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[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

If a Canadian citizen is arrested in another country for purchasing
cocaine will they face any charges in Canada?? Possible revocation
of their passport??

[Dave Smith]

Not that I know of. They will be entitled to consular services and our
government will try to make sure they get a fair trial. In some cases
they will arrange for the person to be sent back to Canada to serve some
or all of their sentence.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Ok, thanks. I didn't know if they would receive additional charges once back
in Canada or not. I didn't know if Canada would revoke his passport for
being a bad boy when out of the country. So, if convicted he may get to
serve his time in a Canadian prison/jail?

It was a tourist arrested here for a hand-to-hand purchase and it he was
released. From the website: "A judicial commissioner set his bond at
$3,000, and the Davidson County Sheriff’s Office gave him pre-trial release
from their facility." I'm guessing when it goes to trial, or they have a hearing
it will be through ZOOM.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2023-07-26 12:47 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> >
>> > If a Canadian citizen is arrested in another country for purchasing
>> > cocaine will they face any charges in Canada?? Possible revocation
>> > of their passport??
>> >
>> Not that I know of. They will be entitled to consular services and our
>> government will try to make sure they get a fair trial. In some cases
>> they will arrange for the person to be sent back to Canada to serve some
>> or all of their sentence.
>>
>Ok, thanks. I didn't know if they would receive additional charges once back
>in Canada or not. I didn't know if Canada would revoke his passport for
>being a bad boy when out of the country.

Can a passport be revoked if that would leave the person stateless?

[Dave Smith]

On 2023-07-26 4:20 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:

>>>
>> Not that I know of. They will be entitled to consular services and our
>> government will try to make sure they get a fair trial. In some cases
>> they will arrange for the person to be sent back to Canada to serve some
>> or all of their sentence.
>>
> Ok, thanks. I didn't know if they would receive additional charges once back
> in Canada or not. I didn't know if Canada would revoke his passport for
> being a bad boy when out of the country. So, if convicted he may get to
> serve his time in a Canadian prison/jail?

They usually have to spent part of their sentence in a US jail and that
means hard time. We give them the Nerf punishment here. Sentences tend
to be a lot shorter and after they served 2/3 they are almost always
released.

>
> It was a tourist arrested here for a hand-to-hand purchase and it he was
> released. From the website: "A judicial commissioner set his bond at
> $3,000, and the Davidson County Sheriff’s Office gave him pre-trial release
> from their facility." I'm guessing when it goes to trial, or they have a hearing
> it will be through ZOOM.

We have way too many people who go out of the country on vacation and
when they get busted they think the Canadian government has some sort of
Get Out of Jail Free card and expect the prime minister to make a call
and get them sprung. They need to learn to behave themselves when they
are in another country.

I do remember on case of a guy getting a bum deal. He was in Niagara
Falls NY and got nailed for DUI. He was convicted, paid a heft fine and
his license was suspended. Ontario has reciprocal license suspensions
and a special one for DUI. The problem was that the legal BAC in Ontario
is .08 and in NY it is only .05. He blew only .06, illegal in NY but
legal in Ontario. He got his license back from US authorities but then
the records were slow getting to Ontario and he ended up suspended again
in Ontario for something that is not illegal here.

[Hank Rogers]

Don't worry. Your canadian doper friend won't have any problems
with american charges. In canada, dope is less concern than a
parking ticket.


If he's russian or from eastern europe, they'll probably give
him an award for getting arrested in nashborough.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 5:01:53 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >
> Don't worry. Your canadian doper friend won't have any problems
> with american charges. In canada, dope is less concern than a
> parking ticket.
>

He wasn't/isn't a friend of mine. It was reported on the local Scoop website.
They report on arrests in the area, mainly in the entertainment district. It was
a Canadian guy caught doing a hand-to-hand transaction. Normally, it's just the
U. S. citizens that get arrested here for being complete idiots. I was wondering
if there would be any repercussions when he got home.

On the show "Customs" they show border crossings from the U.S. into Canada and
if a visitor has a conviction for even minor stuff they are denied entrance.

[Dave Smith]

There are indeed criminal convictions that will get you denied entry to
Canada. DUI is one of them. There are lots of crimes that will cause
Canadians to be denied entry into the US, like simple possession of
marijuana.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Yes! I had watched a couple of the shows and one guy was denied entry
into Canada from a DUI conviction of many years previous. Another one,
family were crossing the border to finalize a deal for a car for the daughter.
Dad had a conviction of previous marijuana use and he was denied entry,
but the family was allowed in to buy the car.

[GM]

DUI can get you a ten - year ban...

Knew a guy in Denver who got one. He traveled a lot to Canada for work, usually to the Prairies...

Couldn't travel there for ten years, absolutely no exceptions - he had to find a new gig...

--
GM

[Michael Trew]

On 7/26/2023 5:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I do remember on case of a guy getting a bum deal. He was in Niagara
> Falls NY and got nailed for DUI. He was convicted, paid a heft fine and
> his license was suspended. Ontario has reciprocal license suspensions
> and a special one for DUI. The problem was that the legal BAC in Ontario
> is .08 and in NY it is only .05. He blew only .06, illegal in NY but
> legal in Ontario. He got his license back from US authorities but then
> the records were slow getting to Ontario and he ended up suspended again
> in Ontario for something that is not illegal here.

It sounds like he should learn some self restraint.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 10:26:19 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>
> DUI can get you a ten - year ban...
>
> Knew a guy in Denver who got one. He traveled a lot to Canada for work, usually to the Prairies...
>
> Couldn't travel there for ten years, absolutely no exceptions - he had to find a new gig...
>

> GM
>
I had seen either "To Catch a Smuggler" or it might have been "Border Patrol" or even
"Customs" and they were searching a young German's luggage. He was heading back
home after attending the Coachella concert and he was facing a possible 10-year ban
on his passport from re-entering the USA. That smile dropped like a melted candle
when they found lots of marijuana shake in his luggage.

[GM]

That was one "sauer Kraut", I'd guess...!!!

<groan>

:o)

--
GM

[GM]

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:48:36 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

And any future trip to the US he'd have to apply in - person in Germany for a US visa, the wait time would be many months...

He would be unable to use the quick electronic ESTA visa waiver program:

https://www.estaform.org/do-european-citizens-need-a-visa-for-usa


Any travelers planning to visit the US in the future must be aware of the travel authorisation requirements that the US operates with. The US has a Visa System in place for non-US citizens who wish to travel to the US.

However, for citizens from certain countries and many European countries, a visa is not required for tourism or business trips. This is because the US has an agreement with 40 countries that they are members of the Visa Waiver Program, which means they can visit the US using an ESTA instead.

Visa Waiver Program: The Overview

The majority of the European countries are members of the Visa Waiver Program. Out of the current EU countries, only Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, and Romania are not included in the Visa Waiver Program. Therefore the citizens from these countries must apply for a US visa.

Poland is the most recent country to be added to the VWP. Conversations happen regularly between the US and the officials from the remaining non-VWP EU countries regarding becoming members to become members in the future.

Benefits of using an ESTA

There are many benefits of being able to apply for an ESTA as opposed to applying for a US visa. For example, the process is much quicker, and the ESTA can usually be applied for and confirmed within just a few hours.

Applying for a US visa, on the other hand, involves attending an interview at the US embassy and completing a much longer form. The processing time for a US visa can take weeks or even months, so the ESTA is a much more convenient option for people who are just visiting the US for tourism or business purposes.

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[S Viemeister]

That would be against international law.
There's a case like that in the UK, over the past few years - one of the
'Isis brides' has been protesting her loss of UK citizenship. The UK
says she has another citizenship through her father, but his country
says she doesn't.

[Bruce]

I guess they don't want her either.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-26, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> There are indeed criminal convictions that will get you denied entry to
> Canada. DUI is one of them. There are lots of crimes that will cause
> Canadians to be denied entry into the US, like simple possession of
> marijuana.

Surely, if a Canadian miscreant crossed the border in Washington State
with bales of marijuana on a utility trailer, they'd get a parade.

[Dave Smith]

They might expect one, but I doubt it would happen ;-)
I can imagine they will get onto social media and whine about their
mistreatment and try to start a campaign to Prime Minister Dress-Up to
intervene and get them released.

[Bruce]

On 28 Jul 2023 21:36:39 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

I thought marijuana was legalised in the US. I can't believe it still
hasn't been legalised in Australia. It's not always a good idea to
follow what the UK does.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-28, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I thought marijuana was legalised in the US. I can't believe it still
> hasn't been legalised in Australia. It's not always a good idea to
> follow what the UK does.

Certain states. Mine's one. So is Washington. Marijuana is still
federally illegal which makes the federal/state law statutes
conflict. For instance, banking and transportation laws. The feds
win with conflict over state lines.
Stay tuned. I expect Mary Jane to be legalized nationally in the near
future. NORML will win. Nowadays, NAMBLA is making a strong run as well.
Money pumped to politicians always wins over common sense.

[Bruce]

On 28 Jul 2023 22:48:03 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

North American Man/Boy Love Association
www.nambla.org

Leo?