Paint Can Ladder Hook

[John Kuthe]

https://i.postimg.cc/t4tnFTDF/Paint-Can-Ladder-Hook.jpg

Mimizes trips up and down the ladder! :-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

John, you are a freaking genius. I'm positive no professional painter,
home handyman or do-it-yourselfer e.v.er. thought of a hook on a ladder
or even thought of using a ladder with a built-in tray to save those tiring
up and down trips to refill a paintbrush.

You should patent this!!!!!

<eye roll>

[John Kuthe]

Costs me less than $3 from Home Depot and did the job perfectly! I stood on the third step up painting up high and was perfectly comfortable! Have a Vegetarian STL Meal in the works right now and plan to paint the second coat this evening!

John Kuthe...

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 4:47:18 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> plan to paint the second coat this evening!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

What type of paint are you using that you're having to wait hours between
coats?

[Bruce]

What kind of paint do you use that you don't have to wait hours for it
to dry? Paint with added wet suppressant perhaps?

[Dave Smith]

Hey... I think I deserve an atttaboy and patent rights for my own
design,one of those sturdy old clothers hangers. Grab the middle of the
bottom part, pull it out like drawing a bow and arrow, then bend it over
in the corner.

[John Kuthe]

Don't have to, choose to!

Interior satin finish latex paint, applied heavily to soak into the original 1930 wooden doorframe. And that old interior dried wood needed that!

John Kuthe...

[John Kuthe]

I have found the best way to use it is to clip it on the handle of the paint can then open and lift it to hook the hook to the ladder. Keeps the paint can at reachable distance to dip a brush!

John Kuthe...

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 4:56:30 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> What kind of paint do you use that you don't have to wait hours for it
> to dry? Paint with added wet suppressant perhaps?
>

Water-based paints don't take hours to dry before it gets a second coat.

[John Kuthe]

That's the great thing about doing my own work, I can rest when I want! And ZI rest a LOT! My luxury! :-)

John Kuthe...

[Gary]

Actually Joan, even the quicker drying water-based paints
should alway get an overnight dry. They dry very quickly
to the touch but applying a 2nd coat too soon will soften
the first coat and... not good.

The surface drys fast then slows down the drying of
what's underneath.

Many small jobs might take about 6 hours total to
apply 2 coats but you don't do it all in one day.
Better to make it a 2 'half days' job.

[Gary]

The wire handles on an old paint bucket work well.
They're stronger than coat hanger wire.
I actually prefered them over the store bought "pot hooks."
I'll send a pic of one later if I remember to.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Dry to the touch in 1 hour. Minimum 4 hours before recoating. I'm
usually happy to wait more than four hours. It's not a race.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

They do. Read my other post on the subject.

They dry to the touch quickly but not completely hard.
Go over too soon and your second coat can start taking
off the first coat. Especially in corners where the paint
is heavier and much slower drying.

[Gary]

And those label directions are for ideal conditions.
Temp and humidity are a big factor.
One should always wait a day before a 2nd coat.

Also, rub your hand over the dry 1st coat and lightly sand
with a piece of used worn-out sandpaper, then dust before
repainting.

For interior trim, I always use 120 grit sandpaper for
first sanding and sanding newly primed wood. I always
save the used paper for the light sanding inbetween coats.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:00:16 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 9:39:23 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 4:56:30 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What kind of paint do you use that you don't have to wait hours for it
> > > > to dry? Paint with added wet suppressant perhaps?
> > > >
> > > Water-based paints don't take hours to dry before it gets a second coat.
> >
> > Dry to the touch in 1 hour. Minimum 4 hours before recoating. I'm
> > usually happy to wait more than four hours. It's not a race.
>
> And those label directions are for ideal conditions.
> Temp and humidity are a big factor.
> One should always wait a day before a 2nd coat.

I generally do, anyway. I'm all tuckered out after painting a single
room, because I'm not hardened to the work.

I can sit in an office chair typing all day long, though. I've been doing
that for more than 40 years.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sheldon Martin]

Depending on the paint and the surface painted the time between coats
varies. Drying and curing are different things. Paint can be dry to
the touch but not cured... paint will form an outer skin preventing it
from curing down to the surface painted... several light coats are
better than one or two heavy coats. Even light coats should be given
at least 24 hours between coats. It takes time for the drying agents
contained in paints to evaporate. Porous surfaces like masonaary cure
a lot faster than hard smooth surfaces like wallboard, metal, and
previously painted surfaces. For a proper paint job one must be
patient.

[Gary]

Don't ever use that tray to set your paint on.
That's a disaster just waiting to happen.
All this painting talk back and forth is highly amusing
to me. Keep it up.

[Gary]

No need to reinvent the wheel, John. I'm loving all this painting
advice. You could ask me but that's ok if you don't.

[Gary]

All that you said is true. :)

[Sheldon Martin]

Anyone who serves aboard a US Navy ship quickly becomes an expert
painter... everything that's not moving is either painted or
polished... everyone is responsible for painting or polishing their
own space. Very often paint is chipped/scraped before it's dry and
repainted.
The most used tool aboard ship:
https://cultofsea.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/scraper.jpg

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 4:36:02 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:

>
> "itsjoan...@webtv.net" wrote:
> >
> > What type of paint are you using that you're having to wait hours between
> > coats?
>
> Actually Joan, even the quicker drying water-based paints
> should alway get an overnight dry. They dry very quickly
> to the touch but applying a 2nd coat too soon will soften
> the first coat and... not good.
>
> The surface drys fast then slows down the drying of
> what's underneath.
>
> Many small jobs might take about 6 hours total to
> apply 2 coats but you don't do it all in one day.
> Better to make it a 2 'half days' job.
>

Sit down, this is going to be really disturbing to you. I've always
painted the second coat within an hour or two. The hour or two was a
break for lunch and then right back to the second coat. As far as the
longer drying time if I paint the same day, who cares? I'm not walking
on those walls nor am I sleeping on them. They can spend years, if need
be, to dry until I paint again as I want to be done and finished with
that chore.

[Hank Rogers]

Popeye, Back when yoose painted all of brooklyn, how long did it
take to dry?

[jay]

Many latex paints can be recoated in a couple hours.

"– To Touch 1 Hour (25 °C) @ 50% RH – To Recoat 1 – 2 Hours
Dry Time @ 77 °F Benjamin Moore Regal Interior."

I have done this many times and nothing bad happened. The paint will
dry faster than my recovery time on most days anyway.

[graham]

With a high quality paint, you might be able to get away with one coat
anyway.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 "tsjoannotjoann wrote:
>Gary wrote:

But you're talking finger paints! LOL

Why pay good money for quality paint if it's not used properly? If
you rush the drying/curing time the next time you paint in say five
years the new paint won't adhere well to that rushed coat... will
probably lift in areas and run down the wall. Of course if you're the
type who's not into quality and buy cheapo crappy paint results won't
matter to you. Today quality paint can be expensive, it'd be a shame
to waste it by not following the directions.
When you go to your dentist for a new crown and are told not to eat
certain foods for a while do you ignore your dentist's advice? If you
buy a new automobile for say $50,000 do you not follow the advice on
maintainance in the owner's manual?
We do all our own house painting but we follow the directions on the
paint can. We use Benjamin Moore paint, it costs more but does a
beautiful job... we more than double the recommended drying time
between coats. We've found that 2-3 light coats results in a much
better job than 1-2 heavy coats.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 05:19:07 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:00:16 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 9:39:23 PM UTC-4, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 4:56:30 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > What kind of paint do you use that you don't have to wait hours for it
>> > > > to dry? Paint with added wet suppressant perhaps?
>> > > >
>> > > Water-based paints don't take hours to dry before it gets a second coat.
>> >
>> > Dry to the touch in 1 hour. Minimum 4 hours before recoating. I'm
>> > usually happy to wait more than four hours. It's not a race.
>>
>> And those label directions are for ideal conditions.
>> Temp and humidity are a big factor.
>> One should always wait a day before a 2nd coat.
>
>I generally do, anyway. I'm all tuckered out after painting a single
>room, because I'm not hardened to the work.

Eat less. Also, eat less crap.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:06:18 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>

>> >They dry to the touch quickly but not completely hard.
>> >Go over too soon and your second coat can start taking
>> >off the first coat. Especially in corners where the paint
>> >is heavier and much slower drying.
>>
>> Depending on the paint and the surface painted the time between coats
>> varies. Drying and curing are different things. Paint can be dry to
>> the touch but not cured... paint will form an outer skin preventing it
>> from curing down to the surface painted... several light coats are
>> better than one or two heavy coats. Even light coats should be given
>> at least 24 hours between coats. It takes time for the drying agents
>> contained in paints to evaporate. Porous surfaces like masonaary cure
>> a lot faster than hard smooth surfaces like wallboard, metal, and
>> previously painted surfaces. For a proper paint job one must be
>> patient.
>
>All that you said is true. :)

This is a big moment. Sheldon said things that are true. I request a
minute of silence. Now cshenkie.

[Bruce]

That doesn't mean your quick and dirty method should be recommended to
the innocent.

[Bruce]

Depends if your painting or drenching.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 12:48:31 PM UTC-5, jay wrote:
>
> Many latex paints can be recoated in a couple hours.
>
> "– To Touch 1 Hour (25 °C) @ 50% RH – To Recoat 1 – 2 Hours
> Dry Time @ 77 °F Benjamin Moore Regal Interior."
>
> I have done this many times and nothing bad happened. The paint will
> dry faster than my recovery time on most days anyway.
>

I hear ya!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 2:04:41 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 "tsjoannotjoann wrote:
>
> >Sit down, this is going to be really disturbing to you. I've always
> >painted the second coat within an hour or two. The hour or two was a
> >break for lunch and then right back to the second coat. As far as the
> >longer drying time if I paint the same day, who cares? I'm not walking
> >on those walls nor am I sleeping on them. They can spend years, if need
> >be, to dry until I paint again as I want to be done and finished with
> >that chore.
>
> But you're talking finger paints! LOL
>
> Why pay good money for quality paint if it's not used properly? If
> you rush the drying/curing time the next time you paint in say five
> years the new paint won't adhere well to that rushed coat.
>

That's ridiculous. The new coat of paint won't have a clue if the paint
it is going over was applied within an hour or if I waited 24, 48, or 72
hours before the second paint. You think the old coat of paint is going
to be whispering to the new coat "I sure wish she had waited a full day
before applying my second day. Boo-hoo."??

>
> .. will
> probably lift in areas and run down the wall.
>

Fairy tale. By the time I paint again that wall is beyond being bone dry.

>
> Of course if you're the
> type who's not into quality and buy cheapo crappy paint results won't
> matter to you. Today quality paint can be expensive, it'd be a shame
> to waste it by not following the directions.
>

I always use high-quality paint and not a single solitary time have I had
a bad paint job when I put the second coat on within an hour or so.

>
> When you go to your dentist for a new crown and are told not to eat
> certain foods for a while do you ignore your dentist's advice? If you
> buy a new automobile for say $50,000 do you not follow the advice on
> maintainance in the owner's manual?
>

Apples and oranges. A dental crown is not wall paint. Never has been
never will be nor is a new car the same as painting a room.

>
> We do all our own house painting but we follow the directions on the
> paint can. We use Benjamin Moore paint, it costs more but does a
> beautiful job... we more than double the recommended drying time
> between coats. We've found that 2-3 light coats results in a much
> better job than 1-2 heavy coats.
>

Who in their right mind puts on heavy coats of paint? That wasn't even
part of the discussion. If you were to get a peek at my walls you'd not
know if I waited an hour between coats or a month.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 2:54:12 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> That doesn't mean your quick and dirty method should be recommended to
> the innocent.
>

The 'innocent' then should follow all the "you're not doing as I say to do,
this is pissing me off because you are not following my instructions" nay
sayers.

Feel better now that I've given a warning to the 'innocent'?

[Bruce]

Gary may be wrong about many things :), but he's a professional
painter. Thinking you know better than a professional is not smart.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:46:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> Gary may be wrong about many things :), but he's a professional
> painter. Thinking you know better than a professional is not smart.
>

Damn, I didn't know this was a competition! You should have let me know
and I'd put on painters overalls and a painters hat as well.

[Hank Rogers]

Popeye, yoose didn't use ben moore's paint on yoose diesel tank.
Yoose used el-cheapo rustoleum, but yoose almost popped yoose
buttons off with pride.

[Hank Rogers]

And sniff more, right?

[Hank Rogers]

Give 'em both a good long whiff Druce.

[Bruce]

A competition?

[cshenk]

Agreed with you and Gary.

Learned that one at Momma's knees. Taught my team that on ships. If
you wanted the preservative and paint to last 4-5 years, you waited a
day for a full cure before next set. Longer is acceptable.

Ships don't really have 'humidity control' (and none on outside skin
obviously) so you get what you get. If it rained when you didn't
expect it, wait a bit for next step.

[cshenk]

LOL, that and a heavy duty sander!

Gary, he speaks to ship painting, mostly exterior for that tool. You
laden the dark grey on pretty thick with second coat, then touch up
best as we can 2-3 times then scrape, sand, and put on the preservative
then 2 layers of grey.

Constant saltwater spray does a number on it for all the best we could
do. The second coat will stay tacky-to-the-touch for about 2-3 days.
First coat may as well for 2-3 days if exterior. JUst depends on the
local weather.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Yep, a competition. Who can out lecture each other in order to make me
follow their directions. You guys know how you like to be the boss.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 7:09:42 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>
> Learned that one at Momma's knees. Taught my team that on ships. If
> you wanted the preservative and paint to last 4-5 years, you waited a
> day for a full cure before next set. Longer is acceptable.
>
> Ships don't really have 'humidity control' (and none on outside skin
> obviously) so you get what you get. If it rained when you didn't
> expect it, wait a bit for next step.
>

If I were painting a ship I'd probably wait a full day for the paint to
dry which I'm pretty sure is not interior latex paint. I don't wait a
full day for it to dry as it hasn't rained on the inside of my house
since I've lived here. The chances of it raining on the inside and
ruining my efforts are nil.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:36:31 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 3:59:27 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:53:42 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Damn, I didn't know this was a competition! You should have let me know
>> >and I'd put on painters overalls and a painters hat as well.
>>
>> A competition?
>>
>Yep, a competition. Who can out lecture each other in order to make me
>follow their directions. You guys know how you like to be the boss.

I referred to Gary as the boss. Just in this case, of course.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 8:18:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> I referred to Gary as the boss. Just in this case, of course.
>

Uh-huh.

[Leo]

On 2020 Jul 13, , itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote
(in article<0ef33f6e-b931-45e3...@googlegroups.com>):

> Sit down, this is going to be really disturbing to you. I've always
> painted the second coat within an hour or two. The hour or two was a
> break for lunch and then right back to the second coat. As far as the
> longer drying time if I paint the same day, who cares? I'm not walking
> on those walls nor am I sleeping on them. They can spend years, if need
> be, to dry until I paint again as I want to be done and finished with
> that chore.

Over the years, I’ve painted every room in my house with water based
paint except the bathrooms. I even went from whitish to forest green to
whitish in the living room. By the time I finished two walls, one was dry
enough and I had two to go. And then, I’d repeat.Once, I painted a
popcorn ceiling with a roller, and that didn’t go well. That ceiling is
smooth, but painted, today. It’s the only one in the house like that.
On the other hand, I don’t paint fast and have had no interest in
painting more than one room in a day. So, unlike Gary, I paint a room as a
project, not a houseful of rooms as a job. Now, I won’t even stand on the
bottom rung of a ladder without support, so my iffy painting days are over.

[Ophelia]

"Leo" wrote in message
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I am very glad you recognise that:))

[Gary]

In reality, many companies make good and bad products.
Ben Moore is the alpha and carries the good reputation.
They do make good products but are way overcharging for them.
Like buying a new TV and paying extra for the name, "Sony."
Many other equally good brands for less.

In my painting, I usually do use Ben Moore. They are good,
and I don't care about the cost because the customer pays
for paint, not me. I'm just the middle man for paint. I buy
it and pass the cost on to the customer. Customers like
the name brand.

Again, in reality, some best products are from other companies
and often cost less.

Rustoleum is a very good paint for metal surfaces and
very inexpensive. The Ben Moore metal paint is way more
expensive and not as good.

For sealing wooden decks with clear sealer, Thompson's
Water Seal (oil based) is just as good as any other
brand on the market and about 1/4 the cost of many.
And I've tried several other brands and noted the results.

In my work truck, I always keep about 6 different kinds
of primer. None is an all in one. Each brand has a use
for specific situation.

[graham]

Some years ago I stripped the wallpaper off the walls in the hallway,
stairwell and upstairs hallway that had been there before we bought the
house. An intense, duck-egg blue was revealed. I bought a gallon of Behr
white primer, supposedly a premium paint from Home Depot. It didn't
obscure the old colour at all. I went back and bought CIL primer at a
much lower cost and it completely obscured the colour in one coat.

[Sheldon Martin]

I chose Rustoleum because of those new metalic colors, I used their
Hammered Copper on that tank and was very pleased with the results,
and only gave it one coat so far... I still have the second quart for
another coat when/if needed. One quart gave it a generous coat.
Everyone who sees it is very impressed and asks about that paint.
I saved myself a 40 mile round trip to the big hardware stores by
ordering it from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-239074-Hammered-1-Quart-Packaging/dp/B0010OKLO0/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=rustoleum+metallic+paint&qid=1594735023&sr=8-2
Looks good next to our yellow barn. Was quite a job setting up that
275 gallon tank and moving it into place by myself. Even empty it's
very heavy and with no handles was difficult to move.
I used an 8' 2" x 4" as a lever to lift one end at a time and swing it
into place on those concrete pads. First thing was to place it on one
end so I could screw in those legs, those are extras. All the parts
are extras, the gauge, the rotary pump, the vent pipe, the fill, and
fittings and valve on the underside for draining any condensation. I
had to set it at a slight angle to use that valve to drain water
acculations. I've since added a filter that catches particulates and
sucks out water... so far no water, the place I buy diesel gives a
clean product.
That tank saves me time, labor, and money. I got tired of having to
drive to a gas station to fill two five gallon cans with diesel each
week, and gas stations don't sell off-road diesel which isn't taxed as
high. Sears had the lowest price for that tank. The fuel oil dealers
wanted twice as much for a tank. Sears charged $434.00. With the
legs, gauge, fill, and vent it cost $536.50. I bought the crank pump
and filter from Amazon... don't remember the price and don't feel like
looking it up... probably another $150. Oh, and I had to buy a larger
pipe wrench than I had for those 2" legs and other fittings. Bought
the drain valve and those fittings too. The Rustoleum paint was the
least expensive part.
https://postimg.cc/3y3Xy2Sm
https://postimg.cc/BX81tmJd

[cshenk]

No, it doesn't 'rain inside' much but they don't dehumidify much
either. Depends on how modern the ship is and even the most modern,
don't work like a house. Condensation issues internal to the ship are
extremely common.

Honestly, I don't recall if the interior paint was latex or oil based
but older ships, I think it was oil based inside? I do recall at the
time oil based resisted salt better so was used exterior.

For the rest who've never been on a Navy ship, there is no drywall
inside. It's all metal and lagging.