Oh ick. Thanks for the warning. Luckily one can get breaded fish
products that do contain solid fish.
--
Jean B.
But how about those great prices at the big box mart? They have
everybody trained that price is all that matters. You weren't supposed
to notice they substituted fish paste for real fish.
Well, maybe Mrs. Paul's is better. At least, they came up with one
of the most clever commercials that I've seen lately:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRO2j8Fu6QY
pavane
Interesting... Van De Kamps has the exact same commercial :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTx2yNmHdgA&NR=1
Jill
--Bryan
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTx2yNmHdgA&NR=1
it is interesting that Gorton's is owned by a Japanese company, which
until recently fished whales for "research". Let me be clear; they have
stopped whale killing.
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
White fish fillets....still crap.
Any indication of the country of origin?
In other industries, Warren Buffet's modus operandi
is to buy American companies with good brands,
move production to China and really cheapen the
product, then feed on the previous reputation
of the company.
I haven't seen this happen in food products,
but maybe this is the start of a trend.
I've heard that a lot of fish processing is
taking place in China, even fish harvested in
American waters are being cut into fillets in
China, then shipped back here. I don't know
whether that product would be marked as coming
from China. It would make sense that they'd
have to think of something to do with the
trimmings and scrapings.
In the late 60's, Howard Johnson's restaurants used to have an AYCE fish
dinner served with rolls, french fries and cole slaw. $1.29 I was a
cook there while in High School and we were very busy every Friday night.
I went away to college and one Friday night, I and about 15 of my
college buddies went to the local HoJo's and tried to eat them out of
business. I introduced myself to the manager and he was pretty cool
about it and we all had a good time. He invited us back but asked us to
call ahead so they could be better prepared.
George L
Pinnacle Food Group owns both companies, probably distributes
Mrs. Paul's in the East and Van De Kamps in the West:
http://www.pinnaclefoodscorp.com/public/brands/van-de-kamps.htm
pavane
Have you seen the movie "Soylent Green"? It's coming to us soon, food
will be further engineered.
My wife had the exact same experience as you did. She quickly realized
that the fish was now "minced" in the Gorton's box.
Add to the fact that so many fish are aquaculture raised, being fed CORN!
Buyer beware!
Check out this great article from The Ethicurean -
'There Be Dragons: Examining the alternatives to unsustainable aquaculture
fish feed :: The Ethicurean: Chew the right thing.'
(http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/11/22/aquaculture-2/)
--
ChefToddMohr
Have you seen the movie "Soylent Green"? It's coming to us soon, food
will be further engineered.
My wife had the exact same experience as you did. She quickly realized
that the fish was now "minced" in the Gorton's box.
Add to the fact that so many fish are aquaculture raised, being fed CORN!
Buyer beware!
Check out this great article from The Epicurean -
Are you sure they have stopped killing all whales for any reason?
Somehow I think they still do but I can't recall the specific article.
thanks.
aloha,
Cea
Let me see if I have this right: You've been under the weather with
pneumonia or some such, so you have now gone shopping and purchased
"convenience" "foods" that will finish the job the pneumonia started and
we will have to have a dead spread cookoff for you...
Every 18 months...and you still don't learn. You are hereby bestowed
the title of Master Dimwit.
Jill
In the '70s the HoJo's here had AYCE fried clams. At the time I had
yet to discover the joy of clams.
>
> George L
--Bryan
But...but...you said it yourself, the rectangle was almost perfect.
Fish sticks are a slumming food that I buy infrequently when they are
super cheap. My wife and son wouldn't touch them, being spoiled on
much better fish.
>
> Andy
--Bryan
my mistake. I snipped incorrectly.
Thanks
>> jmcquown wrote on Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:08:27 -0500:
>>
>> it is interesting that Gorton's is owned by a Japanese
>> company, which until recently fished whales for "research".
>> Let me be clear; they have stopped whale killing.
> Are you sure they have stopped killing all whales for any
> reason? Somehow I think they still do but I can't recall the
> specific article
I don't remember the name of the Japanese company concerned but I am
quite sure that some Japanese companies are still killing whales.
I don't mind that I am not referred to but jmcquown seems to.
Jean B. wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
>> months. I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
>> "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
>> fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>>
>> Now? The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
>> used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.
>>
>> I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
>> real food left anywhere.
>>
>> -sw
>
> Oh ick. Thanks for the warning. Luckily one can get breaded fish
> products that do contain solid fish.
Gorton's battered cod has been made from minced fish forever. Their breaded
fillets are made from solid fish, but not cod. If you want cod it will
normally be shredded, as that has been the preference for centuries. The
only market for 'fresh' cod (non-shredded) has been Britain for their fish
and chips. Everything else, bacala etc, is made from dried, or salt cod.
Gorton's isn't ripping anyone off.
Good batter will always be thicker than breading, whether it's on chicken or
fish or vegs.
Actually, almost 100% if commercial fish products are processed on the ship
that caught them. The only variation is local fisherman who still bring
their catch to the docks. Even the American shrimpers in the Gulf, and
fisherman off both North coasts have factory ships.
So, you're saying we can't "trust the Gorton's fisherman"?
Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:24:19 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>
> > Oh ick. Thanks for the warning. Luckily one can get breaded fish
> > products that do contain solid fish.
>
> CostCo has a 4lb bag of solid, lightly breaded fish sticks for $9
> that would be excellent - if they had any taste. They're
> super-bland. Great execution, but lousy follow-through.
>
> http://www.tridentseafoods.com/retail/products.php?id=564
We get those. They are good enough for what they are. By the time they
are dipped in my faux rouille (sambal oelek/tuong ot toi plus minced
garlic in mayonnaise) they taste pretty decent LOL! Or hoisin sauce
works too.
They are good on a sandwich with lettuce, coriander/cilantro leaves and
nuoc mam.
>
> I know to look carefully on things like fish sticks and onions rings
> (made from minced/formed crap), so now I have to add "fish fillets"
> to that list.
>
> -sw
Haven't looked at what fillet products Sam's or Costco sell to see if
any are whole fillet. We make our own from time to time.
> I think I'll try the Tombstone pizza tonight. I mean, for $2.50,
> how bad could it be? <cough>. I've never really noticed the frozen
> pizza section before. It literally takes up 2/3rds of one side of
> the isle!
Tombstone is so aptly named. I recall that a study once named it the
worst for fat, salt and calories.
The butter, cream and cheese don't have lactose, and if the sour cream
does, it isn'y much.
>
> 2 lbs of 30% fat sausage, 2lbs of 20% fat chuck roast, foiled turkey
> gravy mix, refined sugar + egg noodles + flour (simple
> carbohydrates), bread crumbs (chemical city), commercial broth laden
> with hidden MSG....
Aside from the gravy mix, and maybe the soup, that's a pretty nice
shopping trip.
>
> Somewhere I missed your point.
He posted his grocery receipt.
>
> -sw
--Bryan
I rarely buy the processed fish sticks, but I think Mrs. Pauls was the one I
bought not long ago for a quick meal. It was a beer battered one and it
certainly looked like real filets when you cut into it with a fork. Tasty,
too.
Maybe it's dolphins instead or alo?
Sky
--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!
> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:15:23 -0500, pavane wrote:
>>
>>> Pinnacle Food Group owns both companies, probably distributes
>>> Mrs. Paul's in the East and Van De Kamps in the West:
>>> http://www.pinnaclefoodscorp.com/public/brands/van-de-kamps.htm
>>
>> I remember buying Mrs Paul's in California. Last night I was
>> specifically looking for Mrs Pauls battered rubber bands (AKA
>> breaded clam strips - Howard Johnson Style) when I settled for the
>> battered fish paste. But I don't think we have MP here in Texas.
>> and if we have Van De Kamp, it's not carried at the chain where I
>> shop.
>>
>> Last night I bought a bunch of stuff I would not normally buy.
>> Frozen grilled cheese soft pretzels, frozen pizza, frozen burritos,
>> battered fish fillets, breaded okra (boy, did THAT suck!), wine
>> coolers, beef kidney (I've still never had kidneys), ring bologna
>> (gonna try pickling it), and some Suave body wash (by accident - I
>> thought it was shampoo).
>>
>> I think I'll try the Tombstone pizza tonight. I mean, for $2.50,
>> how bad could it be? <cough>. I've never really noticed the frozen
>> pizza section before. It literally takes up 2/3rds of one side of
>> the isle!
>>
>> -sw
>>
>> -sw
>
> Let me see if I have this right: You've been under the weather with
> pneumonia or some such, so you have now gone shopping and purchased
> "convenience" "foods" that will finish the job the pneumonia started
> and we will have to have a dead spread cookoff for you...
Lol...we see Pete here is "on the ball" re: The Sqwertz...
Good show, Pete...!!!
--
Best
Greg
I went to a restaurant once, and picked fish and chips since nothing
else sounded good. It was exactly like what you described. chopped up
fish junk instead a batter. It was disgusting.
I haven't actually bought a fish stick or Gorton's product since I
hated them even as a child. Thankfully, that stuff didn't ruin my
taste for fish. I like most types of fish, and a plain fillet or
roast, without any sauce or seasoning is just fine by me. Or deep
fried with a light cracker coating. Yum!
I notice weight/volume. Bigbox has everyone trained only to consider price.
And talking about big box quality I was in someones office yesterday and
they said take a look at the ingredients list of some "peanut butter"
cheese crackers they had purchased at everyone's favorite bigbox low
everyday price store walmart.
In tiny type it reported that the "peanut butter" layer contained <2%
peanut butter with the rest of the "peanut butter" layer consisting of
various industrial stuff!
What's so bad about fat, salt and calories? Problem is the crust.
Since there seems to be no way to get a nice crust with a frozen
pizza, just the least crust possible is best. If I didn't have a
child, I doubt I'd ever buy one.
--Bryan
>I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
>months. I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
>"whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
>fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>
>Now? The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
>used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.
>
>I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
>real food left anywhere.
>
>-sw
Does it say product of China anywhere on the box?
All these inferior products from China AREN'T the fault of the Chinese, if they
weren't acceptable to the corporation they would have been rejected by quality
control.
--Bryan
My youngest son buys frozen pizzas, and it says "crust rises as it
bakes" on the package, but I forget the brand. It tastes pretty good,
especially after he adds pepperoni and mozzarella to the pizza. ;-)
Becca
Lots of brands do that. I remember when they first
started appearing, a representative of one of the
companies went on the Today show, and whoever
interviewed him asked what makes it rise. He seemed
confused for a moment, then said "Yeast", which is
wrong. They have baking powder in them. The ones
I've examined have aluminum-based compounds in the
baking powder. Even though the scientific evidence
doesn't support consumer fears of aluminum, I don't
feel like taking even the slightest risk to eat
a frozen pizza. I might take a risk to try out
the U.S.-grown so-called "Kobe" beef, but there the
risk/reward balance is a little closer to being
in my favor.
I pay attention to the unit price, not the package size or price.
Fortunately the unit price is still required to be listed on the price
label, so you don't have to calculate it yourself all the time.
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:15:06 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > I pay attention to the unit price, not the package size or price.
> > Fortunately the unit price is still required to be listed on the
> > price label, so you don't have to calculate it yourself all the
> > time.
>
> Unit prices are mandatory?
>
> Half the time I find their "units" ridiculous (ounces when it should
> be pounds, or something silly like that).
How about the very useful unit price, "XX per each".
Brian
--
Day 304 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project
Pete, why are you concerned about what he eats when he's sick? I definitely
don't feel like cooking when I'm under the weather. It's bad enough to go
grocery shopping when you feel like crap, forget about cooking. The closest
I get to cooking when I have the flu (forget about pneumonia) is a can of
Campbell's tomato soup and a grilled cheese sandwich... and often that feels
like too much work.
Jill
There is ZERO evidence that aluminum is harmful. From what I've
heard, the only studies that suggested it used faked data.
--Bryan
I believe California Pizza Kitchen also does that,
which is why I've never eaten their pizza.
> Actually, it appears that the industry has a category for "unbaked
> and rising crust pizzas".
I'm sure there's more brands than just those.
I wonder why nobody had invented rising
crusts back when frozen pizza was invented.
There must have been some difficult technical
problem, like mixing the dough, rolling it out,
and freezing it before the baking powder can
react.
Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:56:56 -0700, Arri London wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> >> CostCo has a 4lb bag of solid, lightly breaded fish sticks for $9
> >> that would be excellent - if they had any taste. They're
> >> super-bland. Great execution, but lousy follow-through.
> >>
> >> http://www.tridentseafoods.com/retail/products.php?id=564
> >
> > We get those. They are good enough for what they are. By the time they
> > are dipped in my faux rouille (sambal oelek/tuong ot toi plus minced
> > garlic in mayonnaise) they taste pretty decent LOL! Or hoisin sauce
> > works too.
>
> I tried every sauce and seasoned salt I could think of and nothing
> really worked for me.
Ah well. Hardly a necessary article of diet in any case :)
>
> > They are good on a sandwich with lettuce, coriander/cilantro leaves and
> > nuoc mam.
>
> I didn't think about a sandwich. That would probably work.
>
> -sw
Try it on a decent roll. Mayonnaise is optional.
But I'm speaking in vain. Today's trip to Costco turned up a total lack
of Trident fish sticks! Trident batter-coated fish fillets, pointedly
marked 'whole fillets', but not sticks. Our local Sam's Club hasn't
carried them before but perhaps they have taken up the slack.