Dear Sara Lee... (RE: Ball Park Franks)
Sqwertz
You've completely ruined the "Original" Ball Park "Meat" Franks.
Maybe nobody else is noticing, buy I've watched the quality of the
ingredients deteriorate over the last couple years, gradually
moving away from pork and beef to chicken, and all sorts of
combinations of more inferior ingredients and deceptive labeling
(such as combining "beef and pork" into one ingredient so that it
can appear first on the label when in fact Turkey was probably the
most prominent ingredient).
Your latest version has mechanically recovered turkey as it's main
ingredient. You folks have finally crossed the lowest threshold of
edibility and have created what I consider dog food. These things
are nasty. Heck, they're not even as good as the Bar S Franks you
can buy for a measly $.88/package (12oz). At least they're not
trying to fool anyone by changing their ingredients every 6-8
months.
Ball Park used to be a good name, but now it's lost all credibility
with me. I'll stick to buying other brands of beef hot dogs for
$1.25 more because your All-Beef version is too salty and not
enough flavor. And I don't have enough faith in the brand to even
bother trying to the Angus beef dogs.
Sorry to see a once good product go to the birds. I hope they fly
far, far away with them.
ImStillMags
I gave up Ball Park years ago. Nobody makes a good hot dog anymore.
Brooklyn1
wrote:
And you have the unmitigated chutzpah to denigrate Hillshire Farms and
SPAM... Ball Park Franks are and always have been by far the shittiest
tubesteak ever (Ball Park Dog Turds). When they first appeared in the
late '50s the Hygrade product was touted to 'plump when you cook
them', that's because they contained substantial "cereal". Vienna
sausage is superior to Ball Park. Oscar Mayer is a much better dawg
and those are crap. Anyone who eats Pall Park is severely afflicted
with CTIAD.
Sqwertz
> I gave up Ball Park years ago. Nobody makes a good hot dog anymore.
There are plenty of good hot dogs out there. Maybe your stores
just don't carry them.
I which I could get Casper's hot dogs here They have real sheep
casings and crunch when you bite into them. Theyre only available
in Northern California that I've seen (and you have to buy 3lbs at
a time but they freeze well).
-sw
Sqwertz
> I which I could get Casper's hot dogs here...
^^^^^
That's my New Jersey accent showing.
> Theyre only available
> in Northern California that I've seen (and you have to buy 3lbs at
> a time but they freeze well).
>
> http://www.sparsausage.com/
Ouch. $20/lb to have them shipped. That's twice the price of USDA
Prime rib roasts.
-sw
spamtrap1888
For SoCalians, the brand Hoffy, carried by Smart and Final, apparently
also makes natural casing dogs. But I haven't seen any in my local S&F.
Sqwertz
<yawn> Do you really think your food preferences and opinions have
any credibility here?
-sw
Serene Vannoy
Sqwertz
> I'd be willing to mail you some, if you want.
I appreciate the offer, but the shipping would still be too much.
Shipping prices on next-day and 2-day have gone through the roof
lately. I paid $19.50 last week just to send a letter overnight
(USPS). And it didn't get there until 2 days later.
-sw
tutall
Ah, thanks for trhe suggestion, have been going to Dittmers in Mtn
View when craving the best wurst.
Good stuff.
projectile vomit chick
Bryan
What is worse in my book is that Sara Lee killed off Wilno Kosher
salamis. Those were the best damned salamis.
--Bryan
Default User
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> I gave up Ball Park years ago. Nobody makes a good hot dog anymore.
The Johnsonville natural-casing weiners are pretty good. They're pork-based,
which I consider to be superior (never cared for beef dogs myself).
Brian
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Sqwertz
> "ImStillMags" <sitar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4a4cfc93-75a1-49ee...@v17g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>
>> I gave up Ball Park years ago. Nobody makes a good hot dog anymore.
>
> The Johnsonville natural-casing weiners are pretty good. They're pork-based,
> which I consider to be superior (never cared for beef dogs myself).
I have never seen any Johnsonville hot dogs. They must have
limited distribution on those.
Boars Head (another Sheldon favorite) is the only animal-cased dog
I can get at the regular grocer, and they're not that good. They
have two varieties, both overpriced (something like $8/lb). Sorry,
but that's USDA Choice steak price - not hot dog price.
-sw
Default User
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> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:09:02 -0600, Default User wrote:
>
>> "ImStillMags" <sitar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a4cfc93-75a1-49ee...@v17g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> I gave up Ball Park years ago. Nobody makes a good hot dog anymore.
>>
>> The Johnsonville natural-casing weiners are pretty good. They're
>> pork-based,
>> which I consider to be superior (never cared for beef dogs myself).
>
> I have never seen any Johnsonville hot dogs. They must have
> limited distribution on those.
It's been a little while. I don't find the product on their web site, so it
might have been discontinued. I will check the local supermarket. There, it
wasn't stocked with the regular hotdogs because the package was larger (like
24oz). The dogs were still connected, like the old-time cartoons, and were
in more of a pouch. They were with the smoked sausage.
George
Tobins was a good brand around here. They were packed loose in a white
box and every deli case had them. Morrell bought them at some point and
now they are big box crap that would be in Sheldons shopping cart. The
regional family owned market where we but most of our groceries doesn't
even stock them anymore because of feedback.
Nathans are about the only mass produced dogs worth buying. I can get
good dogs at a butcher shop I know but I seldom go to their area anymore.
Brooklyn1
>
>I gave up Ball Park years ago. Nobody makes a good hot dog anymore.
Sabrett makes an excellent dawg if you can find the ones in natural
casings.. they're the ones sold at the NYC carts. Their skinless
franks are ordinary, like modern Nathan's. Hardly anyone makes
natural casing frankfurters anymore. I don't consider the skinless
variety real hotdogs, they're really no different from Vienna sausage
except they're in plastic packs instead of cans.
Some stupidmarket chains in NY sell the natural casing Sabretts (maybe
elsewhere too), but they ain't cheap, they're sold by the pound, 'bout
$7. It's not difficult to make ones own dawgs if you have a smoker...
just not worth the trouble unless you make a LOT an dcan eat a LOT...
natural casing dawgs don't freeze well.
Can buy on line but I think they're too pricey:
http://www.sabrett.com/hotdogs.cfm
Wayne Boatwright
>
> On 13-Dec-2010, ImStillMags <sitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Ball Park used to be a good name, but now it's lost all
>> > credibility with me. I'll stick to buying other brands of beef
>> > hot dogs for $1.25 more because your All-Beef version is too
>> > salty and not enough flavor. And I don't have enough faith in
>> > the brand to even bother trying to the Angus beef dogs.
>> >
>> > Sorry to see a once good product go to the birds. I hope they
>> > fly far, far away with them.
>>
>> I gave up Ball Park years ago. Nobody makes a good hot dog
>> anymore.
>
> I had not eaten hotdogs/franks/weiners in years, until very
> recently. Proably the last I had would have been at a Cardinals
> game, some 15 or more years ago. Recently, I developed a craving
> for a hotdog and set out to buy one. I bought Ball Park franks
> and was disappointed. I went to a small specialty grocer who
> claimed to be selling the same franks as sold at Busch Stadium - I
> was disappointed again.
>
> Finally, I went to butcher shop near St. Louis's German and
> Italian communities, G and W Bavarian Style Sausage Co. They
> were pretty busy with the seasonal work of processing deer; but, I
> found a parking place and spent quite a few minutes drooling over
> (but, not on) all the great looking cuts of meat and sausages. I
> left with what turns out to be the best balogna and
> (natural-casing) franks I've had since childhood. I especially
> like the "snap" of a natural-casing frank; I care not one whit
> what is actually in these, they simply taste as good as the ones I
> recall from my childhood, 50+ years ago. Now, if I could just
> get a great bun; maybe the New England style that you can
> toast(grill) the sides
>
>
Within walking distance of my office is Schneider's Sausage Co.,
where you can get exactly that kind of hot dog and virtually any
other good sausage type as well as the best "cold cuts" I've ever
eaten.
--
~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~
~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~
**********************************************************
Wayne Boatwright
Daniel W. Rouse Jr.
> Dear Mrs. Lee,
>
> You've completely ruined the "Original" Ball Park "Meat" Franks.
> Maybe nobody else is noticing, buy I've watched the quality of the
> ingredients deteriorate over the last couple years, gradually
> moving away from pork and beef to chicken, and all sorts of
> combinations of more inferior ingredients and deceptive labeling
> (such as combining "beef and pork" into one ingredient so that it
> can appear first on the label when in fact Turkey was probably the
> most prominent ingredient).
>
> Your latest version has mechanically recovered turkey as it's main
> ingredient. You folks have finally crossed the lowest threshold of
> edibility and have created what I consider dog food. These things
> are nasty. Heck, they're not even as good as the Bar S Franks you
> can buy for a measly $.88/package (12oz). At least they're not
> trying to fool anyone by changing their ingredients every 6-8
> months.
>
After tasting the original Ball Park franks once, I only bought the all beef
variety afterwards.
> Ball Park used to be a good name, but now it's lost all credibility
> with me. I'll stick to buying other brands of beef hot dogs for
> $1.25 more because your All-Beef version is too salty and not
> enough flavor. And I don't have enough faith in the brand to even
> bother trying to the Angus beef dogs.
>
Grill them and they are less salty and full of flavor. The Angus beef hot
dogs taste more like a kielbasa than an actual hot dog.
> Sorry to see a once good product go to the birds. I hope they fly
> far, far away with them.
They should discontinue the originals and focus only on making the beef hot
dogs.
Sqwertz
> Finally, I went to butcher shop near St. Louis's German and Italian
> communities, G and W Bavarian Style Sausage Co. They were pretty busy with
> the seasonal work of processing deer; but, I found a parking place and spent
> quite a few minutes drooling over (but, not on) all the great looking cuts
> of meat and sausages. I left with what turns out to be the best balogna
> and (natural-casing) franks I've had since childhood. I especially like the
> "snap" of a natural-casing frank; I care not one whit what is actually in
> these, they simply taste as good as the ones I recall from my childhood, 50+
> years ago. Now, if I could just get a great bun; maybe the New England
> style that you can toast(grill) the sides
Yep, quality dogs can still be found. Someplace in Austin must
bake those buns because they use them at a local hot dog trailer.
-sw
Sqwertz
> It's not difficult to make ones own dawgs if you have a smoker...
You don't know shit about making hot dogs. Hot dogs are one of the
most difficult sausages to make and smoke at home since they are
carefully emulsified and smoked at very strict temperatures to keep
the fat and meats homogenized.
You really don't have a clue about anything, do you. You and Jerry
Sauk would get along well since you both love talking out of your
ass.
-sw
Sqwertz
> What is worse in my book is that Sara Lee killed off Wilno Kosher
> salamis. Those were the best damned salamis.
They (Sara Lee's minions) also got rid of Best's Kosher brand of
hot dogs and sausages recently (the ones CostCo used to carry/sell
at the snack bar).
-sw
Virginia Tadrzynski
"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
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BJ's carries Sabrett's in our area (Eastern PA). What about Nathan's and
Hebrew Nationals? They seem to be fairly easy to locate, or is that only on
the east coast?
-g
blake murphy
> "l, not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:
>
>> I had not eaten hotdogs/franks/weiners in years, until very recently.
>> Proably the last I had would have been at a Cardinals game, some 15 or
>> more years ago. Recently, I developed a craving for a hotdog and set
>> out to buy one. I bought Ball Park franks and was disappointed. I
>> went to a small specialty grocer who claimed to be selling the same
>> franks as sold at Busch Stadium - I was disappointed again.
>
> At the wholesale club I spotted a jumbo package of Sabrett hot dogs. I
> thought to myself, Jackpot! A NYC sidewalk stand every few steps in any
> direction. ;)
>
> Once home I boiled two up, lathered them with mustard and commenced
> eating.
>
> At bite number one, something tasted terribly wrong. I went to the
> fridge to inspect the package. Sabrett "Sausages." After this discovery,
> I was OK with the rest of them. Except why would the wholesale club not
> carry the more popular, imho, "street meat" (NYC) hot dogs that I was
> expecting?!?
>
> Andy
the nerve of those people, expecting you to read the package labeling!
blake
spamtrap1888
Best made all the hot dogs sold at White Sox Park, too. I wonder who's
supplying them now.
In the Bay Area, Mollie Stone carried Best Kosher cold cuts.
Brooklyn1
>"Brooklyn1" wrote:
>> ImStillMags wrote:
>>>
>>>I gave up Ball Park years ago. Nobody makes a good hot dog anymore.
>>
>> Sabrett makes an excellent dawg if you can find the ones in natural
>> casings.. they're the ones sold at the NYC carts. Their skinless
>> franks are ordinary, like modern Nathan's. Hardly anyone makes
>> natural casing frankfurters anymore. I don't consider the skinless
>> variety real hotdogs, they're really no different from Vienna sausage
>> except they're in plastic packs instead of cans.
>>
>> Some stupidmarket chains in NY sell the natural casing Sabretts (maybe
>> elsewhere too), but they ain't cheap, they're sold by the pound, 'bout
>> $7. It's not difficult to make ones own dawgs if you have a smoker...
>> just not worth the trouble unless you make a LOT an dcan eat a LOT...
>> natural casing dawgs don't freeze well.
>>
>> Can buy on line but I think they're too pricey:
>> http://www.sabrett.com/hotdogs.cfm
>
>BJ's carries Sabrett's in our area (Eastern PA).
As I said, Sabrett makes skinless and natural casing... I doubt BJ's
sells the natural casing.
>What about Nathan's and Hebrew Nationals?
They stopped making natural casing dawgs many years ago.
If they're sold in a sealed plastic pack they are skinless. Natural
casing dawgs are sold loose, by the pound, the links will even be
attached and often still have the strings. There are still some stand
alone butcher shops that make their own frankfurters, some pretty
good, more often lousy and pricey. Boar's head also makes two types,
the ones in plastic packs are in man made casing... the real deal is
sold loose (attached links) as described, not easy to locate. Real
natural casing frankfurters are very labor intensive, and have a short
shelf life (only a few days in the fridge), ergo the high cost.
However skinless dawgs are spit out of the machine faster than the eye
can see... can be kept refrigerated unopened for well over a month and
can be frozen for up to three months. I happen to like hot dogs; I
usually buy the three pound packs of Sabrett, Nathan's, or Hebrew
National. Pathmark stupidmarkets on Lung Guyland sold natural casing
Sabrett but I haven't located any natural casing franks up here in the
boonies. Nathan's Coney Island may still sell natural casing franks
but none of their other outlets ever did.
This month is Frank "The Voice" Sinatra's 95th birthday.
Ranée at Arabian Knits
<4a4cfc93-75a1-49ee...@v17g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
ImStillMags <sitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I gave up Ball Park years ago. Nobody makes a good hot dog anymore.
I am still desolate over the loss of Best's Kosher hot dogs, but
Coleman's beef hot dogs and Trader Joe's uncured beef hot dogs are
pretty good substitutes. Not _as_ good, but decent and still tasty.
Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits
"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
Ranée at Arabian Knits
"Default User" <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> They're pork-based,
> which I consider to be superior (never cared for beef dogs myself).
That's funny to me. I grew up eating moderately halal (i.e., my mom
got conventional food, but not pork). When I converted and started
eating pork, hot dogs were the only thing I still preferred in the beef
version.
Doug Freyburger
>
> I am still desolate over the loss of Best's Kosher hot dogs
One time I got a package of every brand of hot dog I could find to
benchmark them. I discovered that the top brands were a near tie among
Boars Head, Hebrew National and Shofar. Since then I've general bought
any kosher brand of hot dogs not because we have any interest in kosher
food but because it's an easy way to get the better tasting ones.
spamtrap1888
At the end, Shofar, Wilno, and Best were all Sara Lee brands. Their
hechsher belonged to their inhouse rabbis.
Default User
news:arabianknits-9FDC...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <8mngbe...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Default User" <defaul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> They're pork-based,
>> which I consider to be superior (never cared for beef dogs myself).
>
> That's funny to me. I grew up eating moderately halal (i.e., my mom
> got conventional food, but not pork). When I converted and started
> eating pork, hot dogs were the only thing I still preferred in the beef
> version.
I grew up on pork dogs, mainly the old Oscar Mayer Wieners before they
started adulterating them with poultry.
Brian
--
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Current music playing: None.
Doug Freyburger
> Dear Mrs. Lee,
I love Gallo Salame that's available on the west coast. Please
reconsider it's regional only distribution.
I actually wrote them asking that at one point. I got a nice thanks but
no thnaks letter back in reply. Then I went on eBay and bought some
from a regional shipper. Expensive but when you want your favorite you
want your favorite.
Bryan
If you like great pork salami, Volpi.
http://www.volpifoods.com/
The hot sopressata is especially good.
--Bryan
sf
Frankly, Gallo needs to stay regional (hopefully Columbus, another
good hard salame, is still local too). Same goes for See's candy.
The argument against national distribution is to look at what happened
with the quality of Coors and Bruce Aidells after they went national.
Stay regional and keep the quality high.
--
Never trust a dog to watch your food.
Sqwertz
> If they're sold in a sealed plastic pack they are skinless.
Every natural casing hot dog I know is sold in plastic, even your
second favorite brand, Boars Head. Caspars, National Coney Island,
Wimmers, Vienna... Should I name a dozen more?
> Boar's head also makes two types,
> the ones in plastic packs are in man made casing...
Oh, you mean like THESE natural casing franks sold in plastic?
http://www.boarshead.com/digicatessen.php?categoryID=8
Do get some sort of sexual arousal by talking about of you ass?
[snip rest of the BS unread}
-sw
Sqwertz
> Do get some sort of sexual arousal by talking about of you ass?
Oops. That must have been my ass typing.
-sw
Ranée at Arabian Knits
Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
We used to be able to get Boar's Head where we used to live, but I've
seen no sign of it here. Theirs were pretty good. I've never seen
Shofar. I don't particularly care for Hebrew National.
projectile vomit chick
> > rolls was Woolworth lunch counters. It was a very sad day for me when
> > Woolworth stores closed in the US; the last one in St. Louis was right
> > across from my office and was among my favorite lunch spots.
>
> There was a Woolworths in center city Philly. My wife took me there
Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhhh.....yer wife....
Paco
"projectile vomit chick" <projektile...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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AKA Blow-up Betty.
Wayne Boatwright
>
> On 13-Dec-2010, Sqwertz <sqw...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
>> Yep, quality dogs can still be found. Someplace in Austin must
>> bake those buns because they use them at a local hot dog trailer.
>>
>> -sw
>
> Here in St. Louis, the only place I know that used the New
> England-style rolls was Woolworth lunch counters. It was a very
> sad day for me when Woolworth stores closed in the US; the last
> one in St. Louis was right across from my office and was among my
> favorite lunch spots.
>
> I may have to try making those rolls, surely Google can turn up a
> few recipes to try.
I genuinely miss the "five and dimes". Woolworth's, Kresge's, and
other smaller chains all carried things that seem impossible to find
today. I liked the lunch counters, too. Some of my favorite things
were their open-faced hot roast beef sandwiches with mashed potatoes,
BLTs served with pickle slices and potato chips., grilled cheese
sandwiches with a cup of soup, malted milkshakes made with Horlick's
malt, etc..
Sky
> On Tue 14 Dec 2010 08:39:41a, l, not -l told us...
>
>>
>> On 13-Dec-2010, Sqwertz<sqw...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, quality dogs can still be found. Someplace in Austin must
>>> bake those buns because they use them at a local hot dog trailer.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Here in St. Louis, the only place I know that used the New
>> England-style rolls was Woolworth lunch counters. It was a very
>> sad day for me when Woolworth stores closed in the US; the last
>> one in St. Louis was right across from my office and was among my
>> favorite lunch spots.
>>
>> I may have to try making those rolls, surely Google can turn up a
>> few recipes to try.
>
> I genuinely miss the "five and dimes". Woolworth's, Kresge's, and
> other smaller chains all carried things that seem impossible to find
> today. I liked the lunch counters, too. Some of my favorite things
> were their open-faced hot roast beef sandwiches with mashed potatoes,
> BLTs served with pickle slices and potato chips., grilled cheese
> sandwiches with a cup of soup, malted milkshakes made with Horlick's
> malt, etc..
Yeah, the bygone days of yore (sigh)! And 'service' was a given, not
optional! It was a sad day when Woolworth went out of business. Alas,
many other companies have also :/ Dang, WW (and I mean Woolworth!!) did
make a mean malted chocolate shake, eh!\
Sky
--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!
Bryan
>
> The argument against national distribution is to look at what happened
> with the quality of Coors and Bruce Aidells after they went national.
>
--Bryan
sf
It wasn't and you'd know that if you ever drank it before it went
national.
Dan Abel
sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
I suspect that he wasn't of legal age back then.
And you know what they say about youth being wasted on the young.
Perhaps he drank it back then, but most youngsters don't have very
sophisticated tastes.
A lot of the deal with Coors was storage and handling. Once they went
national they lost control of that.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
spamtrap1888
> In article <njphg65pq3ij779e27qcc97vv0puthu...@4ax.com>,
Coors made a point of constantly needing to be refrigerated back when
it was a cult beer. Now Coors is kept at room temperature. Then it was
brewed only in Golden, at normal strength. Now it's brewed at high
gravity to be diluted elsewhere.
Doug Freyburger
>
> I genuinely miss the "five and dimes". Woolworth's, Kresge's, and
> other smaller chains all carried things that seem impossible to find
> today.
"Dollar Tree" and "99 Cent Only" stores fill that niche now. They do
not have lunch counters.
> I liked the lunch counters, too. Some of my favorite things
> were their open-faced hot roast beef sandwiches with mashed potatoes,
> BLTs served with pickle slices and potato chips., grilled cheese
> sandwiches with a cup of soup, malted milkshakes made with Horlick's
> malt, etc..
There are lunch counters at plenty of the discount stores like Target
and Kmart. The food there is not very good.
Doug Freyburger
> Doug Freyburger <dfre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I love Gallo Salame that's available on the west coast. Please
>> reconsider it's regional only distribution.
>>
>> I actually wrote them asking that at one point. I got a nice thanks but
>> no thnaks letter back in reply. Then I went on eBay and bought some
>> from a regional shipper. Expensive but when you want your favorite you
>> want your favorite.
>
> Frankly, Gallo needs to stay regional (hopefully Columbus, another
> good hard salame, is still local too). Same goes for See's candy.
> The argument against national distribution is to look at what happened
> with the quality of Coors and Bruce Aidells after they went national.
>
> Stay regional and keep the quality high.
We have Columbus here. It's very good but I happen to prefer the drier
style of Gallo. Tastes vary.
Sees candy breaks the rule. They have gradually spread and the quality
has not dropped. Probably the difference is a management team that
stays focused on customer service and quality and keeps the growth slow
and steady.
Ema Nymton
> BJ's carries Sabrett's in our area (Eastern PA). What about Nathan's and
> Hebrew Nationals? They seem to be fairly easy to locate, or is that only on
> the east coast?
> -g
Sam's Club sells Nathan's Polish dogs in their cafe, and I really like
those hot dogs. They sell them by the case, so I bought some. They are
frozen, and I can not find buns to fit them, but I still love 'em.
Becca
sf
wrote:
I used to like them when CostCo served them at their hotdog stands -
before the great remodel. Sam's doesn't sell appropriate buns? I'm
surprised! Would a steak roll work?
Bryan
> > On Dec 14, 4:42 pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The argument against national distribution is to look at what happened
> > > with the quality of Coors and Bruce Aidells after they went national.
>
> > Coors was always crap.
>
> It wasn't and you'd know that if you ever drank it before it went
> national.
>
1970s. It was just as bad a pisswater as the local stuff (A-B), but
it was forbidden fruit. I had Aidell's chicken apple sausage years
ago in Point Reyes, and I had it maybe 5,6,7 years ago here from a
Wild Oats. I didn't notice any difference, but it had been quite a
few years since we'd had it out there. An argument for "national
distribution" is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, which is still the same
yummy. I wish they'd put it in cans though, for canoeing.
--Bryan
Bryan
> In article <njphg65pq3ij779e27qcc97vv0puthu...@4ax.com>,
>
> sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:23:22 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> > <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 14, 4:42 pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The argument against national distribution is to look at what happened
> > > > with the quality of Coors and Bruce Aidells after they went national.
>
> > > Coors was always crap.
>
> > It wasn't and you'd know that if you ever drank it before it went
> > national.
>
> I suspect that he wasn't of legal age back then.
I'm fifty years old, and legality did very little to restrict my
access to beer. When I was in 7th grade, parents would let us drink
beer on holidays, weddings etc. and there was always an older person
who'd buy it for us.
>
> And you know what they say about youth being wasted on the young.
> Perhaps he drank it back then, but most youngsters don't have very
> sophisticated tastes.
The best beers we could get were Heineken, Grolsch, Beck's, St. Pauli
Girl, Carlsberg, Lowenbrau (made in Canada), Moosehead, and the
Michelobs, none of which I'd buy these days, other than Michelob for
the sole reason that you can get it in cans, and glass is (rightly)
prohibited on Missouri's waterways.
>
> A lot of the deal with Coors was storage and handling. Once they went
> national they lost control of that.
Coors was never anything special. Commercial pisswater.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
--Bryan
Stu
wrote:
>On 12/14/2010 8:51 AM, Virginia Tadrzynski wrote:
Becca, do you have a Costco close? If so the buns used for their dogs
in the cafeteria are the same as the ones they sell in house and they
will fit Nathans dogs.
spamtrap1888
Bryan demonstrates why rate-it-yourself beer sites are worthless.
Adding more Bryans does not improve the average review quality.
Bryan
I suppose you like the taste of commercial pisswater. Coors was never
any worse than Busch or Miller, or any of the other interchangeable
pisswaters. It was cold filtered, which would make a difference only
if it was decent to begin with. Now there are plenty of beers made in
the USA that are great, none of them by A-B or Miller, the closest
being A-B InBev's 50% stake in Modelo, as their dark is pretty good.
--Bryan
sf
<bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I suppose you like the taste of commercial pisswater. Coors was never
> any worse than Busch or Miller, or any of the other interchangeable
> pisswaters. It was cold filtered, which would make a difference only
> if it was decent to begin with.
Oooookay, Bryan. You know everything. We acquiesce to your greater
knowledge of pisswater since you consumed a lot of it as an underage
drinker.
The rest of us who know how Coors really measured up have our own
opinion, which apparently it differs from yours.
> Now there are plenty of beers made in
> the USA that are great, none of them by A-B or Miller, the closest
> being A-B InBev's 50% stake in Modelo, as their dark is pretty good.
Negra Modelo isn't just pretty good, it's very good.
Sqwertz
> There are lunch counters at plenty of the discount stores like Target
> and Kmart. The food there is not very good.
Target used to have Vienna Beef hot dogs, but now they're a no-name
brand. Most in my area serve Pizza Hut personal pizzas and
pretzels along with that, not sure what else.
-sw
Sqwertz
> Sam's Club sells Nathan's Polish dogs in their cafe, and I really like
> those hot dogs. They sell them by the case, so I bought some. They are
> frozen, and I can not find buns to fit them, but I still love 'em.
CostCo's Kirkland brand fit white bread perfectly when cut in half.
I am not a stickler for actual hot dog buns unless they're the kind
l mentioned, which are great for 1/4lb hot dogs of normal length
(eg, Hebrew National Knockwurst)
-sw
Sqwertz
> In article <njphg65pq3ij779e2...@4ax.com>,
> sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:23:22 -0800 (PST), Bryan
>> <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 14, 4:42 pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The argument against national distribution is to look at what happened
>>> > with the quality of Coors and Bruce Aidells after they went national.
>>> >
>>> Coors was always crap.
>>>
>> It wasn't and you'd know that if you ever drank it before it went
>> national.
>
> I suspect that he wasn't of legal age back then.
Pete's Wicked Ale was another Bay Area invention that went to shit
when it went national.
-sw
Bryan
>
> > I suppose you like the taste of commercial pisswater. Coors was never
> > any worse than Busch or Miller, or any of the other interchangeable
> > pisswaters. It was cold filtered, which would make a difference only
> > if it was decent to begin with.
>
> Oooookay, Bryan. You know everything. We acquiesce to your greater
> knowledge of pisswater since you consumed a lot of it as an underage
> drinker.
I have consumed an astounding amount of pisswater.
>
> The rest of us who know how Coors really measured up have our own
> opinion, which apparently it differs from yours.
>
> > Now there are plenty of beers made in
> > the USA that are great, none of them by A-B or Miller, the closest
> > being A-B InBev's 50% stake in Modelo, as their dark is pretty good.
>
> Negra Modelo isn't just pretty good, it's very good.
>
OK, it is very good for pasteurized bottle beer. I bet it'd be lovely
fresh from a keg. It's the only Mexican beer I ever order, and the
only other that I've ever had that was good at all was their Especial,
and it is one of the best beers that you can get in aluminum cans (24
oz.). Corona and Pacifico are bad and Tecate is worse. I so much
wish that they'd put Negra Modelo in cans.
--Bryan
Bryan
> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:19:14 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
> > sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:23:22 -0800 (PST), Bryan
> >> <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Dec 14, 4:42 pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> > The argument against national distribution is to look at what happened
> >>> > with the quality of Coors and Bruce Aidells after they went national.
>
> >>> Coors was always crap.
>
> >> It wasn't and you'd know that if you ever drank it before it went
> >> national.
>
> > I suspect that he wasn't of legal age back then.
Haha. "Of legal age." Like I EVER respected those sort of laws.
>
> Pete's Wicked Ale was another Bay Area invention that went to shit
> when it went national.
I had thought that my tastes had just changed. Back long before the
no-glass-on-the-rivers law. I chased a Pete's that was bobbing upside
down in a beer snuggie after I flipped my kayak where Welch Spring
empties into the Current River. I swam a long way in sixty-something
degree water before I snatched it. That may have been the last time I
ever took glass on the river.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/24589645
>
> -sw
--Bryan
Ema Nymton
A steak roll would work. I am trying to eat less bread, so I don't
mind, but my husband does. lol On a regular bun, the hot dog extends
from each end about an inch.
Becca
Ema Nymton
> Becca, do you have a Costco close? If so the buns used for their dogs
> in the cafeteria are the same as the ones they sell in house and they
> will fit Nathans dogs.
We do not have a Costo near me, but thanks for letting me know. I will
get my son to pick up some buns for me.
Becca
Gorio
ImStillMags;1560278 Wrote:
> On Dec 13, 9:46*am, Sqwertz sqwe...@cluemail.compost wrote:-
> Dear Mrs. Lee,
>
> You've completely ruined the "Original" Ball Park "Meat" Franks.
> Maybe nobody else is noticing, buy I've watched the quality of the
> ingredients deteriorate over the last couple years, gradually
> moving away from pork and beef to chicken, and all sorts of
> combinations of more inferior ingredients and deceptive labeling
> (such as combining "beef and pork" into one ingredient so that it
> can appear first on the label when in fact Turkey was probably the
> most prominent ingredient).
>
> Your latest version has mechanically recovered turkey as it's main
> ingredient. *You folks have finally crossed the lowest threshold of
> edibility and have created what I consider dog food. These things
> are nasty. *Heck, they're not even as good as the Bar S Franks you
> can buy for a measly $.88/package (12oz). *At least they're not
> trying to fool anyone by changing their ingredients every 6-8
> months.
>
> Ball Park used to be a good name, but now it's lost all credibility
> with me. *I'll stick to buying other brands of beef hot dogs for
> $1.25 more because your All-Beef version is too salty and not
> enough flavor. *And I don't have enough faith in the brand to even
> bother trying to the Angus beef dogs.
>
> Sorry to see a once good product go to the birds. *I hope they fly
> far, far away with them.-
>
> I gave up Ball Park years ago. Nobody makes a good hot dog anymore.
I bet that, if you checked out some local butcher shops you could find
it. For prepackaged stuff, look for Usingers. They stick with some
decent ingredients and are spiced right.
--
Gorio
Gorio
Franks and Hebrew are a but greasy for me. To each his/her own, though.
--
Gorio
Sqwertz
> I bet that, if you checked out some local butcher shops you could find
> it. For prepackaged stuff, look for Usingers. They stick with some
> decent ingredients and are spiced right.
We really don't have butchers any more. And Usingers are $6lb ad
don't have natural casings (at least the ones I saw didn't).
-sw
Daniel W. Rouse Jr.
news:1weelopmvg0x5$.dlg@sqwertz.org...
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:27:50 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> If they're sold in a sealed plastic pack they are skinless.
>
> Every natural casing hot dog I know is sold in plastic, even your
> second favorite brand, Boars Head. Caspars, National Coney Island,
> Wimmers, Vienna... Should I name a dozen more?
>
However, even Vienna Beef hot dogs seem to have changed over time.
The Vienna Beef All Natural Franks that can be purchased at places such as
Costco tend to shrink and shrivel up when grilled (especially as they cool
down once taken off the grill) and they also have a more dominant mustard
taste than ever before if they are not grilled sufficiently enough to that
point.
These are sold as three pound bundles, with each one pound package
separately wrapped within the bundle, 8 hot dogs in each one pound package.
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