Boiled peanuts

[notbob]

I bought a lrg can of Peanut Patch boiled peanuts.

Not too bad, but iffy. A lot of them hadda be tossed cuz the nut-meat
jes wouldn't come outta the shell. Too swollen by most stds (the can
was fulla water), so apparently they had been pressure cooked.

I recall doing boiled peanuts on my cheapO electric stove, with a person-
from-here's recipe. Now, I have a 2 qt Crock-Pot to cook boiled
peanuts in. Can anyone help me?

I've seen everything from 18 hrs on "hi" to 4-6 hrs on "low". Spicy,
Cajun, salted, plain, start-with-green (I didn't), yadda, yadda. I
don't wanna have the nuts so cooked, I can't get 'em outta the shell,
but I got "geezer teeth". It's all I can do to chew off "al dente"
strands of pasta. ;)

nb

[Alex]

Look up Hawk's Nuts in Tampa.  You will never go back!

[cshenk]

Super easy in crockpot and stove does not save time on this one. It's
wierdly same time.

Pour dried shelled peanuts in crockpot to 1/2 full (no more than 2/3).
Add LOTS of salt. 3TB isn't crazy but you can use less if sodium
restricted (add some chile powder if so). Now fill with water to 1
inch below the top (they will float). Turn on at medium (or if no
medium, high for 2 hours then low). Best at 24 hours but usable at 14
or so.

Pressure cooking not recommended. Thats when they are hard to get out
of the shell.

[jmcquown]

On 7/6/2020 10:11 PM, cshenk wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>
>> I bought a lrg can of Peanut Patch boiled peanuts.
>>
>> Not too bad, but iffy. A lot of them hadda be tossed cuz the nut-meat
>> jes wouldn't come outta the shell. Too swollen by most stds (the can
>> was fulla water), so apparently they had been pressure cooked.
>>

Heat the canned boiled peanuts in the microwave or gently on the
stovetop, then drain the water and put the peanuts in a bowl.

>> I recall doing boiled peanuts on my cheapO electric stove, with a
>> person- from-here's recipe. Now, I have a 2 qt Crock-Pot to cook
>> boiled peanuts in. Can anyone help me?
>>
>> I've seen everything from 18 hrs on "hi" to 4-6 hrs on "low". Spicy,
>> Cajun, salted, plain, start-with-green (I didn't), yadda, yadda. I
>> don't wanna have the nuts so cooked, I can't get 'em outta the shell,
>> but I got "geezer teeth". It's all I can do to chew off "al dente"
>> strands of pasta. ;)
>>
>> nb
>
> Super easy in crockpot and stove does not save time on this one. It's
> wierdly same time.
>
> Pour dried shelled peanuts in crockpot to 1/2 full (no more than 2/3).

Shelled? Nope. Ironically "shelled" means the shell has been removed.

They really do need to be very young (green) peanuts. You can't expect
the same result if you use old unshelled peanuts.

> Add LOTS of salt. 3TB isn't crazy but you can use less if sodium
> restricted (add some chile powder if so). Now fill with water to 1
> inch below the top (they will float). Turn on at medium (or if no
> medium, high for 2 hours then low). Best at 24 hours but usable at 14
> or so.
>
> Pressure cooking not recommended. Thats when they are hard to get out
> of the shell.
>

I think he meant pressure *canned*. Boiled green peanuts are a big
thing down here. I love them! I can buy Peanut Patch brand and they're
okay. It's hard to find freshly boiled green peanuts around lately here
since Covid-19 has practically shut down the local farm stands. :(

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 7/6/2020 7:30 PM, notbob wrote:
> I bought a lrg can of Peanut Patch boiled peanuts.
>
> Not too bad, but iffy. A lot of them hadda be tossed cuz the nut-meat
> jes wouldn't come outta the shell. Too swollen by most stds (the can
> was fulla water), so apparently they had been pressure cooked.
>

Pressure canned. Like most canned legumes. Of course the can is full
of water... that's the salty water they're cooked in. Too swollen? I'm
not sure what you mean by that.

> I recall doing boiled peanuts on my cheapO electric stove, with a person-
> from-here's recipe. Now, I have a 2 qt Crock-Pot to cook boiled
> peanuts in. Can anyone help me?
>
> I've seen everything from 18 hrs on "hi" to 4-6 hrs on "low". Spicy,
> Cajun, salted, plain, start-with-green (I didn't), yadda, yadda. I
> don't wanna have the nuts so cooked, I can't get 'em outta the shell,
> but I got "geezer teeth". It's all I can do to chew off "al dente"
> strands of pasta. ;)
>
> nb
>

I can't help with your teeth. Yes, you can make boiled green (gotta be
green, raw) peanuts in a crockpot. I'd do them on HIGH for at least 6
hours covered with water. Not sure if it will make those shells any
easier on your teeth but they should be cooked until very soft. LOTS of
salt! I'd use about 1/3 to even 1/2 cup of salt per 2 pounds of raw in
the shell *green* peanuts. Then again, I like salt. :)

Jill
Jill

[Daniel]

I had them for the first time with some buddies who brought it to a
brewery. I was skeptical at first but man... They were good. There was
something I liked about the softness of the nut. The saltiness came in
second. It was a good experience. I will try this recipe.

--
Daniel

Visit me at: gopher://gcpp.world

[Gary]

notbob wrote:
>
> I bought a lrg can of Peanut Patch boiled peanuts.
>
> Not too bad, but iffy. A lot of them hadda be tossed cuz the nut-meat
> jes wouldn't come outta the shell.

I've only tried boiled peanuts once. Just one peanut.
I was told to eat them shell and all.

It was like eating salty, peanut flavored, wet straw.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 07 Jul 2020 07:42:01 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>>
>> I bought a lrg can of Peanut Patch boiled peanuts.
>>
>> Not too bad, but iffy. A lot of them hadda be tossed cuz the nut-meat
>> jes wouldn't come outta the shell.
>
>I've only tried boiled peanuts once. Just one peanut.

Yes, one doesn't want to go overboard now, does one?

[jmcquown]

Whoever told you that was wrong.

Jill

[Gary]

Seems that you just indicated eating shell and all.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I've heard that too. Took a bite of one and tossed it. Maybe just a
trick to get us Yankees to leave them alone.

[Hank Rogers]

I never tried them <snif>

[notbob]

On 2020-07-07, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Shelled? Nope. Ironically "shelled" means the shell has been removed.
>
> They really do need to be very young (green) peanuts.

I've "used" Circus brand "raw" peanuts (in the shell), but have never
even seen a "green" peanut. Seriously! ;)

nb

[Sheldon Martin]

Walmart sells these but I've never bought them... I like roasted
peanuts but something about the thought of boiled peanuts doesn't
appeal to me, however I buy other Margaret Holmes canned products and
they are very good. I probably should try a can of boiled peanuts if
only to claim I'm part hillybilly southerner. Various Margaret Holmes
canned bean products are a must for every pantry for when one needs to
eat good vittles but doesen't feel like cooking... all very well
seasoned.... puts other canned foods to shame... great limas.
https://margaretholmes.com/category/boiled-peanuts/

[jmcquown]

That's not what I meant at all. I use my teeth to crack them open, just
like I would unshelled sunflower seeds. The boiled peanut shells are
soft but you aren't supposed to eat the shell!

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

I've seen some in convenience stores that proudly claim they should
be eaten shell and all. I don't remember the brand and didn't get them.

[jmcquown]

Yes, it's a huge Southern conspiracy to keep all the boiled peanuts out
of the hands of those damn Yankees! Oh wait, I'm not a Southerner,
either...

Jill

[dsi1]

Hawaii and the American South have a tradition of boiled peanuts. I assume that we learned to do this from the same people - the Chinese. My wife loves those things.

I'll cook raw peanuts with some shoyu, sugar, and salt. The local style is to add some star anise. I don't because that tastes too Chinesey. Simmer the peanuts for an hour and a half or less. I think these are quite good if refrigerated.

https://onolicioushawaii.com/hawaiian-boiled-peanuts/

[Alex]

I can't imagine eating the shell.  I have had deep fried peanuts and ate
the shell but it wasn't great.

[Alex]

Yup.  Those were deep fried - not boiled.

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 7/7/2020 11:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 7/7/2020 9:55 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 7/7/2020 7:42 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>> notbob wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I bought a lrg can of Peanut Patch boiled peanuts.
> >>>>

> >>>> Not too bad, but iffy. A lot of them hadda be tossed cuz the nut-meat

> >>>> jes wouldn't come outta the shell.
> >>>
> >>> I've only tried boiled peanuts once. Just one peanut.
> >>> I was told to eat them shell and all.
> >>>
> >>> It was like eating salty, peanut flavored, wet straw.
> >>>
> >> Whoever told you that was wrong.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >

> > I've heard that too. Took a bite of one and tossed it. Maybe just a

> > trick to get us Yankees to leave them alone.
>
> Yes, it's a huge Southern conspiracy to keep all the boiled peanuts out
> of the hands of those damn Yankees! Oh wait, I'm not a Southerner,
> either...

I think you've earned "Southerner status" by now. It took many
years
before southern born coworkers stopped calling me a yankee. lol

Did you know that Maryland was originally a southern slave owning
state? Lincoln put a stop to that before the Civil War started.
He
didn't want Washington DC to be surrounded by southern states in
case of the impending war. Marylanders pretty much equally joined
the Union or the Confederates for the war.

[jmcquown]

On 7/8/2020 7:17 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 7/7/2020 11:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 7/7/2020 9:55 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 7/7/2020 7:42 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought a lrg can of Peanut Patch boiled peanuts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not too bad, but iffy. A lot of them hadda be tossed cuz the nut-meat
>>>>>> jes wouldn't come outta the shell.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've only tried boiled peanuts once. Just one peanut.
>>>>> I was told to eat them shell and all.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was like eating salty, peanut flavored, wet straw.
>>>>>
>>>> Whoever told you that was wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I've heard that too. Took a bite of one and tossed it. Maybe just a
>>> trick to get us Yankees to leave them alone.
>>
>> Yes, it's a huge Southern conspiracy to keep all the boiled peanuts out
>> of the hands of those damn Yankees! Oh wait, I'm not a Southerner,
>> either...
>
> I think you've earned "Southerner status" by now. It took many
> years
> before southern born coworkers stopped calling me a yankee. lol
>
> Did you know that Maryland was originally a southern slave owning
> state?

Yes, I knew that. Did you know Robert E. Lee of Virginia didn't join
the Confederacy until his home state of Virginia seceeded from the Union?

Jill

[cshenk]

> I think he meant pressure canned. Boiled green peanuts are a big

> thing down here. I love them! I can buy Peanut Patch brand and
> they're okay. It's hard to find freshly boiled green peanuts around
> lately here since Covid-19 has practically shut down the local farm
> stands. :(
>
> Jill

We get them in bags, still raw and in the shell.

Yes, I meant 'still in shell'. I guess we use 'unshelled peanuts' as a
term in some parts for the others. Just a quirk I grew up with along
the Smokey mountains.

[cshenk]

Baby peanuts I think are called that?

Anyways, we make them 3-4 times a year. I deliberately make a bigger
batch than we will eat right away and unshell the cooked ones then
freeze the meats for other things in smaller bags or just defrost and
eat cold as a snack.

[cshenk]

I've gotten the Limas too. Her brand is just about everyplace here.

[cshenk]

Here's 2 variations I put in MM for the cooking echo.

Note Kikkoman Lite is now lower than Datu Puti in sodium but I wasn't
getting USA versions then. I don't know if it changed in the years
since, or the overseas Japan version was higher sodium.

Also see the time of cooking variations. Some like them more 'done'
than others. As long as you keep them soupy wet and the natural low
simmer of 'low' of a crockpot, 3 days is optimal but we start munching
a few at 24 hours. Others may cook them only 14 hours (higher setting)
but I found the salt or spices did not penetrate then.


MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Xxcarol's Boiled Peanuts
Categories: Xxcarol, Appetizers, Crockpot
Yield: 15 Servings

1 lb Peanuts in shell
1/4 c Salt
1 tb Red Pepper
Water to cover

I love munchies! These are perfect for a salty snack and are very
inexpensive to make. Take a bag of peanuts, still in the shells (raw
or can be roasted already, makes little difference) and fill the
crockpot to 3/4 full. Now, add water to 1 inch below brim (yes dear,
they float and as they cook down, this is the rare recipe you will
add water to!). Now, add 1/4 cup salt. Sounds like alot but you want
very salty water. (Option, you can use seawater like we do in costal
Georgia!). If you like a bit of 'spice' add a hot red pepper powder
of your choice to it.

Set crockpot on low. As it cooks the shells down, you will probably
need to add a little water. This process will take about 3 days til
they are 'just right' (Nutmeat soft and salty-spicey).

Stovetop version- set on lowest setting. Will cost more than crockpot
running and time is not reduced.

Pressure-cooker version- I found the results very disappointing (no
flavor to the peanuts) so dumped them in the crockpot for 3 days. ;-)

From the kitchen of: xxcarol Date: 10-19-00
Cooking

MMMMM

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Xxcarol's lower sodium peanuts
Categories: Xxcarol, Crockpot
Yield: 4 Servings

4 c Peanuts in the shell, raw
3 tb Datu Puti brand soy sauce
7 ea Cloves garlic
1 ts Red Korean chile powder

This is the first of a growing set with variations on how to make
'salt boiled peanuts' in a crockpot, which are sodium reduced enough
to allow a cup of peanuts in the shell for a day's serving on a
2,000mg sodium diet.

Place 4 cups of raw peanuts, still in shell, in a smallish crockpot
(one that holds 6 cups is perfect). Add the soy sauce and peeled
whole garlic cloves and chile powder to taste. The Soy here is a
brand called 'Datu Puti' and is about 1/2 the sodium of 'Kikkoman
lite'. The 'Korean Chile powder' is hard to obtain in some areas of
the world so to make a substitute, use 1/2 hot-sweet paprika and 1/2
cayenne pepper.

Add enough water to fill and place heavy glass lid on crockpot to
make them stay down. Run on low for 3 days. They will be edible
after 2 days but are much better 3rd day.

Alternative additions: Black fresh ground pepper, 1 TS suggested.

From the Sasebo Japan kitchen of: xxcarol 2SEP2006

MMMMM

[cshenk]

> pounds of raw in the shell green peanuts. Then again, I like salt. :)
>
> Jill
> Jill

I just posted 2 recipes. No need for 'green peanuts' this time unless
they are other than 'fairly fresh' in some other way to be called that
(have not googled yet and am unfamiliar with the term).

Agreed on the salt. You'll see my first MM version uses 1/4 cup but
that's mostly because more didn't seem to make a difference in the
results but 'less' really did.

The lower sodium version I posted is also quite good but it's born of
necessity when my husband had to go on reduced sodium back around 2003.
I didn't keep all the versions and as I look back, I know other
versions added much more of the Korean Chile Pepper than that MM
version. I think I made a batch minimizing it for another who didn't
like 'spicy'.

[cshenk]

Good lord! Who told you to do that? College prank?

No, you never eat the shell. You might suck off the salt a bit (some
do). Some will partly crack, suck out the salty water, then finish
unshelling and eat the meats.

[cshenk]

> the shell green peanuts. Then again, I like salt. :)"

Umm, you cook them in the shell then use your fingers to remove the
shell and eat the insides.

[cshenk]

Good try but the originate from South America and were exported to
Africa and China from there. Africans brought them back with them when
they came to North America and Chinese would have brought them to
Hawaii.

<http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/10/peanuts-come/#:~:text=Although%20today%20ubiquitous%20across%20the%20globe%2C%20the%20peanut,years.%20Tasty%20and%20hardy%2C%20the%20plant%20quickly%20spread>

[jmcquown]

I use my teeth because the shells are (or should be) very soft. Sure,
use your fingers if you have dental issues. Notbob was the one who first
mentioned his teeth.

This thread has made me crave boiled peanuts. I'll just buy the Peanut
Patch canned brand, pour them in a bowl, heat them in the microwave
briefly, drain then eat. Using my teeth. I'm not going looking for raw
green/young in the shell peanuts to cook during a pandemic.

Jill

[dsi1]

I said that Hawaii and the American South have a history of boiled peanuts. Are you saying that's not true? What the heck are you saying?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 8:43:07 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> I said that Hawaii and the American South have a history of boiled peanuts. Are you saying that's not true? What the heck are you saying?
>

As far as I know, _I've_ never eaten boiled peanuts. Roasted in an oven,
yes, boiled, no. But I have heard of them long before this thread.

[dsi1]

You've never heard of boiled peanuts but now you have? Well okay then. I can't do nothing about that.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 21:05:35 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 3:55:05 PM UTC-10, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 8:43:07 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> > I said that Hawaii and the American South have a history of boiled peanuts. Are you saying that's not true? What the heck are you saying?
>> >
>> As far as I know, _I've_ never eaten boiled peanuts. Roasted in an oven,
>> yes, boiled, no. But I have heard of them long before this thread.
>
>You've never heard of boiled peanuts but now you have?

Reread the post slowly and use your finger as a guide.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Having trouble with reading comprehension tonight? Let me repeat this for you
and take your time and read along s.l.o.w.l.y.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Thank you.

[dsi1]

what's your point? Yoose trying to convey something to me? Do you even know what you're trying to say?

[Gary]

cshenk wrote:

>
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > Various Margaret Holmes
> > canned bean products are a must for every pantry for when one needs to
> > eat good vittles but doesen't feel like cooking... all very well
> > seasoned.... puts other canned foods to shame... great limas.
> > https://margaretholmes.com
>

> I've gotten the Limas too. Her brand is just about everyplace here.

Since this has been mentioned here lately, I looked for and
bought a can yesterday.

It's called, "Hoppin' John with blackeye peas, peppers
and onions." Sounded a bit appealing, along with the
picture on the label.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Here, let me help:

"As far as I know, _I've_ never EATEN boiled peanuts....
But I have HEARD OF them long before this thread."

[All caps added for emphasis.]

Eating something and hearing about it are two different things.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

dsi1's face was last seen in Honolulu Harbor, embarking to the dreaded
mainland. dsi1 has lost face *dramatic music*

[dsi1]

My mistake. I apologize for that. She has never eaten boiled peanuts but has heard of them. I haven't eaten a lot of things but who the heck brags about that?

[Sheldon Martin]

A good choice... good hot, cold, or right from the can at room
temperature... and included in several recipes.
https://margaretholmes.com/products/hoppin-john/

[jmcquown]

I feel the need to elaborate. Robert E. Lee was Lincoln's top man before
Virginia voted for Secession. Lincoln offered Lee Ulysses S. Grant's
job commanding the Union Army. He declined the position primarily
because of his wife's and her family's Southern sentiments and because
he felt he had to be faithful to Virginia.

As for boiled peanuts, either you like them or you don't. But no, you
don't eat the shells. Whoever told you that was wrong. It's no wonder
it was like eating straw. Even boiled until soft, peanut shells are
tough and stringy.

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 12:14:51 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> what's your point? Yoose trying to convey something to me? Do you even know what you're trying to say?
>

My point or points is you can't read and are probably blind as well.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

The "Glory" brand is just as tasty as the Margaret Holmes vegetables.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 7:41:02 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> My mistake. I apologize for that. She has never eaten boiled peanuts but has heard of them. I haven't eaten a lot of things but who the heck brags about that?
>

Not a brag, just a statement.

[Hank Rogers]

Yeah, but Popeye, yoose only like her canned grub cause she let
yoose fuck her and eat her old crotch. Yoose old mexican woman
never found out.

[Hank Rogers]

Hell, yoose not a fuckin asian Joan. Yoose got no right to talk to
any. They are smarter anyway. I've only known one gook that wasn't
a fukin genious.

[Gary]

Sheldon Martin wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> >Since this has been mentioned here lately, I looked for and
> >bought a can yesterday.
> >
> >It's called, "Hoppin' John with blackeye peas, peppers
> >and onions." Sounded a bit appealing, along with the
> >picture on the label.
>
> A good choice... good hot, cold, or right from the can at room
> temperature... and included in several recipes.
> https://margaretholmes.com/products/hoppin-john/

It sounds almost like a stand-alone meal with some
bread and butter. I'll try it that way today for
lunch. I'm curious to open and taste.

[Gary]

Ok, so I had this last night for dinner about 8pm along

with some bread and butter.

Not very good at all. The seasoning was nice but way too
many undercooked blackeye peas. Should have cooked them
longer and also included more of the other vegetables.
Tomatoes are included too but not enough.

Best part was dipping the buttered bread into the broth.
I won't ever buy this one again

Sorry, Margaret.

[Bruce]

Margaret Holmes Hoppin John - Blackeye Peas, Peppers & Onions

prepared blackeye peas, water, tomatoes, jalapeno pepe chloride) less
than 2% of bacon fat, salt, dried onion, dried red/green be
retention), natural flavors, pork stock, chicken fat, canola oil,
soybean oil, smoke flavor, caramelized sugar, caramel color, spice,
garlic powder, tbqh (antioxidant).

Bacon fat? (How to make it not suited for vegetarians)
Natural flavors? (Yuck, could be anything)
Pork stock? (I thought this was blackeyed peas, peppers & onions)
Chicken fat (Right, so much for a can of vegetables)
Smoke flavor (What the hell would that be?)
Caramelized sugar (Right, we're in the US.)
Caramel color (Huh? What would it look like otherwise?)
Tbqh (Come again?)

How to ruin something that could have been quite natural and healthy.

And all y'all eat this kind of stuff on a regular basis?

[Gary]

I won't. It wasn't very good.
Reminds me of why I rarely buy canned vegetable products.

PS- I've never heard anyone say "all y'all" in the south
but then YOU are the 2nd most southern person here. Perhaps
that's an Aussie thing.

[Bruce]

Yeah, fresh or frozen, I'd say. Although I've never heard of frozen
tomatoes, lettuce, cucumbers...

>PS- I've never heard anyone say "all y'all" in the south
>but then YOU are the 2nd most southern person here. Perhaps
>that's an Aussie thing.

Australians are more into 'yoose'.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Nobody cares about vegetarians. Pork of some kind is traditional
in hoppin' john.

> Natural flavors? (Yuck, could be anything)
> Pork stock? (I thought this was blackeyed peas, peppers & onions)
> Chicken fat (Right, so much for a can of vegetables)
> Smoke flavor (What the hell would that be?)
> Caramelized sugar (Right, we're in the US.)
> Caramel color (Huh? What would it look like otherwise?)
> Tbqh (Come again?)
>
> How to ruin something that could have been quite natural and healthy.

If one wants natural and healthy, one makes it from scratch.

> And all y'all eat this kind of stuff on a regular basis?

Not all of us.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

I wouldn't have bought the Hoppin' John but that's because I don't like
Hoppin' John even when made from scratch. LOL I like Margaret Holmes
seasoned butter beans. They go well with pork chops. :)

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 6:15:40 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> Ok, so I had this last night for dinner about 8pm along
> with some bread and butter.
>
> Not very good at all. The seasoning was nice but way too
> many undercooked blackeye peas. Should have cooked them
> longer and also included more of the other vegetables.
> Tomatoes are included too but not enough.
>
> Best part was dipping the buttered bread into the broth.
> I won't ever buy this one again
>
> Sorry, Margaret.
>

I've had her Hoppin' John and did not care for it either. A bit too
bland for me but I waited until you tried them yourself before commenting.
But don't let this sample of her vegetables throw you off. Although I shy
away from turnip greens now, hers are really outstanding. The Glory brand
is very good, too.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 6:25:34 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> Margaret Holmes Hoppin John - Blackeye Peas, Peppers & Onions
>
> prepared blackeye peas, water, tomatoes, jalapeno pepe chloride) less
> than 2% of bacon fat, salt, dried onion, dried red/green be
> retention), natural flavors, pork stock, chicken fat, canola oil,
> soybean oil, smoke flavor, caramelized sugar, caramel color, spice,
> garlic powder, tbqh (antioxidant).
>
> Bacon fat? (How to make it not suited for vegetarians)
> Natural flavors? (Yuck, could be anything)
> Pork stock? (I thought this was blackeyed peas, peppers & onions)
> Chicken fat (Right, so much for a can of vegetables)
> Smoke flavor (What the hell would that be?)
> Caramelized sugar (Right, we're in the US.)
> Caramel color (Huh? What would it look like otherwise?)
> Tbqh (Come again?)
>
> How to ruin something that could have been quite natural and healthy.
>
> And all y'all eat this kind of stuff on a regular basis?
>

This is not a good example of her canned vegetables. Too easy to make
this yourself and have it as spicy as you like.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 6:35:23 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> I've never heard anyone say "all y'all" in the south
> but then YOU are the 2nd most southern person here. Perhaps
> that's an Aussie thing.
>

Really? It is said quite frequently in the South.

"All y'all get in the car right now!"

[jmcquown]

Canned rice just doesn't sound right. You're right about Margaret
Holmes turnip greens. The seasoned butter beans are good, too. :)

Jill

[Sheldon Martin]

The last time I had that Hoppin' John has to be a couple of years ago,
I like her Limas much better.

[Bruce]

Ha!

[Bruce]

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 05:02:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 7:25:34 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

>> Margaret Holmes Hoppin John - Blackeye Peas, Peppers & Onions
>>
>> prepared blackeye peas, water, tomatoes, jalapeno pepe chloride) less
>> than 2% of bacon fat, salt, dried onion, dried red/green be
>> retention), natural flavors, pork stock, chicken fat, canola oil,
>> soybean oil, smoke flavor, caramelized sugar, caramel color, spice,
>> garlic powder, tbqh (antioxidant).
>>
>> Bacon fat? (How to make it not suited for vegetarians)
>
>Nobody cares about vegetarians. Pork of some kind is traditional
>in hoppin' john.

If you make a vegetable product, it's not smart to exclude 10-15% of
potential buyers by adding animal products. Companies generally care a
lot about 10-15% more or less profit.

>> Natural flavors? (Yuck, could be anything)
>> Pork stock? (I thought this was blackeyed peas, peppers & onions)
>> Chicken fat (Right, so much for a can of vegetables)
>> Smoke flavor (What the hell would that be?)
>> Caramelized sugar (Right, we're in the US.)
>> Caramel color (Huh? What would it look like otherwise?)
>> Tbqh (Come again?)
>>
>> How to ruin something that could have been quite natural and healthy.
>
>If one wants natural and healthy, one makes it from scratch.

Lots of canned products only contain the essential ingredient(s). This
one sucks.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:17:19 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

>The last time I had that Hoppin' John has to be a couple of years ago,
>I like her Limas much better.

Margaret Holmes Seasoned Medium Green Lima Beans
"medium green lima beans, water, monosodium glutamate, salt,
dehydrated onion, sugar, spices, natural flavors, natural flavors,
natural smoke flavor and chicken fat."

The more they say "natural", the more it's crap. And chicken fat? Do
Americans drop dead if they eat something with no corps juices in it?

[Bruce]

"Margaret Holmes Seasoned Turnip Greens
Cut Leaf Turnip Greens, Water, Monosodium Glutamate, Sugar, Salt,
Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Corn Gluten and Wheat Gluten with Partially
Hydrogenated Cottonseed and Soy Oil, Vinegar Powder (Maltodextrin,
Food Starch-Modified, and Vinegar), Dehydrated Onion, Maltodextrin,
Spice, Dehydrated Garlic, Rendered Bacon Fat and Bacon Bits (Contains
Natural Smoke Flavor, Water, Salt, Sugar, Sodium Phosphate, Sodium
Erythorbate, Sodium Nitrate), Lard, Sodium Diacetate, Natural Flavor
(Contains Natural Smoke Flavor), Gelatin, Silicon Dioxide, Disodium
Inosinate, Smoked Pork Fat."

Ewww. And what the hell are bacon fat and pork fat doing in a can of
vegetables? You'd think people could add that themselves if they felt
like Dracula.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 09:23:01 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

"Margaret Holmes Seasoned Butter Beans
butter beans, water, monosodium glutamate, salt, dehydrated onion,
sugar, spices rendered bacon fat, calcium chloride (as a firming
agent) and natural hickory smoke flavor."

What a company.

[Hank Rogers]

Druce, you ingest all that stuff and more ... just from the butt fumes.

[Bryan Simmons]

I'm from St. Louis, and I say, "You all," fairly often, but not the contraction.

--Bryan

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 1:44:29 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 05:02:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 7:25:34 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
> >> Margaret Holmes Hoppin John - Blackeye Peas, Peppers & Onions
> >>
> >> prepared blackeye peas, water, tomatoes, jalapeno pepe chloride) less
> >> than 2% of bacon fat, salt, dried onion, dried red/green be
> >> retention), natural flavors, pork stock, chicken fat, canola oil,
> >> soybean oil, smoke flavor, caramelized sugar, caramel color, spice,
> >> garlic powder, tbqh (antioxidant).
> >>
> >> Bacon fat? (How to make it not suited for vegetarians)
> >
> >Nobody cares about vegetarians. Pork of some kind is traditional
> >in hoppin' john.
>
> If you make a vegetable product, it's not smart to exclude 10-15% of
> potential buyers by adding animal products. Companies generally care a
> lot about 10-15% more or less profit.

It's not smart to exclude 100% of their actual buyers by making a
product that they wouldn't recognize as the named dish and wouldn't
enjoy the taste.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

Lima beans? Turnip greens?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Apparently so. Southerners will put pork fat in anything.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:43:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 1:44:29 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 05:02:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Nobody cares about vegetarians. Pork of some kind is traditional
>> >> >in hoppin' john.
>> >>
>> >> If you make a vegetable product, it's not smart to exclude 10-15% of
>> >> potential buyers by adding animal products. Companies generally care a
>> >> lot about 10-15% more or less profit.
>> >
>> >It's not smart to exclude 100% of their actual buyers by making a
>> >product that they wouldn't recognize as the named dish and wouldn't
>> >enjoy the taste.
>>
>> Lima beans? Turnip greens?
>
>Apparently so. Southerners will put pork fat in anything.

It's not a can of lima beans. It's a can of lima beans, animal fats
and additives. It's crap. There's a market for crap, but it's still
crap.

[Cindy Hamilton]

If I google for recipes for turnip greens, the first gazillion hits
all call for some kind of pork. Of course, Google knows I live in the
U.S.

Perhaps half of the lima beans recipes call for pork.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

I cooked some Fordhook lima beans the other night that didn't come from
a can and didn't involve pork or anything other than lightly salted
water. Bruce is just looking for his usual "everyone in the US eats
crap" fix.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 18:09:51 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

No, Cindy says everybody in the US eats lima beans with animal fat. I
didn't say that.

[Hank Rogers]

Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:43:38 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:37:30 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 1:44:29 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 05:02:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody cares about vegetarians. Pork of some kind is traditional
>>>>>> in hoppin' john.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you make a vegetable product, it's not smart to exclude 10-15% of
>>>>> potential buyers by adding animal products. Companies generally care a
>>>>> lot about 10-15% more or less profit.
>>>>
>>>> It's not smart to exclude 100% of their actual buyers by making a
>>>> product that they wouldn't recognize as the named dish and wouldn't
>>>> enjoy the taste.
>>>
>>> Lima beans? Turnip greens?
>>
>> Apparently so. Southerners will put pork fat in anything.
>
> It's not a can of lima beans. It's a can of lima beans, animal fats
> and additives. It's crap. There's a market for crap, but it's still
> crap.
>

Oh, Please don't go and pout over it Fruce.

Don't cry.

Here, I'll even let you smell my ass. But make it fast!

[Hank Rogers]

Give up Gruce, she'll not allow you even a tiny whiff.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 3:03:43 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Southerners will put pork fat in anything.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

The food of the gods!

[Cindy Hamilton]

No, Cindy didn't say that. Cindy said this:

Perhaps half of the lima beans recipes call for pork.

That was from a trivial google, not real research. It followed a
search for turnip greens recipes, so Google was perhaps primed to
favor "southern-style" recipes.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

Well, you were closer to saying it than I was.

[songbird]

Bruce wrote:
...

> Margaret Holmes Hoppin John - Blackeye Peas, Peppers & Onions
>
> prepared blackeye peas, water, tomatoes, jalapeno pepe chloride) less
> than 2% of bacon fat, salt, dried onion, dried red/green be
> retention), natural flavors, pork stock, chicken fat, canola oil,
> soybean oil, smoke flavor, caramelized sugar, caramel color, spice,
> garlic powder, tbqh (antioxidant).
>
> Bacon fat? (How to make it not suited for vegetarians)

> Natural flavors? (Yuck, could be anything)
> Pork stock? (I thought this was blackeyed peas, peppers & onions)
> Chicken fat (Right, so much for a can of vegetables)
> Smoke flavor (What the hell would that be?)
> Caramelized sugar (Right, we're in the US.)
> Caramel color (Huh? What would it look like otherwise?)
> Tbqh (Come again?)
>
> How to ruin something that could have been quite natural and healthy.
>

> And all y'all eat this kind of stuff on a regular basis?

hell no! gross.

if i want black eye peas with mixed vegetables and spices
i'll make it myself and skip all that other crap.


songbird

[Ophelia]

"songbird" wrote in message news:u54rtg-...@anthive.com...

====

Which crap? Which would you use???

[jmcquown]

It's just Bruce trying to push a vegetarian agenda and his idea of what
"everyone" in the US eats. He has no clue.

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

Bruce has his panties in a wad over the "natural flavoring" in the
ingredients list for canned hoppin' John. Here's a recipe that
I turned up on Google:

<https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/hoppin_john/>

Cindy Hamilton

[songbird]

Ophelia wrote:
...

> if i want black eye peas with mixed vegetables and spices
> i'll make it myself and skip all that other crap.
>
>

> Which crap? Which would you use???

go back and look at the ingredients and remove all
the stuff that isn't food.

i.e. i rarely cook with bacon fat, never with chicken
fat, pork stock, nope, caramel color (only when i use soy
sauce that has it added), burned sugar can happen when i
fry some bbq but not often otherwise, smoke flavor, nope,
etc...

black eyed peas are good. mixed peppers and some garlic
powder and a bit of butter all good. the rest of it, yuck.


songbird

[Cindy Hamilton]

Yours is a good recipe, but it isn't Hoppin' John.

Cindy Hamilton

[Ophelia]

"songbird" wrote in message news:f2ortg-...@anthive.com...

]]]


===

Heck! I will save this and try to go over it again:)

[Bruce]

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 06:10:38 -0400, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
wrote:

Yeah, that seems the way to go.

[Bruce]

Not just over the natural flavoring. Over the fact that people consume
this science project.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 10:35:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>

I didn't say anything about what "everyone" in the US eats. You're
thick as a brick.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15PsqN0DHc>

[Ophelia]

"songbird" wrote in message news:f2ortg-...@anthive.com...

===

LOL ok:)))) I will save to to keep an eye on:)))

[Hank Rogers]

I bet that ruins the sniffing prospects for you Gruce.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 10:50:24 AM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>
> black eyed peas are good. mixed peppers and some garlic
> powder and a bit of butter all good. the rest of it, yuck.
>
>
> songbird
>

Here's an easy one and similar but not really Hoppin' John, just spicy
black-eyed peas.

2 cans of black-eyed peas, undrained
1 medium onion, diced
1 small can of Ro-Tel (mild or hot is your choice), undrained
1/4 cup uncooked rice
minced garlic or garlic powder if you like the taste
1 heaping teaspoon (more or less) of chili powder
1 can chicken broth or homemade if you have it
1 - 2 packages of cubed ham

Place all in a large saucepan, cover, bring to a simmer stirring occasionally
and cook for about 30-45 minutes. If more chicken broth is needed add to
thin out as much as you like. Recipe can be halved as it does make quite
a bit.

Serve over or with cornbread.

[cshenk]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 6:35:23 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >
> > I've never heard anyone say "all y'all" in the south
> > but then YOU are the 2nd most southern person here. Perhaps
> > that's an Aussie thing.
> >
> Really? It is said quite frequently in the South.
>
> "All y'all get in the car right now!"

I heared it more in the Smoky Mountians. (heared it is deliberate, yes
we talk like that).

[songbird]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

...

that mostly sounded ok, except for the chicken broth
(unless homemade). my last experience with chicken
broth bought from the store (a common name brand item
even) was that it tasted like something that came out
of a chemical factory. it tasted like plastic, it
smelled like plastic and it was horrible and ruined
what i made with it. luckily it wasn't an expensive
dish but it really was so bad that i rinsed off the
meat and then had to add a bunch of spices (basically
turning it into a different dish than what i was aiming
at) to get it to edible again.

since an animal gave it's life for this meal i sure
was not going to throw it away.

anyways, what you wrote sounded ok to me. homemade
broth of any kind is ok. sometimes the pastes or cubed
boullion is ok but i so rarely use these things that i
don't normally have them on my shopping list.


songbird

[Bruce]

Do you also say Mountians?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

The chicken broth is to help with cooking the rice and it's pretty neutral.
You could add just plain water but it'd be a tad bland. The homemade chicken broth would be much better but I don't make it. (Cue Gary to come running
in and laying down a lecture about what sorry ass cooks people are who
don't make their own.)

I do keep 'Better Than Bouillon' in the 'frig and use it frequently but the
cubes are just mini salt blocks to me.

[cshenk]

LOL! I love it! 'Hoppin' John' is not a specific recipe and probably
never was. I think it dates back to about 1800 but might be earlier.

I can't say as your chili powder version works (Possibly matches some
area and is a fine variation).

Mine's all made from scratch. We got dried beans in Lima, Black Eye,
and Navy types along with onions, ham, hambone, broth, and black smoked
pepper. Served with/over rice, it works well.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 5:38:04 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:

>
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > Here's an easy one and similar but not really Hoppin' John, just spicy
> > black-eyed peas.
> >

> LOL! I love it! 'Hoppin' John' is not a specific recipe and probably
> never was. I think it dates back to about 1800 but might be earlier.
>
> I can't say as your chili powder version works (Possibly matches some
> area and is a fine variation).
>
> Mine's all made from scratch. We got dried beans in Lima, Black Eye,
> and Navy types along with onions, ham, hambone, broth, and black smoked
> pepper. Served with/over rice, it works well.
>

It was actually given to me as 'spicy black-eyed peas' and it's rather
soupy so it's great over or with cornbread. You can either increase or
decrease the chicken broth/water to your liking. The amount of onions,
garlic, and chili powder is optional as well. But the chili powder really
adds something to it without it turning into a blow your head off dish.

[Gary]

songbird wrote:
>
> that mostly sounded ok, except for the chicken broth
> (unless homemade). my last experience with chicken
> broth bought from the store (a common name brand item
> even) was that it tasted like something that came out
> of a chemical factory.

For many early years, I always used canned or boxed
broth or stock. It was just one ingredient in a
recipe.

One day, I decided to taste it plain and was shocked.
Tasted very weak and like crap. More like dishwater.
Also contains chemicals, often salt.

Ever since, I've always made my own. All natural
ingredients and no salt either.

Turkey broth/stock is my favorite. Very flavorful,
much more than chicken. Only made from annual
turkey carcass though, never store bought.