse crimes.


"John Kuthe" <John...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:saltk758vbvm66sor...@4ax.com...

[Krypsis]

You'll have to forgive John. His imagination is quite fertile and he is
quite prone to dreaming up things. His 3 degrees are prime examples of
figments of his rather fertile imagination.

--

Krypsis

[George M. Middius]

Paul M. Cook wrote:

>Flamage is not a word! And there are worse crimes.

>> Again, spelling flames are the lowest form of flamage on the Internet,
>> JANITOR!

I agree -- top-posting among them.

[Bryan]

On Feb 29, 7:37 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-

It's not like I wrote that they should be forcibly sterilized (though
that would improve the gene pool). They just need something to get
their attention. Oh, and while they're in learning mode anyway, they
could learn the difference between lectern and podium, and that
there's no "x" in especially.

--Bryan

[John Kuthe]

ZING!!! :-)

And English is a living language. New words are being invented all the
time. "Flamage" has been around for a long time on the Internet.

John Kuthe...

[George M. Middius]

Bryan wrote:

>> > People who call
>> > chimpanzees, "monkeys," should have table salt thrown in their eyes.
>>
>> Amazing.
>
>It's not like I wrote that they should be forcibly sterilized (though
>that would improve the gene pool). They just need something to get
>their attention. Oh, and while they're in learning mode anyway, they
>could learn the difference between lectern and podium,

Go onnnnnnnn....

[George M. Middius]

John Kuthe wrote:

>>>Flamage is not a word! And there are worse crimes.
>>
>>>> Again, spelling flames are the lowest form of flamage on the Internet,
>>>> JANITOR!
>>
>>I agree -- top-posting among them.
>>
>
>ZING!!! :-)
>
>And English is a living language. New words are being invented all the
>time. "Flamage" has been around for a long time on the Internet.

Grammer kops are distinguished by having their sticks professionally
installed. (The sticks that go up their butts, that is.)

Now, since somebody else got didactic about the hairs of difference
that separate synonyms, Mr. Cook can ask about the difference between
prescriptive and descriptive vocabularies.

[Bryan]

Yeah, maybe you're right. That one might be too difficult for some of
them.

--Bryan

[Bryan]

On Feb 29, 9:06 pm, Mark Farouk <m...@me.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:37:29 -0700, Pennyaline
>

> <norwegianb...@beatifulplummage.innit> wrote:
> >The bad news: Monkey's Davy Jones dies of heart attack in Florida. The
> >good news: Happened on February 29th, and we'll only be hit with "Monkey
> >Davy Jones died on this date" once every four years instead of annually.
>
> Sad. I really enjoyed them when I was a young boy, both their music
> and TV show.
>
> Somehow as I type these words, I feel real old...

We re-watched all the old episodes 5 years ago, when my son was in
kindergarten. Good stuff.
>
> Mark

--Bryan

[Bryan]

You say, "Didactic," like that's a bad thing. I like knowing stuff,
and continually becoming more correct.

--Bryan

[Krypsis]

That's the advantage of having kids or grandkids, you can watch the old
stuff with them and not feel embarrassed.

--

Krypsis

[Paul M. Cook]

"George M. Middius" <glan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2h1vk75ntbhhigu2n...@4ax.com...

Polydactylae?

Paul-ydactyl

[Will]

oh wow thanks for finding that cum catcher. we may never have found
out about it! You pointless imbecile.

[Bryan]

On Feb 29, 1:37 pm, Pennyaline <norwegianb...@beatifulplummage.innit>
wrote:

> The bad news: Monkey's Davy Jones dies of heart attack in Florida. The
> good news: Happened on February 29th, and we'll only be hit with "Monkey
> Davy Jones died on this date" once every four years instead of annually.

Then there's the really good news. That son of a piece of dog shit,
Andrew Breitbart, is dead too.

--Bryan

[Gary]

I don't know who Andrew Breitbart is, Bryan, and I don't care. But have some
respect there dude. He's dead and that's sad for someone. Too bad you
won't be around to read what people write about YOU when your 'time' comes.
Especially what John Kuthe writes. ;)

Gary

[George M. Middius]

Gary wrote:

>> Then there's the really good news. That son of a piece of dog shit,
>> Andrew Breitbart, is dead too.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
>I don't know who Andrew Breitbart is, Bryan, and I don't care. But have some
>respect there dude. He's dead and that's sad for someone. Too bad you
>won't be around to read what people write about YOU when your 'time' comes.

Did you hear what Rush Bimbo said the other day? A woman testified in
the House about a law requiring insurers to pay for contraceptives,
and Fatso called her a "whore".

As a point of reference, Rushie is not as loony as Breitbart was.

[John Kuthe]

On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:31:08 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
...

>
>I don't know who Andrew Breitbart is, Bryan, and I don't care. But have some
>respect there dude. He's dead and that's sad for someone. Too bad you
>won't be around to read what people write about YOU when your 'time' comes.
>Especially what John Kuthe writes. ;)
>
>Gary

I'mnot gonna write anything when Bryan dies. Except maybe "Bryan
died".

John Kuthe...

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:56:51 -0500, George M. Middius
<glan...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Did you hear what Rush Bimbo said the other day? A woman testified in
>the House about a law requiring insurers to pay for contraceptives,
>and Fatso called her a "whore".
>
>As a point of reference, Rushie is not as loony as Breitbart was.
>

I think Rush is going to explode one of these days and alienate his
fan base. . I realize he is a caricature of himself, but he went a
bit too far on this girl, IMO. He just made himself look immature and
uneducated. Most of us outgrew name calling by fifth grade.

[Goomba]

On 3/2/12 6:56 PM, George M. Middius wrote:

> Did you hear what Rush Bimbo said the other day? A woman testified in
> the House about a law requiring insurers to pay for contraceptives,
> and Fatso called her a "whore".
>
> As a point of reference, Rushie is not as loony as Breitbart was.

Having heard the woman's statement...her statements were ridiculous and
I think she's nuts. She certainly should be able to find birth control
available for less than the $1,000.00/year she claims it costs and is
ruining her life while studying law at Georgetown. I bet she could go
down to planned parenthood or the health department and get some for a
less than $1,000.00/year, eh?

[Jim Elbrecht]

On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:44:52 -0500, Goomba <goom...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I don't know-- but if Rush had made his case like you just did he
wouldn't have set the argument back 30 years. Liberals love it when
Rush gets press. He even made Santorum a little nervous on this
one. David Frum thanked Rush for changing the subject when the R's
thought they were winning.

Jim

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:44:52 -0500, Goomba <goom...@comcast.net>
wrote:

True, she is using extreme numbers and well may be nuts. Problem
is, both sides are nuts Rush is a wacky as they get and, IMO, went to
far calling her vile names.

Congress is wacky to have a bunch of men testifying as to how women
can use their bodies. The old "go forth and multiply" was so that the
followers can make more followers and make bigger donations tot he
church or temple.

OTOH, birth control should be readily available at low cost. Better to
prevent than make unwanted babies that will be mistreated. Children
should be educated too.

[George M. Middius]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>Congress is wacky to have a bunch of men testifying as to how women
>can use their bodies. The old "go forth and multiply" was so that the
>followers can make more followers and make bigger donations tot he
>church or temple.

You got that right. What are the odds the big mucky-mucks in the
vatican will ever admit their dicta about sex are politically
motivated?

[Goomba]

On 3/3/12 7:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> OTOH, birth control should be readily available at low cost. Better to
> prevent than make unwanted babies that will be mistreated. Children
> should be educated too.

Birth control *is* available at low to even no cost. Planned parenthood
and public health departments provide it so. I volunteer at the health
department so I know condoms and birth control pills are readily available.

[Dave Smith]

On 03/03/2012 7:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Congress is wacky to have a bunch of men testifying as to how women
> can use their bodies. The old "go forth and multiply" was so that the
> followers can make more followers and make bigger donations tot he
> church or temple.
>
> OTOH, birth control should be readily available at low cost. Better to
> prevent than make unwanted babies that will be mistreated. Children
> should be educated too.
>
>

I thought birth control was being taught. I am pretty sure that it is
taught in schools around here. When I was young, being a pregnant
teenager was a major taboo. Despite the education and availability of
various forms of birth control, teen pregnancy is much more common.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that birth control should not be
taught and materials not provided...... just saying that it hasn't done
anything to reduce the number of pregnant teens. OTOH.... single
parenthood is now much more accepted.

[Dave Smith]

On 02/03/2012 11:01 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>
> I think Rush is going to explode one of these days and alienate his
> fan base. . I realize he is a caricature of himself, but he went a
> bit too far on this girl, IMO. He just made himself look immature and
> uneducated. Most of us outgrew name calling by fifth grade.

I was exposed to Rush years ago. He looked immature and uneducated back
then. He was just a sensationalist hack pandering to an uneducated and
immature audience.

[Gary]

Keeping your pants on and/or crossing your legs is the best birth control.
Give me a break. Sadly, it's the low-life of our society that breed like
rabbits.

Gary

[George M. Middius]

Also, apparently, a very large audience.

[Gary]

Like him or hate him, his radio show has made him millionaire many times
over. I like the guy....he's entertaining. I don't alway agree but it's a
good distraction for me during work in the afteroon.

Gary

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 13:15:06 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:



>
>Like him or hate him, his radio show has made him millionaire many times
>over. I like the guy....he's entertaining. I don't alway agree but it's a
>good distraction for me during work in the afteroon.
>
>Gary

Many years ago, I used to listen to him once in a while when in the
car. Yes, he was entertaining. Then he got so full of himself and
just became nasty. Turned him off one day and never looked back.

No matter what side you are on, extremism never works.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sat, 03 Mar 2012 11:23:03 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:


>
>I thought birth control was being taught. I am pretty sure that it is
>taught in schools around here. When I was young, being a pregnant
>teenager was a major taboo. Despite the education and availability of
>various forms of birth control, teen pregnancy is much more common.
>
>Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that birth control should not be
>taught and materials not provided...... just saying that it hasn't done
>anything to reduce the number of pregnant teens. OTOH.... single
>parenthood is now much more accepted.

If they are taught, they are not paying attention very well. In all
of history, girls did get pregnant and it was taboo. They were often
shunned by the family, etc. If seems that now, teen pregnancy is
acceptable behavior.

It is certainly not up to me to set moral standards for others, I was
a horny teenager too, but you do have to take responsibility for your
actions. Birth control is cheaper than raising a child. No matter
who pays in the end.

[George M. Middius]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

[Flush the Bimbo]

>Many years ago, I used to listen to him once in a while when in the
>car. Yes, he was entertaining. Then he got so full of himself and
>just became nasty. Turned him off one day and never looked back.

I tried listening to a little of Fatso's blather, thinking it might be
entertaining. For the first couple minutes, it was entertaining. Then
I realized he may have been posturing and pandering, but he seemed to
mean every word. And it dawned on me that he really and truly reaches
a great swath of the electorate, and that made me a little sick.

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Well, except for the effort to defund Planned Parenthood, that might
make sense. But that doesn't mean it costs less, it just moves the cost
around.

--
David Dyer-Bennet, dd...@dd-b.net; http://dd-b.net/
Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
Dragaera: http://dragaera.info

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Still costs money, and that's the kind of expenditure Rush and friends
like Santorum are avid to end.

[Brooklyn1]

Goomba writes:
>> George M. Middius wrote:
>> Did you hear what Rush Bimbo said the other day? A woman testified in
>> the House about a law requiring insurers to pay for contraceptives,
>> and Fatso called her a "whore".
>>
>> As a point of reference, Rushie is not as loony as Breitbart was.
>
> Having heard the woman's statement...her statements were ridiculous
> and I think she's nuts. She certainly should be able to find birth
> control available for less than the $1,000.00/year she claims it costs
> and is ruining her life while studying law at Georgetown. I bet she
> could go down to planned parenthood or the health department and get
> some for a less than $1,000.00/year, eh?

Someone oughta inform her about the alternatives; oral, anal, and
batterys.

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Andy <a@b.c> writes:

> David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, except for the effort to defund Planned Parenthood, that might
>> make sense. But that doesn't mean it costs less, it just moves the
> cost
>> around.
>
>

> You can walk into any Pennsylvania Health Department where condoms are
> free for the asking. I saw a little kid walk up to the service window and
> ask for condoms. Barely looking up the woman reached into a box and gave
> him a handful of condoms. I remember thinking "smart kid!"
>
>
> I just got off the phone with the Washington, D.C. Department of Health
> and they too give out free condoms.
>
> Safe sex contraception is probably freely available in many states. Call
> yours and ask. In both case, even the calls were free. ;)

And that's good. But condoms PLUS hormonal contraception or an IUD or
something is a very good idea if you actually want not to get pregnant.

[Doug Freyburger]

Goomba wrote:
>
> Having heard the woman's statement...her statements were ridiculous and
> I think she's nuts. She certainly should be able to find birth control
> available for less than the $1,000.00/year she claims it costs and is
> ruining her life while studying law at Georgetown. I bet she could go
> down to planned parenthood or the health department and get some for a
> less than $1,000.00/year, eh?

I remember being young and poor and buying boxes of condoms. They are
not expensive. I support her right to use birth control to the extent
she pays for it out of her own pocket and does not expect anyone else
to pay for it. I would also support if she chose to go out and get a
job that has benefits that include paying for her birth control.
Whatever type of birth control that policy covers that is. I do not
support her wanting to make me pay for it with my taxes. She is
definitely nuts.

As to Rush, nuts does not even begin to describe him. I have no idea
why people still listen to him on the radio.

[Dave Smith]

On 05/03/2012 3:31 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
> I remember being young and poor and buying boxes of condoms. They are
> not expensive. I support her right to use birth control to the extent
> she pays for it out of her own pocket and does not expect anyone else
> to pay for it. I would also support if she chose to go out and get a
> job that has benefits that include paying for her birth control.
> Whatever type of birth control that policy covers that is. I do not
> support her wanting to make me pay for it with my taxes. She is
> definitely nuts.

I have to agree with you. I understand the rationale... I think. I am
poor and on social assistance, so you should provide me with birth
control because if I have sex and get pregnant, then you are going to
have to pay for the kid too, or.... she iwll need an abortion, which
will cost a lot more and be a less desirable outcome. IMO, that is not
too far away from someone holding a gun on yo and that if you don't
hand over your money it could go off.... and it will be your fault.

Sex is the means by which we procreate. If you can't afford to have
children you shouldn't be having any. If you can't even afford birth
control, you shouldn't be having sex. It takes to have the sort of sex
for which birth control is needed..... so if you can't afford it between
the two of you...... You're fucked and should not be fucking.

> As to Rush, nuts does not even begin to describe him. I have no idea
> why people still listen to him on the radio.

Is he any more nuts that the commentators on Fox, like that O'Reilly
idiot. I got a taste of him when I was in Colorado about 10 years ago,
before Fox news <?> seeped its way up here. I could not believe that
such a colossal ass had a TV show. I am surprised that anyone would
watch that crap.

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> writes:

> On 05/03/2012 3:31 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>
>> I remember being young and poor and buying boxes of condoms. They are
>> not expensive. I support her right to use birth control to the extent
>> she pays for it out of her own pocket and does not expect anyone else
>> to pay for it. I would also support if she chose to go out and get a
>> job that has benefits that include paying for her birth control.
>> Whatever type of birth control that policy covers that is. I do not
>> support her wanting to make me pay for it with my taxes. She is
>> definitely nuts.
>
>
> I have to agree with you. I understand the rationale... I think. I am
> poor and on social assistance, so you should provide me with birth
> control because if I have sex and get pregnant, then you are going to
> have to pay for the kid too, or.... she iwll need an abortion, which
> will cost a lot more and be a less desirable outcome. IMO, that is
> not too far away from someone holding a gun on yo and that if you
> don't hand over your money it could go off.... and it will be your
> fault.

It's basic medical care. Why should her employer get to decide whether
to include that bit or not?

> Sex is the means by which we procreate. If you can't afford to have
> children you shouldn't be having any. If you can't even afford birth
> control, you shouldn't be having sex. It takes to have the sort of sex
> for which birth control is needed..... so if you can't afford it
> between the two of you...... You're fucked and should not be fucking.

Get real. It's one of the strongest human drives, AND one of the
cheaper recreational options.

[Doug Freyburger]

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

> Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>>Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>>> I remember being young and poor and buying boxes of condoms. They are

>>> not expensive ...

>
>> I have to agree with you. I understand the rationale... I think. I am
>> poor and on social assistance, so you should provide me with birth
>> control because if I have sex and get pregnant, then you are going to
>> have to pay for the kid too, or.... she iwll need an abortion, which

>> will cost a lot more and be a less desirable outcome ...

>
> It's basic medical care.

Her chosing the most expensive among her options, and then asserting she
should not pay for that choice, does not count as "basic". She made no
claim of medical need for that choice and she gave no justification for
making taking the most expensive choice available.

> Why should her employer get to decide whether
> to include that bit or not?

She's a student who works while classes are not in session. There is no
employer who supplies her medical insurance. She is asking for her
choices to be paid for by my taxes. No way, lady. She can move to
Canada and have someone else pay that with their taxes.

[Brooklyn1]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:05:15 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet <dd...@dd-b.net>
wrote:

Yeah, for safe sex all anyone needs is spit.

[James Silverton]

Note that free condoms are for males not females. Female contraceptives
(chemical hormonal) cost a significant amount and require a paid visit
to a doctor.

--
Jim Silverton

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

[Brooklyn1]

I've yet to meet a women who doesn't prefer tongue to penis... and all
pills have negative side effects... maybe if that student would bathe
once in a while.

[Dave Smith]

On 05/03/2012 4:05 PM, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:

>>
>> I have to agree with you. I understand the rationale... I think. I am
>> poor and on social assistance, so you should provide me with birth
>> control because if I have sex and get pregnant, then you are going to
>> have to pay for the kid too, or.... she iwll need an abortion, which
>> will cost a lot more and be a less desirable outcome. IMO, that is
>> not too far away from someone holding a gun on yo and that if you
>> don't hand over your money it could go off.... and it will be your
>> fault.
>
> It's basic medical care. Why should her employer get to decide whether
> to include that bit or not?

No. It is not basic medical care. We are going to have to agree to
disagree about this. You're talking lifestyle care, not medical care.


IF she was working and her employer was paying for medical insurance
that would provide coverage for her children it is a pretty easy
decision for them to make.... better to pay for contraceptive pills than
to have to provide coverage for children. This case involved a student.
If her date can't afford a condom she is dumpster diving.

>> Sex is the means by which we procreate. If you can't afford to have
>> children you shouldn't be having any. If you can't even afford birth
>> control, you shouldn't be having sex. It takes to have the sort of sex
>> for which birth control is needed..... so if you can't afford it
>> between the two of you...... You're fucked and should not be fucking.
>
> Get real. It's one of the strongest human drives, AND one of the
> cheaper recreational options.

You don't need to tell me that. I don't only studied physiology and
comparative animal behaviour at the university level, but I was a horn
dog from the onset of puberty. Being a male..... I was the one who
usually ended up having to buy the dinner and the drinks in order to get
to enjoy that basic drive release mechanism. Maybe we should lobby for
medical insurance to cover the cost of dates that help us to get lucky?

[Dave Smith]

On 05/03/2012 5:19 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:

> She's a student who works while classes are not in session. There is no
> employer who supplies her medical insurance. She is asking for her
> choices to be paid for by my taxes. No way, lady. She can move to
> Canada and have someone else pay that with their taxes.
>

Canadian health care does not cover birth control. There are clinics
that hand out rubbers... so I am told. If you want birth control pills
covered you have to have pay for a drug plan that covers that.

[Dave Smith]

On 05/03/2012 5:39 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>> Get real. It's one of the strongest human drives, AND one of the
>> cheaper recreational options.
>
> Yeah, for safe sex all anyone needs is spit.

In Sheldon's word... spit and a non arthritic palm.

[Goomba]

On 3/5/12 5:19 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:


> She's a student who works while classes are not in session. There is no
> employer who supplies her medical insurance. She is asking for her
> choices to be paid for by my taxes. No way, lady. She can move to
> Canada and have someone else pay that with their taxes.
>

She also picked an incredibly expensive Catholic school to attend.
Georgetown ain't cheap! I know this as my niece is currently working on
her PhD at Georgetown. I suspect this woman in the news can find the
bucks to pay for her own birth control *if she chose to* but instead she
was putting herself out there just to make this claim, probably a
political one at that. All she gets from me is an eye roll for her silly
claims.

[Brooklyn1]

Huh... what makes you think females can't obtain fee condoms? Most
sexually active females nowadays carry condoms, and it's mostly women
who ask for free condoms from public clinics, most men buy their own.
Actually a significant number of women (and men) today have their
tubes snipped, and that's a procedure I wouldn't mind coming from my
tax dollar.

[Goomba]

On 3/5/12 5:54 PM, James Silverton wrote:

> Note that free condoms are for males not females. Female contraceptives
> (chemical hormonal) cost a significant amount and require a paid visit
> to a doctor.
>

My local health department also has female condoms in stock.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 20:31:55 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
<dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>I remember being young and poor and buying boxes of condoms. They are
>not expensive. I support her right to use birth control to the extent
>she pays for it out of her own pocket and does not expect anyone else
>to pay for it. I would also support if she chose to go out and get a
>job that has benefits that include paying for her birth control.

While I agree with you, that just does not happen in our imperfect
world. I'd rather pay a small sum for a condom than pay for welfare
for the offspring for then next six decades.

[Janet]

In article <jj3g6j$9r4$1...@dont-email.me>, jim.si...@verizon.net says...

>

> Note that free condoms are for males not females.

Don't you have femidoms there? In the UK they are as available as free
condoms.

Or, let me guess.. you don't actually know much about womens'
contraceptive methods.

Janet

[James Silverton]

I admit that I was not aware that *free* feminine condoms were available
but my point was that the most effective contraception methods for women
were hormonal and involved the cost of a doctor's intervention or
examination.

[Dave Smith]

I think we have heard of them, but the whole idea is sort of creepy.
From what I have seen of them, having sex with one of those things
would be like reading Braille while wearing whole mittens.

[Janet]

In article <jj56k9$d1n$1...@dont-email.me>, jim.si...@verizon.net says...

>
> On 3/6/2012 6:47 AM, Janet wrote:
> > In article<jj3g6j$9r4$1...@dont-email.me>, jim.si...@verizon.net says...
> >>
> >
> >> Note that free condoms are for males not females.
> >
> > Don't you have femidoms there? In the UK they are as available as free
> > condoms.
> >
> > Or, let me guess.. you don't actually know much about womens'
> > contraceptive methods.
> >
> > Janet
>
> I admit that I was not aware that *free* feminine condoms were available
> but my point was that the most effective contraception methods for women
> were hormonal

The (non hormonal) IUS and vaginal ring have a similar rate of efficacy
to the pill and patch (99%)

and involved the cost of a doctor's intervention or
> examination.

In the UK women can get every kind of contraception free on the NHS.
Dr exam and after care are part of the (free) package.

Janet

[Doug Freyburger]

I watched more about it on this morning's news. She was actually
testifying about someone other than herself. This other person has a
valid medical reason for needing to be on the pill. Thus for that
person it's a need not a style choice. I know people who are stuck in
jobs because of preexisting medical conditions that make potential other
employers pass on them. They are pretty much screwed by their medical
situation.

[George M. Middius]

Doug Freyburger wrote:

>I watched more about it on this morning's news. She was actually
>testifying about someone other than herself. This other person has a
>valid medical reason for needing to be on the pill.

I've never heard of that. What was her reason?

[sf]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:46:40 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> crap.

The entire debate is crap. Women's methods of birth control should be
as cheap and easy to get as men's. I heard a commercial yesterday for
cheap Viagra. Even old men who can't get it up are encouraged to have
more sex. Who do you think condom and Viagra buying men are going to
have all that sex with, themselves???

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

[sf]

Buy condoms for men and hope they use it? Yeah, right. If they did,
women's means of contraception wouldn't have been needed.

[Dave Smith]

On 06/03/2012 1:44 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:46:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> crap.
>
> The entire debate is crap. Women's methods of birth control should be
> as cheap and easy to get as men's. I heard a commercial yesterday for
> cheap Viagra. Even old men who can't get it up are encouraged to have
> more sex. Who do you think condom and Viagra buying men are going to
> have all that sex with, themselves???
>

Men's birth control??? Sorry, but I don't understand. To the best of my
knowledge, men don't get pregnant, so condoms, while fitted on the male,
are birth control devices for women. The Pill was not particularly
expensive, but you do have to go to a doctor to get a prescription. It
was a godsend to people in the 60's and 70's, but given the rise in drug
resistant STDs and AIDS, people had more to be concerned about than
pregnancy, so condoms serve double duty.

[Doug Freyburger]

James Silverton wrote:
>
> Note that free condoms are for males not females.

No. Have you never been on a date that ended up at her place where
she pulled out a box of condoms and said "No glove no love"? If you did
I take it you didn't say "Oh well no love then".

I figure my single days where so long ago instead of tractor pulls we
had mastadon pulls but I remember it happened on at least one date
back then.

[James Silverton]

The scenario is amusing and the most effective anti-disease measure *is*
the male condom. Disease apart, a contraceptive pill to be taken by a
male would be very useful even to those in non-transitory
relationships.

[Dave Smith]

On 06/03/2012 1:45 PM, sf wrote:

>> While I agree with you, that just does not happen in our imperfect
>> world. I'd rather pay a small sum for a condom than pay for welfare
>> for the offspring for then next six decades.
>
> Buy condoms for men and hope they use it? Yeah, right. If they did,
> women's means of contraception wouldn't have been needed.
>

I confess to holding the apparently un-PC that women should bear the
responsibility for birth control, since it is the woman who is going to
get pregnant if there is a failure. Not saying the man should not wear
a condom if needed, only that the one who has the most to lose needs to
be on charge.

[Krypsis]

The things that stuff up all attempts at birth control are alcohol and
recreational drugs. You need to be in a lucid state of mind else such
matters as contraceptives seem to be forgotten.

--

Krypsis

[sf]

What's un-PC about women having control over their own bodies (their
uterus, in particular)? They're trying to deny women that control.
It's not a Canadian issue - yet.

[sf]

On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 06:25:48 +1100, Krypsis <kry...@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

I notice that it's primarily men debating the issue here too. If
women had absolute control over their uterus, men would have no say in
the matter.

[James Silverton]

Let me say that my position is, given the necessity of medical
intervention, I am fully in favor of hormonal contraception being
covered by health insurance. That means the Pill, Implants or Injections
and would include male hormonal contraceptives if they are ever available.

[Bryan]

Between the anti-porn pledge that Romney, Santorum and Gingrich all
took, and the anti-contraceptive bullshit, Obama's chances are
looking great. Lots of independent guys who might buy into "tinkle
down" economic bullshit could well think, "But the GOP candidate wants
to take my porn away." The gals might think, "The GOP is downright
hostile toward women."
If someone creates a PAC all about putting ads on porn sites about the
GOP nominee's anti-porn pledge, I'll write them a check.

--Bryan

[spamtrap1888]

On Mar 3, 9:21 am, Gary <g.maj...@att.net> wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
>
> > On 3/3/12 7:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > > OTOH, birth control should be readily available at low cost. Better to
> > > prevent than make unwanted babies that will be mistreated.  Children
> > > should be educated too.
>
> > Birth control *is* available at low to even no cost. Planned parenthood
> > and public health departments provide it so. I volunteer at the health
> > department so I know condoms and birth control pills are readily available.
>
> Keeping your pants on and/or crossing your legs is the best birth control.
> Give me a break.  Sadly, it's the low-life of our society that breed like
> rabbits.
>

Like most normal, straight, men, Gary prefers a world where women
withhold sex.