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Gary

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Jan 4, 2021, 11:37:23 AM1/4/21
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Don't laugh or criticize, just a simple answer if you would.
I'm debating giving up my landline and going to cell only.

A cell phone with say 500 minutes talk/voice per month. I did have a
company phone with that for many years but never knew the details.

My question: Do those 500 minutes only apply to outgoing calls that I
instigate or do incoming calls also deduct from that limit?







John Kuthe

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Jan 4, 2021, 12:53:06 PM1/4/21
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Depends on your provider. I have a PureTalk account that I was paying $5/mo for 80mins a month but recently upgraded for their Unlimited plan for $20/mo! I highly recommend PureTalk.com too!

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

GM

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Jan 4, 2021, 1:27:46 PM1/4/21
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Not a silly question, and actually I do not know the answer...

;-D

I'd suggest going with Tracfone, it is prepaid and you can choose a monthly plan or just purchase blocks of voice, text and data:

https://www.tracfone.com/

I just purchase service as I go along, this all "rolls over" so it never expires. I am not a heavy phone user, so "YMMV"...for forty bux I got a nice basic LG smartphone, it's all that I need...

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Best
Greg


Ed Pawlowski

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Jan 4, 2021, 1:51:58 PM1/4/21
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Total use, in or out.

Master Bruce

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Jan 4, 2021, 2:24:21 PM1/4/21
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You don't pay for incoming calls. Would be a hoot, otherwise.

Master Bruce

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Jan 4, 2021, 2:32:13 PM1/4/21
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Wut? Doesn't the person who calls you already pay for the call?

S Viemeister

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Jan 4, 2021, 2:45:28 PM1/4/21
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I've had a contract which charged for both in _and_ out. In the US. Most
of the rest of the world doesn't do that, though.

songbird

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Jan 4, 2021, 2:59:11 PM1/4/21
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depends upon the carrier/plan.

ours is counted both ways in or out all counts in the plan.

we just switched ours the past few weeks. still getting
it figured out and used to it.

i don't know what is long distance or not or if it doesn't
matter any more. they don't mention this in their guides at
all.


songbird

Ed Pawlowski

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Jan 4, 2021, 3:09:12 PM1/4/21
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Still using the tower and air time though. If I pay my carrier for my
landline they still have to provide you cell time to receive.

Beez Neez

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Jan 4, 2021, 3:17:18 PM1/4/21
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Call the provider and ask them. They are the most reliable source of
information. You can probably find the answer to this and many other
questions on the provider's customer support web page.

Asking a bunch of strangers in a cooking newsgroup is an exercise in
futility.

Master Bruce

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Jan 4, 2021, 3:25:39 PM1/4/21
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The idea that someone calls me and I have to pay for it is very weird
to me. But I hardly use a mobile phone, so what do I know?

Master Bruce

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Jan 4, 2021, 3:26:04 PM1/4/21
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Oh, that might be why I've never heard of it.

Master Bruce

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Jan 4, 2021, 3:27:41 PM1/4/21
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Gary, on second thought: when your mother calls, don't let her keep
you on the phone for 500 minutes, because you'd blow your allowance
for the month!

Graham

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Jan 4, 2021, 3:44:17 PM1/4/21
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Same for texts. When I got my first "smart" phone, I received some spam
texts that would have cost me if I hadn't protested.
My basic plan is for X minutes, which I have never exceeded ( I have no
idea what the number is).

itsjoan...@webtv.net

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Jan 4, 2021, 4:04:34 PM1/4/21
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On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 10:37:23 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
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My first cell phone was a Tracfone flip phone, after it died I bought a Tracfone
smartphone from HSN with 1500 minutes of talk and text time. The 400 minutes
or so of the original phone rolled over into that new service. I renew service once
a year with the bare minimum minutes I can purchase for $50. This saves me from
buying a minutes card every month or few months.

Cindy Hamilton

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Jan 4, 2021, 4:25:34 PM1/4/21
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My contract is a fixed rate per month, with unlimited calling and texting.
It's a lot more expensive than these "minutes" plans, but I'm willing to pay
for the convenience of never running out, never adding minutes, etc. My
mother's phone is also on my contract, and it's well worth it to know that
when she needs an Uber, she doesn't need to worry about whether her
phone will do the job.

Cindy Hamilton

GM

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Jan 4, 2021, 4:31:34 PM1/4/21
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Yup, a great deal. My Tracfone service might cost about $100/year if that. I use data to surf the internet when I am commuting on the train, but I haven't commuted since March, so have used virtually no data. I use it for text more than anything else, and even that is not a lot, can get a 1000 texts for five bux earlier last year, still have 800 left...

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Best
Greg

Master Bruce

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Jan 4, 2021, 4:32:59 PM1/4/21
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We almost only use a mobile phone when we have car trouble. Our
prepaid balance always expires and then the phone company steals it.

S Viemeister

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Jan 4, 2021, 4:56:32 PM1/4/21
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On 04/01/2021 20:25, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:45:23 +0000, S Viemeister
In the US, it's not obvious from the number, whether the phone you are
calling, is a mobile - the area codes are the same. In Europe, and I
assume in Australia, mobiles/cellphones/Handys have different area
codes, so the caller knows whether or not s/he is calling a landline.

Master Bruce

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Jan 4, 2021, 5:09:43 PM1/4/21
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Yes, mobile phones have a different prefix and calling them is more
expensive than calling landlines, unless you have free calls to both
in your bundle.

itsjoan...@webtv.net

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Jan 4, 2021, 5:15:18 PM1/4/21
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On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 3:31:34 PM UTC-6, GM wrote:
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> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > My first cell phone was a Tracfone flip phone, after it died I bought a Tracfone
> > smartphone from HSN with 1500 minutes of talk and text time. The 400 minutes
> > or so of the original phone rolled over into that new service. I renew service once
> > a year with the bare minimum minutes I can purchase for $50. This saves me from
> > buying a minutes card every month or few months.
> >
> Yup, a great deal. My Tracfone service might cost about $100/year if that. I use data to surf the internet when I am commuting on the train, but I haven't commuted since March, so have used virtually no data. I use it for text more than anything else, and even that is not a lot, can get a 1000 texts for five bux earlier last year, still have 800 left...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
>
They mostly e-mail me great deals throughout the year but since I still have over 1500
minutes on my phone I just renew once a year. They originally offered renewal with no
added minutes but they withdrew that last year. I can buy the bare minimum minutes
and only have to do it yearly.

itsjoan...@webtv.net

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Jan 4, 2021, 5:16:28 PM1/4/21
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On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 3:32:59 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
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> We almost only use a mobile phone when we have car trouble. Our
> prepaid balance always expires and then the phone company steals it.
>
They don't offer plans that unused minutes rollover yearly???????????

Master Bruce

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Jan 4, 2021, 5:17:47 PM1/4/21
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Not that I know. But I haven't looked into it much.

Master Bruce

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Jan 4, 2021, 5:19:58 PM1/4/21
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Only one provider has range where we live (and only from one side of
the house). So we can't shop around much.

itsjoan...@webtv.net

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Jan 4, 2021, 5:32:03 PM1/4/21
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On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:19:58 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
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> Only one provider has range where we live (and only from one side of
> the house). So we can't shop around much.
>
Ooooooh. Well yes, that would be limiting.

Alex

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Jan 4, 2021, 7:24:30 PM1/4/21
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I did the same thing.  Do you have Comcast?  They have a mobile service
for their customers that is essentially free.  You can keep your home
number - they can take it from you home phone provider (AT&T in my case)
and you get unlimited calls and text messages on the Verizon network. 
Data is charged by the Gigabyte or you can opt for unlimited.  They only
charge for data and you get a small amount - 200MB? - per month for
free.  1GB is $12.  Since our home phone stays at home we pay nothing
because we don't use data and, if we did, it would be on WiFi.  You just
need a phone.  They have some that you can buy over time without
interest or you can bring your own.  There are some limitations there
due to the frequencies (Verizon) they use.  We opted to buy a Samsung S9.

Another option is Tello which also uses the Verizon network.  I have an
older friend that I bought a DJI Drone for but he never had a phone.  I
sent him a Samsung S8 we had lying around and, for $14 per month, he has
a phone with 2GB of data that he hardly uses.  He has WiFi.  I did buy
him an 8" tablet later for the drone because the display is hard to see.

https://tello.com/

Alex

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Jan 4, 2021, 7:26:31 PM1/4/21
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Did you say you didn't have a phone, but then you had a phone for photos
and nothing else?

Another lie?

GM

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Jan 4, 2021, 7:35:18 PM1/4/21
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Hmmm...let us see:

https://www.puretalkusa.com/cell-plans

"$20/month = Unlimited Talk & Text...2 GB Data"


He prolly needs this to communicate with all those contractors larking about upon his roof...

--
Best
Greg

dsi1

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Jan 4, 2021, 7:51:25 PM1/4/21
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On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 8:37:23 AM UTC-8, Gary wrote:
> Don't laugh or criticize, just a simple answer if you would.
> I'm debating giving up my landline and going to cell only.
>
> A cell phone with say 500 minutes talk/voice per month. I did have a
> company phone with that for many years but never knew the details.
>
> My question: Do those 500 minutes only apply to outgoing calls that I
> instigate or do incoming calls also deduct from that limit?
I pay $27 a month for unlimited calling and text and 8GB of data. My service is Mint Mobile and I have to pay 6 months in advance. Occasionally, I'll use my phone as a mobile hotspot. That's handy. Mint Mobile is owned by one of these guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAHJwngPcUU

Sheldon Martin

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Jan 4, 2021, 8:09:12 PM1/4/21
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I'm very satisfied with my land line and a cheapo flip phone for when
driving in case of an emergency. I never call anyone when I'm not
home, I never turn on the flip phone so no one can call me anyway. The
flip phone is ONLY for me to get help in case I have a car problem.
I like my land line because it gets better reception, sound is much
better. Whenever someone calls me on their cell phone they cut in and
out so I hang up, they can call me later on a land line phone... cell
phones are far from perfected. And I really have no need to phone
anyone when I'm out shopping about which lettuce to buy.
And texting if for nincompoops who can't formulate email.

Master Bruce

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Jan 4, 2021, 8:27:14 PM1/4/21
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On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 20:09:05 -0500, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
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You're too old for mobile, admit it. You'd prefer smoke signals.

John Kuthe

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Jan 4, 2021, 8:45:20 PM1/4/21
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Not a lie! I HAD an Android HTC Desire 610 for a long time that I FOUND that I used ONLY for it's camera.

I have a small Flip Phone via PureTalk.com that I use primarily for calling Charter Spectrum if my Internet is down and my home phone is via 1Voip (voice over IP) or to call a Craigslist advertiser I'm driving to to purchase something via Craigslist!

But NEVER a Stupid Phone! :-(

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

Julie Bove

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Jan 4, 2021, 10:15:25 PM1/4/21
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"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message
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> Don't laugh or criticize, just a simple answer if you would.
> I'm debating giving up my landline and going to cell only.
>
> A cell phone with say 500 minutes talk/voice per month. I did have a
> company phone with that for many years but never knew the details.
>
> My question: Do those 500 minutes only apply to outgoing calls that I
> instigate or do incoming calls also deduct from that limit?

It could be both. When I had to pay for texts. it applied to both.

John Kuthe

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Jan 4, 2021, 10:31:31 PM1/4/21
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THEY will screw you any way THEY can!

That's why I never text! Ever!

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

Ed Pawlowski

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Jan 4, 2021, 11:06:06 PM1/4/21
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On 1/4/2021 8:09 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> I'm very satisfied with my land line and a cheapo flip phone for when
> driving in case of an emergency. I never call anyone when I'm not
> home, I never turn on the flip phone so no one can call me anyway. The
> flip phone is ONLY for me to get help in case I have a car problem.
> I like my land line because it gets better reception, sound is much
> better. Whenever someone calls me on their cell phone they cut in and
> out so I hang up, they can call me later on a land line phone... cell
> phones are far from perfected. And I really have no need to phone
> anyone when I'm out shopping about which lettuce to buy.
> And texting if for nincompoops who can't formulate email.
>

Never thought I would text but I do it much more than I ever thought.
My daughter checks on me every day, I made quick checks on my friend
getting daily radiation for cancer though we talk every week. I took a
photo of a photo I ran across yesterday and sent it to another friend.
It was from 35 years ago and had her deceased husband in it. Made her
day.

Pharmacy lets me know my prescription is ready for pickup. USPS lets me
know there is a package in the cluster box. CC company lets me know
payment received. Medicare sends me a security code when I log on for
an added layer of security.

Dave Smith

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Jan 4, 2021, 11:12:56 PM1/4/21
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On 2021-01-04 11:05 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> Never thought I would text but I do it much more than I ever thought. My
> daughter checks on me every day,  I made quick checks on my friend
> getting daily radiation for cancer though we talk every week.  I took a
> photo of a photo I ran across yesterday and sent it to another friend.
> It was from 35 years ago and had her deceased husband in it.  Made her day.

I have had it come in handy a couple times in the last week when doing
curbside pickups. I exchange a lot of texts with my son when he is
working. He is not always able to answer the phone, but he can usually
get back to me with a text.


>
> Pharmacy lets me know my prescription is ready for pickup.  USPS lets me
> know there is a package in the cluster box.  CC company lets me know
> payment received.  Medicare sends me a security code when I log on for
> an added layer of security.

Today I ordered something online for curbside pickup. I opted for a text
notification when it was ready for pickup. Less than 10 minutes later I
got that text. For pickup it is better than having to phone the store,
go through the automated answering system to talk to someone.


Mike Duffy

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Jan 4, 2021, 11:29:21 PM1/4/21
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On Mon, 04 Jan 2021 23:05:59 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Never thought I would text but I do it much more than I ever thought.

> Pharmacy lets me know my prescription is ready for pickup.
> USPS lets me know there is a package in the cluster box.
> CC company lets me know payment received.

I have my debit card set up to text me on ANY purchase.

I have one CC that sends a text when the 3-digit 'verfication code' is
used. (i.e. any not-in-person telephone / web purchase.) That is the only
CC I ever use for web / phone purchases, and I lowered its limit to $K.

Sqwertz

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Jan 5, 2021, 1:03:29 AM1/5/21
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Yet your $20 plan includes unlimited talk and text....

You just don't know how to text. Which is probably a good thing.

-sw

Cindy Hamilton

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On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:32:59 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:

> We almost only use a mobile phone when we have car trouble. Our
> prepaid balance always expires and then the phone company steals it.

Since my husband and I both have mobile phones, we got rid of our
landline. The upside is that we get many, many fewer spam calls than
we used to.

I answered one last night, though. It was an offer to help me pay off
my student loans. That one got a good laugh out of both of us.

Cindy Hamilton

Ophelia

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"Master Bruce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:45:23 +0000, S Viemeister
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>On 04/01/2021 19:24, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 11:37:12 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't laugh or criticize, just a simple answer if you would.
>>> I'm debating giving up my landline and going to cell only.
>>>
>>> A cell phone with say 500 minutes talk/voice per month. I did have a
>>> company phone with that for many years but never knew the details.
>>>
>>> My question: Do those 500 minutes only apply to outgoing calls that I
>>> instigate or do incoming calls also deduct from that limit?
>>
>> You don't pay for incoming calls. Would be a hoot, otherwise.
>>
>I've had a contract which charged for both in _and_ out. In the US. Most
>of the rest of the world doesn't do that, though.

Oh, that might be why I've never heard of it.

==

Same here! Sounds crazy. What happens if someone phones you and forgets
to cut it off?

Ophelia

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"Master Bruce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 06:24:14 +1100, Master Bruce
<maste...@null.null> wrote:

>On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 11:37:12 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
>>Don't laugh or criticize, just a simple answer if you would.
>>I'm debating giving up my landline and going to cell only.
>>
>>A cell phone with say 500 minutes talk/voice per month. I did have a
>>company phone with that for many years but never knew the details.
>>
>>My question: Do those 500 minutes only apply to outgoing calls that I
>>instigate or do incoming calls also deduct from that limit?
>
>You don't pay for incoming calls. Would be a hoot, otherwise.

Gary, on second thought: when your mother calls, don't let her keep
you on the phone for 500 minutes, because you'd blow your allowance
for the month!

===

All this sounds crazy. We pay (each) £11 per month for unlimited calls,
unlimited texts and 5 gb data!


Master Bruce

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 01:58:29 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:32:59 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>
>> We almost only use a mobile phone when we have car trouble. Our
>> prepaid balance always expires and then the phone company steals it.
>
>Since my husband and I both have mobile phones, we got rid of our
>landline. The upside is that we get many, many fewer spam calls than
>we used to.

We need our landline for ADSL. We can get mobile Internet, but I'm
afraid we'd only have good reception in the chicken coop and I don't
feel like moving there.

Master Bruce

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 10:02:06 -0000, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:
Yes, very weird.

Ophelia

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"Master Bruce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 15:09:06 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 1/4/2021 2:32 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 13:51:52 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/4/2021 11:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Don't laugh or criticize, just a simple answer if you would.
>>>> I'm debating giving up my landline and going to cell only.
>>>>
>>>> A cell phone with say 500 minutes talk/voice per month. I did have a
>>>> company phone with that for many years but never knew the details.
>>>>
>>>> My question: Do those 500 minutes only apply to outgoing calls that I
>>>> instigate or do incoming calls also deduct from that limit?
>>>>
>>> Total use, in or out.
>>
>> Wut? Doesn't the person who calls you already pay for the call?
>>
>
>Still using the tower and air time though. If I pay my carrier for my
>landline they still have to provide you cell time to receive.

The idea that someone calls me and I have to pay for it is very weird
to me. But I hardly use a mobile phone, so what do I know?

===

Weird to me too. It would cost me a fortune! My daughter who lives in
Germany and I text constantly:)

S Viemeister

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On 05/01/2021 10:12, Ophelia wrote:

> All this sounds crazy.  We pay (each) £11 per month for unlimited calls,
> unlimited texts and 5 gb data!
>
I lucked out on a good deal - unlimited talk and text and 6gb data for
£7 per month. _Much_ less than our US service costs.

Master Bruce

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Jan 5, 2021, 5:43:33 AM1/5/21
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 10:17:01 -0000, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:
I only turn on the mobile once a month. I've sort of missed the mobile
boat because we always live where there is no mobile range. So now I
feel like a fuddy duddy.

Master Bruce

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I thought everything in the US was cheaper because they allow child
labour.

Ophelia

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"S Viemeister" wrote in message news:i5it7h...@mid.individual.net...

On 05/01/2021 10:12, Ophelia wrote:

> All this sounds crazy. We pay (each) £11 per month for unlimited calls,
> unlimited texts and 5 gb data!
>
I lucked out on a good deal - unlimited talk and text and 6gb data for
ÂŁ7 per month. _Much_ less than our US service costs.

===

What company? That is in UK?

Ophelia

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"Master Bruce" wrote in message
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lol you could always build a little house/shed next door to it:)

Ophelia

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"Master Bruce" wrote in message
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lol leave it switched on and use it sometimes:)) You could find it very
handy one day!

Master Bruce

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 11:03:41 -0000, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
Yes, they can be very handy :)

Master Bruce

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 11:02:10 -0000, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:
Actually, our chicken coop is divided into two parts and one part is
empty. So I have options :)

Cindy Hamilton

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Jan 5, 2021, 6:26:10 AM1/5/21
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And it's possible to do that in the U.S. Gary is just cheap.

Cindy Hamilton

Gary

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Jan 5, 2021, 8:16:08 AM1/5/21
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On 1/4/2021 5:19 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 09:17:41 +1100, Master Bruce
> <maste...@null.null> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:16:24 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 3:32:59 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We almost only use a mobile phone when we have car trouble. Our
>>>> prepaid balance always expires and then the phone company steals it.
>>>>
>>> They don't offer plans that unused minutes rollover yearly???????????
>>
>> Not that I know. But I haven't looked into it much.
>
> Only one provider has range where we live (and only from one side of
> the house).

Is that true or a joke about me? Either way, no big deal.

This computer (laptop) stays on my bedroom desk about 21 hours a day.
It could stay there all the time but I like spending time at my other
desk in the family room. That's the one I've used for over 20 years.

First thing in the morning, I'll download all emails and ng posts. Then
I'll carry it to the other desk. I walk right by it anyway to go into
the kitchen for coffee. Read all and respond to some. Then back into
the bedroom to send things and check again.

If I use it later in the day (not for so long), it's right there and I
use it there.

Next morning, repeat the process.

That's not a bad trade for free high-speed internet service.









S Viemeister

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Jan 5, 2021, 9:15:22 AM1/5/21
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Mobile phone service contracts are considerably cheaper in the UK.

S Viemeister

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On 05/01/2021 11:00, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister"  wrote in message news:i5it7h...@mid.individual.net...
> On 05/01/2021 10:12, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> All this sounds crazy.  We pay (each) £11 per month for unlimited
>> calls, unlimited texts and 5 gb data!
>>
> I lucked out on a good deal - unlimited talk and text and 6gb data for
> £7 per month. _Much_ less than our US service costs.
>
> ===
>
>  What company?  That is in UK?

BT. I got a package deal when FTTC became available here, paying less
than I did just for the dire service we used to have.
You DO have to ask, though. If you don't ask, you don't get!

Ed Pawlowski

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I can see that. People are willing to pay more here so they charge
more. Operational cost is higher here too given some of the large open
areas with low population density. More towers per person are needed to
give coverage in those areas compared to higher density.

Ophelia

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"Master Bruce" wrote in message
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==

Heh you are already sorted:) Make it comfy and heated with a desk ....


Ophelia

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"S Viemeister" wrote in message news:i5jaoe...@mid.individual.net...

On 05/01/2021 11:00, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister"Â wrote in message news:i5it7h...@mid.individual.net...
> On 05/01/2021 10:12, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> All this sounds crazy. We pay (each) £11 per month for unlimited
>> calls, unlimited texts and 5 gb data!
>>
> I lucked out on a good deal - unlimited talk and text and 6gb data for
> £7 per month. _Much_ less than our US service costs.
>
> ===
>
>  What company? That is in UK?

BT. I got a package deal when FTTC became available here, paying less
than I did just for the dire service we used to have.
You DO have to ask, though. If you don't ask, you don't get!

===

Thanks very much. Our landline is with BT!!

S Viemeister

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On 05/01/2021 14:43, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/5/2021 9:15 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 05/01/2021 10:44, Master Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 10:26:59 +0000, S Viemeister
>>>> On 05/01/2021 10:12, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> All this sounds crazy.  We pay (each) £11 per month for unlimited
>>>>> calls, unlimited texts and 5 gb data!
>>>> I lucked out on a good deal - unlimited talk and text and 6gb data for
>>>> £7 per month. _Much_ less than our US service costs.
>>> I thought everything in the US was cheaper because they allow child
>>> labour.
>>>
>> Mobile phone service contracts are considerably cheaper in the UK.
>
> I can see that.  People are willing to pay more here so they charge
> more.  Operational cost is higher here too given some of the large open
> areas with low population density.  More towers per person are needed to
> give coverage in those areas compared to higher density.
>
In my area - the far northwest of Scotland - there is incredibly low
population density. But we still get decent service at reasonable
prices. There are some problem spots, of course, due to the mountainous
nature of the place.
Part of the reason may be the fact that Europe adopted mobile/cellphone
technology sooner and more enthusiastically than did the US.

Dave Smith

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On 2021-01-05 4:58 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:32:59 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>
>> We almost only use a mobile phone when we have car trouble. Our
>> prepaid balance always expires and then the phone company steals it.
>
> Since my husband and I both have mobile phones, we got rid of our
> landline. The upside is that we get many, many fewer spam calls than
> we used to.

I get more unwanted calls on my cell phone than I do on the landline.
Most of them are in Chinese. For all I know they could be warning me
that my social insurance number has been suspended.



> I answered one last night, though. It was an offer to help me pay off
> my student loans. That one got a good laugh out of both of us.

I still get the occasional call offering to amalgamate my credit card
debt and get a lower interest rate. I usually try to keep them on the
line as long as possible and ask them which credit card(s) they mean,
which one they represent, how much I owe. Heck, if they are offering to
help me pay off my credit cards they should have access to that
information. When they try to ask me the number I tell them to look at
my file. I usually keep them going for a few minutes before they tall
me to fuck off and hang up.


Dave Smith

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We have some of the highest cell phone rates in the world. While much of
the population is concentrated they also have to provide coverage across
vast expanses of sparsely populated areas.

Taxed and Spent

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It can cost much more per subscriber to provide the infrastructure in a
highly populated area. You need many more, smaller cells, meaning more
equipment, more leases (a nd more expensive leases, by far), more
government agencies to deal with and fight with, as well as neighbors
who are opposed to anything, but expect exceptional cell phone service.

If you are out in the boonies, you put a few cell sites on mountain or
hill tops and you cover a vast area with little equipment and leases.

Mike Duffy

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On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 08:08:45 -0800, Taxed and Spent wrote:

> If you are out in the boonies, you put a few cell sites on mountain or
> hill tops and you cover a vast area with little equipment and leases.

Much(?) of Canada is covered only for 911 calls. They use solar-powered
satellite phone base stations as transponders.

Sheldon Martin

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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>On 1/4/2021 Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>> I'm very satisfied with my land line and a cheapo flip phone for when
>> driving in case of an emergency. I never call anyone when I'm not
>> home, I never turn on the flip phone so no one can call me anyway. The
>> flip phone is ONLY for me to get help in case I have a car problem.
>> I like my land line because it gets better reception, sound is much
>> better. Whenever someone calls me on their cell phone they cut in and
>> out so I hang up, they can call me later on a land line phone... cell
>> phones are far from perfected. And I really have no need to phone
>> anyone when I'm out shopping about which lettuce to buy.
>> And texting if for nincompoops who can't formulate email.
>
>Never thought I would text but I do it much more than I ever thought.
>My daughter checks on me every day,

My wife lives with me, she's the only one who checks on me every day

>I made quick checks on my friend
>getting daily radiation for cancer though we talk every week. I took a
>photo of a photo I ran across yesterday and sent it to another friend.
>It was from 35 years ago and had her deceased husband in it. Made her
>day.

I wouldn't check on anyone every day. if someone is receiving medical
attention then they are in the best place, WTF could I do?

>Pharmacy lets me know my prescription is ready for pickup. USPS lets me
>know there is a package in the cluster box. CC company lets me know
>payment received. Medicare sends me a security code when I log on for
>an added layer of security.

I receive all that kind of info and more on my land line and/or via
email. My wife uses a smart phone primarily because she teaches
school and often she needs notifications about students immediately,
plus her being in a schoolroom all day there's no land line or pay
phone. She doesn't take phone calls in school, her phone is on buzzer
in classrooms, the kids have to turn off their phones. She sends me
email from school if need be, like if I feel like pizza she can stop
for one on the way home and she can call it in so it's ready when she
gets there. I've never yet needed to phone anyone when I'm not at
home nor do I want to be inundated with a bunch of useless calls. I
often hear what cell phone users talk about in the supermarket aisles,
purely imbecilic nonsense and they talk so loud that I can hear the
conversation three aisles away; Yes Sweetie, I'll pick up a package of
condoms.

Gary

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On 1/4/2021 5:17 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 14:16:24 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 3:32:59 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> We almost only use a mobile phone when we have car trouble. Our
>>> prepaid balance always expires and then the phone company steals it.
>>>
>> They don't offer plans that unused minutes rollover yearly???????????
>
> Not that I know. But I haven't looked into it much.
>

I did read one plan that would roll over minutes but only if you signed
up for more minutes before they ran out. Think that was a Trackfone deal.

So way too many cell phone deals. It's confusing.


%

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Unlimited Nationwide Talk & Text $15/month

https://www.mintmobile.com/product/03-month-small-sim-card-plan/

Cindy Hamilton

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On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 12:46:24 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> >I made quick checks on my friend
> >getting daily radiation for cancer though we talk every week. I took a
> >photo of a photo I ran across yesterday and sent it to another friend.
> >It was from 35 years ago and had her deceased husband in it. Made her
> >day.
>
> I wouldn't check on anyone every day. if someone is receiving medical
> attention then they are in the best place, WTF could I do?

Let them know that someone cares about them?

> >Pharmacy lets me know my prescription is ready for pickup. USPS lets me
> >know there is a package in the cluster box. CC company lets me know
> >payment received. Medicare sends me a security code when I log on for
> >an added layer of security.
>
> I've never yet needed to phone anyone when I'm not at
> home nor do I want to be inundated with a bunch of useless calls. I
> often hear what cell phone users talk about in the supermarket aisles,
> purely imbecilic nonsense and they talk so loud that I can hear the
> conversation three aisles away; Yes Sweetie, I'll pick up a package of
> condoms.

Do you think a cell phone would have some magical effect on you to
change your personality and make you chatter on the phone at
the grocery store?

It's simple to be selective about who you share you cell number with.
Even without a landline, very few people know my cell number. I doubt
it rings more than once or twice a week.

Cindy Hamilton

Taxed and Spent

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Jan 5, 2021, 1:43:13 PM1/5/21
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Don't you have computer problems that must be taken care of immediately?
Don't the U.S. Marshalls notify you of your impeding arrest? Have you
already extended your car warranty?

Master Bruce

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 08:15:58 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>On 1/4/2021 5:19 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 09:17:41 +1100, Master Bruce
>> <maste...@null.null> wrote:
>>
>>> Not that I know. But I haven't looked into it much.
>>
>> Only one provider has range where we live (and only from one side of
>> the house).
>
>Is that true or a joke about me? Either way, no big deal.

It's true :) It's hilly here. Some people have mobile range, others
don't. We're in between. But that's mobile. We use ADSL via the
landline. Slow but reliable.

>This computer (laptop) stays on my bedroom desk about 21 hours a day.
>It could stay there all the time but I like spending time at my other
>desk in the family room. That's the one I've used for over 20 years.
>
>First thing in the morning, I'll download all emails and ng posts. Then
>I'll carry it to the other desk. I walk right by it anyway to go into
>the kitchen for coffee. Read all and respond to some. Then back into
>the bedroom to send things and check again.
>
>If I use it later in the day (not for so long), it's right there and I
>use it there.
>
>Next morning, repeat the process.
>
>That's not a bad trade for free high-speed internet service.

I'm on the Internet all the time. I'm easier reached by email than by
phone, which we don't answer.

Master Bruce

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Yes, I've seen that too. I guess we're not organised enough to do that
in time.

Master Bruce

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Ed understands.

Sheldon Martin

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 Gary wrote:

>On 1/4/2021 Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Jan 2021 Master Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 itsjoannotjoann:
>>>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 Master Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We almost only use a mobile phone when we have car trouble. Our
>>>>> prepaid balance always expires and then the phone company steals it.
>>>>>
>>>> They don't offer plans that unused minutes rollover yearly???????????
>>>
>>> Not that I know. But I haven't looked into it much.
>>
>> Only one provider has range where we live (and only from one side of
>> the house).
>
>Is that true or a joke about me? Either way, no big deal.
>
>This computer (laptop) stays on my bedroom desk about 21 hours a day.
>It could stay there all the time but I like spending time at my other
>desk in the family room. That's the one I've used for over 20 years.
>
>First thing in the morning, I'll download all emails and ng posts. Then
>I'll carry it to the other desk. I walk right by it anyway to go into
>the kitchen for coffee. Read all and respond to some. Then back into
>the bedroom to send things and check again.
>
>If I use it later in the day (not for so long), it's right there and I
>use it there.
>
>Next morning, repeat the process.
>
>That's not a bad trade for free high-speed internet service.

My land line is connected to an answering machine. However hardly
anyone ever phones me yet I discovered a fireproof way of getting a
phone call. My phone may not ring for days but all I need to do is
get into the shower and as soon as I'm wet the phone rings... and the
caller never leaves a message and has a block on so I never know who
was calling... another reason why I don't need a phone. And I make
very few calls, if I call twice a week that's a lot... my only call
today was to Walgreens to ask when they will be giving the vaccine,
they "haven't a clue".

Master Bruce

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 14:57:49 -0000, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
It's definitely a plan!

Dave Smith

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On 2021-01-05 1:29 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 12:46:24 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:

>> I've never yet needed to phone anyone when I'm not at
>> home nor do I want to be inundated with a bunch of useless calls. I
>> often hear what cell phone users talk about in the supermarket aisles,
>> purely imbecilic nonsense and they talk so loud that I can hear the
>> conversation three aisles away; Yes Sweetie, I'll pick up a package of
>> condoms.
>
> Do you think a cell phone would have some magical effect on you to
> change your personality and make you chatter on the phone at
> the grocery store?

It certainly seems to happen to some people, unless they were always
attached to a phone. I occasionally pull out my smart phone to check
things out to pass time in lines at stores. I occasionally phone my wife
from a grocery store to see if there is anything she needs.

I couple months ago I went to a furniture store in search of a new
recliner. I had been striking out everywhere and was not expecting much
so it seemed like a destination for a motorcycle ride with my friend.
I saw some chairs I liked. I took some pictures of them and emailed them
to my wife. She liked them. There were three models and a choice of
colours, so I sent her one of each style and the colours available. It
saved me a 35 mile trip each way to bring her back and show them to her.
I ordered one..... still waiting for delivery.

Master Bruce

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 14:16:17 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>It certainly seems to happen to some people, unless they were always
>attached to a phone. I occasionally pull out my smart phone to check
>things out to pass time in lines at stores. I occasionally phone my wife
>from a grocery store to see if there is anything she needs.
>
>I couple months ago I went to a furniture store in search of a new
>recliner. I had been striking out everywhere and was not expecting much
> so it seemed like a destination for a motorcycle ride with my friend.
>I saw some chairs I liked. I took some pictures of them and emailed them
>to my wife. She liked them. There were three models and a choice of
>colours, so I sent her one of each style and the colours available. It
>saved me a 35 mile trip each way to bring her back and show them to her.
>I ordered one..... still waiting for delivery.

lol, I like the ending.

Ophelia

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"Master Bruce" wrote in message
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===

Do report back if you do:)))


Sheldon Martin

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That's why I have a wife who's a computer guru

> Don't the U.S. Marshalls notify you of your impeding arrest?

I've never been arrested or threatened with arrest.

>Have you already extended your car warranty?

My vehicle is a 1990 Land Cruiser, it long ago passed it's warranty
period... anyone who would call about that isn't old enough to sell me
anything. Last time I bought a case of beer and the cashier wanted to
see my ID I told her let me see yours, she wasn't old enough to sell
alcohol. I'm almost 80 years old, she'd have to be blind to not know
I'm of age. I doubt she was quite 18 but she did have plump bosoms.

Master Bruce

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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 20:24:57 -0000, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
Ok :)

US Janet

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On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 10:27:42 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gary wrote:
>> Don't laugh or criticize, just a simple answer if you would.
>> I'm debating giving up my landline and going to cell only.
>>
>> A cell phone with say 500 minutes talk/voice per month. I did have a
>> company phone with that for many years but never knew the details.
>>
>> My question: Do those 500 minutes only apply to outgoing calls that I
>> instigate or do incoming calls also deduct from that limit?
>
>
>Not a silly question, and actually I do not know the answer...
>
>;-D
>
>I'd suggest going with Tracfone, it is prepaid and you can choose a monthly plan or just purchase blocks of voice, text and data:
>
>https://www.tracfone.com/
>
>I just purchase service as I go along, this all "rolls over" so it never expires. I am not a heavy phone user, so "YMMV"...for forty bux I got a nice basic LG smartphone, it's all that I need...

Yes! Tracfpme is the way to go. I've got several thousand minutes
available due to rollover. And although my husband talks to some
people for hours at a time, he has never run out of minutes either
Plans from $20.00 to $100. Check them out

Hank Rogers

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Then yoose went home to those mexican C-cups; Poor Popeye.




songbird

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S Viemeister wrote:
...
> In my area - the far northwest of Scotland - there is incredibly low
> population density. But we still get decent service at reasonable
> prices. There are some problem spots, of course, due to the mountainous
> nature of the place.
> Part of the reason may be the fact that Europe adopted mobile/cellphone
> technology sooner and more enthusiastically than did the US.

if you don't already have a huge investment in previous
technologies it is always easier to get started with the new
thing coming along.

there are a lot of miles of copper lines buried here, at
some point it will be interesting how they go about getting
them removed or replaced.

just the line for this house probably contains a few
hundred pounds of copper and that doesn't include the much
larger other cable they ran along the road to begin with
(and then abandoned because nobody else built along here).


songbird

Alex

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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 19:31:27 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe wrote:
>
>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 9:15:25 PM UTC-6, juli...@frontier.com wrote:
>>> "Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:rsvg7r$1u8$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>> Don't laugh or criticize, just a simple answer if you would.
>>>> I'm debating giving up my landline and going to cell only.
>>>>
>>>> A cell phone with say 500 minutes talk/voice per month. I did have a
>>>> company phone with that for many years but never knew the details.
>>>>
>>>> My question: Do those 500 minutes only apply to outgoing calls that I
>>>> instigate or do incoming calls also deduct from that limit?
>>> It could be both. When I had to pay for texts. it applied to both.
>> THEY will screw you any way THEY can!
>>
>> That's why I never text! Ever!
>>
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> Yet your $20 plan includes unlimited talk and text....
>
> You just don't know how to text. Which is probably a good thing.
>
> -sw

He would need someone to text to.

Alex

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Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:35:14 -0800 (PST), GM
> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alex wrote:
>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 10:37:23 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Don't laugh or criticize, just a simple answer if you would.
>>>>> I'm debating giving up my landline and going to cell only.
>>>>>
>>>>> A cell phone with say 500 minutes talk/voice per month. I did have a
>>>>> company phone with that for many years but never knew the details.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question: Do those 500 minutes only apply to outgoing calls that I
>>>>> instigate or do incoming calls also deduct from that limit?
>>>> Depends on your provider. I have a PureTalk account that I was paying $5/mo for 80mins a month but recently upgraded for their Unlimited plan for $20/mo! I highly recommend PureTalk.com too!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>> Did you say you didn't have a phone, but then you had a phone for photos
>>> and nothing else?
>>>
>>> Another lie?
>>
>> Hmmm...let us see:
>>
>> https://www.puretalkusa.com/cell-plans
>>
>> "$20/month = Unlimited Talk & Text...2 GB Data"
>>
>>
>> He prolly needs this to communicate with all those contractors larking about upon his roof...
> I'm very satisfied with my land line and a cheapo flip phone for when
> driving in case of an emergency. I never call anyone when I'm not
> home, I never turn on the flip phone so no one can call me anyway. The
> flip phone is ONLY for me to get help in case I have a car problem.
> I like my land line because it gets better reception, sound is much
> better. Whenever someone calls me on their cell phone they cut in and
> out so I hang up, they can call me later on a land line phone... cell
> phones are far from perfected. And I really have no need to phone
> anyone when I'm out shopping about which lettuce to buy.
> And texting if for nincompoops who can't formulate email.

I was paying about $65 per month for a land line and finally switched
that number to a mobile phone for $0 per month.

Cindy Hamilton

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I had a Tracphone years back and although I kept it topped up with minutes,
it seemed like every damned time I wanted to use it, it couldn't connect
to a network even though I had plenty of bars.

Switched to Verizon and never looked back. (I also rarely look at the bill,
since it's huge.)

Cindy Hamilton

dsi1

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Those cell phone bills are meant to hide charges in a mass of confusion. Even the guys at the place you bought your phone from can't explain them to you. If they call headquarters, the guys they talk to can't explain the bills. Cell phone service in the US is mostly a scam and the guys that sell the service don't have any problems with lying straight to your face. These days, I don't have to deal with bills or guys trying to sell me a service plan.

US Janet

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My Tracfon uses Verizon and where I live has better reception than
others. It's the gremlins
Janet US
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