OT Well, I had to voluntarily suck Jeff Bezos' dick! :-(

[John Kuthe]

I went to my local STL record store Vintage Vinyl, looked for (no luck) then tried to order CSNY's first album, but no luck, then tried going to my fave online Discogs.com but no luck either, so I Googled it and Amazon was the only one I found with a new 180g Vinyl copy, so I ordered one from Amazon! :-(

Jeff Bezos and Amazon, The Devil Incarnate!


John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

[GM]

Well, Bryan is not currently available, so I guess you have to settle for Bezo's gigantor weenie...

--
Best
Greg

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 17:29:10 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> I went to my local STL record store Vintage Vinyl, looked for (no
> luck) then tried to order CSNY's first album, but no luck, then
> tried going to my fave online Discogs.com but no luck either, so
> I Googled it and Amazon was the only one I found with a new 180g
> Vinyl copy, so I ordered one from Amazon! :-(

So we shouldn't have to be hearing you rant about this bullshit
anymore, right? Because that would make you a hypocrite. If you
really felt that strongly about Amazon/Bezos you wouldn't have
ordered it at all and had rather done without it.

It was also available on the Walmart Marketplace.

-sw

[Bruce]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 20:55:13 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

But that's the company that made America small again.

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 17:29:10 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe

Liar. You wanted that billionaire cock tickling your tonsils (I guess
the days of Bryan are long gone, commiserations). I say that, because,
within 60 seconds I found copies at:


https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/60519/Crosby_Stills_and_Nash-Crosby_Stills__Nash-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record
https://happyvalleyshop.com/products/crosby-stills-nash-crosby-stills-nash-vinyl
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Crosby-Stills-Nash-180-Gram-LP-VINYL-/184028566299
https://www.platekompaniet.no/vinyl/crosby-stills-nash-1/
https://www.musicdirect.com/vinyl/crosby-stills-and-nash-crosby-stills-and-nash-180g-vinyl-lp

BTW, 180g pressings are no guarantee of good sound quality. Some 180g
pressings are notoriously crap quality. Plenty out there willing and
able to dupe audiophools who see the term '180g' and spray their
shorts.

[dsi1]

Come on in, the water's fine! Here's what I got out of Jeff's dick this month. At the time that I ordered it, it was $219. My guess is that at $260, these things are going to sell like hotcakes. Then they'll raise the price again. Things are proceeding as I have foreseen.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08CN7VSRG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Cindy Hamilton]

It's just like his vegetarianism. He's virtuous until it's inconvenient
for him.

> It was also available on the Walmart Marketplace.

High five! Way to trigger Kuthe!

Cindy Hamilton

[John Kuthe]

On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 2:56:42 AM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
...

> Liar. You wanted that billionaire cock tickling your tonsils (I guess
> the days of Bryan are long gone, commiserations). I say that, because,
> within 60 seconds I found copies at:

Very good! I should have come to yoiu first!~

> https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/60519/Crosby_Stills_and_Nash-Crosby_Stills__Nash-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record
> https://happyvalleyshop.com/products/crosby-stills-nash-crosby-stills-nash-vinyl
> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Crosby-Stills-Nash-180-Gram-LP-VINYL-/184028566299
> https://www.platekompaniet.no/vinyl/crosby-stills-nash-1/
> https://www.musicdirect.com/vinyl/crosby-stills-and-nash-crosby-stills-and-nash-180g-vinyl-lp



> BTW, 180g pressings are no guarantee of good sound quality. Some 180g
> pressings are notoriously crap quality. Plenty out there willing and
> able to dupe audiophools who see the term '180g' and spray their
> shorts.

No they are not, but like a faster tape speed the potential for better sound quality is there. With a thin vinyl LP the potential for warping is definitely there! Like the thin LP copy of Sun Ra's "Liquidity" that I have! So warped I can't even play it, or choose not to.

John Kuthe...

[GM]

Oh noes, it's...it's...MALWART...!!!

Lol...

--
Best
Greg

[GM]

Uh, what's "faster tape speed" got to do with thin vinyl LP's....???

Honestly, I know more about hi - fidelity sound from my amateur dabblings in it 45 - 50 years ago than you'll ever know...

Anyways, I was SO glad when digital supplanted clunky old - fashioned LP's. I was a classical music fanatic 50 - odd years ago and the US pressings became so dire that I started ordering all of my LP's from London [specifically the venerable Henry Stave&Co. on Soho Square, they'd send my orders in cool wooden boxes...); exceptions were DGG [Deutsche Grammophon] and Philips LP's, which were imported from Europe and thus high - quality...about Henry Stave:

http://www.britishrecordshoparchive.org/henry-stave-and-company.html

The WORST were the RCA Red Seal "Dynaflex" pressings c. 1970. UK RCA pressings were top - quality, US pressings were JUNQUE:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynaflex_(RCA)

"Dynaflex is a trademark for a thin, lightweight vinyl LP record introduced by RCA Records in late 1969. Rather than using the stiff plastic material used by conventional vinyl pressings, Dynaflex records used a softer, pliable formulation that allowed RCA to use less material, saving money and also making the record appear to lie flatter on turntables. At the time, as a cost-cutting measure, most industry record pressing plants were using recycled or "reground" vinyl, taking old and unsold records, cutting out the center with the paper labels, then melting the rest down and reusing the material to make new records. Such "reground" vinyl records typically sounded much noisier and scratchier when played than a record made from new or "virgin" vinyl; collectors noted that "reground" records sometimes had small remnants of paper labels embedded in the outer edge of the LP.

RCA's Dynaflex records varied somewhat in thickness, but most literally "flopped" back and forth when held between the hands. Some were so thin and flexible they could actually be bent nearly in half. This flexibility also gave them theoretically more resiliency in shipping, resulting in fewer returns from retailers due to breakage and cracks.

Opinions from record collectors and audiophiles are divided as to Dynaflex's sound quality. Some felt that the sound quality actually improved, due to the purer vinyl used, and better processes for removing impurities in the vinyl compounds; others felt that Dynaflex pressings were noisier and lacked bass frequencies compared to conventional records, and also had more "rumble" (low frequency noise) than conventional thick pressings. While RCA claimed that Dynaflex records were less noisy and less susceptible to warpage and would last longer than conventional vinyl records, some consumers (particularly classical listeners) derisively referred to the new product as 'Dynawarp' because of evidence that Dynaflex records were prone to warp on dealers' shelves, just from the pressure of the shrinkwrap on the album jacket. Some critics charged that Dynaflex was nothing more than a ploy devised by RCA to save money by using less vinyl material than in traditional, thicker records.

RCA Records apparently never fully implemented the use of Dynaflex, as regular thicker vinyl records continued to be manufactured. Many titles issued by RCA were available in both Dynaflex and heavier vinyl pressings. Around approximately 1974, RCA began to gradually reduce the number of Dynaflex records being manufactured. RCA Records quietly discontinued Dynaflex entirely, sometime in the late 1970s..."

</>


--
Best
Greg

[Sqwertz]

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 18:56:29 +1100, Je₭us wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 17:29:10 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I went to my local STL record store Vintage Vinyl, looked for (no luck) then tried to order CSNY's first album, but no luck, then tried going to my fave online Discogs.com but no luck either, so I Googled it and Amazon was the only one I found with a new 180g Vinyl copy, so I ordered one from Amazon! :-(
>>
>>Jeff Bezos and Amazon, The Devil Incarnate!
>>
>>
>>John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian
>
> Liar. You wanted that billionaire cock tickling your tonsils (I guess
> the days of Bryan are long gone, commiserations). I say that, because,
> within 60 seconds I found copies at:
>
> https://store.acousticsounds.com/d/60519/Crosby_Stills_and_Nash-Crosby_Stills__Nash-180_Gram_Vinyl_Record
> https://happyvalleyshop.com/products/crosby-stills-nash-crosby-stills-nash-vinyl
> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Crosby-Stills-Nash-180-Gram-LP-VINYL-/184028566299
> https://www.platekompaniet.no/vinyl/crosby-stills-nash-1/
> https://www.musicdirect.com/vinyl/crosby-stills-and-nash-crosby-stills-and-nash-180g-vinyl-lp

He said CSNY - note the "Y". Of which the first album was Deja Vu.

-sw

[John Kuthe]

On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 6:44:06 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
...
Deletion of meretricious piffle (You are welcome!)

> He said CSNY - note the "Y". Of which the first album was Deja Vu.
>
> -sw

True, but Neil Young DID play with CSN at Woodstock! And joined the band shortly thereafter.

John Kuthe...

[John Kuthe]

And RAREWAVES-IMPORTS says I will get my LP copy of CSN's First Album on Nov 20th! Yay!! :-)

John Kuthe...

[Sqwertz]

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 17:19:40 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 6:44:06 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> ...
> Deletion of meretricious piffle (You are welcome!)
>> He said CSNY - note the "Y". Of which the first album was Deja Vu.
>

> True, but Neil Young DID play with CSN at Woodstock! And joined
> the band shortly thereafter.

So?

So you bought the wrong album. Bezos BURNED you! Ahahahahahahahaha!


-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Sat, 17 Oct 2020 17:31:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> And RAREWAVES-IMPORTS says I will get my LP copy of CSN's First
> Album on Nov 20th! Yay!! :-)

It doesn't surprise me you don't know what month it is.

-sw

[Alex]

You were too lazy to do a simple search.  Just admit that.

[John Kuthe]

On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 9:56:01 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
...
> You were too lazy to do a simple search.  Just admit that.

I DID A Google (simple) search, I *chose* unwisely! :-(

John Kuthe...

[Gary]

John Kuthe wrote:
> True, but Neil Young DID play with CSN at Woodstock!
> And joined the band shortly thereafter.

A bit of trivia here. Saw a documentary about them
at Woodstock. When it came time to make the Woodstock
album, their song(s) sounded so bad at the concert,
they went back into the studio to record a better version.
The studio version is what's on the record album.

[Leo]

On 2020 Oct 17, , dsi1 wrote
(in article<7a9f2410-a8fc-4b58...@googlegroups.com>):

> Come on in, the water's fine! Here's what I got out of Jeff's dick this
> month. At the time that I ordered it, it was $219. My guess is that at $260,
> these things are going to sell like hotcakes. Then they'll raise the price
> again. Things are proceeding as I have foreseen.

This is where you type “Mwa ha ha ha, Mwa ha ha ha ha!†while
rubbing your hands together.

[dsi1]

Actually, this is the part where I play the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaDTOxLGMew

[cshenk]

My most recent one. Very happy with it.

https://www.amazon.com/Sunnydaze-Firewood-Carrier-Outdoor-Storage/dp/B00OZTDGXA/

Don and i are older. We need to stop trying to each carry 3 logs at a
time in for the fireplace. It takes 12-16 for a day long fire.

This rolls to the wood pile, gets stacked, then rolls back in through
the porch and to the kitchen then to the fireplace.

[dsi1]

I've never seen such a contraption. I've always seen people in movies carrying fire wood/firewood using 2 hands though. I suppose that's pretty inefficient. I once saw a snow shovel/snowshovel in a hardware store. That was a pretty weird thing to see. I bought one for my son on his birthday.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 10/18/2020 10:40 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 1:58:10 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:

>>
>> My most recent one. Very happy with it.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Sunnydaze-Firewood-Carrier-Outdoor-Storage/dp/B00OZTDGXA/
>>
>> Don and i are older. We need to stop trying to each carry 3 logs at a
>> time in for the fireplace. It takes 12-16 for a day long fire.
>>
>> This rolls to the wood pile, gets stacked, then rolls back in through
>> the porch and to the kitchen then to the fireplace.

Wish I had that back in my wood burning days. I had a cloth carrier
with straps so you could carry a half dozen logs at a time. Once in a
whole I'd load the wheelbarrow and bring that in, then stack the wood in
the house for a few days.

Eventually I found it easier to turn on the thermostat and write a check
to the oil man.

[Cindy Hamilton]

We had one of those when we had a wood-burning fireplace.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sheldon Martin]

When we used our fireplace I used a kids red Radio Flyer wagon to haul
logs indoors. In fact I still have that wagon, sits in the barn with
a tarp over it as protection from bird droppings... anything stored in
a barn becomes covered with bird droppings, the reason I no longer
park my tractor in the barn.
That little red wagon could hold more than enough logs for a full
day's fire. When I bought it more than forty years ago I paid less
than $15 for it. I had offered it to the grands but they weren't
interested, kids today prefer playing with cell phones. I bought them
very nice soccer balls but they prefered cell phones. I still have
the two soccer balls, my wife uses them for floor exercises, they came
in very handy for her rehab exercises when she had her knee
replacement surgery.

[Gary]

cshenk wrote:
>
> Don and i are older. We need to stop trying to each carry 3 logs at a
> time in for the fireplace. It takes 12-16 for a day long fire.

And no doubt to the annoyance of your neighbors within a few
blocks.

[cshenk]

Well, we use our fireplace much of the winter. In fact, just had the
fireplace chimney cleaned for the next winter (important for safety as
other wood burner folks will tell you).

Anyways, we'd probably 1/2 load it then roll it in. I know Virginia
Beach doesn't 'sound' like it gets cold, and it's not like Canada or
upstate NY but we get 2 months of the year where it's in the 30's or
lower then 2 months on either side of the 40's. THe Heat Pumps used
here are not very efficient so at 32F they may not be well maintaining
65F without help.

We lucked out in that our fireplace is well positioned to truely heat
much of the house with a proper fireback (metal heat reflector at the
back and sides of the fire). Makes a huge difference.

[cshenk]

I know the feeling. Either way, it's all assembled and sitting by the
fireplace. I suspect first use will be in the next 2-3 weeks here.

We have a cloth carrier but this will take 4 loads of that in one shot
and only be 1/2 loaded. We'll see how it pans out.

[cshenk]

Why would they be annoyed? 1 in 5 houses have a fireplace along here
and use them in winter.

Some even group order wood. Saw 2 cords dropped upp up the street from
me last week and folks carting it off to their own woodpiles in back
yards.

[Gary]

cshenk wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
>
> > cshenk wrote:
> > >
> > > Don and i are older. We need to stop trying to each carry 3 logs
> > > at a time in for the fireplace. It takes 12-16 for a day long fire.
> >
> > And no doubt to the annoyance of your neighbors within a few
> > blocks.
>
> Why would they be annoyed? 1 in 5 houses have a fireplace along here
> and use them in winter.

On cold and mostly calm winter nights, your smoke hangs like a
fog over the entire neighborhood. Soon as the hot smoke
leaves your chimney it cools and stops rising.

I have one person near me that does this and it's highly
annoying to me and everyone else. Walk outside on a clear
cold night and the smoke will choke you.

Not a problem in rural areas but you live in a crowded
neighborhood.

You say "1 in 5 houses have a fireplace along here
and use them in winter." I'll bet you the other
4 out of 5 neighbors wish you would stop that.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Most in the north are wood burning stoves these days, not fireplaces.
There are regulations now and some have catalytic converters to clean
the stuff putting out. New England has many wood burners, more than the
1 in 5 in my neighborhood.

[Sheldon Martin]

In this rural area most homes have a fireplace including ours but most
don't burn wood and neither do we, instead they've converted to pellet
stoves. We never use our fireplace, instead we use a ventless
propane stove with visible blue dancing flames. It's ventless (no
chimney) and uses no electric, perfect during power outages... to
light just press a button, lights the same as an outdoor gas grill.
There are fancy models that look like old fashioned cook stoves
but we chose a plain one, it's mounted on a basement wall, its 30,000
BTUs heats our entire house in the dead of winter, has an adjustible
thermostat and shuts down if it senses carbon monoxide. The unit cost
$135 and our propane dealer installed it for free. You can buy one at
Amazon and install it yourself but I strongly recommend a professional
installation. For anyone in a cold climate it's perfect during power
outages, no frozen pipes to worry about. It'll operate on propane or
natural gas. We don't have a need to watch flickering/dancing flames
so a plain one on a basement wall works for us. Actually there's a
motorized insert in our fireplace that does a damn good job of
imitating a real wood fire with logs and flickering/dancing flames,
even crackles... no creosote/ashes... no waiting for embers to get
cold, just turn the switch to off and climb into bed. The only times
we turn that fake fire on is when we have company, and some people
need to keep looking at it before they believe it's not a real fire.
A good source for gas heaters:
https://worldmkting.com/
Amazon sells them:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ventless+propane+heater&crid=1HDG3YKRK0Y2F&sprefix=ventless+propane+heater%2Caps%2C913&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_23

[cshenk]

Gary wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> > > cshenk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Don and i are older. We need to stop trying to each carry 3
> > > > logs at a time in for the fireplace. It takes 12-16 for a day
> > > > long fire.
> > >
> > > And no doubt to the annoyance of your neighbors within a few
> > > blocks.
> >
> > Why would they be annoyed? 1 in 5 houses have a fireplace along
> > here and use them in winter.
>
> On cold and mostly calm winter nights, your smoke hangs like a
> fog over the entire neighborhood. Soon as the hot smoke
> leaves your chimney it cools and stops rising.

Gary, get over yourself on this one. You live in an apartment complex.
Our homes in single dwelling may be close, but we are still on 1/3-1/4
acre plots.

> I have one person near me that does this and it's highly
> annoying to me and everyone else. Walk outside on a clear
> cold night and the smoke will choke you.

It's hardly choking unless they are burning wrong or wrong wood that
has not been well aged. You probably have some one with an outside
caldera full of cheap pine scrub that you are seeing.

>
> Not a problem in rural areas but you live in a crowded
> neighborhood.

Not that crowded. Not at all like you make it sound.

> You say "1 in 5 houses have a fireplace along here
> and use them in winter." I'll bet you the other
> 4 out of 5 neighbors wish you would stop that.

Nope, they get jealous. Next door added a pot bellied stove after
building a hearth for it (For the rest, it's all cement slab here).
It's a smaller place than mine but it works and was far cheaper than
adding a fireplace. Here, wood is FREE if willing to split it Gary.
Delivered and split, 265$ for 2 cords. 2 cords = 3 winters most of the
time locally (this isn't Alaska or Canada or even upper NY state).

Reduction in bill = 100$ a month in our main heating months. We have 3
main heating months so that is split down to 29$ a month wood for 71$ a
month savings and renewable resource used.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 23:11:48 -0500, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:

But very polluting.

[Gary]

cshenk wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
>
> > cshenk wrote:
> > >
> > > Gary wrote:
> > >
> > > > cshenk wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Don and i are older. We need to stop trying to each carry 3
> > > > > logs at a time in for the fireplace. It takes 12-16 for a day
> > > > > long fire.
> > > >
> > > > And no doubt to the annoyance of your neighbors within a few
> > > > blocks.
> > >
> > > Why would they be annoyed? 1 in 5 houses have a fireplace along
> > > here and use them in winter.
> >
> > On cold and mostly calm winter nights, your smoke hangs like a
> > fog over the entire neighborhood. Soon as the hot smoke
> > leaves your chimney it cools and stops rising.

> > I have one person near me that does this and it's highly
> > annoying to me and everyone else. Walk outside on a clear
> > cold night and the smoke will choke you.

> Gary, get over yourself on this one. You live in an apartment complex.
> Our homes in single dwelling may be close, but we are still on 1/3-1/4
> acre plots.

What does living in an apartment complex have to do with extreme
air pollution here (some nights) coming from a house just like
yours nearby?

It's nasty, Carol, and very annoying. I suspect someday, your
other 4 out of 5 neighbors will complain to the city and get
your woodburning stopped in that crowded neighborhood.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:

>
> "cshenk" wrote:
> >Reduction in bill = 100$ a month in our main heating months. We have 3
> >main heating months so that is split down to 29$ a month wood for 71$ a
> >month savings and renewable resource used.
>
> But very polluting.

And do the math above. She's saving $210 per year on heating by
polluting the neighborhood air for 3 months, plus the extra
work to keep a fire going.

Not only that, her cost of firewood is a silly claim.

"It takes 12-16 for a day long fire"

"Delivered and split, 265$ for 2 cords. 2 cords = 3 winters most
of the
time locally"

Gary: HELLO! Average of 14 logs per day, for 90 days/year,
times 3 for 3 winters = 3780 firelogs
A cord of wood has about 256 2' logs. (4X4X8' is a cord)

According to your claim, you're burning almost 15 cords of
wood in a 3-year time, not 2 cords. Even allowing for many
mild winter days here, you are way too optimistic. You would
be lucky if 2 cords lasted you a year, much less 3 years.

So much for your monthly winter heat savings calculations.

And this from a woman that is pulling in $150-200K per year.
Penny pincher. It would only cost you $210 per year to
stop polluting the air in your neighborhood.

You want a nice fire to look at in your fireplace, put
a 32" flat screen tv in front of it and turn to the
"fireplace channel"

I don't think Carol is going to like me anymore but I
just had to say that. oh well.

[Mike Duffy]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:05:56 -0400, Gary wrote:

> You want a nice fire to look at in your fireplace, put a 32"

> flat screen tv in front and turn to the "fireplace channel"

In Quebec, Bell TV has both english & french versions.

[Gary]

Mike Duffy wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
>
> > You want a nice fire to look at in your fireplace, put a 32"
> > flat screen tv in front and turn to the "fireplace channel"
>
> In Quebec, Bell TV has both english & french versions.

Funny. I was working in a house one day years ago. They had
just installed a gas firelogs deal in their fireplace.

They were eating in the living room in front of the perfect
fire but something didn't seem quite right. Then I realized
that all was completely silent. No sound from a real fire.
It was odd.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-10-21 12:11 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>
> Nope, they get jealous. Next door added a pot bellied stove after
> building a hearth for it (For the rest, it's all cement slab here).
> It's a smaller place than mine but it works and was far cheaper than
> adding a fireplace. Here, wood is FREE if willing to split it Gary.
> Delivered and split, 265$ for 2 cords. 2 cords = 3 winters most of the
> time locally (this isn't Alaska or Canada or even upper NY state).
>
> Reduction in bill = 100$ a month in our main heating months. We have 3
> main heating months so that is split down to 29$ a month wood for 71$ a
> month savings and renewable resource used.
>

Considering the number of government committments to reduce carbon
emissions, I am surprised that there has not been a move to curtain the
use of wood burning stoves and fireplaces for heating. They look nice
and they feel nice, but they are really bad for emissions.

[Ed Pawlowski]

There are plenty of local regulations plus EPA regulation for emissions.
EPA Certified Wood-Burning Stoves
The EPA has set a PM emission standard for woodstoves at 7.5 grams an
hour. Since 1990, any manufactured woodstove must meet the EPA PM
emission standards.

https://www.epa.gov/burnwise/ordinances-and-regulations-wood-burning-appliances
Some states require older stoves be removed when selling the house.
Some locations have use restrictions on bad air quality days.

[Mike Duffy]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:14:42 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> Considering the number of government committments to reduce carbon
> emissions, I am surprised that there has not been a move to curtain the
> use of wood burning stoves and fireplaces for heating. They look nice
> and they feel nice, but they are really bad for emissions.

Umm, sure, but if you don't want the unburned wood creating methane as it
decomposes in the woodlot, your only other choice is to wait millions of
years for it to turn to coal.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-10-21 10:12 a.m., Gary wrote:

> Mike Duffy wrote:
>
>> In Quebec, Bell TV has both english & french versions.
>
> Funny. I was working in a house one day years ago. They had
> just installed a gas firelogs deal in their fireplace.
>
> They were eating in the living room in front of the perfect
> fire but something didn't seem quite right. Then I realized
> that all was completely silent. No sound from a real fire.
> It was odd.
>

My fireplace does not make a lot of noise. I burn mostly hard woods,
mainly maple. It has only an occasional pop. Pine tends to me much
noisier. I am always amazed at the sounds on the fireplace station.


On a related note.... I m reminded of an old episode of Mary Tyler Moore
where an old lady thinks that Ted look familiar. He says that maybe she
had seen him on television. She said that she doesn't watch television.
She has a fireplace.

[cshenk]

You have the size of a full cord wrong or I do but it's sold by that
name locally. Two of them fills 8 racks that are 8ft long each. Comes
in a 2ton lift truck. Takes 2 days for Don and I to get it all in the
back yard from the driveway.

We generally then spend a week getting it all stacked

You have my and my husbands combined income wrong. You also have the
pollution value wrong as driving to/from work causes more than a proper
fireplace with well seasoned wood (very little smoke).

If you think the electricity you burn here is clean energy, well, I
suspect it comes from the Nuclear plant south of us so better than most.

[cshenk]

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-10-21 10:12 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > Mike Duffy wrote:
> >
> > > In Quebec, Bell TV has both english & french versions.
> >
> > Funny. I was working in a house one day years ago. They had
> > just installed a gas firelogs deal in their fireplace.
> >
> > They were eating in the living room in front of the perfect
> > fire but something didn't seem quite right. Then I realized
> > that all was completely silent. No sound from a real fire.
> > It was odd.
> >
>
> My fireplace does not make a lot of noise. I burn mostly hard woods,
> mainly maple. It has only an occasional pop. Pine tends to me much
> noisier. I am always amazed at the sounds on the fireplace station.
>

It's mostly Oak here but Pecan is also common and yes, Maple. Virginia
Beach area has a surplus of good burning hardwoods created naturally
when a wind storm comes through. Pretty heavily tree filled spot.

Mine makes little noise at all. More when a log settles.

[cshenk]

Oh, Gary, you assumed 7 days a week burning. Bad assumption. This is
weekends and other days off. This winter may be more as teleworking
most days for now.

[Bruce]

So you're burning when everybody's home. In a city. Your neighbours
must love that.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:

>
> "cshenk" wrote:
> >Oh, Gary, you assumed 7 days a week burning. Bad assumption. This is
> >weekends and other days off. This winter may be more as teleworking
> >most days for now.
>
> So you're burning when everybody's home. In a city. Your neighbours
> must love that.

That was my point. Her smoke goes up the chimney so she doesn't
smell it but everyone else in the neighborhood does. It hangs
like a fog over a large area on a calm night. It can actually
be choking at times outside.

Even my outside furnace will pull a little in on a strong,
stinking night. I can be in my bedroom at night and as soon
as the heat kicks on, I smell wood smoke. So I get up and
turn off my heat until after midnight. By then, their fire
has burned out and the air is fresh again.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Old tech. My furnace has a power vent that draws air from outdoors
through a PVC pipe into a sealed combustion chamber and exhausts
combustion gases out through another PVC pipe.

I'm often surprised when I go outside in the morning and the air
is redolent of skunk or woodsmoke or something.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

cshenk wrote:
>
> You have the size of a full cord wrong or I do but it's sold by that
> name locally. Two of them fills 8 racks that are 8ft long each.

You do. A cord of wood is 4 feet wide (two 2' logs side by side),
8 feet long and 4 feet high. That's a cord of wood and approx
256 split logs total.

> Comes
> in a 2ton lift truck. Takes 2 days for Don and I to get it all in the
> back yard from the driveway.
>
> We generally then spend a week getting it all stacked

That's silly. Why not just hire a local teenager to do that
in a few hours?

> You have my and my husbands combined income wrong.

Not really said the kangaroo. You told your story. I
just ran the numbers.

Your income is 97K, soon to raise to 103K in January.

Let's just say 100K per year average salary
+ you get disability payments (for some odd reason)
+ you get a full Navy career retirement
+ your husband gets a full Navy retirement

- and maybe your husband gets disability too?
You've seem to indicate that in the past.

I think my estimate of $150-200K per year is close enough.

You don't need to defend yourself. Be happy. You've done good.

> If you think the electricity you burn here is clean energy, well, I
> suspect it comes from the Nuclear plant south of us so better than most.

My electricity (and yours) comes from the Surry Nuclear plant
located about 60 miles west of us, not south of us.

[Paul]

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 7:29:16 PM UTC-5, jwk...@bjc.org wrote:
> I went to my local STL record store Vintage Vinyl, looked for (no luck) then tried to order CSNY's first album, but no luck, then tried going to my fave online Discogs.com but no luck either, so I Googled it and Amazon was the only one I found with a new 180g Vinyl copy, so I ordered one from Amazon! :-(
>
> Jeff Bezos and Amazon, The Devil Incarnate!
>
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

Yes, people aren't naturally inclined to eat what's best for them.