kitchen floors (maybe etc.)
Jean B.
replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
--
Jean B.
Cindy Hamilton
I like sheet vinyl in the kitchen. No seams. Easy on the feet.
Forgiving if you drop stuff. Comes in many styles.
Cindy Hamilton
Goomba
I remodeled my entire kitchen about 18 months ago. My entire downstairs
is hardwood, yet I didn't want it in kitchen because of not wanting to
worry about babying it from moisture in the kitchen. I knew I didn't
want to stand for long periods on cold, hard ceramic tile, and wasn't
impressed with the sheet vinyl patterns I saw (boring!). Consumer's
Reports did an entire issue on remodeling products and one of their top
rated vinyl tiles was Congoleum's Durastone 16 inch square tiles. We
settled on a tile that at first made me nervous because it was a tad
dark-but had wonderful colorations in it. It looks like real stone, its
amazing. The installation requires mastic on the floor, just like real
tiles. I think it looks great!! Here is one corner, but I don't know
that the computer image does it justice.
http://i37.tinypic.com/9pxtok.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/f8036.jpg
Kalmia
Whatever you do, don't put in any sort of carpeting. We bought a
place once with indoor-outdoor in the kitchen - dark brown - I can't
imagine how filthy it must've been. It got replaced, pronto.
I like tile, altho the grout can get dark and nasty. Pick a light
color tile and you'll then see how often you need to wash it - ha. I
could do mine daily!! I don't like a pattern either - harder to wash.
brooklyn1
I love hardwood flooring, real hardwood, not that fake Pergo laminate
crap. Except for my main bathroom every floor in my house is
hardwood. All the bedrooms, living room, hallways, even inside all
closets were white oak when I moved in. My kitchen, dining area, and
laundry room floors were covered with awful green vinyl tiles... had
Brazilian cherry installed over all that, I love it... looks terrific
and is super easy to care for. You never wash hardwood floors, and
with the new finishes there is no reason to ever wax a hardwood
floor... once a week a quick vacuuming and an easy peasy once over
with the Bonakemi hardwood floor care system:
http://www.mybonahome.com/Home.aspx
I had hard tiles installed in my last kitchen, never realized how much
I'd grow to hate it; was cold, noisy, hard on the feet, was difficult
to keep the grout clean, and tile scratches easily.
Make certain to have a professional hardwood flooring installer do the
job... there are too many "handimen" out there who haven't the
knowlege or proper equipment... definitely not a DIY project:
http://www.woodfloors.org/consumer/
Real hardwood flooring is forever so it costs less than all other
types of flooring... it can be refinished, and given a whole new look
with various treatments; stains, pickling, and bleaching. Hardwood
flooring costs less to install, does away with the need to install a
new sub floor, it covers all blemishes that would be enhanced with
vinyl... being a full 3/4" thick it goes directly over old vinyl and
less than perfect sub flooring.
No other flooring looks as rich and generates the warmth af real
hardwood flooring (figuratively and literally - an excellent
insulator/sound proofing). There are many types and grades of
hardwood and various ways it's sawn so it behooves one to educate
themself before running out to buy.
Hallway:
http://i35.tinypic.com/14vs768.jpg
Livingroom:
http://i38.tinypic.com/2z5vdl4.jpg
Goodbye ugli vinyl:
http://i37.tinypic.com/25zgua8.jpg
Be sure to remove all moldings, cut into door jambs, and floor inside
all closets:
http://i34.tinypic.com/16lyd0w.jpg
Everyone loves my new kitchen floor:
http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg
Any questions feel free.
Ran�e at Arabian Knits
"Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
I like either bamboo (and this may be sacrilege, but I don't mind
that engineered wood bamboo, either) or tile. We're trying to decide
which we will get ourselves. There is a kind of tile that is better in
the kitchen, for floors, but I can't remember what it was. One allows
things to break more easily, the other doesn't.
Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits
"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
Ran�e at Arabian Knits
<7bf103c0-c6f6-4be1...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Cindy Hamilton <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I like sheet vinyl in the kitchen. No seams. Easy on the feet.
> Forgiving if you drop stuff. Comes in many styles.
I prefer that in the bathroom to the kitchen.
Felice
"Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:7lqjusF3...@mid.individual.net...
I thought my glazed quarry tile was the most gorgeous floor ever, despite
the occasional loss of china and glassware. But when we moved house I put in
Pergo and was delighted with it. It comes in great colors, and is easier on
the feet and the breakables.
Felice
Goomba
> I like tile, altho the grout can get dark and nasty. Pick a light
> color tile and you'll then see how often you need to wash it - ha. I
> could do mine daily!! I don't like a pattern either - harder to wash.
<confused> why is a pattern harder to wash?
gloria.p
It depends on your climate. I like the look and care of tile in
the kitchen but it gets too cold here in CO about 8 months of the
year for me to want unheated tile floors.
Our kitchen floor, entry hall, family room and dining room are
oak with walnut pegs. Given the choice I would have installed a
lighter, less "grainy" wood. Some people like oak, I don't
particularly.
With wood floors you either have to put rugs down in heavy
traffic areas or be prepared to refinish every few years
where the finish gets worn. Not wearing shoes in the house helps.
gloria p
Nancy2
I've never had kitchen carpet (ugh - why would anyone?) or hardwood
(too hard to maintain - the real stuff, that is) or stone or ceramic
tile (too easy to break stuff/too cold on bare feet).
I had inlaid linoleum when we built the house, and now I have vinyl
that looks like stone - sorry to any purists out there, but it is easy
to clean, easy to maintain, and will never look bad.
A second choice would be fake wood, I guess....it would have some give
to it, and be pretty easy to maintain and clean.
N.
gloria.p
Our remodeler strongly recommends "Prism" polyurethane grout.
He says no stain, no mold, no color change.
His warning to the installer: READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY".
glloria p
Nancy2
> rated vinyl tiles was Congoleum's Durastone 16 inch square tiles. We
> settled on a tile that at first made me nervous because it was a tad
> dark-but had wonderful colorations in it. It looks like real stone, its
> amazing. The installation requires mastic on the floor, just like real
> tiles. I think it looks great!! Here is one corner, but I don't know
> that the computer image does it justice.
>
> http://i37.tinypic.com/9pxtok.jpghttp://i34.tinypic.com/f8036.jpg
I have a product called Duraceramic on my foyer floor - and I had it
installed without grouting - much the best way to get it installed,
because you don't have to worry about grout lines or keeping them
clean. They put a sealer all over it after installation, which will
be good for life. It wasn't cheap, though.
N.
Nancy Young
> Our remodeler strongly recommends "Prism" polyurethane grout.
> He says no stain, no mold, no color change.
>
> His warning to the installer: READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY".
Thank you! I'm planning a mini-remodel of my bathroom prompted
mostly by my miserable grout. I'll save this info.
nancy
brooklyn1
>Jean B. wrote:
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or wall-to-wall
>> carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but I'd like to see the
>> conclusions that folks have come to about flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>
>It depends on your climate. I like the look and care of tile in
>the kitchen but it gets too cold here in CO about 8 months of the
>year for me to want unheated tile floors.
>
>Our kitchen floor, entry hall, family room and dining room are
>oak with walnut pegs. Given the choice I would have installed a
>lighter, less "grainy" wood. Some people like oak, I don't
>particularly.
There are many types of oak, available in many grades, and sawn in
different ways... so depending on what's chosen will determine
appearance.
>With wood floors you either have to put rugs down in heavy
>traffic areas or be prepared to refinish every few years
>where the finish gets worn. Not wearing shoes in the house helps.
Any floor surface will abrade but at least real wood flooring can be
refinished, and refinishing doesn't cost a whole lot. The trick is to
refinish with a light buffing and not to let a foor become so damaged
that it requires resanding. And area rugs do not stop abrasion, in
fact they cause more abrasion from grit becoming embedded in the rug
so when walked on it acts like sand paper... area rugs are primarily
for aesthetics, definitely not protection from marring. Hard tile and
vinyl becomes scratched from area rugs too. All depends on how one
lives, no flooring is safe from slobs tracking in sand and substances
that stain. Also there are many types of finishes that can be
applied, many of the modern high tech finishes wear extremely well.
Keep in mind however, no flooring is slob proof... even blacktop
driveways require common sense care and routine maintenence to look
good.
If you are the type who is lax about housekeeping then don't even
consider any type of costly flooring, instead install the least
expensive roll flooring you can find (Walmart) and replace it every
2-3 years.
Debbie
I have ceramic and would love to replace the carpeting in the rest of the
house with it.
Debbie
sf
Good choice on the hardwood floors, it's a great choice for many
reasons and resale value is high on the list.
We put an engineered wood floor in the kitchen a few months ago. The
color we chose was a medium tone which is darkening quickly. Even
though the planks vary in shades, it is definitely not a good choice
for a working kitchen because every spot shows. So if my advice is -
if you go with wood, go lighter. Do your homework about how dark even
the lightest of woods will be eventually.
I'm still partial to the vinyl that mimics stone for my kitchen.
Spots don't stand out on that one.
Good luck!
--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
sf
<don'ta...@donttell.huh> wrote:
>We have porcelain and love it. It is hard though. If you drop something on
>it be prepared for whatever you dropped to either break or be damaged. Not
>everything breaks of course but some things will break or crack.
And it can be hard on your back if you spend enough time in the
kitchen.
sf
wrote:
>http://i37.tinypic.com/9pxtok.jpg
>http://i34.tinypic.com/f8036.jpg
That's a great choice, I love the stone look. Is it resilient too?
We didn't go with any sort of tile in the kitchen because I hate
grout.
George Leppla
When we bought this house, we had laminate wood floors installed in
every room... including baths, utility room, closets and kitchen.....
2000+ sq feet and it sure wasn't cheap. The newer laminates are great
looking, have a wear life that will outlive me and are very easy to
maintain. With the humid weather here in the south, I just didn't want
wall-to-wall carpeting.
Laminates aren't usually recommended for any "wet" areas like bathrooms,
but we don't have any children so spills and constant dampness haven't
been a problem. I have to admit that I had reservations about doing
this, but after almost 3 years, the floors look just as good as they did
they day they were installed.
That said, I wish we had put a tile floor in the kitchen. For some
reason, I'm just not used to a wood floor there. It looks great... but
doesn't "feel" right.... probably because all the cabinets are wood
grained. My wife disagrees with me.... she loves it.
George L
Goomba
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:17:15 -0500, Goomba <Goom...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> http://i37.tinypic.com/9pxtok.jpg
>> http://i34.tinypic.com/f8036.jpg
>
> That's a great choice, I love the stone look. Is it resilient too?
> We didn't go with any sort of tile in the kitchen because I hate
> grout.
>
grout lines on two sides so that when they go to lay the tile down it is
bordered on all sides by grout lines. It looks very, very real. Many
guests come and mistake it for real tile.
It has been very resilient so far.
sf
wrote:
>Not wearing shoes in the house helps.
Not having large, active dogs helps too. ;)
sf
<nancy-...@uiowa.edu> wrote:
>I had inlaid linoleum when we built the house, and now I have vinyl
>that looks like stone - sorry to any purists out there, but it is easy
>to clean, easy to maintain, and will never look bad.
I agree.
Dave Smith
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:37:32 -0700, "gloria.p" <gpue...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Not wearing shoes in the house helps.
>
> Not having large, active dogs helps too. ;)
Dogs make it hard to keep a kitchen clean. We don't have much choice
about dogs in the kitchen because our main entrance leads directly into
the kitchen so we get paw prints running through when the dog goes in
and out. It was a lot worse when we had two dogs. The other one was a
big hairy thing that shed a lot. I had to keep his face trimmed because
he slopped so much water around. Every time he went through the kitchen
he would go over to his water bowl and have a bite of water, and a mean
a bite, not a bit. He would go over,stick hi head in and just bite at
it, probably getting more on his beard than into his mouth, and then he
would turn and walk away, dripping water across the floor. I kept a mob
and bucket nearby and was constantly cleaning up after him.
Giusi
"sf" ha scritto nel messaggio
> >
> And it can be hard on your back if you spend enough time in the> kitchen.
I don't get that. I probably spend as much time in kitchens as anyone here,
and all Italian kitchens seem to have terra cotta or harder floors, and I
don't have back problems from it. Sometimes my feet hurt, but I change into
bouncier shoes and continue.
My work days can be as long as 16-17 hours, some in the car to be sure, but
most on those hard floors.
Kalmia
I meant - get a tile which is as flat as possible. I had one once
with a slight pattern in relief - caught every little bit of grime.
.. Stu ..
-->
-->"sf" ha scritto nel messaggio
-->> >
-->> And it can be hard on your back if you spend enough time in the> kitchen.
-->
-->I don't get that. I probably spend as much time in kitchens as anyone here,
-->and all Italian kitchens seem to have terra cotta or harder floors, and I
-->don't have back problems from it. Sometimes my feet hurt, but I change into
-->bouncier shoes and continue.
-->
-->My work days can be as long as 16-17 hours, some in the car to be sure, but
-->most on those hard floors.
-->
There are clogs especially made for the chefs in the kitchen to provide non
slip, less sore backs, and a comfortable fit.
http://sikafootwear.ca/ecom.asp?
Zeppo
"Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:7lqjusF3...@mid.individual.net...
> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or wall-to-wall
> carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but I'd like to see the
> conclusions that folks have come to about flooring in the kitchen.
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Jean B.
Jean when redid our kitchen a few years ago we annexed the dining room to
make a larger eat-in kitchen. The dining room had beautiful oak floors that
we decide to extend into the kitchen. Both our kitchen designer and our
flooring sub-contractor assured us there would be no problems with the
finish or water, and would be a lot more comfortable. We had the floor
heavily polyurethane coated and will need to redo that every 4 or 5 years.
So far, so good. No issues at all. spills wipe up and a leaking dishwasher
didn't damage it. It looks great, too.
Jon
Sqwertz
> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or wall-to-wall
> carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but I'd like to see the
> conclusions that folks have come to about flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
Hardwood floors and cats are not a good combination.
-ssw
sf
I dunno, that's what I've been told by people who have ripped out
their tile floors. Personally, I wouldn't have tile because of the
grout. Maybe I'd feel differently if I lived in Hawaii.
gloria.p
>
> I've never had kitchen carpet (ugh - why would anyone?) or hardwood
> (too hard to maintain - the real stuff, that is) or stone or ceramic
> tile (too easy to break stuff/too cold on bare feet).
>
> I had inlaid linoleum when we built the house, and now I have vinyl
> that looks like stone - sorry to any purists out there, but it is easy
> to clean, easy to maintain, and will never look bad.
>
> A second choice would be fake wood, I guess....it would have some give
> to it, and be pretty easy to maintain and clean.
>
> N.
I think we're showing our age when so many of us prize ease and
convenience over style. ;-)
gloria p
Sqwertz
> On Nov 9, 8:32 am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>
> Forgiving if you drop stuff. Comes in many styles.
It also comes in 12" and 18" squares for easy replacement, theoretically.
Remember to buy an extra 12-20 sheets now rather than trying to find the
same pattern 2-15 years later. Dropped knives will put a gash in linoleum
(unless you you're using Ginsu or similar).
-sw
Sqwertz
> On 09 Nov 2009 14:37:39 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> <don'ta...@donttell.huh> wrote:
>
>> We have porcelain and love it. It is hard though. If you drop something on
>> it be prepared for whatever you dropped to either break or be damaged. Not
>> everything breaks of course but some things will break or crack.
>
> And it can be hard on your back if you spend enough time in the
> kitchen.
Why - are you cleaning it more often on your hands and knees?
-sw
Sqwertz
> There are clogs especially made for the chefs in the kitchen to provide non
> slip, less sore backs, and a comfortable fit.
> http://sikafoot****.ca/ecom.asp?
No shit? What will they think of next? Shoes that teach you how to make
rattatouille?
-sw
George Leppla
I agree. I figure I only have so many years left and I'd rather not
spend too much of that time cleaning floors. <vbg>
But... it is also a thing about climate. When I lived up north,
wall-to-wall carpeting was my preference because of the warmth. Down
here where it is hot and humid, wood, tile or vinyl makes more sense.
George L
Nancy2
If you spend a lot of time in your kitchen, stone, tile and other like
hard surfaces are totally unforgiving on your legs and knees....who
needs it, at any age? Real wood is nice and warm-looking, but I
certainly wouldn't want the maintenance.
N.
Nancy2
Don't you have to remove the old poly before redoing it? I had a
friend with a real brick floor in the kitchen, which had been
polyurethaned - when it got old, it started to peel off in big pieces
- you know, like when you peel clear plastic off a book cover or
something. They had to really work to get all the old poly off before
they could put on a new finish. Not for me, thanks.
N.
Nancy2
Or big dogs (at least) - they cannot get a drink without dripping
whole mouthfuls halfway across the floor.
N.
gloria.p
>
> That said, I wish we had put a tile floor in the kitchen. For some
> reason, I'm just not used to a wood floor there. It looks great... but
> doesn't "feel" right.... probably because all the cabinets are wood
> grained. My wife disagrees with me.... she loves it.
>
Then it was the right choice, of course. ;-)
gloria p
Doug Freyburger
>
> There are clogs especially made for the chefs in the kitchen to provide non
> slip, less sore backs, and a comfortable fit.
I have seen restaurant floors with the same rubber covering used by
gyms. Seems like a lot of extra cleaning work to me so definitely not
what I want for home. At home I even switched out those pads under the
Bowflex for a regular carpet.
The next time I redo a kitchen floor I'll probably try a bamboo surface.
Omelet
"Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
I like my linoleum tile. Tile because I can replace a damaged spot more
easily. I bought a few extra boxes so I'd make sure I had the same
color...
--
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Goomba
> Jean when redid our kitchen a few years ago we annexed the dining room
> to make a larger eat-in kitchen. The dining room had beautiful oak
> floors that we decide to extend into the kitchen. Both our kitchen
> designer and our flooring sub-contractor assured us there would be no
> problems with the finish or water, and would be a lot more comfortable.
> We had the floor heavily polyurethane coated and will need to redo that
> every 4 or 5 years. So far, so good. No issues at all. spills wipe up
> and a leaking dishwasher didn't damage it. It looks great, too.
>
> Jon
That's what the floor store folks told us also but I was still leery.
And I certainly don't want to have to refinish it every 4-5 years. At my
age that feels like it comes around about every year.
Pete C.
Good grief - and just why would you allow such a filthy beast in your
home at all??? I still can't understand why anyone would want a dog,
they are dirty, noisy, smelly and dangerous. When was the last time you
heard of a child being mauled to death by a domestic cat? When was the
last time you heard of noise complaints due to a barking cat? When was
the last time your house smelled like wet cat? When was the last time a
cat tracked mud all over your house?
--Bryan
> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
We just bought the house next door. WOOHOO! We close Dec. 1st. My
current kitchen has parquet that I put in myself. The new house has
ceramic tile. I now have an excuse to buy a front loading washer. We
have to leave our appliances in this house because we're going to rent
it out until the housing market improves. I've got to strip all the
old paint off of the kitchen cabinets and repaint them.
http://www.trulia.com/property/1090304541-7717-W-Ranken-Ave-Richmond-Heights-MO-63117
In pic #17 you can see our house to the right. It was a foreclosure
and we got a great deal.
>
> --
> Jean B.
--Bryan
gloria.p
>
> Good grief - and just why would you allow such a filthy beast in your
> home at all??? I still can't understand why anyone would want a dog,
> they are dirty, noisy, smelly and dangerous. When was the last time you
> heard of a child being mauled to death by a domestic cat? When was the
> last time you heard of noise complaints due to a barking cat? When was
> the last time your house smelled like wet cat? When was the last time a
> cat tracked mud all over your house?
Pete:
You need to understand that there are dog people and cat people
and never the twain shall meet. I agree with you, but all those
dog folks are gonna bite you in the butt big time. ;-)
gloria p
sf
wrote:
>In pic #17 you can see our house to the right. It was a foreclosure
>and we got a great deal.
Sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you, but what a deal and
you didn't even have to move out of the neighborhood. :)
--Bryan
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:32:50 -0800 (PST), --Bryan <class...@brick.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In pic #17 you can see our house to the right. It was a foreclosure
> >and we got a great deal.
>
> Sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you, but what a deal and
> you didn't even have to move out of the neighborhood. :)
>
--Bryan
sf
wrote:
>On Nov 9, 5:56�pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
I love appliance shopping. Does your wife get to have any input?
Just askin'!
Lou Decruss
wrote:
>sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:17:15 -0500, Goomba <Goom...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://i37.tinypic.com/9pxtok.jpg
>>> http://i34.tinypic.com/f8036.jpg
>>
>> That's a great choice, I love the stone look. Is it resilient too?
>> We didn't go with any sort of tile in the kitchen because I hate
>> grout.
>>
>The grout in this tile is fake. It is part of the tile design with faux
>grout lines on two sides so that when they go to lay the tile down it is
>bordered on all sides by grout lines. It looks very, very real. Many
>guests come and mistake it for real tile.
>
>It has been very resilient so far.
I have 12X12 tile that looks very similar but without the faux grout.
The high traffic area is just starting to show stress at a few of the
joints after 12 years. Everything else looks as it did when it was
new. IIRC it was like a buck a foot.
Lou
brooklyn1
>
> Real wood is nice and warm-looking, but I
> certainly wouldn't want the maintenance.
What maintenance?
Except for my main bath every floor in my house is hardwood, that's
more than 2,000 sq ft of hard wood flooring... aside from occasional
vacuuming and microfiber mopping there is no maintenance whatsoever.
Most of my hardwood floors are over 50 years old and my newer hardwood
floors are like 6 years old they all look as good as brand new... and
I live in a very rural area where folks track schmootz on boondocker
clodhoppers and I myself make very little effort about not tracking in
dirt, and I have six cats. Hardwood flooring is tough, what do you
think is used on professional basketball courts, rollerskating rinks,
bowling alleys...
brooklyn1
wrote:
Of course it's the right choice. All my kitchen cabinets, closet
doors, and kitchen wall paneling is from the same tree that grew on
this property... in fact every stick of lumber used to build this
house came from trees growing on this property... that I used real
hardwood flooring for my kitchen couldn't "feel" more right.
Pete C.
Absolutely. It takes a decade or more of severe abuse to get a quality
hardwood floor to the point that it needs refinishing, and after
refinishing it is good as new. A full dimensional hardwood floor can be
refinished a dozen times easily. Even the thin engineered hardwood
floors can be refinished a couple times.
Dave Smith
>
>> Dogs make it hard to keep a kitchen clean. We don't have much choice
>> about dogs in the kitchen because our main entrance leads directly into
>> the kitchen so we get paw prints running through when the dog goes in
>> and out. It was a lot worse when we had two dogs. The other one was a
>> big hairy thing that shed a lot. I had to keep his face trimmed because
>> he slopped so much water around. Every time he went through the kitchen
>> he would go over to his water bowl and have a bite of water, and a mean
>> a bite, not a bit. He would go over,stick hi head in and just bite at
>> it, probably getting more on his beard than into his mouth, and then he
>> would turn and walk away, dripping water across the floor. I kept a mob
>> and bucket nearby and was constantly cleaning up after him.
>
> Good grief - and just why would you allow such a filthy beast in your
> home at all??? I still can't understand why anyone would want a dog,
> they are dirty, noisy, smelly and dangerous. When was the last time you
> heard of a child being mauled to death by a domestic cat? When was the
> last time you heard of noise complaints due to a barking cat? When was
> the last time your house smelled like wet cat? When was the last time a
> cat tracked mud all over your house?
And cats aren't smelly? My dogs don't get up on the furniture and they
don't walk around on the kitchen counters helping themselves to food.
Jean B.
> On Nov 9, 8:32 am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>
> Forgiving if you drop stuff. Comes in many styles.
>
Thank you. I am going to do a list of all answers, do some
searching, etc. I hope the outcome is pleasing.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> news:7lqjusF3...@mid.individual.net: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>
> it be prepared for whatever you dropped to either break or be damaged. Not
> everything breaks of course but some things will break or crack.
>
>
>
Thank you, Michael. (Nice to see some posts from you, BTW.) That
seems like an unusual choice!
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> Jean B. wrote:
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or wall-to-wall
>> carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but I'd like to see the
>> conclusions that folks have come to about flooring in the kitchen.
>> Thanks!
>>
> I remodeled my entire kitchen about 18 months ago. My entire downstairs
> is hardwood, yet I didn't want it in kitchen because of not wanting to
> worry about babying it from moisture in the kitchen. I knew I didn't
> want to stand for long periods on cold, hard ceramic tile, and wasn't
> impressed with the sheet vinyl patterns I saw (boring!). Consumer's
> Reports did an entire issue on remodeling products and one of their top
> rated vinyl tiles was Congoleum's Durastone 16 inch square tiles. We
> settled on a tile that at first made me nervous because it was a tad
> dark-but had wonderful colorations in it. It looks like real stone, its
> amazing. The installation requires mastic on the floor, just like real
> tiles. I think it looks great!! Here is one corner, but I don't know
> that the computer image does it justice.
>
> http://i37.tinypic.com/9pxtok.jpg
> http://i34.tinypic.com/f8036.jpg
Nice look there, Goomba. Right now I have linoleum that looks
kind-of like flagstone. I don't dislike it. The irregular
coloration seems to have pros and cons as far as showing dirt goes!
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> On Nov 9, 8:32 am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>>
>> Jean B.
>
> Whatever you do, don't put in any sort of carpeting. We bought a
> place once with indoor-outdoor in the kitchen - dark brown - I can't
> imagine how filthy it must've been. It got replaced, pronto.
>
> I like tile, altho the grout can get dark and nasty. Pick a light
> color tile and you'll then see how often you need to wash it - ha. I
> could do mine daily!! I don't like a pattern either - harder to wash.
I see there was later discussion of grout.
I have read enough about carpeting to make sure that it is all
taken out of this house and replaced by something else. If I have
any rugs in the kitchen, they will be small, and wasily washed!
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:32:06 -0500, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>
> crap. Except for my main bathroom every floor in my house is
> hardwood. All the bedrooms, living room, hallways, even inside all
> closets were white oak when I moved in. My kitchen, dining area, and
> laundry room floors were covered with awful green vinyl tiles... had
> Brazilian cherry installed over all that, I love it... looks terrific
> and is super easy to care for. You never wash hardwood floors, and
> with the new finishes there is no reason to ever wax a hardwood
> floor... once a week a quick vacuuming and an easy peasy once over
> with the Bonakemi hardwood floor care system:
> http://www.mybonahome.com/Home.aspx
>
> I had hard tiles installed in my last kitchen, never realized how much
> I'd grow to hate it; was cold, noisy, hard on the feet, was difficult
> to keep the grout clean, and tile scratches easily.
>
> Make certain to have a professional hardwood flooring installer do the
> job... there are too many "handimen" out there who haven't the
> knowlege or proper equipment... definitely not a DIY project:
> http://www.woodfloors.org/consumer/
>
> Real hardwood flooring is forever so it costs less than all other
> types of flooring... it can be refinished, and given a whole new look
> with various treatments; stains, pickling, and bleaching. Hardwood
> flooring costs less to install, does away with the need to install a
> new sub floor, it covers all blemishes that would be enhanced with
> vinyl... being a full 3/4" thick it goes directly over old vinyl and
> less than perfect sub flooring.
>
> No other flooring looks as rich and generates the warmth af real
> hardwood flooring (figuratively and literally - an excellent
> insulator/sound proofing). There are many types and grades of
> hardwood and various ways it's sawn so it behooves one to educate
> themself before running out to buy.
>
> Hallway:
> http://i35.tinypic.com/14vs768.jpg
>
> Livingroom:
> http://i38.tinypic.com/2z5vdl4.jpg
>
> Goodbye ugli vinyl:
> http://i37.tinypic.com/25zgua8.jpg
>
> Be sure to remove all moldings, cut into door jambs, and floor inside
> all closets:
> http://i34.tinypic.com/16lyd0w.jpg
>
> Everyone loves my new kitchen floor:
> http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg
> http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg
>
> Any questions feel free.
>
Thanks for those links, which I will examine more carefully
tomorrow. I will be putting in hardwood for most of the flooring
and am just unsure about the kitchen and bathrooms. Your kitchen
floor does look splendid though, so maybe!
My agent suggested engineered hardwood--actually they sound like
the prefinished floors on the NWFA site. I need to look into that.
I am about out of time for the night but will continue perusing
suggestions--and looking more carefully at the links, which I
thank you for, Sheldon. Thanks, too, for the tips!
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> In article <7lqjusF3...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>
> that engineered wood bamboo, either) or tile. We're trying to decide
> which we will get ourselves. There is a kind of tile that is better in
> the kitchen, for floors, but I can't remember what it was. One allows
> things to break more easily, the other doesn't.
>
> Regards,
> Ranee @ Arabian Knits
>
> "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13
>
> http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/
Isn't that bamboo layered? Is there more than one kind? I want
solid wood.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or wall-to-wall
>> carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but I'd like to see the
>> conclusions that folks have come to about flooring in the kitchen.
>> Thanks!
>
> the occasional loss of china and glassware. But when we moved house I put in
> Pergo and was delighted with it. It comes in great colors, and is easier on
> the feet and the breakables.
>
> Felice
>
>
I never think that things are going to break more easily on hard
floor. My mind then goes to Corelle, which normally doesn't break
on the current floor. Maybe it would on tile etc.? I suppose,
too, that some such floors could themselves be damaged.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> Jean B. wrote:
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or wall-to-wall
>> carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but I'd like to see the
>> conclusions that folks have come to about flooring in the kitchen.
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>
> kitchen but it gets too cold here in CO about 8 months of the year for
> me to want unheated tile floors.
>
> Our kitchen floor, entry hall, family room and dining room are oak with
> walnut pegs. Given the choice I would have installed a lighter, less
> "grainy" wood. Some people like oak, I don't particularly.
>
> With wood floors you either have to put rugs down in heavy traffic areas
> or be prepared to refinish every few years
> where the finish gets worn. Not wearing shoes in the house helps.
>
> gloria p
We wear socks inside, but sometimes guests do not--and the cats'
claws do make little marks on the floor. The contrast between the
pegs and the flooring sounds beautiful to me!
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> On Nov 9, 7:32 am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>>
>> Jean B.
>
> I've never had kitchen carpet (ugh - why would anyone?) or hardwood
> (too hard to maintain - the real stuff, that is) or stone or ceramic
> tile (too easy to break stuff/too cold on bare feet).
>
> I had inlaid linoleum when we built the house, and now I have vinyl
> that looks like stone - sorry to any purists out there, but it is easy
> to clean, easy to maintain, and will never look bad.
>
> A second choice would be fake wood, I guess....it would have some give
> to it, and be pretty easy to maintain and clean.
>
> N.
Yes, I currently have linoleum that looks like flagstones. Not
bad. Maybe I should add that the next kitchen has a big opening
to the diningroom, so that might color the aesthetic choice.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
>
> "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:7lqjusF3...@mid.individual.net...
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or wall-to-wall
>> carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but I'd like to see the
>> conclusions that folks have come to about flooring in the kitchen.
>> Thanks!
>>
>
> the house with it.
>
>
> Debbie
Wow! Where do you live? I have seen houses with a lot of tile,
and I missed the hardwood. I guess I expect that in most of the
house.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>
> reasons and resale value is high on the list.
>
> We put an engineered wood floor in the kitchen a few months ago. The
> color we chose was a medium tone which is darkening quickly. Even
> though the planks vary in shades, it is definitely not a good choice
> for a working kitchen because every spot shows. So if my advice is -
> if you go with wood, go lighter. Do your homework about how dark even
> the lightest of woods will be eventually.
>
> I'm still partial to the vinyl that mimics stone for my kitchen.
> Spots don't stand out on that one.
>
> Good luck!
>
Hi. I'd love to hear more about the engineered wood, which my
agent suggested. Thanks for the tip about the wood darkening. It
would be useful to see what the color would be when aged. It must
be like my cherry furniture, which has aged to a beautiful color.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> Felice wrote:
>> "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote in message
>> news:7lqjusF3...@mid.individual.net...
>>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or wall-to-wall
>>> carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but I'd like to see
>>> the conclusions that folks have come to about flooring in the
>>> kitchen. Thanks!
>>
>> despite the occasional loss of china and glassware. But when we moved
>> house I put in Pergo and was delighted with it. It comes in great
>> colors, and is easier on the feet and the breakables.
>
>
> every room... including baths, utility room, closets and kitchen.....
> 2000+ sq feet and it sure wasn't cheap. The newer laminates are great
> looking, have a wear life that will outlive me and are very easy to
> maintain. With the humid weather here in the south, I just didn't want
> wall-to-wall carpeting.
>
> Laminates aren't usually recommended for any "wet" areas like bathrooms,
> but we don't have any children so spills and constant dampness haven't
> been a problem. I have to admit that I had reservations about doing
> this, but after almost 3 years, the floors look just as good as they did
> they day they were installed.
>
> That said, I wish we had put a tile floor in the kitchen. For some
> reason, I'm just not used to a wood floor there. It looks great... but
> doesn't "feel" right.... probably because all the cabinets are wood
> grained. My wife disagrees with me.... she loves it.
>
Interesting. The current kitchen has white cabinets. I don't
love them, but there is so much I want done that they will
probably be there for a while. I need to think about the floor
both with those cabinets and with possible replacements.
--
Jean B.
Christine Dabney
Maybe I should add that the next kitchen has a big opening
>to the diningroom, so that might color the aesthetic choice.
Aside from the new floors, will you now have room for all your
cookbooks?
Christine
Jean B.
>
>
> "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> news:7lqjusF3...@mid.individual.net...
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or wall-to-wall
>> carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but I'd like to see the
>> conclusions that folks have come to about flooring in the kitchen.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Jean B.
>
> Jean when redid our kitchen a few years ago we annexed the dining room
> to make a larger eat-in kitchen. The dining room had beautiful oak
> floors that we decide to extend into the kitchen. Both our kitchen
> designer and our flooring sub-contractor assured us there would be no
> problems with the finish or water, and would be a lot more comfortable.
> We had the floor heavily polyurethane coated and will need to redo that
> every 4 or 5 years. So far, so good. No issues at all. spills wipe up
> and a leaking dishwasher didn't damage it. It looks great, too.
>
> Jon
Thanks! Since the kitchen and dining area are very connected, and
I am thinking of extending the kitchen into that area, that is
relevant to my situation.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> Jean B. wrote:
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or wall-to-wall
>> carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but I'd like to see the
>> conclusions that folks have come to about flooring in the kitchen.
>> Thanks!
>
>
> -ssw
Well, Sheldon, for one, has cats, so he can probably comment on that.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> Nancy2 wrote:
>
>>
>> I've never had kitchen carpet (ugh - why would anyone?) or hardwood
>> (too hard to maintain - the real stuff, that is) or stone or ceramic
>> tile (too easy to break stuff/too cold on bare feet).
>>
>> I had inlaid linoleum when we built the house, and now I have vinyl
>> that looks like stone - sorry to any purists out there, but it is easy
>> to clean, easy to maintain, and will never look bad.
>>
>> A second choice would be fake wood, I guess....it would have some give
>> to it, and be pretty easy to maintain and clean.
>>
>> N.
>
>
> convenience over style. ;-)
>
> gloria p
Then I shan't get old! Yeah, right.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
>
>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>
> easily. I bought a few extra boxes so I'd make sure I had the same
> color...
I see that would be wise for several choices.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
Are engineered hardwood floors necessarily thin? I was just told
that they would expedite the coating and curing process. I don't
want something I might regret in the future.
--
Jean B.
TammyM
> Pete C. wrote:
>
>>
>> Good grief - and just why would you allow such a filthy beast in your
>> home at all??? I still can't understand why anyone would want a dog,
>> they are dirty, noisy, smelly and dangerous. When was the last time you
>> heard of a child being mauled to death by a domestic cat? When was the
>> last time you heard of noise complaints due to a barking cat? When was
>> the last time your house smelled like wet cat? When was the last time a
>> cat tracked mud all over your house?
>
>
> You need to understand that there are dog people and cat people and
> never the twain shall meet. I agree with you, but all those dog folks
> are gonna bite you in the butt big time. ;-)
And then there are people like me: dog AND cat people. I have 4 dogs,
2 cats and a Dyson "Animal" vacuum cleaner :-) The dogs are
indoor/outdoor (natch), the cats are indoor only. As Barb would say,
"sosumi".
TammyM
Pete C.
Nope, I've never run across a smelly cat. Only the litter box may smell,
and if it's smelling the cat will also be bugging you to clean it.
They're all anal retentive neat freaks after all.
> My dogs don't get up on the furniture
My cat gets up on the furniture because I let her, and unlike a dog, she
doesn't damage anything.
> and they
> don't walk around on the kitchen counters helping themselves to food.
My cat doesn't walk around on the kitchen counters helping herself to
food. She will sometimes hop up on the counter opposite where I'm
cooking to get a better view to supervise from.
She also rarely ever wants anything I'm cooking, I've not run across
such a picky cat before. I once baked some salmon, just plain salmon
since I made a separate dill cream sauce for it. I gave here a little
piece of the salmon, she sniffed it and then walked away.
Pete C.
Engineered wood flooring is essentially a thin plywood type of product,
typically about 3/8" think vs. traditional hardwood which is 3/4" solid
wood. The engineered wood flooring will have a top layer of the desired
hardwood, usually about 1/8" and the underlying layers will be cheaper
material. The engineered wood flooring will have factory applied finish,
lightly beveled edges, etc. and will install very quickly vs.
traditional finished after installation hardwood floors. Full
dimensional hardwood is also available factory finished now, so it can
be installed just as quickly as engineered wood can. With the hardwood
layer around 1/8" thick, engineered wood flooring can be sanded and
refinished once or twice only, vs. full 3/4" hardwood which can easily
be refinished a dozen times. For the "green" types, the engineered wood
flooring uses less new wood and can use recycled wood scrap in the
substrate layers, however full dimensional hardwood has a much longer
service life, and of course wood is a renewable resource.
Pete C.
Don't underestimate the change you can get from a simple refinishing of
the existing cabinets, presuming they are of decent quality
construction. Even putting entirely new doors and hardware on the
existing carcasses is vastly cheaper than replacing the entire cabinet.
Pete C.
Yes, engineered hardwood floors are around 3/8" thick overall with the
hardwood top layer around 1/8" thick. They are quite similar in overall
construction to laminate floors.
Full dimensional hardwood floors are a full 3/4" of solid hardwood and
as such have a much longer life expectancy and can be refinished many
times.
Full dimensional hardwood is available factory finished these days, so
it can be installed as quickly as the engineered flooring can, this vs.
the old finished after installation hardwood floors.
The engineered hardwood flooring will of course be less expensive since
it uses less of the expensive hardwood (1/8" or so) and uses cheaper
materials for the rest of the substrate.
Pete C.
I'm not sure what you have against carpeting, a good portion of my house
is carpet and I like it. Cleaning is quite easy with a $30 day rental of
a carpet machine from 'Depot or similar sufficient to do the whole
house. The dining room and kitchen are ceramic tile and I like that as
well.
sf
>Thank you. I am going to do a list of all answers, do some
>searching, etc. I hope the outcome is pleasing.
It's a crap shoot, Jean B. Use your best judgment based on your needs
and hope for the best. If you're not a house flipper or move every
few years, you really won't know if it suits you until you try it.
--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Pete C.
Be sure to investigate and understand the differences between engineered
hardwood flooring, and factory finished full dimensional 3/4" hardwood
flooring. Both are factory finished and install quickly, and both look
similar from the surface, however they are very different products.
Pete C.
Bamboo, being an oversized grass basically, will never be "solid wood".
All bamboo sheet products, be they cutting boards or flooring are going
to be an engineered material made with bamboo strips and adhesive.
Pete C.
Yes, tile will more readily break stuff like plates dropped on it, and
can be broken by suitably hard stuff dropped on it. If you do tile, get
an extra box or two of the original tile and stash it in a closet along
with an extra box of the grout to allow for any future repairs. It takes
a lot to crack a tile, but a good heavy pan dropping can certainly do
it.
sf
>Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>
>> We have porcelain and love it. It is hard though. If you drop something on
>> it be prepared for whatever you dropped to either break or be damaged. Not
>> everything breaks of course but some things will break or crack.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>Thank you, Michael. (Nice to see some posts from you, BTW.) That
>seems like an unusual choice!
Tile is not unusual (porcelain, yes), especially here in California.
However, I know people who have taken it out because they are fumble
fingers and every little thing they drop breaks or for the comfort
reason. If I lived in an area that was warm and humid year 'round,
I'd consider ceramic/glazed tile. I also would wear flip flops all
the time and leave them at the door when I entered as would my guests.
I'd even have a little place to rinse/wash my feet before entering the
house (if they were grungy).
<sigh> I think I need to move to Hawaii.
sf
> The irregular
>coloration seems to have pros and cons as far as showing dirt goes!
It's a HUGE plus if you don't like upkeep (like wiping up water spots
too). Please keep that in mind. :)
sf
>Kalmia wrote:
>> On Nov 9, 8:32 am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>>> Well, it looks like I am buying a house. Before we move in, I am
>>> replacing the floors (now plywood and either linoleum or
>>> wall-to-wall carpet). Most of the floors will be hardwood, but
>>> I'd like to see the conclusions that folks have come to about
>>> flooring in the kitchen. Thanks!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean B.
>>
>> Whatever you do, don't put in any sort of carpeting. We bought a
>> place once with indoor-outdoor in the kitchen - dark brown - I can't
>> imagine how filthy it must've been. It got replaced, pronto.
>>
>> I like tile, altho the grout can get dark and nasty. Pick a light
>> color tile and you'll then see how often you need to wash it - ha. I
>> could do mine daily!! I don't like a pattern either - harder to wash.
>
>I see there was later discussion of grout.
>
>I have read enough about carpeting to make sure that it is all
>taken out of this house and replaced by something else. If I have
>any rugs in the kitchen, they will be small, and wasily washed!
I think rugs make any place in the house (kitchens included) look
nice... and their place in the kitchen can be quite functional too.
sf
<grave...@verizon.net> wrote:
>in fact every stick of lumber used to build this
>house came from trees growing on this property
Dayam! Did you build that house yourself??? Was the mill on your
property? My grandfather built his own house, but he didn't grow the
trees or mill the wood. When the houses in my neighborhood were
built, they had their own mill that milled of all the wood -
structural and decorative... the trees were not grown on the property,
maybe a few were, but not as many as they needed to build all these
houses.
Debbie
I'm in Canada. I would use area rugs to bring colour and warmth into the
rooms. I could change em up as the mood suits. :-)
Debbie
sf
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>And cats aren't smelly?
Actually, they aren't... just their poop. Maybe some cats that have
fleas are smelly because they lick themselves a lot
>My dogs don't get up on the furniture
That's training from "puppyhood". My dogs don't get up on the
furniture either. Not even when I'm gone.
>and they don't walk around on the kitchen counters helping themselves to food.
Again, that's training... but it also requires that you to not be a
slob. Put your food away and clean up after you're finished. My cat
doesn't get up on the counters now, but he's been trained not to.
They're curious and want to see what's going on up there. You know
the saying, "Curiosity killed the cat"? It's true. It also gets them
persona non grata.
Dogs can't resist temptation either. My favorite story is from when I
was just a wee babe: my grandparents had a St. Bernard that was less
than a year old at the time. Mom made a birthday cake for my dad.
She shoved it into a corner, left to do something and came back into
the kitchen a few minutes later only to discover the dog had eaten the
entire thing.
Dad's birthday was not called off for lack of cake, so in the end it
was a good story. All's well that ends well!
sf
> a Dyson "Animal" vacuum cleaner :-)
I want a Dyson. I don't like what I have now because it's too heavy,
it feels like it wants to suck up the rugs when I have it on the
highest setting and the hose is too short.
> The dogs are indoor/outdoor (natch), the cats are indoor only.
My cats are indoor/outdoor too. My current cat doesn't like being
outdoors. He goes out if the weather is perfect and he doesn't want
any "trouble". He's content to be an indoor cat, but he rushes to the
door when he wants to do his "business". I'm ok with that.
sf
wrote:
>I once baked some salmon, just plain salmon
>since I made a separate dill cream sauce for it. I gave here a little
>piece of the salmon, she sniffed it and then walked away.
It's a texture thing.
Wayne Boatwright
Even a well trained pet can have "lapses of judgement". :-) The dog I
grew up with was a toy shepherd and extremely well trained. There were
certain rooms she knew she wasn't allowed in, and in the rooms where she
was allowed, there was a special throw run just for her and she knew to lie
down on only those. She was fed dog food, but also some foods left from
the table, although she never begged for them.
One summer evening when my dad was out of town on business, my mother had
cooked a pot roast and vegetables. As the weather was mild, the two of us
ate on our screened in back porch. As we were finishing, our neighbors
called us over to share some homemade ice cream. Not giving it a thought,
we left the food on the table and Trixie in the kitchen with access to the
porch. When we returned, the remainder of the roast was conspicuously
missing, but not another thing on the table was disturbed. A while later
we found a small grease spot on the porch floor, but not another trace of
the roast. Clever girl, that Trixie.
--
~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~
~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~
**********************************************************
Wayne Boatwright
sf
>Hi. I'd love to hear more about the engineered wood, which my
>agent suggested.
Engineered wood can be sanded and refinished at least once... or
that's what they claim. Regular wood floors are good for only twice,
according to every refinisher I've talked to. I don't know if it has
to do with resetting nails or what, because I know they have to reset
nails anyway from pure experience with floor refinishing.
>Thanks for the tip about the wood darkening. It
>would be useful to see what the color would be when aged. It must
>be like my cherry furniture, which has aged to a beautiful color.
Natural cherry is my favorite! I would love to have natural cherry
cabinets. I love the way it ages and I was hoping my engineered floor
(some exotic wood) would age the same way. As it is, it's darkening
quickly (only 6 months) so I'm not sure how dark it's going to end up.
Wayne Boatwright
Natural cherry really is beautiful. We used it in our last kitchen back in
Ohio. In the six years we lived there, it had deepened and mellowed into a
gorgeous color.
Gregory Morrow
> Everyone loves my new kitchen floor:
> http://i33.tinypic.com/28upbg8.jpg
> http://i38.tinypic.com/20a29h3.jpg
>
> Any questions feel free.
Nice! Is that Jilly on the counter in the first pic...???
^..^
--
Best
Greg
Giusi
"sf" < ha scritto nel messaggio
"Giusi" <deco...@gmail.com> wrote:
. Sometimes my feet hurt, but I change into
>>bouncier shoes and continue.
> I dunno, that's what I've been told by people who have ripped out> their
> tile floors. Personally, I wouldn't have tile because of the> grout.
> Maybe I'd feel differently if I lived in Hawaii.
Maybe they don't wear adequate shoes, but up to about 4-5 years ago, I often
cooked in heels and was fine up to 5-6 hours.
Epoxy additive in grout solves problems and I NEVER use white grout. It's
like a sin against humanity to use white grout. Even my pure white bathroom
walls have mortar colored grout.
Dave Smith
>> and they don't walk around on the kitchen counters helping themselves to food.
>
> Again, that's training... but it also requires that you to not be a
> slob. Put your food away and clean up after you're finished. My cat
> doesn't get up on the counters now, but he's been trained not to.
> They're curious and want to see what's going on up there. You know
> the saying, "Curiosity killed the cat"? It's true. It also gets them
> persona non grata.
>
> Dogs can't resist temptation either. My favorite story is from when I
> was just a wee babe: my grandparents had a St. Bernard that was less
> than a year old at the time. Mom made a birthday cake for my dad.
> She shoved it into a corner, left to do something and came back into
> the kitchen a few minutes later only to discover the dog had eaten the
> entire thing.
>
> Dad's birthday was not called off for lack of cake, so in the end it
> was a good story. All's well that ends well!
I was raised with dogs. I can only remember one incident where one our
dogs took some food off the counter. We never had cats when we I was a
kid. My wife and I got two cats when we moved out here. One year I
brought a birthday cake out to the patio table and went inside to make
coffee while my wife was changing the kid's diaper. I went out a few
minutes later to find the cats eating the cake. It had never occurred to
me that the cats might do that.
--Bryan
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:58:10 -0800 (PST), --Bryan <class...@brick.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 9, 5:56 pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:32:50 -0800 (PST), --Bryan <class...@brick.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >In pic #17 you can see our house to the right. It was a foreclosure
> >> >and we got a great deal.
>
> >> Sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you, but what a deal and
> >> you didn't even have to move out of the neighborhood. :)
>
> >I get to buy a new range too.
>
> I love appliance shopping. Does your wife get to have any input?
> Just askin'!
>
She insists on a gas range because she's the baker (though I do as
well because of the burners). I do 99%+ of the laundry (she folds and
puts away) so the washer/dryer is my domain. She'll probably have the
most input into the choice of fridge, and she can be the sole decider
of colors for the kitchen appliances. I might hold off on buying a
dryer and go back to hanging up, though now we have a child, so more
laundry.
--Bryan
Pete C.
Regular a.k.a. full dimensional (3/4") hardwood floors can absolutely be
refinished a lot more than twice. Nails have little to do with it since
hardwood floors are not normally face nailled.
Nancy Young
> She insists on a gas range because she's the baker (though I do as
> well because of the burners).
I think bakers usually prefer electric, that's why they have
dual fuel ranges. Just sayin.
> I do 99%+ of the laundry (she folds and
> puts away) so the washer/dryer is my domain.
I totally don't think you're giving her enough of a percentage.
Folding/sorting/putting away is the worst part of it. Just
sayin. (laugh)
> She'll probably have the
> most input into the choice of fridge, and she can be the sole decider
> of colors for the kitchen appliances. I might hold off on buying a
> dryer and go back to hanging up, though now we have a child, so more
> laundry.
Your choice, obviously, but I wouldn't go back to line drying as
my only option for nothing. Not going to happen.
nancy