Way OT: Phrases you Hate
Wayne Boatwright
a couple that just drive me up a wall.
1. "At the end of the day." I have to bite my tongue to keep from asking,
"At the end of which day? Today? Some other day?" I simply hate it. I
would actually rather hear the antiquated expression, "when all is said and
done'. At least the latter is clear in its meaning.
2. This one used to be at the top of my list, at some point replaced by
number 1 above. When someone is making comparisons and states, "it's exactly
the same as ____, except ____...". The subjects are obviously not exactly
the same because there are differences. Why not state the obvious and say
something more to the point like, "this one is different from that one
because..."? This phrase has bothered me for many years, but less so since
everybody is now talking about "the end of the day".
Yes, I know, hating these phrases has very little importance, but they drive
me nuts.
--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
_____________________________________________
A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!
Dave Smith
> I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but there are
> a couple that just drive me up a wall.
>
> 1. "At the end of the day." I have to bite my tongue to keep from asking,
> "At the end of which day? Today? Some other day?" I simply hate it. I
> would actually rather hear the antiquated expression, "when all is said and
> done'. At least the latter is clear in its meaning.
>
> 2. This one used to be at the top of my list, at some point replaced by
> number 1 above. When someone is making comparisons and states, "it's exactly
> the same as ____, except ____...". The subjects are obviously not exactly
> the same because there are differences. Why not state the obvious and say
> something more to the point like, "this one is different from that one
> because..."? This phrase has bothered me for many years, but less so since
> everybody is now talking about "the end of the day".
"Each and every..." Should be each or every, but not both.
"Where are you at?" I can't figure why anyone would compound the error of ending
a sentence with a preposition with a redundancy.
Then there is the waitressese plural of "you" as "yous" "youse<sp?>" or "yous
guys".
notbob
> Yes, I know, hating these phrases has very little importance, but they drive
> me nuts.
Yes, much like, "_____________(fill in blank) you hate".
nb
Peter Aitken
news:Xns9724B772D6...@217.22.228.19...
>I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but there
>are
> a couple that just drive me up a wall.
>
> 1. "At the end of the day." I have to bite my tongue to keep from
> asking,
> "At the end of which day? Today? Some other day?" I simply hate it. I
> would actually rather hear the antiquated expression, "when all is said
> and
> done'. At least the latter is clear in its meaning.
>
> 2. This one used to be at the top of my list, at some point replaced by
> number 1 above. When someone is making comparisons and states, "it's
> exactly
> the same as ____, except ____...". The subjects are obviously not exactly
> the same because there are differences. Why not state the obvious and say
> something more to the point like, "this one is different from that one
> because..."? This phrase has bothered me for many years, but less so
> since
> everybody is now talking about "the end of the day".
>
> Yes, I know, hating these phrases has very little importance, but they
> drive
> me nuts.
>
1) The use of the word "quality" wthout a qualifier. There is low quality,
there is high quality, but by itself the word means nothing.
2) The use of the word "sharing" to mean exchange of information, as in "let
me share this story with you." Sharing is to divide something up among two
or more people. You can share a pie or a cake, but you cannot share a story
or an experience.
--
Peter Aitken
--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm
Marcella Peek
It's a friggin' epidemic.
"Basically you sauté the onions and then you add in the carrots." NO,
you Do sauté the onions and then you DO add in the carrots. Sheesh.
Today on the news some yo yo was talking about the little boy who called
911 while his mother was being murdered. He said "basically, it was a
tragedy." Good grief. It was an actual tragedy no basically about it.
marcella
In article <Xns9724B772D6...@217.22.228.19>,
Curly Sue
Thank you for sharing :)
Mine is "move forward," as in "As we move forward (on this project)."
or less frequently, "Let's move forward" (i.e., go to the next agenda
item).
If I actually moved forward every time this phrase was used, I'd be in
China.
Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!
Gabby
"Curly Sue" <address...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:43963fbd...@news-server.nyc.rr.com...
> Mine is "move forward," as in "As we move forward (on this project)."
> or less frequently, "Let's move forward" (i.e., go to the next agenda
> item).
>
> If I actually moved forward every time this phrase was used, I'd be in
> China.
Mine is 'stakeholders' as in "We're planning a to build a new church. We'll
meet with the stakeholders for..." Bloody hell, you'll meet with the
parishioners.
When I hear stakeholders, I think of vampire hunters. Yes, I know,
stakeholder is also the person who holds the money in a bet.
Gabby
King's Crown
I give them a funny hard time when they do it. They are kids and one
expects odd comparisons, but when and adults say it I think, "Who are you
Gilligan?"
P.S. I have 2 words I abhor... "Duh?" and "Whatever." My children are
forbidden to use them. I told them no adult wants to hear a child say
either of those words.
Lynne
"Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
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modom
Sue) wrote:
>
>Mine is "move forward," as in "As we move forward (on this project)."
>or less frequently, "Let's move forward" (i.e., go to the next agenda
>item).
>
>If I actually moved forward every time this phrase was used, I'd be in
>China.
>
Is that China up ahead?
I'm seeking to ban the use of "extreme" for a period not less than a
decade so everybody can calm down about it. Then there's "massive"
used to mean a really big buch of something. I actually heard about a
massive vacuum, once. What is the mass of a vacuum?
modom
David Hare-Scott
"Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
news:Xns9724B772D6...@217.22.228.19...
are
> a couple that just drive me up a wall.
>
"????wise" is the worst, whatever thing you want to refer to with "wise"
added This is just plain lazy and very often used by professional
communicators who really should know better. I can understand words being
coined to shorten speech that is over long but the phrase using "????wise"
is nearly always longer and clumsier than without it.
We have "How are we going scorewise?" instead of "What is the score?"
We have "Temperaturewise it's been very hot" what the farnarkle is wrong
with "It's been very hot"
We are asked "What is the situation trafficwise?" instead of "How is the
traffic?"
Newsreaders should be fined $500 for every single offence and $2500 for
occurences in successive sentences.
Grrrrrrrrrrrr!
David
itsjoannotjoann
The one that drives me up the wall is "you know". I realize that many
people, you know, talk and are not actually thinking, you know, about
what they are a saying or, you know, what the next phrase will be in
the conversation. It's just a filler phrase, you know, and they don't
even know they are doing it, you know.
GRRRRRRRR
Wayne Boatwright
Peek?
> Basically....
>
> It's a friggin' epidemic.
>
> "Basically you sauté the onions and then you add in the carrots." NO,
> you Do sauté the onions and then you DO add in the carrots. Sheesh.
> Today on the news some yo yo was talking about the little boy who called
> 911 while his mother was being murdered. He said "basically, it was a
> tragedy." Good grief. It was an actual tragedy no basically about it.
Not only is it often misused, it is used entire too often. For some people
it seems to be every other word.
Wayne Boatwright
> Mine is 'stakeholders' as in "We're planning a to build a new church.
> We'll meet with the stakeholders for..." Bloody hell, you'll meet with
> the parishioners.
>
> When I hear stakeholders, I think of vampire hunters. Yes, I know,
> stakeholder is also the person who holds the money in a bet.
I hear this used in business meetings far more often than it should be. I
don't care for it either, although I admit I don't picture vampire hunters.
From now on I probably will. :-)
Wayne Boatwright
That conjures quite an image. :-)
Wayne Boatwright
Aitken?
> 1) The use of the word "quality" wthout a qualifier. There is low
> quality, there is high quality, but by itself the word means nothing.
>
> 2) The use of the word "sharing" to mean exchange of information, as in
> "let me share this story with you." Sharing is to divide something up
> among two or more people. You can share a pie or a cake, but you cannot
> share a story or an experience.
I can't even remember how long I've heard these word uses, and all too
frequently.
I also can't understand who so many buzzwords and catch phrases are littered
with incorrect meaning and/or grammar.
Edwin Pawlowski
"Marcella Peek" <marc...@extra.peek.org> wrote in message
news:marcella-172F9C...@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> Basically....
>
> It's a friggin' epidemic.
>
> "Basically you sauté the onions and then you add in the carrots." NO,
> you Do sauté the onions and then you DO add in the carrots. Sheesh.
You know, your post is basically different than the others so it is very
unique.
Hairy
"Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
news:Xns9724B772D6...@217.22.228.19...
are
> a couple that just drive me up a wall.
>
> 1. "At the end of the day." I have to bite my tongue to keep from
asking,
> "At the end of which day? Today? Some other day?" I simply hate it. I
> would actually rather hear the antiquated expression, "when all is said
and
> done'. At least the latter is clear in its meaning.
>
> 2. This one used to be at the top of my list, at some point replaced by
> number 1 above. When someone is making comparisons and states, "it's
exactly
> the same as ____, except ____...". The subjects are obviously not exactly
> the same because there are differences. Why not state the obvious and say
> something more to the point like, "this one is different from that one
> because..."? This phrase has bothered me for many years, but less so
since
> everybody is now talking about "the end of the day".
>
> Yes, I know, hating these phrases has very little importance, but they
drive
> me nuts.
How about the misuse of the word "ME"?
As in "Me and Mom went to the Mall today".
Also, starting a sentence with "So".
"So, I went car shopping today.....".
These two make me grind my teeth a bit, though I admit, I'm not perfeck,
neither.
;-)
Dave
jmcquown
> I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but
> there are a couple that just drive me up a wall.
>
tsr3
1) Using the word "myself" when "me" is correct. Example: "If you
have any questions, please ask Bob or myself", instead of writing
"please ask Bob or me".--r3
Wayne Boatwright
Yeah, I know. :-)
Wayne Boatwright
> How about the misuse of the word "ME"?
> As in "Me and Mom went to the Mall today".
> Also, starting a sentence with "So".
> "So, I went car shopping today.....".
>
> These two make me grind my teeth a bit, though I admit, I'm not perfeck,
> neither.
> ;-)
I admit that I'm far from perfect, but when I hear that I can only think of
ill-educated and ignorance. How simple does English have to be to get it
right?
Wayne Boatwright
Pawlowski?
LOL!
Edwin Pawlowski
>
> Newsreaders should be fined $500 for every single offence and $2500 for
> occurences in successive sentences.
So how are things otherwise?
Taking a turn in the thread, I'm getting tired of hearing the "F" word in
every sentence. One of the schools here in CT now fines the students $103
when they use that word in the school.
Seems like know one cares to much about language arts. If we spent enuf
time on spelling alot moor kids would be able two put too words together for
conversation, you know.
Wayne Boatwright
Crown?
> Your second phrase you hate is one my children say and it just cracks me
> up. I give them a funny hard time when they do it. They are kids and
> one expects odd comparisons, but when and adults say it I think, "Who
> are you Gilligan?"
LOL!
> P.S. I have 2 words I abhor... "Duh?" and "Whatever." My children are
> forbidden to use them. I told them no adult wants to hear a child say
> either of those words.
I don't want to hear an adult saying them, either. Far too many people do,
even in the workplace.
Nancy Young
"tsr3" <r3-...@earthlink.net> wrote
That drives me up a wall (Contact Bob or myself) ... how about
call me or Bob.
Where's it at? is nails on a chalkboard to me, but I am sure I have
many annoying speech mannerisms, too. Like, you know ...
nancy
Wayne Boatwright
Superlatives seem to be popular today. Ugh!
Wayne Boatwright
Hare-Scott?
And the lead in to so many statements, "I'm just saying..."
Wayne Boatwright
itsjoannotjoann?
Possibly worse is, "ya know".
Wayne Boatwright
I've never understood this one. The awkwardness of the phrase itself is
enough to mske one think it's wrong.
lady_fr...@hotmail.com
Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but there are
> a couple that just drive me up a wall.
Here is one that drives me nuts
"The grass is always greener on the other side"
So does this mean that my neighbor with the brand new hummer and BMW is
envying me? They would love to have my mini-van? Come on. Face it, we
are not envied by everyone.
Hairy
<lady_fr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No, It means they envy your other neighbor's Aston Martin. That's one saying
that makes perfect sense, IMO.
Dave
Wayne Boatwright
Pawlowski?
What no longer surprises me, after decades of working in two professions,
is the number of professionals with poor spelling and grammar. It perfaces
both e-mails and formal documents. I even see it occasionally in
contracts.
Melba's Jammin'
Wayne Boatwright <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote:
> On Tue 06 Dec 2005 09:15:03p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Hairy?
>
> > How about the misuse of the word "ME"?
> > As in "Me and Mom went to the Mall today".
> > Also, starting a sentence with "So".
> > "So, I went car shopping today.....".
> >
> > These two make me grind my teeth a bit, though I admit, I'm not perfeck,
> > neither.
> > ;-)
>
> I admit that I'm far from perfect, but when I hear that I can only think of
> ill-educated and ignorance. How simple does English have to be to get it
> right?
Rather more simple than it is, I guess.
Reading
I take it you already know
Of tough and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble, but not you
On hiccough, thorough, slough, through?
Well done! And now you wish, perhaps,
To learn of less familiar traps?
Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird.
And dead; it's said like bed, not bead;
For goodness sake, don't call it deed!
Watch out for meat and great and threat,
(They rhyme with suite and straight and debt).
A moth is not a moth in mother.
Nor both in bother, broth in brother.
And here is not a match for there,
And dear and fear for bear and pear,
And then there's dose and rose and lose--
Just look them up--and goose and choose,
And cork and work and card and ward,
And font and front and word and sword.
And do and go, then thwart and cart.
Come, come, I've hardly made a start.
A dreadful language? Why, man alive,
I'd learned to talk it when I was five.
And yet to read it, the more I tried,
I hadn't learned it at fifty-five.
Author unknown.
From Beacons, (an elementary school reading book), Houghton Mifflin
Company
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Hairy
"Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
> On Tue 06 Dec 2005 09:22:58p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Edwin
> Pawlowski?
>
> > "David Hare-Scott" <com...@rotting.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Newsreaders should be fined $500 for every single offence and $2500 for
> >> occurences in successive sentences.
> >
> > So how are things otherwise?
> >
> > Taking a turn in the thread, I'm getting tired of hearing the "F" word
> > in every sentence. One of the schools here in CT now fines the students
> > $103 when they use that word in the school.
> >
> > Seems like know one cares to much about language arts. If we spent enuf
> > time on spelling alot moor kids would be able two put too words together
> > for conversation, you know.
>
> What no longer surprises me, after decades of working in two professions,
> is the number of professionals with poor spelling and grammar. It
perfaces
> both e-mails and formal documents. I even see it occasionally in
> contracts.
>
You should check out some of the other groups that I participate in. RFC is
brilliantly literate, in comparison.
Dave
Wayne Boatwright
No, it means if you knew what their lives were really like, you likely
wouldn't envy them, but since you don't know, their lives look better than
yours.
Wayne Boatwright
Jammin'?
There are a lot of adults who should read this! :-)
Moriarty
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
>> I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but
>> there
> are
>> a couple that just drive me up a wall.
>>
>
> "wise"
> added This is just plain lazy and very often used by professional
> communicators who really should know better. I can understand words
> being
> coined to shorten speech that is over long but the phrase using
> "????wise"
> is nearly always longer and clumsier than without it.
>
> We have "How are we going scorewise?" instead of "What is the score?"
> We have "Temperaturewise it's been very hot" what the farnarkle is
> wrong
> with "It's been very hot"
> We are asked "What is the situation trafficwise?" instead of "How is
> the
> traffic?"
>
> for
> occurences in successive sentences.
>
>
> David
How big a fine for ____event?
"It's the movie event of the year!" And now I also hear "weather event"
far too often.
-T
Wayne Boatwright
Just this morning as I listened to the local weather forecast, the weather
person said that Phoenix would be having "more weather" today.
notbob
> You should check out some of the other groups that I participate in. RFC is
> brilliantly literate, in comparison.
We knowed that! ;)
nb
dere...@netscape.net
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> Seems like know one cares to much about language arts.
"Apostrophe + s" for the plural is becoming dreadfully common.
Ex: "We rented some video's last night."
Derek Juhl
Elaine Parrish
hehehe. I agree, Dave. However, it is not just about envy. It is more
about not being satisfied or content with oneself and looking for answers
"over there". "I'd be richer or happier or more successful, etc "over there"
The phrase, "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence"
came from the fact that horses and cattle will stand belly deep is green
grass and ignore it while they lean as far over the fence as they can -
even unto contorting themselves into difficult positions and having to
snatch the tip of the grass.
Elaine, too
mcbr...@yahoo.com
Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but there are
> a couple that just drive me up a wall.
>
> "At the end of which day? Today? Some other day?" I simply hate it. I
> would actually rather hear the antiquated expression, "when all is said and
> done'. At least the latter is clear in its meaning.
>
> 2. This one used to be at the top of my list, at some point replaced by
> number 1 above. When someone is making comparisons and states, "it's exactly
> the same as ____, except ____...". The subjects are obviously not exactly
> the same because there are differences. Why not state the obvious and say
> something more to the point like, "this one is different from that one
> because..."? This phrase has bothered me for many years, but less so since
> everybody is now talking about "the end of the day".
>
> Yes, I know, hating these phrases has very little importance, but they drive
> me nuts.
>
> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
> _____________________________________________
>
> A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!
"Would of" and "should of" drive me nuts. In speech you can get away
with it. Would of sounds an awful lot like would've. But reading
through usenet I see it everywhere.
Using the word who when you should have used whom is perfectly
acceptable in my book. It shows you to be a product of public
education. No shame in that. Using the word whom when you should have
used who makes you look like an idiot.
Commas. I tell most folks to not even use them. Seeing commas,
scattered haphazardly through a sentence, really gets me. "When in
doubt, leave it out."
"But that is neither here nor there." Oh yeah? Then where the Hell is
it?
Irregardless. Ugh.
I'm sure there's more, but right now I've got to go punch something.
b.
Elaine Parrish
A new mom and pop restaurant opened up here a couple of weeks ago.
Name: Sis's Place
sheesh.
Elaine, too
Paul M. Cook
"Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
news:Xns9724B772D6...@217.22.228.19...
are
> a couple that just drive me up a wall.
>
> 1. "At the end of the day." I have to bite my tongue to keep from
asking,
> "At the end of which day? Today? Some other day?" I simply hate it. I
> would actually rather hear the antiquated expression, "when all is said
and
> done'. At least the latter is clear in its meaning.
>
> 2. This one used to be at the top of my list, at some point replaced by
> number 1 above. When someone is making comparisons and states, "it's
exactly
> the same as ____, except ____...". The subjects are obviously not exactly
> the same because there are differences. Why not state the obvious and say
> something more to the point like, "this one is different from that one
> because..."? This phrase has bothered me for many years, but less so
since
> everybody is now talking about "the end of the day".
>
> Yes, I know, hating these phrases has very little importance, but they
drive
> me nuts.
OK sure -
1) "I could care less" - yeah I'm sure you could freaking care less! The
phrase is "I couldn't care less" As in, no matter how hard I try I could
not give less of a damn. Why is this so hard to grasp? If you "could care
less" you obviously are not exactly in the truly ambivalent camp now are
you.
2) "The most unique" - look, unique in the dictionary means one of a kind.
One. That means there is nothing else like it good or bad. So how in the
freaking hell can something be "more unique" as in more one of a damn kind?
One means one. One does not imply two or more. One - got it?
3) "Help us help you" - ok so it isn't enough I pay too much for your crap,
your shoddy products, your customer service rep with an Indian accent who
insists his name is Steve and he lives in San Diego. No, now it is "my"
freaking job to help you out and do your freaking damn job for you. Get a
clue. I am the customer - YOU figure out how to help ME. Hint - you can
start by NOT making me deal with some arrogant Indian prick in Bangladesh
who insists his name is Steve or John or what have you. Hell we don't even
name our kids that in this country anymore - get a clue - they are all named
Tyler or Kodhye or Zachary. Do I want to be reminded every damn time I call
to ask why my satellite dish resets every 3 seconds that my job is probably
the next one to be shipped to some Indian shit hole where somebody will work
for 1/4 the wages I got and take on a name that has not been used since
1979?
4) "Do we have your permission to review your records?" - Uh, yeah, what the
fuck do you think I'm calling for anyway? You think I want to talk about
the weather or that my niece is knocked up or that my wife is screwing the
mailman? Sure, review my damn account - MAYBE it will help you answer a few
freaking questions like why in the hell you billed me 2300.00 for my cell
phone last month????? Just what is the point of asking ME if YOU can review
YOUR company records? Is this some weird sort of psychological bullcrap
that is supposed to maybe make me feel in control or something? Am I
supposed to say no? "NO! Keep your prying eyes off my records you
scumbag!" Is that what you expect me to say?
5) "Can I help you find anything" - Yeah right. I need help finding the
butter. Oh where is the butter? I've shopped in this store for 20 years
and you think I need help finding the damn butter? Want to know how you can
help? Explain to me why the cost of butter is 5 bucks a pound when we have
so damn much milk produced in this country you have to pour it down the
drains to make an excuse as to why butter is 5 bucks a freaking pound.
6) "Did you find everything you want?" - Uh no. I found everything I need
to survive as in food, water, and a case of wine. What I want is respect,
love, kindness, tolerance and understanding. Good sex would be nice too but
since every woman these days has more tattoos and piercings than Popeye the
sailor I think I will just have to make myself happy with what I am buying
in your store.
What was the question again?
Paul
Bob Terwilliger
> Mine is "move forward," as in "As we move forward (on this project)."
> or less frequently, "Let's move forward" (i.e., go to the next agenda
> item).
>
> If I actually moved forward every time this phrase was used, I'd be in
> China.
Ah, that reminds me of http://www.fatalexception.org/action_item.html
Wonderful lampooning of bureaucratese.
Bob
Bob Terwilliger
> I'm seeking to ban the use of "extreme" for a period not less than a
> decade so everybody can calm down about it. Then there's "massive"
> used to mean a really big buch of something. I actually heard about a
> massive vacuum, once. What is the mass of a vacuum?
That's skater-lingo.
See http://punkskateboarders.tripod.com/id73.htm
Bob
Bob Terwilliger
> I also can't understand who so many buzzwords and catch phrases are
> littered with incorrect meaning and/or grammar.
Could you care less? :-)
Bob
Denny Wheeler
<pai...@CRAPnc.rr.com> wrote:
>1) The use of the word "quality" wthout a qualifier. There is low quality,
>there is high quality, but by itself the word means nothing.
When one uses 'quality' by itself ('this is a quality item') the
'high' is implicit.
>2) The use of the word "sharing" to mean exchange of information, as in "let
>me share this story with you." Sharing is to divide something up among two
>or more people. You can share a pie or a cake, but you cannot share a story
>or an experience.
Can you share a file? As on a network?
--
-denny-
"Do your thoughts call ahead or do they just arrive at your mouth unannounced?"
"It's come as you are, baby."
-over the hedge
Denny Wheeler
>You should check out some of the other groups that I participate in. RFC is
>brilliantly literate, in comparison.
Indeed. One group I'm in a lot has a number of amateur writers;
another I used to frequent has even more writers. The misspellings,
typos, and bad diction--one would think those who attempt to write
would get those things right.
One would be wrong.
Denny Wheeler
>I'm seeking to ban the use of "extreme" for a period not less than a
>decade so everybody can calm down about it.
Like, y'know, that's a massively extreme attitude, y'know.
Denny Wheeler
>"Apostrophe + s" for the plural is becoming dreadfully common.
>
>Ex: "We rented some video's last night."
First time I encountered that was the late Seventies in a supermarket.
When I saw the sign saying "Banana's" I asked the produce manager
which fruit owned the display.
Denny Wheeler
<wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote:
>On Tue 06 Dec 2005 08:03:43p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it
>itsjoannotjoann?
>
>>
>> The one that drives me up the wall is "you know". I realize that many
>> people, you know, talk and are not actually thinking, you know, about
>> what they are a saying or, you know, what the next phrase will be in
>> the conversation. It's just a filler phrase, you know, and they don't
>> even know they are doing it, you know.
>>
>> GRRRRRRRR
>
>Possibly worse is, "ya know".
Most often used, IME, is "y'know"--I think the various forms of 'you
know' have replaced 'like' as a filler.
Gabby
"Elaine Parrish" <e...@ebicom.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.33.051207...@edison.ebicom.net...
> A new mom and pop restaurant opened up here a couple of weeks ago.
> Name: Sis's Place
> sheesh.
What's wrong with that? The rule says that the possessive of names that end
in S is indicated by adding 'S -- exception is made for Jesus. It's
different from forming the possessive of plurals.
Gabby
Gregory Morrow
Peter Aitken wrote:
> 1) The use of the word "quality" wthout a qualifier. There is low quality,
> there is high quality, but by itself the word means nothing.
The term "world class". What "world" are they speaking of here - First
World, Third World, or...???
--
Best
Greg
Andy
The silliest saying is:
"If I had a nickel for every time I heard that..."
If you heard the same thing 50,000 times say 5 times a day you'd earn
$2,500, but it'd take you 5 years and 175 days. At $0.25 cents a day, you'd
be dead of starvation.
Be a bum instead.
--
Andy
http://tinyurl.com/dzl7h
Gabby
"Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
> On Tue 06 Dec 2005 07:13:04p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Gabby?
>
>> Mine is 'stakeholders' as in "We're planning a to build a new church.
>> We'll meet with the stakeholders for..." Bloody hell, you'll meet with
>> the parishioners.
>>
>> When I hear stakeholders, I think of vampire hunters. Yes, I know,
>> stakeholder is also the person who holds the money in a bet.
>
> I hear this used in business meetings far more often than it should be.
It's the buzzword in today's business world. I always find it funny when
it's used in the hospital. 'Patients' became 'clients' in the 70s, now
they're 'stakeholders'.
> I don't care for it either, although I admit I don't picture vampire
> hunters.
> From now on I probably will. :-)
Sorry! But it's such a fun visual. Picture torches, pitchforks and big
sharp sticks.
Gabby
Gabby
"Edwin Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
news:yktlf.3409$fO5....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
>
> You know, your post is basically different than the others so it is very
> unique.
Aghhh! There's another one I hate: qualifying 'unique'. It's either unique
or it isn't.
Gabby
Gabby
"Hairy" <ha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3vn5ueF...@individual.net...
> How about the misuse of the word "ME"?
> As in "Me and Mom went to the Mall today".
Or using 'myself' instead of 'I' as in "My friend and myself went to the
Mall today."
Gabby
Gabby
<dere...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1133940025.0...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Has anyone read "Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to
Punctuation" by Lynne Truss?
Gabby
Wayne Boatwright
Cook?
You write like I feel. Thanks, Paul!
Wayne Boatwright
Wheeler?
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:38:16 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> <pai...@CRAPnc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>1) The use of the word "quality" wthout a qualifier. There is low
>>quality, there is high quality, but by itself the word means nothing.
>
> When one uses 'quality' by itself ('this is a quality item') the
> 'high' is implicit.
Sort of like saying, "she's a classy broad"!
>>2) The use of the word "sharing" to mean exchange of information, as in
>>"let me share this story with you." Sharing is to divide something up
>>among two or more people. You can share a pie or a cake, but you cannot
>>share a story or an experience.
>
> Can you share a file? As on a network?
Sure. You take the first half of the file, I'll take the second half.
That way we can edit the file much faster. :-)
Wayne Boatwright
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
> news:Xns9724CDAA2B...@217.22.228.19...
>> On Tue 06 Dec 2005 07:13:04p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Gabby?
>>
>>> Mine is 'stakeholders' as in "We're planning a to build a new church.
>>> We'll meet with the stakeholders for..." Bloody hell, you'll meet
>>> with the parishioners.
>>>
>>> When I hear stakeholders, I think of vampire hunters. Yes, I know,
>>> stakeholder is also the person who holds the money in a bet.
>>
>> I hear this used in business meetings far more often than it should be.
>
> It's the buzzword in today's business world. I always find it funny
> when it's used in the hospital. 'Patients' became 'clients' in the 70s,
> now they're 'stakeholders'.
In the behavioral health organizaton where I work, it changed from
"clients" to "consumers". Yeah, right.
>> I don't care for it either, although I admit I don't picture vampire
>> hunters. From now on I probably will. :-)
>
> Sorry! But it's such a fun visual. Picture torches, pitchforks and big
> sharp sticks.
Picture Bela!
Wayne Boatwright
Parrish?
Heh! Pronouncing that makes you stutter. :-)
Wayne Boatwright
Morrow?
Given the condition things are in today, they probably mean "Third World"!
Except when you call someone a World Class Ass. Then I'm sure it means the
entire world. :-)
Dee Randall
"modom" <mo...@nonkoyote.com> wrote in message
news:kuicp1164809avvnm...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:57:15 GMT, address...@nyc.rr.com (Curly
> Sue) wrote:
>
>>
>>Mine is "move forward," as in "As we move forward (on this project)."
>>or less frequently, "Let's move forward" (i.e., go to the next agenda
>>item).
>>
>>If I actually moved forward every time this phrase was used, I'd be in
>>China.
>>
>
> I'm seeking to ban the use of "extreme" for a period not less than a
> used to mean a really big buch of something. I actually heard about a
> massive vacuum, once. What is the mass of a vacuum?
>
>
This is a new theory held by some scientists; newer than the old one of
'quantum mechanics.' I heard one speak of it the other day. Serious-ly.
Dee Dee
Dee Randall
"Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
> On Tue 06 Dec 2005 06:57:15p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Curly Sue?
>> Mine is "move forward," as in "As we move forward (on this project)."
>> or less frequently, "Let's move forward" (i.e., go to the next agenda
>> item).
>>
>> If I actually moved forward every time this phrase was used, I'd be in
>> China.
>
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
Reminding me of the comic strips of yore (another phrase of hate: "of
yore"?) when "Believe it or Not, by Ripley" said that if all the people in
China were in a line and walked into the sea, there would be no end to the
line. Does anyone remember that "Believe it or Not" tidbit? Is it still out
there?
Oh, Oh, Oh, "Does anyone remember": Is that another phrase of hate?
Just kidding!
Dee Dee
Dee Randall
> "David Hare-Scott" <com...@rotting.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Newsreaders should be fined $500 for every single offence and $2500 for
>> occurences in successive sentences.
>
> So how are things otherwise?
>
> Taking a turn in the thread, I'm getting tired of hearing the "F" word in
> every sentence. One of the schools here in CT now fines the students $103
> when they use that word in the school.
>
> Seems like know one cares to much about language arts. If we spent enuf
> time on spelling alot moor kids would be able two put too words together
> for conversation, you know.
Wonder what's the $3 "for," - processing the fine onto a credit card?
Dee Dee
Dee Randall
"notbob" <not...@nothome.com> wrote in message
news:7uSdndJKELv...@comcast.com...
> On 2005-12-07, Hairy <ha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You should check out some of the other groups that I participate in. RFC
>> is
>> brilliantly literate, in comparison.
>
>
> nb
I was talking to a cousin (on the phone) who was carrying on about the
people in his vicinity being so uneducated. During this conversation, he
used the word, "ain't." I wasn't seriously listening to his rant anyway, but
then my ears went deaf. He's a great guy and is excited about getting an
education at age 50. So he's in that world right now.
Dee Dee
Dee Randall
> And the lead in to so many statements, "I'm just saying..."
--
> Wayne Boatwright *¿*
Which translates into, "Let me bend your ear another moment and repeat the
same thing, because I have nothing more to say, and besides, you didn't
understand it the first time."
I catch myself doing this with f-i-l. But so many times, he doesn't get
it -- tee hee.
Dee Dee
Dee Randall
>> I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but there
> are
>> a couple that just drive me up a wall.
>>
>> 1. "At the end of the day." I have to bite my tongue to keep from
> asking,
>> "At the end of which day? Today? Some other day?" I simply hate it. I
>> would actually rather hear the antiquated expression, "when all is said
> and
>> done'. At least the latter is clear in its meaning.
>>
>> 2. This one used to be at the top of my list, at some point replaced by
>> number 1 above. When someone is making comparisons and states, "it's
> exactly
>> the same as ____, except ____...". The subjects are obviously not
>> exactly
>> the same because there are differences. Why not state the obvious and
>> say
>> something more to the point like, "this one is different from that one
>> because..."? This phrase has bothered me for many years, but less so
> since
>> everybody is now talking about "the end of the day".
>>
>> Yes, I know, hating these phrases has very little importance, but they
> drive
>> me nuts.
>
> As in "Me and Mom went to the Mall today".
> "So, I went car shopping today.....".
>
> These two make me grind my teeth a bit, though I admit, I'm not perfeck,
> neither.
> ;-)
> Dave
>
Oh, oh, oh -- I like "Her and me ...."
Dee Dee
MG
"Gabby" <Lavol...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:11pdi0g...@corp.supernews.com...
only had an apostrophe added, not 's
never heard of the exception regarding Jesus' name
Peter Aitken
news:fhBlf.13882$ea6....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
It's a bit more complicated.
- If the word ends with s but is singular, use just the apostrophe:
politics' true meaning
this species' earliest fossil
- If the word ends with a silent (unpronounced) s, use just the apostrophe:
Descartes' writings
Francois' house
Generally speaking you will be correct if you write it like you pronounce
it. Thus with "Sis's Place" you says "sissus" so you use 's and not just '
--
Peter Aitken
Nancy Young
"Pixmaker" <pixm...@comcast.net> wrote
> My absolutely up-the-wall driving misused word is "amount."
>
> Example (bad): a large amount of people attended the party.
>
> A-a-a-gh!
>
> I cringe whenever I hear this misconstruction.
>
> I learnt (well, it was a long time ago) the following rule:
>
> If you can count 'em, its "number of. . ."
> If you can't count 'em, then go ahead and use that word, if you must.
Right there with you, along with my peeve, people who use less when
they mean fewer.
nancy
Anthony
happens for a reason". Someone even said it to me when my wife was
diagnosed with cancer!
maxine in ri
"We sit down to have a chat
It's F-word this and F-word that
I can't control how you young people
Talk to one another
But I don't wanna hear you use
That F-word with your mother"
http://tinyurl.com/ber9o for full lyrics
Wayne Boatwright
Ye Gods! Why are some people so tactless?
--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________
Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974
Kate Connally
>
> I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but there are
> a couple that just drive me up a wall.
>
> 1. "At the end of the day." I have to bite my tongue to keep from asking,
> "At the end of which day? Today? Some other day?" I simply hate it. I
> would actually rather hear the antiquated expression, "when all is said and
> done'. At least the latter is clear in its meaning.
>
> 2. This one used to be at the top of my list, at some point replaced by
> number 1 above. When someone is making comparisons and states, "it's exactly
> the same as ____, except ____...". The subjects are obviously not exactly
> the same because there are differences. Why not state the obvious and say
> something more to the point like, "this one is different from that one
> because..."? This phrase has bothered me for many years, but less so since
> everybody is now talking about "the end of the day".
>
> Yes, I know, hating these phrases has very little importance, but they drive
> me nuts.
>
Okay, one that really gets me - not a phrase as such - is
"gal". I absolutely hate it when someone calls someone
a gal or says "guys and gals".
When I first got on Usenet about 14 years ago I really hated
a lot of the terminology - flame was one, but I've sort of
gotten used to it so it doesn't bother me as much, and also
it seems you don't hear it being used nearly as much these
days. But the one I still hate and always will is "newbie".
It just makes my skin crawl and my teeth grit. I think it
is used elsewhere in the same sense but you really get it
a lot on the newsgroups.
And then there are the phrases which are just poor grammar,
such as "as of yet". In fact you don't need the "as" but
I can tolerate "as yet", but the "of" is totally wrong here.
Then there's the way the cooks talk on tv, especially the ones
on the Culinary Institute of American show and others of
that ilk. They always add an unnecessary preposition to
every cooking verb - cook off, plate up, reduce down, etc.
(Yikes, for some reason I can't think of any good ones,
but I know I'm always gritting my teeth when I watch these
shows and they say this stuff.) Now there are some idiomatic
uses of prepositions after verbs that I'm fine with - "I'm
gonna fry me up a passel of greens." or "I'm going to cook
up a pot of grits." or "You have to boil off all the liquid
before you . . . >"
Well, that's just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could
come up with tons more stuff if I really thought about it.
;-)
Kate
Boron Elgar
wrote:
For some reason I hat the use of the phrase: "as it were."
My 9th grade algebra teacher used it all the time and I guess he
really ruined it.
Boron
Kate Connally
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
> news:Xns9724B772D6...@217.22.228.19...
> are
> > a couple that just drive me up a wall.
> >
>
> added This is just plain lazy and very often used by professional
> communicators who really should know better. I can understand words being
> coined to shorten speech that is over long but the phrase using "????wise"
> is nearly always longer and clumsier than without it.
>
> We have "How are we going scorewise?" instead of "What is the score?"
> We have "Temperaturewise it's been very hot" what the farnarkle is wrong
> with "It's been very hot"
> We are asked "What is the situation trafficwise?" instead of "How is the
> traffic?"
>
> Newsreaders should be fined $500 for every single offence and $2500 for
> occurences in successive sentences.
I use these on purpose to be facetious. Not very often,
though. Just when I'm feeling devil-wise.
Kate
Peter Aitken
news:439719B3...@pitt.edu...
LOL, I am with you! Another one I just thought of is "at this present point
in time" - otherwise known as "now".
--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm
Kate Connally
>
> On Tue 06 Dec 2005 07:13:04p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Gabby?
>
> > Mine is 'stakeholders' as in "We're planning a to build a new church.
> > We'll meet with the stakeholders for..." Bloody hell, you'll meet with
> > the parishioners.
> >
> > When I hear stakeholders, I think of vampire hunters. Yes, I know,
> > stakeholder is also the person who holds the money in a bet.
>
> don't care for it either, although I admit I don't picture vampire hunters.
> From now on I probably will. :-)
Hah! I, too, think of vampires, but then almost everything
makes me think of vampires. ;-)
Kate
Kate Connally
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
> news:Xns9724B772D6...@217.22.228.19...
> > I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but there
> are
> > a couple that just drive me up a wall.
> >
> asking,
> > "At the end of which day? Today? Some other day?" I simply hate it. I
> > would actually rather hear the antiquated expression, "when all is said
> and
> > done'. At least the latter is clear in its meaning.
> >
> > 2. This one used to be at the top of my list, at some point replaced by
> > number 1 above. When someone is making comparisons and states, "it's
> exactly
> > the same as ____, except ____...". The subjects are obviously not exactly
> > the same because there are differences. Why not state the obvious and say
> > something more to the point like, "this one is different from that one
> > because..."? This phrase has bothered me for many years, but less so
> since
> > everybody is now talking about "the end of the day".
> >
> > Yes, I know, hating these phrases has very little importance, but they
> drive
> > me nuts.
>
> As in "Me and Mom went to the Mall today".
> Also, starting a sentence with "So".
> "So, I went car shopping today.....".
>
> These two make me grind my teeth a bit, though I admit, I'm not perfeck,
> neither.
> ;-)
> Dave
What's worse, in my opinion, is the opposite, "She gave
it to my husband and I." I can take the me problem in
stride - it's wrong grammar-wise ;-), but has become
idiomatic. The other one is an "over-correction" that is
totally unnecessary. I guess it annoys be so much because
people are trying to show how grammatically they can
speak but end up showing they don't have a clue about
grammar. (Oops, I probably shouldn't have said "don't
have a clue", because now someone's going to put that
on the list of "phrases they hate". ;-))
Kate
Kate Connally
> > occurences in successive sentences.
>
>
> Taking a turn in the thread, I'm getting tired of hearing the "F" word in
> every sentence. One of the schools here in CT now fines the students $103
> when they use that word in the school.
Okay, like, you know, I want to know how the "F" they came up
with an amount like $103???? Three percent tax???
> Seems like know one cares to much about language arts. If we spent enuf
> time on spelling alot moor kids would be able two put too words together for
> conversation, you know.
It all fell apart when diagramming sentences was abandoned
in the schools. I say, if you learn how to take it apart
you know how to put one together. Most of the time, anyway -
I took a camera lens apart once and had a heck of a time
putting it back together. ;-)
Kate
Ophelia
> What's worse, in my opinion, is the opposite, "She gave
> it to my husband and I." I can take the me problem in
> stride - it's wrong grammar-wise ;-), but has become
> idiomatic. The other one is an "over-correction" that is
> totally unnecessary. I guess it annoys be so much because
> people are trying to show how grammatically they can
> speak but end up showing they don't have a clue about
> grammar. (Oops, I probably shouldn't have said "don't
> have a clue", because now someone's going to put that
> on the list of "phrases they hate". ;-))
I hate 'off of'
Kate Connally
>
> How big a fine for ____event?
>
> "It's the movie event of the year!" And now I also hear "weather event"
> far too often.
Ah, don't get me started on the weather reports on
tv. Nowadays they say "precip" instead of precipitation.
What's wrong with saying precipitation or even just rain/snow/etc.?
And "overnight". That's all you hear any more. What's
that all about anyway. "We're going to have some precip overnight."
They can't say, "There will be some rain during the night."?
And now they talk about "wakeup" - hey, guys, I have news for you -
not everyone gets up at the same time, fer cryin' out loud.
Oh, there's lots more. I can't even watch it any more. I just
try to check the web for weather if I really want to know that
badly.
Kate
Kate Connally
>
> On Tue 06 Dec 2005 10:50:39p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Moriarty?> > news:i7slf.13420$ea6....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >>
> >> "Wayne Boatwright" <wayne...@waynes.gang> wrote in message
> >> news:Xns9724B772D6...@217.22.228.19...
> >>> I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but
> >>> there are a couple that just drive me up a wall.
> >>>
> >>
> >> "wise" added This is just plain lazy and very often used by
> >> professional communicators who really should know better. I can
> >> understand words being coined to shorten speech that is over long but
> >> the phrase using "????wise" is nearly always longer and clumsier than
> >> without it.
> >>
> >> We have "How are we going scorewise?" instead of "What is the score?"
> >> We have "Temperaturewise it's been very hot" what the farnarkle is
> >> wrong with "It's been very hot"
> >> We are asked "What is the situation trafficwise?" instead of "How is
> >> the traffic?"
> >>
> >> for occurences in successive sentences.
> >>
> >>
> >> David
> >
> >
> > How big a fine for ____event?
> >
> > "It's the movie event of the year!" And now I also hear "weather event"
> > far too often.
>
> person said that Phoenix would be having "more weather" today.
And the other thing about weather reports is that they treat
the weather as though it's never done that before! Unless
it's a 100-year "weather event", you don't have to be so dramatic
about it and you don't have to spend so much time talking about
it. Just say, "High 70, low 45, scattered showers." and then
shut the "F" up. Does anyone really care about all the fronts
and whatnot.
And while I'm here ;-) what's with the wind directions?
It seems to me that a northerly wind should mean that the
wind is blowing in a northerly direction, i. e. from south
to north. However, it seems it actually means it is blowing
from north to south. This seems counter intuitive to me.
Perhaps I was born with reverse intuition or something. Now
I can see saying the the "north wind" comes from the north,
that makes sense. But the other thing is assbackwards.
Kate
Kate Connally
>
> Sue wrote:
>
> > Mine is "move forward," as in "As we move forward (on this project)."
> > or less frequently, "Let's move forward" (i.e., go to the next agenda
> > item).
> >
> > If I actually moved forward every time this phrase was used, I'd be in
> > China.
>
>
> Wonderful lampooning of bureaucratese.
>
> Bob
Ooh, ooh, ooh, I've got another one! Appreciative. I really
loathe that word. Nowadays it's, "I'm very appreciative of
you efforts in this matter," instead of "I appreciate your
efforts . . . ." Dethpicable. ;-)
Kate
Kate Connally
>
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > Seems like know one cares to much about language arts.
>
>
> Ex: "We rented some video's last night."
>
> Derek Juhl
A book you would love is "Eats, Shoots and Leaves".
Kate
P. S. I abhor the non-use of the the comma after the
penultimate item in a series. Drives me up the wall.
Nancy Young
"Kate Connally" <conn...@pitt.edu> wrote
> P. S. I abhor the non-use of the the comma after the
> penultimate item in a series. Drives me up the wall.
WAIT! That's how I was taught, and that final comma
always looks wrong to me.
nancy
Elaine Parrish
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Gabby wrote:
>
> "Elaine Parrish" <e...@ebicom.net> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.33.051207...@edison.ebicom.net...
>
> > A new mom and pop restaurant opened up here a couple of weeks ago.
> > Name: Sis's Place
> > sheesh.
>
> What's wrong with that? The rule says that the possessive of names that end
> in S is indicated by adding 'S -- exception is made for Jesus. It's
> different from forming the possessive of plurals.
>
> Gabby
>>
That's interesting. Must be "New English" to go along with "New Math".
Back when dirt was new, we were taught never to add the 's to any word
ending in an s.
It was not: Illinois's weather is cold in winter. Or, Mr. Jones's new car
is red. Or, Phyllis's dad is a doctor.
Why is "Jesus" an exception?
What is the rule when it is not pronounced Gee Zus, but is pronounced
Hey Seuss?
What about all the other words that are not plurals? Like "grass".
The grass'color is green? The grass's color is green?
That's just odd. I wonder if this is one of those "if you can't beat 'em,
join 'em" things?
Elaine, too
Kate Connally
>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > I don't have a long list of commonly used phrases that I hate, but there are
> > a couple that just drive me up a wall.
> >
> > "At the end of which day? Today? Some other day?" I simply hate it. I
> > would actually rather hear the antiquated expression, "when all is said and
> > done'. At least the latter is clear in its meaning.
> >
> > 2. This one used to be at the top of my list, at some point replaced by
> > number 1 above. When someone is making comparisons and states, "it's exactly
> > the same as ____, except ____...". The subjects are obviously not exactly
> > the same because there are differences. Why not state the obvious and say
> > something more to the point like, "this one is different from that one
> > because..."? This phrase has bothered me for many years, but less so since
> > everybody is now talking about "the end of the day".
> >
> > Yes, I know, hating these phrases has very little importance, but they drive
> > me nuts.
> >
> > Wayne Boatwright *¿*
> >
> > A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!
>
> "Would of" and "should of" drive me nuts. In speech you can get away
> with it. Would of sounds an awful lot like would've. But reading
> through usenet I see it everywhere.
Oh, yeah, one of my favorites!
> Using the word who when you should have used whom is perfectly
> acceptable in my book.
Not mine.
> It shows you to be a product of public
> education.
Well, I'm a product of public education, so "how come" I
know better?
> No shame in that. Using the word whom when you should have
> used who makes you look like an idiot.
Your argument is similar to mine for the "her and me went
to the store" vs. the "he told it to she and I" argument.
> Commas. I tell most folks to not even use them. Seeing commas,
> scattered haphazardly through a sentence, really gets me. "When in
> doubt, leave it out."
I agree that a lot of people use too many commas, but I am
just as perturbed by the use of too few commas. The new
school of punctuation is in favor of fewer commas, but I think
it is often carried to extremes and to the point where meaning
becomes unclear. I say, "When in doubt, consult a good grammar."
> "But that is neither here nor there." Oh yeah? Then where the Hell is
> it?
Hah, that's the whole point! ;-)
> Irregardless. Ugh.
>
> I'm sure there's more, but right now I've got to go punch something.
It is to be hoped (I dared not say "hopefully" ;-)) that you are
in the midst of making bread dough so that you can redirect your
aggression in a constructive manner.
Kate
Kate Connally
>
> <dere...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:1133940025.0...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> >> Seems like know one cares to much about language arts.
> >
> > "Apostrophe + s" for the plural is becoming dreadfully common.
> >
> > Ex: "We rented some video's last night."
>
> Punctuation" by Lynne Truss?
>
> Gabby
Yes, and I loved it, in spite of the fact that
I strongly disagree with some of the "rules" she
propounds.
Kate
Kate Connally
I, also. (or "Me, too.") That is what I learned.
I refuse to go by the new "rules". And when I see it
done that way it makes me cringe.
Kate
Kate Connally
Me, too! Number and fewer. I think for most of the world
these words don't exist anymore.
Kate
Jeneen Sommers
On Tue, 6 Dec 2005, Hairy wrote:
>
> How about the misuse of the word "ME"?
> As in "Me and Mom went to the Mall today".
...or "myself": "The hole was dug by Jack and myself".
...and the misuse of "literally": "It's literally pouring
buckets outside today".
Jeneen
Peter Aitken
news:dn7848$dmk$1...@news.monmouth.com...
It's correct, though. And necessary in some situations:
They served three kinds of sandwiches: tuna salad, peanut butter and jelly
and ham.
--
Peter Aitken
Wayne Boatwright
It's rather like the word "yonder" and its usage: "up yonder", "down
yonder", "over yonder". Years ago someone asked me exactly what "yonder"
mant. I replied, "It's anywhere you're not."
>> Irregardless. Ugh.
>>
>> I'm sure there's more, but right now I've got to go punch something.
>
> It is to be hoped (I dared not say "hopefully" ;-)) that you are
> in the midst of making bread dough so that you can redirect your
> aggression in a constructive manner.
>
> Kate
>
--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*