I have tried many liquid dish washing products and found that they all leave
my sink and sponges slimy. If I leave the dishes in soapy water, overnight,
the dishes are covered with with a film, I call dust, by the next morning.
Does anyone know of any hand dish washing products that will give me a
feeling of fresh and clean when it is in my sink and that does not cause me
so much extra work?
Thanks from a long time lurker.
--
Lee
Park Ridge NJ
rarebirdyatverizondotnet
I've been a Dawn user for years.
Try washing and rinsing with HOT water instead of COLD.
I use hot water for washing the dishes and warm for rinsing in a double
basined porcelain sink.
Over the years I have used many of the different brands of Liquid dish soap
including Dawn (thanks Chemo). They all leave my sponges slimy and a coating
of slimy bumps in the bottom of my sink. I have a feeling that it has
something to do with the what the liquid is doing to the fat/grease that is
on the dirty dishes.
> I use hot water for washing the dishes and warm for rinsing in a double
> basined porcelain sink.
>
> Over the years I have used many of the different brands of Liquid dish soap
> including Dawn (thanks Chemo). They all leave my sponges slimy and a coating
> of slimy bumps in the bottom of my sink. I have a feeling that it has
> something to do with the what the liquid is doing to the fat/grease that is
> on the dirty dishes.
>
Are you using too much detergent? Do you rinse the sponge out when
you're done?
I am only washing dishes for one person each day so there is not very much
water (4 to 5 inches) and just a quick squeeze of liquid soap. Yes, I do
wash and rinse the sponges. I put them in the dish rack to dry and when I use
them again the next day they are all slimy. They have not started getting
smelly yet.
Do you scrape your dishes into the trash or trash disposal? Do you
use a paper towel on baking pans with grease in them before you wash
them?
No dishwashing detergent is going to cut through an inch of cold
grease on a frying pan or baking pan.
You probably are having to use too much dishwashing liquid because you
are not getting rid of the grease in the
trash first. You should never try to put grease down your drains.
It will stop them up and it is bad for the
water system, if you live in a town or city.
I've used Ivory liquid for hand-washing for over 30 years for pots and pans
and I still find it quite satisfactory. What's wrong with it in your
opinion? I do mostly wash things in a dishwasher and normally just rinse
with plain warm or cold water before loading. Since I don't run the
dishwasher every day I like to remove food particles to avoid unpleasant
odors.
--
James Silverton, Potomac
I'm *not* not.jim....@verizon.net
I don't like the picture you are painting. You probably have created
some sort of soapy bacteria in your house. Why do you have to soak
dishes for one person overnight? Why would there be enough grease on
them to leave bumps of grease on the sink bottom? Throw those sponges
away, they are loaded with bacteria.
I'd say you need to start afresh with a new dish cloth and a capful of
bleach in each dishpan of water. Wash the dishes immediately, rinse
and dry.
Your dishwashing habits need improving before you kill yourself.
Janet US
My thoughts exactly. This is the oddest thing I've heard in a long
while.
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 17:16:51 -0400, Lee wrote:
>
>> I am only washing dishes for one person each day so there is not very much
>> water (4 to 5 inches) and just a quick squeeze of liquid soap. Yes, I do
>> wash and rinse the sponges. I put them in the dish rack to dry and when I
>> use
>> them again the next day they are all slimy. They have not started getting
>> smelly yet.
>
> Hmmm. Problem follows several brands of dish detergent and new sponges?
>
> The common denominator seems to be the water. Have the water coming out of
> your tap tested. Or play around with washing/rinsing in bottled water for
> a while and see if the problem goes away.
>
>
Hadn't thought of water being the problem but I don't think it would be that
since the sponges only get slimy when the liquid soap is present.
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 17:16:51 -0400, Lee <rarre...@verizon.net> wrote:
> snip
>>
>> I am only washing dishes for one person each day so there is not very much
>> water (4 to 5 inches) and just a quick squeeze of liquid soap. Yes, I do
>> wash and rinse the sponges. I put them in the dish rack to dry and when I
>> use
>> them again the next day they are all slimy. They have not started getting
>> smelly yet.
>
> I don't like the picture you are painting. You probably have created
> some sort of soapy bacteria in your house. Why do you have to soak
> dishes for one person overnight? Why would there be enough grease on
> them to leave bumps of grease on the sink bottom? Throw those sponges
> away, they are loaded with bacteria.
I rarely soak the dishes over night. I do not know what is causing the bumps
or dots of slimy residue coating the bottom of my sink. I just wondered if
fat/grease could be the cause?
>
> I'd say you need to start afresh with a new dish cloth and a capful of
> bleach in each dishpan of water. Wash the dishes immediately, rinse
> and dry.
All your suggestions except the bleach have already been tried.
>
> Your dishwashing habits need improving before you kill yourself.
> Janet US
I have been washing dishes for something like 72 years, without problems. I
believe this problem started after the last reformulation of the dish washing
liquids so that they conform to some such groups demands for the ecology.
I do not find dishpans effective. I wash dishes under running water.
This does not seem to result in excess water use as measured by the
water meter.
Steve
I do not believe my dishwashing habits are wrong. HOw could scraping the
dishes into the garbage (if need be), running them under water, putting them
in the sink, covering them with hot water, adding soap, washing the dishes
and setting them into the dish drain to dry, cause slime in the bottom of my
sink? I have gone though a lot of sponges and many different liquids and
still have not found the cause of the slime.
Cold grease or used oils do not go into the dish water. Your mention of this
reminds me that the amount of fat that gets into the water is so small that
it could not be a cause.
>
> You probably are having to use too much dishwashing liquid because you
> are not getting rid of the grease in the
> trash first. You should never try to put grease down your drains.
> It will stop them up and it is bad for the
> water system, if you live in a town or city.
>
>
--
I used Ivory liquid the longest but in the end it was no different than the
other liquids.
I've never had that problem with any soap I've used. I currently use
Method, Basil scent.
Good suggestion. Thanks.
I've never noticed that brand. Will have to look. Thanks.
Same for me. I suspect the OP might have a problem with his water supply.
Better is a Scrubie... been using this product for over 40 years...
found nothing better. Cellulose sponges literally schtink.
http://tinyurl.com/yb6qsz9
http://www.scotch-brite.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Scotch-BriteBrand/Scotch-Brite/Products/Catalog/?PC_7_RJH9U52300V2E0I02BK7KM0GT3_nid=0ND5C4BRRQgsBBDGVJTLBMglVB012BGN6Jbl&prodID=0ND5C4BRRQgs&lang=en_US
>
>Better is a Scrubie... been using this product for over 40 years...
>found nothing better. Cellulose sponges literally schtink.
>http://tinyurl.com/yb6qsz9
>http://www.scotch-brite.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Scotch-BriteBrand/Scotch-Brite/Products/Catalog/?PC_7_RJH9U52300V2E0I02BK7KM0GT3_nid=0ND5C4BRRQgsBBDGVJTLBMglVB012BGN6Jbl&prodID=0ND5C4BRRQgs&lang=en_US
Whadda ya know . . . I didn't think Dobie pads existed any more. I
haven't been able to find them in any grocery store here for years.
Thanks. They work better than what I am using now -- those balls of
coarse nylon? threads. I'm going to get a bunch of Dobies. A clean
Dobie and a clean dish cloth at the end of every day. Throw them all
in the washer with bleach and then I won't get mystery bumps on my
dishes and sink.
Janet US
Yes, could be exceptionally hard water, but then it appears it's a new
occurance, water doesn't suddenly become hard unless one moves
residences.
I don't recommend bleach, it will demolish most plastics. I've never
needed to sanitize my Dobies, they wash up well with hot soapy water.
Walmart carries Dobie, as does Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_9?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=dobie+pad&sprefix=dobie+pad
>On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 07:33:20 -0600, Janet Bostwick
><nos...@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 09:26:15 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
snip
>>
>>Whadda ya know . . . I didn't think Dobie pads existed any more. I
>>haven't been able to find them in any grocery store here for years.
>>Thanks. They work better than what I am using now -- those balls of
>>coarse nylon? threads. I'm going to get a bunch of Dobies. A clean
>>Dobie and a clean dish cloth at the end of every day. Throw them all
>>in the washer with bleach and then I won't get mystery bumps on my
>>dishes and sink.
>
>I don't recommend bleach, it will demolish most plastics. I've never
>needed to sanitize my Dobies, they wash up well with hot soapy water.
>Walmart carries Dobie, as does Amazon.
>http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_3_9?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=dobie+pad&sprefix=dobie+pad
maybe so. . .but I'd rather add bleach to the washing machine water
for things like dish clothes, dish towels and scrubbies. My current
scrubbies have survived a couple of years of this. My Dobies used to
last equally as long. Of course, the other alternative is to put the
Dobie in the microwave on high for 60 seconds.
Janet US
As does Target. They're my favorite scrubby, too.
Jinx
> lVB012BGN6Jbl&prodID=0ND5C4BRRQgs&lang=en_US
I was actually looking at these yesterday.
Don't see how a clean cloth and sponge is going to stop those mystery bumps
left in my sink after using dish soap. The description I gave is not
satisfactory but I do not know how to describe the slime residue left in my
sink. It is not a smooth, even coating.
> Lee wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> Goomba wrote
>>> Lee wrote:
>
>>> Are you using too much detergent? Do you rinse the sponge out when
>>> you're done?
>
>> I am only washing dishes for one person each day so there is not very
>> much water (4 to 5 inches) and just a quick squeeze of liquid soap.
>> Yes, I do wash and rinse the sponges. I put them in the dish rack to
>> dry and when I use them again the next day they are all slimy. They
>> have not started getting smelly yet.
>
> I suspect it's too *little* detergent this time.
You might be right because the water isn't soapy.
We have always had hard water but I do not know to what degree the hardness
is. It is well water supplied by the town so could change.
This situation has been going on for several years, actually since the last
formulation change in the soaps. It is just that I am tired of it and would
like to find out what is wrong.
And how about not leaving the dishes in water, hot or cold, in the sink
overnight?
For dishwashing liquid I like Ajax.
OB Food: To go with dinner tonight I'll be making potato-leek soup. I
found some really nice large leeks at the grocery store :)
Jill
Good grief, just wash the damn sink out with a little comet or something
cleanser like when you're done and get over it. This is seriously NOT a
big deal......is it?
You are carrying bacteria over from one washing to the next. Washing
the sponge and putting it to dry in the dish rack does nothing.
Sponges are acknowledged to be bad in the food area because they carry
and incubate bacteria. Throw the sponges away. Use a clean dishcloth
that has been washed in the wash machine with a little bleach and
dried in the dryer. Change dishcloths daily. Bacteria will carry
over from the sink, dishes, utensils. You need to break the chain of
contamination. You do this by changing cloths daily. Hygiene isn't a
difficult concept.
Of course, the other possibility is that you are a troll pulling our
collective chain.
Janet US
> You are carrying bacteria over from one washing to the next. Washing
> the sponge and putting it to dry in the dish rack does nothing.
> Sponges are acknowledged to be bad in the food area because they carry
> and incubate bacteria. Throw the sponges away. Use a clean dishcloth
> that has been washed in the wash machine with a little bleach and
> dried in the dryer. Change dishcloths daily. Bacteria will carry
> over from the sink, dishes, utensils. You need to break the chain of
> contamination. You do this by changing cloths daily. Hygiene isn't a
> difficult concept.
> Of course, the other possibility is that you are a troll pulling our
> collective chain.
> Janet US
Or perhaps he's just got a lot of sequestered grease left on the sink
surface after he's drained the sink, and he can't figure out how to
clean it out. New detergents contain surfactant type ingredients that
help clean the dishes yet not allow grease particles to redeposit on the
dishes.
You mean continue on as usual without finding out why this is happening? That
alternative is not in my future.
Agree on the sponges. INvest in a bunch of dishrags and use one per
use. For one person, maybe you shud dispense with the dishpan, use
the lab method under drizzling water and lay on a towel to dry. Why
the big production?
I'm female and I clean that sink with Bon Ami.
I think you have put your finger on the cause of this problem. What happens
to those grease particles that are not redeposited on the dishes?
>
> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
> news:jp4lu6talapecfmcn...@4ax.com...
>> Lee <rarre...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have tried many liquid dish washing products and found that they all
>>> leave
>>> my sink and sponges slimy. If I leave the dishes in soapy water,
>>> overnight,
>>> the dishes are covered with with a film, I call dust, by the next morning.
>>> Does anyone know of any hand dish washing products that will give me a
>>> feeling of fresh and clean when it is in my sink and that does not cause
>>> me
>>> so much extra work?
>>
>>
>> Try washing and rinsing with HOT water instead of COLD.
>
>
> And how about not leaving the dishes in water, hot or cold, in the sink
> overnight?
It is very rarely that I leave the dishes in water overnight. The slime
occurs during the 10 minutes it takes me to fill the sink and wash the
dishes.
>
> For dishwashing liquid I like Ajax.
>
> OB Food: To go with dinner tonight I'll be making potato-leek soup. I
> found some really nice large leeks at the grocery store :)
>
> Jill
>
--
I think it's hard water mineral soap scum. If so a tad of washing soda
ought to help.
Water hardness test kits are readily available on line, from hardware
stores, and pet shops, very inexpensive. Hard water will cancel out
the grease dispersant action of typical dishwashing liquids. If you
have hard water I strongly suggest you have a water softener
installed... hard water will destroy your plumbing, very expensive.
http://tinyurl.com/69osana
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_23?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=water+hardness+test+kit&sprefix=water+hardness+test+kit
It seems you have an answer for every suggestion. I guess there's no
hope for you, you are destined to live with slime. As for me, I've
never ever had the problem you describe, whether it be the water, the
sink surface, the sponge or whatever. Like I said, there's no hope
for you - just give up now.
N.
>What happens
>to those grease particles that are not redeposited on the dishes?
They should, after being dssolved by the detergent, be going down
the drain.
I think the thread has already hit on all the possibilties:
don't use a standing-water technique, use lots of hot running water,
possible soften/demineralize/filter your water, don't let
sponges/rags develop a build-up.
Steve
> Lee <rarre...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> What happens
>> to those grease particles that are not redeposited on the dishes?
>
> They should, after being dssolved by the detergent, be going down
> the drain.
I think this is the last piece of the puzzle. Thanks!
>
> I think the thread has already hit on all the possibilties:
> don't use a standing-water technique, use lots of hot running water,
> possible soften/demineralize/filter your water, don't let
> sponges/rags develop a build-up.
>
>
> Steve
--
> In article <vdipu617en5sho7g5...@4ax.com>,
> nos...@cableone.net says...
>
>> Of course, the other possibility is that you are a troll pulling our
>> collective chain.
>> Janet US
>
> Exactly
>
> Janet UK
>
>
I think the last time I posted here it was about slow cookers. Of course,
that does not prove that I am not a troll but there really isn't any way of
proving that except to say that that sig. info below is real.
I'm sorry. I was just trying to clarify how I wash the dishes so that you all
could see what was happening or that I was already doing what was being
suggested.
I have been told in the past that there is no hope for me and proved them
wrong. I do not know if you meant this to be humorous but I sure did have a
chuckle. Thank you for that.
Goto the fabric store and buy a couple of yards of nylon netting.
Really scratchy stuff. When you need a new scrubbie, cut off a hunk
and wad it up. Squeeze it out and sit it on the back of the sink when
you're done and use it again next time -- it dries really fast. After
a month or two, throw it away and cut off another piece. $1 worth of
netting should last you at least a year, and it works better than
ready-made scrubbies.
-Bob
>
I googled "hard water mineral soap scum" and that is what is going on.
Another poster suggested that I was not using enough detergent. I believe
that also is true.
It is such a relief to finally find out the cause of a major annoyance.
Thank you, Everybody.
> I don't see here that anyone has mentioned ammonia. I seem to have
> collected a lot of glass: apothecary, bell jars, dome cake covers,
> terrarium covers ... madness I reckon. When I want them to sparkle,
> I add a capful of ammonia to a sinkful of the hottest water I can
> get, put on my gloves, don my mask and give 'em a soak, wipe and
> rinse. Maybe a little ammonia added to your routine would help.
I would be careful about adding it to dishwashing detergent, that
might contain bleach. Not a good plan for your lungs.
nancy
AWKKKkkk yes, Nancy. You are so right. My great aunt Lois once mixed
bleach and ammonia and about blew the house up. I was just thinking a
rinse sort of water and then maybe another rinse. Polly
> news:4ded96b4$0$5033$a826...@newsreader.readnews.com...> Polly Esther
> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't see here that anyone has mentioned ammonia. I seem to have
>>> collected a lot of glass: apothecary, bell jars, dome cake covers,
>>> terrarium covers ... madness I reckon. When I want them to sparkle,
>>> I add a capful of ammonia to a sinkful of the hottest water I can
>>> get, put on my gloves, don my mask and give 'em a soak, wipe and
>>> rinse. Maybe a little ammonia added to your routine would help.
>>
>> I would be careful about adding it to dishwashing detergent, that
>> might contain bleach. Not a good plan for your lungs.
> AWKKKkkk yes, Nancy. You are so right. My great aunt Lois once
> mixed bleach and ammonia and about blew the house up.
Yikes! Scary.
> I was just
> thinking a rinse sort of water and then maybe another rinse. Polly
It just struck me the OP might think you meant to add ammonia to the
dishwater with soap. You never know.
nancy
Even plain bleach on its own is harmful to lung tissue and the damage
is irreversable... folks who bathe in chlorine treated pools are
pinheads, those fumes are far worse than smoking tobacco. No one
should use bleach indoors, not in any concentration, because the gas
fills the room at the same concentration regardless how diluted...
everytime yoose spray kitchen surfaces with bleach water you're
shortening your life... just because they give it an innocent sounding
name like "*laundry* bleach" it still produces deadly chlorine gas.
Never do that... it's the ammonia fumes that do the cleaning, not the
liquid ammonia, those fumes also destroy lung tissue. Bring the
cleaning outdoors and use a sealed plastic bag, only need like a 1/4
cup of ammonia in a big garbage bag. Haven't yoose ever heard of
"huffing"? Never use ammonia and/or chlorine bleach in your
dishwasher or for hand washing.. chlorine bleach shouldn't be used for
laundry either. Household glass cleaners no longer contain ammonia,
now they contain mild and safe acids like citric and vinegar.
Hi, Polly Esther,
We've met before on another NG. Nice to meet again.
I collect bottles and colored glass. I clean them with ammonia, as you
suggest. As far as the dishes go, I could really leave them in the sink
until I run out of dishes, but I don't because arthritis in my back doesn't
allow me to stand at the sink for more than 15 minutes.
Giusi was able to tell me what the problem was and I guess the only real
solution is a water softener. Adding more detergent to the water did seem to
help.
I am glad I finally asked here for help. Not knowing what was wrong was
really annoying.
That was a good catch. Made me reread what Polly Esther said. I would have
been OK anyway because I would not use bleach or ammonia on anything my food
touches. Thanks.
>> I don't see here that anyone has mentioned ammonia. I seem to have
>> collected a lot of glass: apothecary, bell jars, dome cake covers,
>> terrarium covers ...
> Giusi was able to tell me what the problem was and I guess the only real
> solution is a water softener. Adding more detergent to the water did seem
> to
> help.
While softening all your water will make all your life shinier, the addition
of simple things can go a long way to solving this dish problem. A bit of
washing soda, a rinse with vinegar in it. I went for 2 years without a
softener and my neighbors still do. In the end I sprang for it because I
had just spent a huge sum for hot water heat and wanted to protect my
investment, plus washing clothes with the required anti-mineral additive was
wearing my clothes out.
My water is set at 8 grains now, safe to drink and cook with but not perfect
on glass etc.
That reminds me. Ammonia is great for cleaning the microwave.
Thanks for all these good suggestions. A water softener isn't in my future.
--
nidaarose
Sounds like you have very, very soft water. Water with very low mineral
content will leave that oily feeling behind when you use detergents.
Paul