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Jean B.

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Dec 2, 2009, 11:24:19 AM12/2/09
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Sqwertz wrote:
> I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
> months. I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
> "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
> fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>
> Now? The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
> used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.
>
> I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
> real food left anywhere.
>
> -sw

Oh ick. Thanks for the warning. Luckily one can get breaded fish
products that do contain solid fish.

--
Jean B.

George

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Dec 2, 2009, 11:38:29 AM12/2/09
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Sqwertz wrote:
> I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
> months. I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
> "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
> fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>
> Now? The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
> used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.
>
> I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
> real food left anywhere.
>
> -sw

But how about those great prices at the big box mart? They have
everybody trained that price is all that matters. You weren't supposed
to notice they substituted fish paste for real fish.

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pavane

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Dec 2, 2009, 1:08:13 PM12/2/09
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"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message news:1wly9ccf4w9qc$.prn@sqwertz.com...

|I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
| months. I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
| "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
| fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
|
| Now? The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
| used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.
|
| I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
| real food left anywhere.
|
| -sw

Well, maybe Mrs. Paul's is better. At least, they came up with one
of the most clever commercials that I've seen lately:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRO2j8Fu6QY

pavane


jmcquown

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"pavane" <pav...@somewhere.something.com> wrote in message
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Interesting... Van De Kamps has the exact same commercial :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTx2yNmHdgA&NR=1

Jill

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On Dec 2, 8:33 am, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
> months.  I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
> "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
> fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>
>
I the early '80s I used to be crazy about those things. I gave up red
meat and chicken for 6 months for a silly reason I won't go into here,
and I used to fry those suckers up in a Fry Daddy nearly every day.
About 15 years ago, Long John Silver's used to have all-you-can-eat
fish on Sundays. I used to squeeze several lemons with my Cuisinart
and take the juice with me. My record was 12 pieces.
They're not bad baked, but are much better fried. Oven fried anything
is silly.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

James Silverton

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Dec 2, 2009, 2:47:02 PM12/2/09
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTx2yNmHdgA&NR=1

it is interesting that Gorton's is owned by a Japanese company, which
until recently fished whales for "research". Let me be clear; they have
stopped whale killing.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Chemo the Clown

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Dec 2, 2009, 2:49:39 PM12/2/09
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On Dec 2, 10:08 am, "pavane" <pav...@somewhere.something.com> wrote:
> "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in messagenews:1wly9ccf4w9qc$.prn@sqwertz.com...

White fish fillets....still crap.

Mark Thorson

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Dec 2, 2009, 3:07:27 PM12/2/09
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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
> months. I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
> "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
> fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>
> Now? The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
> used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.

Any indication of the country of origin?

In other industries, Warren Buffet's modus operandi
is to buy American companies with good brands,
move production to China and really cheapen the
product, then feed on the previous reputation
of the company.

I haven't seen this happen in food products,
but maybe this is the start of a trend.
I've heard that a lot of fish processing is
taking place in China, even fish harvested in
American waters are being cut into fillets in
China, then shipped back here. I don't know
whether that product would be marked as coming
from China. It would make sense that they'd
have to think of something to do with the
trimmings and scrapings.

George Leppla

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Food Snob� wrote:
> On Dec 2, 8:33 am, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>> I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
>> months. I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
>> "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
>> fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>>
>>
> I the early '80s I used to be crazy about those things. I gave up red
> meat and chicken for 6 months for a silly reason I won't go into here,
> and I used to fry those suckers up in a Fry Daddy nearly every day.
> About 15 years ago, Long John Silver's used to have all-you-can-eat
> fish on Sundays. I used to squeeze several lemons with my Cuisinart
> and take the juice with me. My record was 12 pieces.

In the late 60's, Howard Johnson's restaurants used to have an AYCE fish
dinner served with rolls, french fries and cole slaw. $1.29 I was a
cook there while in High School and we were very busy every Friday night.

I went away to college and one Friday night, I and about 15 of my
college buddies went to the local HoJo's and tried to eat them out of
business. I introduced myself to the manager and he was pretty cool
about it and we all had a good time. He invited us back but asked us to
call ahead so they could be better prepared.

George L

pavane

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Dec 2, 2009, 3:15:23 PM12/2/09
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"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:7nns9fF...@mid.individual.net...

Pinnacle Food Group owns both companies, probably distributes
Mrs. Paul's in the East and Van De Kamps in the West:
http://www.pinnaclefoodscorp.com/public/brands/van-de-kamps.htm

pavane

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ChefToddMohr

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Dec 2, 2009, 11:06:30 AM12/2/09
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I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
real food left anywhere.
-sw

Have you seen the movie "Soylent Green"? It's coming to us soon, food
will be further engineered.

My wife had the exact same experience as you did. She quickly realized
that the fish was now "minced" in the Gorton's box.

Add to the fact that so many fish are aquaculture raised, being fed CORN!
Buyer beware!

Check out this great article from The Ethicurean -
'There Be Dragons: Examining the alternatives to unsustainable aquaculture
fish feed :: The Ethicurean: Chew the right thing.'
(http://www.ethicurean.com/2009/11/22/aquaculture-2/)


--
ChefToddMohr

ChefToddMohr

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Dec 2, 2009, 10:54:08 AM12/2/09
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I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
real food left anywhere.
-sw

Have you seen the movie "Soylent Green"? It's coming to us soon, food
will be further engineered.

My wife had the exact same experience as you did. She quickly realized
that the fish was now "minced" in the Gorton's box.

Add to the fact that so many fish are aquaculture raised, being fed CORN!
Buyer beware!

Check out this great article from The Epicurean -

pure kona

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Dec 2, 2009, 4:02:02 PM12/2/09
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Are you sure they have stopped killing all whales for any reason?
Somehow I think they still do but I can't recall the specific article.

thanks.

aloha,
Cea

Pete C.

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Dec 2, 2009, 4:38:09 PM12/2/09
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Sqwertz wrote:

>
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:15:23 -0500, pavane wrote:
>
> > Pinnacle Food Group owns both companies, probably distributes
> > Mrs. Paul's in the East and Van De Kamps in the West:
> > http://www.pinnaclefoodscorp.com/public/brands/van-de-kamps.htm
>
> I remember buying Mrs Paul's in California. Last night I was
> specifically looking for Mrs Pauls battered rubber bands (AKA
> breaded clam strips - Howard Johnson Style) when I settled for the
> battered fish paste. But I don't think we have MP here in Texas.
> and if we have Van De Kamp, it's not carried at the chain where I
> shop.
>
> Last night I bought a bunch of stuff I would not normally buy.
> Frozen grilled cheese soft pretzels, frozen pizza, frozen burritos,
> battered fish fillets, breaded okra (boy, did THAT suck!), wine
> coolers, beef kidney (I've still never had kidneys), ring bologna
> (gonna try pickling it), and some Suave body wash (by accident - I
> thought it was shampoo).
>
> I think I'll try the Tombstone pizza tonight. I mean, for $2.50,
> how bad could it be? <cough>. I've never really noticed the frozen
> pizza section before. It literally takes up 2/3rds of one side of
> the isle!
>
> -sw
>
> -sw

Let me see if I have this right: You've been under the weather with
pneumonia or some such, so you have now gone shopping and purchased
"convenience" "foods" that will finish the job the pneumonia started and
we will have to have a dead spread cookoff for you...

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Chemo the Clown

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Dec 2, 2009, 5:33:57 PM12/2/09
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On Dec 2, 6:33 am, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
> months.  I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
> "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
> fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>
> Now?  The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
> used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.
>
> I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
> real food left anywhere.
>
> -sw

Every 18 months...and you still don't learn. You are hereby bestowed
the title of Master Dimwit.

jmcquown

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"pure kona" <ko...@smithfarms.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:47:02 -0500, "James Silverton"
> <not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote on Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:08:27 -0500:
>>
>>
>>it is interesting that Gorton's is owned by a Japanese company, which
>>until recently fished whales for "research". Let me be clear; they have
>>stopped whale killing.
>
Why is this in any way attributed to me? I didn't write anything about
Gorton's nor whales nor Japan.

Jill

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Food Snob®

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Dec 2, 2009, 5:57:11 PM12/2/09
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In the '70s the HoJo's here had AYCE fried clams. At the time I had
yet to discover the joy of clams.
>
> George L

--Bryan

Food Snob®

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Dec 2, 2009, 6:01:16 PM12/2/09
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On Dec 2, 4:55 pm, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
> As a kid, I was having Mrs. Paul fish sticks for lunch at the kitchen table
> and I was playing with it, disinterested, when I forked off a good portion
> of the breading.
>
> There was, from my point of view, a straight edge running along the fish.
>
> I spent a few minutes carefully picking the other breading away and what
> was left was an almost perfect rectangle of pressed fish.
>
> I didn't like fish sticks so much after that.

But...but...you said it yourself, the rectangle was almost perfect.
Fish sticks are a slumming food that I buy infrequently when they are
super cheap. My wife and son wouldn't touch them, being spoiled on
much better fish.
>
> Andy

--Bryan

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lil abner

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Dec 2, 2009, 6:07:28 PM12/2/09
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All you have to do is look at labels. The replacement of wholesome and
safe foods with imports from China, Asia and eastern Europe is getting
worse.
If you spent anytime in Vietnam or the whole, of Asia you know how they
handle foods. Enough said.
Most Jerky is from anywhere in eastern Europe, Australia and of course
Asia. It is brought here in bulk and packaged in the USA.
They are eliminating American Industry now our Dairy, and food Agriculture.
If it continues we will have food basically of feed stocks of soy and
grains processed and mixed with some real foods.

pure kona

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On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 17:53:21 -0500, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

my mistake. I snipped incorrectly.
Thanks

James Silverton

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pure wrote on Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:02:02 -1000:

>> jmcquown wrote on Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:08:27 -0500:
>>
>> it is interesting that Gorton's is owned by a Japanese
>> company, which until recently fished whales for "research".
>> Let me be clear; they have stopped whale killing.

> Are you sure they have stopped killing all whales for any
> reason? Somehow I think they still do but I can't recall the
> specific article

I don't remember the name of the Japanese company concerned but I am
quite sure that some Japanese companies are still killing whales.

I don't mind that I am not referred to but jmcquown seems to.

K

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Jean B. wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
>> months. I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
>> "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
>> fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>>
>> Now? The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
>> used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.
>>

>> I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
>> real food left anywhere.
>>
>> -sw
>

> Oh ick. Thanks for the warning. Luckily one can get breaded fish
> products that do contain solid fish.

Gorton's battered cod has been made from minced fish forever. Their breaded
fillets are made from solid fish, but not cod. If you want cod it will
normally be shredded, as that has been the preference for centuries. The
only market for 'fresh' cod (non-shredded) has been Britain for their fish
and chips. Everything else, bacala etc, is made from dried, or salt cod.
Gorton's isn't ripping anyone off.

Good batter will always be thicker than breading, whether it's on chicken or
fish or vegs.


K

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Dec 2, 2009, 7:31:39 PM12/2/09
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Actually, almost 100% if commercial fish products are processed on the ship
that caught them. The only variation is local fisherman who still bring
their catch to the docks. Even the American shrimpers in the Gulf, and
fisherman off both North coasts have factory ships.


Doc

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Dec 2, 2009, 7:42:39 PM12/2/09
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On Dec 2, 9:33 am, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
> months.  I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
> "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
> fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>
> Now?  The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
> used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.


So, you're saying we can't "trust the Gorton's fisherman"?

Arri London

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Dec 2, 2009, 7:56:56 PM12/2/09
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Sqwertz wrote:


>
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:24:19 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>
> > Oh ick. Thanks for the warning. Luckily one can get breaded fish
> > products that do contain solid fish.
>

> CostCo has a 4lb bag of solid, lightly breaded fish sticks for $9
> that would be excellent - if they had any taste. They're
> super-bland. Great execution, but lousy follow-through.
>
> http://www.tridentseafoods.com/retail/products.php?id=564

We get those. They are good enough for what they are. By the time they
are dipped in my faux rouille (sambal oelek/tuong ot toi plus minced
garlic in mayonnaise) they taste pretty decent LOL! Or hoisin sauce
works too.
They are good on a sandwich with lettuce, coriander/cilantro leaves and
nuoc mam.

>
> I know to look carefully on things like fish sticks and onions rings
> (made from minced/formed crap), so now I have to add "fish fillets"
> to that list.
>
> -sw

Haven't looked at what fillet products Sam's or Costco sell to see if
any are whole fillet. We make our own from time to time.

Pete C.

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Dec 2, 2009, 7:53:13 PM12/2/09
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Sqwertz wrote:

>
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:38:09 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Let me see if I have this right: You've been under the weather with
> > pneumonia or some such, so you have now gone shopping and purchased
> > "convenience" "foods" that will finish the job the pneumonia started and
> > we will have to have a dead spread cookoff for you...
>
> Yeah - I should be making my own bologna and harvesting my own beef
> kidneys.
>
> Post the receipt from you last grocery shopping trip.
>
> -sw

http://wpnet.us/receipt.jpg

Kalmia

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On Dec 2, 3:56 pm, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:

> I think I'll try the Tombstone pizza tonight.  I mean, for $2.50,
> how bad could it be? <cough>.  I've never really noticed the frozen
> pizza section before.  It literally takes up 2/3rds of one side of
> the isle!


Tombstone is so aptly named. I recall that a study once named it the
worst for fat, salt and calories.

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On Dec 2, 8:10 pm, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> 2 quarts of cream, 2 pints of sour cream, 1.5lbs of cheese, 1 pound
> of butter (and some Lactaid for all the above - nice touch!).

The butter, cream and cheese don't have lactose, and if the sour cream
does, it isn'y much.
>
> 2 lbs of 30% fat sausage, 2lbs of 20% fat chuck roast, foiled turkey
> gravy mix, refined sugar + egg noodles + flour (simple
> carbohydrates), bread crumbs (chemical city), commercial broth laden
> with hidden MSG....

Aside from the gravy mix, and maybe the soup, that's a pretty nice
shopping trip.
>
> Somewhere I missed your point.

He posted his grocery receipt.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

Cheryl

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"pavane" <pav...@somewhere.something.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> news:1wly9ccf4w9qc$.prn@sqwertz.com...

> |I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
> | months. I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
> | "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
> | fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
> |
> | Now? The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
> | used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.
> |
> | I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
> | real food left anywhere.
> |
> | -sw
>
> Well, maybe Mrs. Paul's is better. At least, they came up with one
> of the most clever commercials that I've seen lately:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRO2j8Fu6QY

I rarely buy the processed fish sticks, but I think Mrs. Pauls was the one I
bought not long ago for a quick meal. It was a beer battered one and it
certainly looked like real filets when you cut into it with a fork. Tasty,
too.


Sky

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James Silverton wrote:
>
> pure wrote on Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:02:02 -1000:
>
> > Are you sure they have stopped killing all whales for any
> > reason? Somehow I think they still do but I can't recall the
> > specific article
>
> I don't remember the name of the Japanese company concerned but I am
> quite sure that some Japanese companies are still killing whales.


Maybe it's dolphins instead or alo?

Sky

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Gregory Morrow

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Dec 3, 2009, 1:52:54 AM12/3/09
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Pete C. wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:15:23 -0500, pavane wrote:
>>
>>> Pinnacle Food Group owns both companies, probably distributes
>>> Mrs. Paul's in the East and Van De Kamps in the West:
>>> http://www.pinnaclefoodscorp.com/public/brands/van-de-kamps.htm
>>
>> I remember buying Mrs Paul's in California. Last night I was
>> specifically looking for Mrs Pauls battered rubber bands (AKA
>> breaded clam strips - Howard Johnson Style) when I settled for the
>> battered fish paste. But I don't think we have MP here in Texas.
>> and if we have Van De Kamp, it's not carried at the chain where I
>> shop.
>>
>> Last night I bought a bunch of stuff I would not normally buy.
>> Frozen grilled cheese soft pretzels, frozen pizza, frozen burritos,
>> battered fish fillets, breaded okra (boy, did THAT suck!), wine
>> coolers, beef kidney (I've still never had kidneys), ring bologna
>> (gonna try pickling it), and some Suave body wash (by accident - I
>> thought it was shampoo).


>>
>> I think I'll try the Tombstone pizza tonight. I mean, for $2.50,
>> how bad could it be? <cough>. I've never really noticed the frozen
>> pizza section before. It literally takes up 2/3rds of one side of
>> the isle!
>>

>> -sw
>>
>> -sw


>
> Let me see if I have this right: You've been under the weather with
> pneumonia or some such, so you have now gone shopping and purchased
> "convenience" "foods" that will finish the job the pneumonia started
> and we will have to have a dead spread cookoff for you...


Lol...we see Pete here is "on the ball" re: The Sqwertz...

Good show, Pete...!!!


--
Best
Greg


frie...@zoocrewphoto.com

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Dec 3, 2009, 2:12:45 AM12/3/09
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On Dec 2, 6:33 am, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
> months.  I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
> "whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
> fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>
> Now?  The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
> used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.
>
> I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
> real food left anywhere.
>
> -sw

I went to a restaurant once, and picked fish and chips since nothing
else sounded good. It was exactly like what you described. chopped up
fish junk instead a batter. It was disgusting.

I haven't actually bought a fish stick or Gorton's product since I
hated them even as a child. Thankfully, that stuff didn't ruin my
taste for fish. I like most types of fish, and a plain fillet or
roast, without any sauce or seasoning is just fine by me. Or deep
fried with a light cracker coating. Yum!

George

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Dec 3, 2009, 7:29:13 AM12/3/09
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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:38:29 -0500, George wrote:
>
>> But how about those great prices at the big box mart? They have
>> everybody trained that price is all that matters. You weren't supposed
>> to notice they substituted fish paste for real fish.
>
> These were 10 "portions" for $4. I thought it was a good price, IF
> IT WERE THE SAME PRODUCT I REMEMBER.
>
> Of course I'm sure the weight went down as well, but we typically
> don't notice the weights/volumes on these types of items.
>
> -sw

I notice weight/volume. Bigbox has everyone trained only to consider price.

And talking about big box quality I was in someones office yesterday and
they said take a look at the ingredients list of some "peanut butter"
cheese crackers they had purchased at everyone's favorite bigbox low
everyday price store walmart.

In tiny type it reported that the "peanut butter" layer contained <2%
peanut butter with the rest of the "peanut butter" layer consisting of
various industrial stuff!

Food Snob®

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Dec 3, 2009, 8:25:22 AM12/3/09
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What's so bad about fat, salt and calories? Problem is the crust.
Since there seems to be no way to get a nice crust with a frozen
pizza, just the least crust possible is best. If I didn't have a
child, I doubt I'd ever buy one.

--Bryan

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On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:33:32 -0600, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:

>I buy those frozen, battered "fish portions" about once every 18
>months. I remember last time I bought them they specifically said
>"whole fish fillets" - and that's what they were - a piece of real
>fish inside a greasy, battered coating.
>
>Now? The coating is twice as thick, the insides are half what they
>used to be, and made from pressed fish paste, not whole fillets.
>
>I figure 2, maybe 3 more recessions (~24 years) there will be no
>real food left anywhere.
>
>-sw

Does it say product of China anywhere on the box?

All these inferior products from China AREN'T the fault of the Chinese, if they
weren't acceptable to the corporation they would have been rejected by quality
control.


Food Snob®

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Dec 3, 2009, 11:38:19 AM12/3/09
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On Dec 3, 7:58 am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
> Food Snob® <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d17a9c68-b222-497e-
> 94c0-ccceecb51...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:
> I tried the DiGiorno thin crust pizza and I likely paid more for less.
>
> I wouldn't mind a frozen pizza section that covers 2/3 of one half of my
> isle.
>
> "HOLY COCONUTS, GILLIGAN, WE'RE RICH!!!"
>
But then Mr. Howell discovers that the electric outlet is in his hut,
and unable to negotiate a deal for the electricity, all the pizzas
thaw and spoil.
>
> <g>
>
> Andy

--Bryan

Becca

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Food Snob� wrote:
> What's so bad about fat, salt and calories? Problem is the crust.
> Since there seems to be no way to get a nice crust with a frozen
> pizza, just the least crust possible is best. If I didn't have a
> child, I doubt I'd ever buy one.
>
> --Bryan
>

My youngest son buys frozen pizzas, and it says "crust rises as it
bakes" on the package, but I forget the brand. It tastes pretty good,
especially after he adds pepperoni and mozzarella to the pizza. ;-)


Becca

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Mark Thorson

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Dec 3, 2009, 3:20:45 PM12/3/09
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Sqwertz wrote:

>
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:26:37 -0600, Becca wrote:
>
> > My youngest son buys frozen pizzas, and it says "crust rises as it
> > bakes" on the package, but I forget the brand.
>
> Freshetta.

Lots of brands do that. I remember when they first
started appearing, a representative of one of the
companies went on the Today show, and whoever
interviewed him asked what makes it rise. He seemed
confused for a moment, then said "Yeast", which is
wrong. They have baking powder in them. The ones
I've examined have aluminum-based compounds in the
baking powder. Even though the scientific evidence
doesn't support consumer fears of aluminum, I don't
feel like taking even the slightest risk to eat
a frozen pizza. I might take a risk to try out
the U.S.-grown so-called "Kobe" beef, but there the
risk/reward balance is a little closer to being
in my favor.

Pete C.

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Dec 3, 2009, 3:15:06 PM12/3/09
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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:29:13 -0500, George wrote:

>
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> >> Of course I'm sure the weight went down as well, but we typically
> >> don't notice the weights/volumes on these types of items.
> >
> > I notice weight/volume. Bigbox has everyone trained only to consider price.
>
> I pay attention to weights of common food items. but I wouldn't
> notice that a 10-portion bag of fish went from 28 to 26 ounces.
>
> -sw

I pay attention to the unit price, not the package size or price.
Fortunately the unit price is still required to be listed on the price
label, so you don't have to calculate it yourself all the time.

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Sqwertz wrote:

> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:15:06 -0600, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > I pay attention to the unit price, not the package size or price.
> > Fortunately the unit price is still required to be listed on the
> > price label, so you don't have to calculate it yourself all the
> > time.
>

> Unit prices are mandatory?
>
> Half the time I find their "units" ridiculous (ounces when it should
> be pounds, or something silly like that).

How about the very useful unit price, "XX per each".

Brian

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jmcquown

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"Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:15:23 -0500, pavane wrote:
>>
>> > Pinnacle Food Group owns both companies, probably distributes
>> > Mrs. Paul's in the East and Van De Kamps in the West:
>> > http://www.pinnaclefoodscorp.com/public/brands/van-de-kamps.htm
>>
>> I remember buying Mrs Paul's in California. Last night I was
>> specifically looking for Mrs Pauls battered rubber bands (AKA
>> breaded clam strips - Howard Johnson Style) when I settled for the
>> battered fish paste. But I don't think we have MP here in Texas.
>> and if we have Van De Kamp, it's not carried at the chain where I
>> shop.
>>
>> Last night I bought a bunch of stuff I would not normally buy.
>> Frozen grilled cheese soft pretzels, frozen pizza, frozen burritos,
>> battered fish fillets, breaded okra (boy, did THAT suck!), wine
>> coolers, beef kidney (I've still never had kidneys), ring bologna
>> (gonna try pickling it), and some Suave body wash (by accident - I
>> thought it was shampoo).
>>
>> I think I'll try the Tombstone pizza tonight. I mean, for $2.50,
>> how bad could it be? <cough>. I've never really noticed the frozen
>> pizza section before. It literally takes up 2/3rds of one side of
>> the isle!
>>
>> -sw
>>
> Let me see if I have this right: You've been under the weather with
> pneumonia or some such, so you have now gone shopping and purchased
> "convenience" "foods" that will finish the job the pneumonia started and
> we will have to have a dead spread cookoff for you...

Pete, why are you concerned about what he eats when he's sick? I definitely
don't feel like cooking when I'm under the weather. It's bad enough to go
grocery shopping when you feel like crap, forget about cooking. The closest
I get to cooking when I have the flu (forget about pneumonia) is a can of
Campbell's tomato soup and a grilled cheese sandwich... and often that feels
like too much work.

Jill

Food Snob®

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There is ZERO evidence that aluminum is harmful. From what I've
heard, the only studies that suggested it used faked data.

--Bryan

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Mark Thorson

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Dec 4, 2009, 5:21:11 PM12/4/09
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Sqwertz wrote:

>
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:20:45 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:26:37 -0600, Becca wrote:
> >>
> >>> My youngest son buys frozen pizzas, and it says "crust rises as it
> >>> bakes" on the package, but I forget the brand.
> >>
> >> Freshetta.
> >
> > Lots of brands do that.
>
> Freshetta and DiGiorno. I think the DiGiorno was the first one:
> "The Rising Crust Pizza". Freshetta also markets their that way.

I believe California Pizza Kitchen also does that,
which is why I've never eaten their pizza.

> Actually, it appears that the industry has a category for "unbaked
> and rising crust pizzas".

I'm sure there's more brands than just those.
I wonder why nobody had invented rising
crusts back when frozen pizza was invented.
There must have been some difficult technical
problem, like mixing the dough, rolling it out,
and freezing it before the baking powder can
react.

Arri London

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Dec 4, 2009, 7:26:55 PM12/4/09
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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:56:56 -0700, Arri London wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> >> CostCo has a 4lb bag of solid, lightly breaded fish sticks for $9
> >> that would be excellent - if they had any taste. They're
> >> super-bland. Great execution, but lousy follow-through.
> >>
> >> http://www.tridentseafoods.com/retail/products.php?id=564
> >
> > We get those. They are good enough for what they are. By the time they
> > are dipped in my faux rouille (sambal oelek/tuong ot toi plus minced
> > garlic in mayonnaise) they taste pretty decent LOL! Or hoisin sauce
> > works too.
>
> I tried every sauce and seasoned salt I could think of and nothing
> really worked for me.

Ah well. Hardly a necessary article of diet in any case :)

>
> > They are good on a sandwich with lettuce, coriander/cilantro leaves and
> > nuoc mam.
>
> I didn't think about a sandwich. That would probably work.
>
> -sw

Try it on a decent roll. Mayonnaise is optional.

But I'm speaking in vain. Today's trip to Costco turned up a total lack
of Trident fish sticks! Trident batter-coated fish fillets, pointedly
marked 'whole fillets', but not sticks. Our local Sam's Club hasn't
carried them before but perhaps they have taken up the slack.

sleepy...@gmail.com

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👍👍

Nancy2

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Aug 16, 2017, 10:30:43 AM8/16/17
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Sleepy (fitting name), did you notice the message you did a thumbs-up for is from SIX YEARS
AGO???

N.

Carol Shenkenberger

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Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote in
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> Sleepy (fitting name), did you notice the message you did a
> thumbs-up for is from SIX YEARS AGO???
>
> N.
>


Must be another google posting retard, eh? LOL

jmcquown

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Aug 18, 2017, 10:54:02 AM8/18/17
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Of course not, N. Google groupers don't pay attention to things like
that. Nor will "sleepy" likely ever return to read your reply.

Jill

Cindy Hamilton

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Aug 18, 2017, 12:29:03 PM8/18/17
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People who use Google Groups ought to be hanged.

Cindy Hamilton

jmcquown

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Aug 18, 2017, 2:45:27 PM8/18/17
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It's crazy. These people dredge up years old posts, reply, then
disappear. Useless.

OB Cooking: bought a stovetop grill pan

Jill

sanne

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Aug 18, 2017, 7:41:32 PM8/18/17
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Thank you very much. :-(

Cindy Hamilton

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Aug 19, 2017, 6:27:30 AM8/19/17
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I use Google Groups.

Cindy Hamilton

sanne

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Aug 19, 2017, 6:44:15 AM8/19/17
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Then I remembered correctly - but not these times?
The original shows a yahoo-address.

Do you remember when aol was the culprit? Good times. ;-)

Bye, Sanne.

Cindy Hamilton

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Aug 19, 2017, 6:52:17 AM8/19/17
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That's the e-mail address I used when I signed up.

> Do you remember when aol was the culprit? Good times. ;-)

AOL, or any university every September.

Cindy Hamilton

jmcquown

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Aug 19, 2017, 6:57:20 AM8/19/17
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You also know how to keep up with and reply to current posts. These
fly-by-nighters can't seem to figure it out.

Jill

Bruce

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Aug 19, 2017, 7:10:39 AM8/19/17
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You can use any news server in combination with any email address.

sanne

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Aug 19, 2017, 7:36:51 AM8/19/17
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Of course! Silly me.
My apologies.

Having a googlemail account (since long before it was called gmail),
I'm a bit thin-skinned in that matter.
And using googlegroups, no less...

Remarks like "Google groupers don't pay attention to things like that."
regarding ancient posts just aren't nice, to say the least.
And I'm really hurt by that.

Bye, Sanne.

Bruce

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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 04:36:47 -0700 (PDT), sanne
It's because many Google Groupers are clueless. You and Cindy clearly
are not, though.

Sqwerts

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On 8/18/2017 1:53 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> She walked right into Cindy's trap:-) You know, Jill, that you just
> responded to one of "those people"...

Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor
Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food:

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On 8/18/2017 1:57 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> shitty aluminum

Nancy2

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Thanks for the kind GG words, Cindy...you are TOO kind.

N.
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