Hygiene is important

[jmcquown]

"We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking
bunch of humanity I have ever seen. When we got about halfway up, the
head Rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn by
Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very
filthy, came down and met the General (Eisenhower)...The smell was so
terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later
lost my lunch as the result remembering it."

~ General Patton in Germany, diary entry Sept 17, 1945

[Thomas Joseph]

LOL.................. possibly even more so without Patton's name, or anyone's name at the end.

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:24:13 -0800 (PST), Thomas Joseph
<jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:

> jmcquown didn't write:
>
<snip>

>
>LOL.................. possibly even more so without Patton's name, or anyone's name at the end.

This is one of the boys here with a grudge against Jill. It's a
forgery, you need to learn how to read headers.

[Aumbax]

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))

[Thomas Joseph]

Jeßus wrote:

> >LOL.................. possibly even more so without Patton's name, or anyone's name at the end.
> This is one of the boys here with a grudge against Jill. It's a
> forgery, you need to learn how to read headers.

This may sound calloused, but it's not. I do sometimes follow the threads start to finish and know what's going on. But in the case of that guy's post I did not care who he was talking to. It was funny the way he just came out and attacked. I found it funny. I knew he was talking to someone but honestly did not care who. It's not like I'm taking his side or going against him. I read his post as merely a post, not caring about who it was about or who is was to. Again that may sound calloused, but the carefree reading style does open the door to laughs which is mainly what I'm after. Yes, I know there are plenty of grudges floating around in here. I do not intend to get into any of them. If someone says something negative about you, for instance, and I think it's funny - the way the person says it - that does not mean I'm taking his side. Same applies to Jill. I enjoyed reading the guy's words almost as if he were directing them at me. In fact I love being demeaned and belted with the truth. But it has to be the truth, or at least based on it. No outright fabrications.

[Bumbax]

[Bumbax]

Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:24:13 -0800 (PST), Thomas Joseph
> <jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> jmcquown didn't write:
>>
> <snip>

>>Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))

>> LOL.................. possibly even more so without Patton's name, or anyone's name at the end.
>
> This is one of the boys here with a grudge against Jill. It's a
> forgery, you need to learn how to read headers.
>

[John Kuthe]

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 3:02:56 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
...

Yes it is! Which is why whenever I Nordictrack, I immediately shower after!


John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[Fumbax]

Uhm, Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))

[Thomas Joseph]

jwk...@bjc.org wrote:

> Yes it is! Which is why whenever I Nordictrack, I immediately shower after!
>
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

I don't know exactly what you're talking about but I love the topic. Not Nordictrack, I'm talking about the shower and the reason people take them. Mostly to not stink. They don't mind stinking. They may even love the smell. But for society's sake they shower.

This leads me to the street loony who used to walk Hollywood Blvd with his shirt opened all the way exposing a filth crusted torso. It looked like soot. Every time I passed the guy I'd hold in my breath. One day I cursed myself for being such a scaredy cat. "Let's check it out", I told myself.

I circled back and got behind the guy, up really close, and whiffed away. I smelled nothing. Incredible. I circled around several times to confirm it. I began to theorize on it. Generally, people will begin to stink if they don't shower for a week or so, maybe less. But there is a point where the armor of filth becomes so strong that it seals in the stench. Seals it in so deep that it would require multiple showers to cut through it. A shower would not clean the guy, it would only serve to open cracks in his armor of filth, letting out the reek bit by bit. Since this is a food group I will phrase it this way: His filth was the crust that kept the pudding in check.

[Jeßus]

OK.

Would it be possible for you to word-wrap your replies? They are
difficult to read in one long line. Seems to be a problem when using
Google groups.

[Thomas]

If you use google groups to read and post it looks perfect.

[Alex]

Yet you launder your sheets 2-3 times per year, eh?

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 19:47:54 -0800 (PST), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
wrote:

This is how your posts look to us:
https://postimg.cc/BLL1wt9Y

You see, google Groups isn't really Usenet. Google decided to
bastardize Usenet with their 'Google Groups' about 20 years ago.
I don't know what the fix is, but I do know some posters here manage
to get the word wrap to work.

[Thomas Joseph]

eßus wrote:

> OK.
>
> Would it be possible for you to word-wrap your replies? They are difficult to read in one long line. Seems to be a problem when using Google groups.

Oh shit, here we go again. I remember now hearing this before a year or so back. I don't know how to wrap my replies other than manually. I just now made my window smaller. I wonder if that will help. I'm sorry that it presents a problem. I wonder if everyone sees it the same as you. I can't see it from your end. I know what you mean though, the sentence that runs out of page, just keeps going. The machine snaps back to the left at the end (right here), when it reaches the right margin. It would be easier for me to get cracking on resolving the issue if I could see it from your end. But I can't. Sorry.

[Thomas Joseph]

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:27:57 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:

> You see, google Groups isn't really Usenet. Google decided to
> bastardize Usenet with their 'Google Groups' about 20 years ago.
> I don't know what the fix is, but I do know some posters here manage
> to get the word wrap to work.

I'm too worn out right now but will try to remember this tomorrow in an effort to investigate the problem and how to possibly fix it. I am not a fan of google. They are no different from most companies in the sense that any new format they force on people is worse than the one before. They are always changing things. I can't complain because it's free and it's amazing it even exists. But yes, for sure, if I could find out how to better format my posts I would do it right away.

[Hank Rogers]

Some news clients have a setting for line length. So, for me, I
don't notice any difference in google group posters.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

No, it does not. I use Google Groups to read and reply and Jazee's posts
cover the whole page. He does not press the enter key after 80 or so
characters, he types until Google makes a new line.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 10:28:32 PM UTC-6, jazee...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> eßus wrote:
>
> > OK.
> >
> > Would it be possible for you to word-wrap your replies? They are difficult to read in one long line. Seems to be a problem when using Google groups.
> >
> Oh shit, here we go again. I remember now hearing this before a year or so back. I don't know how to wrap my replies other than manually.
>

That's what you have to do, manually wrap your replies. Once you do it
a few times it just sorta becomes natural to do it.

[dsi1]

Your analysis of the problem is not quite right. Your reader sets the lines to a set number of characters i.e., it doesn't have the capability to do word wrapping. Modern web pages are able to be resized and change their formatting because they use scalable type and the page rendering engine is able to do word wrapping. Your newsreader was created before scalable type. It looks like that because it's expecting carriage returns that isn't needed in the modern web pages or Google Group posts.

[Gumbax]

Google joined an existing Usenet system and protocol, antiquated as it
may be. And they're not playing by the rules. As a result, they're
creating an awful mess.

Nevertheless, some people, such as Joan and Cindy, in the past, make
it work to a certain degree. Others don't care and just make a mess.
I'm not mentioning any names :)

[dsi1]

That makes as much sense as saying that broadband internet isn't playing by the rules and that we should all be using 56K dial-up connections to access Usenet. You get the last word.

[Gumbax]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:38:17 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Thanks, I like that!

[Gumbax]

Gumbax wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:38:17 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 9:26:36 PM UTC-10, Gumbax wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:17:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>>> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your analysis of the problem is not quite right. Your reader sets the lines to a set number of characters i.e., it doesn't have the capability to do word wrapping. Modern web pages are able to be resized and change their formatting because they use scalable type and the page rendering engine is able to do word wrapping. Your
>>> newsreader was created before scalable type. It looks like that because it's expecting carriage returns that isn't needed in the modern web pages or Google Group posts.
>>
>>> Google joined an existing Usenet system and protocol, antiquated as it
>>> may be. And they're not playing by the rules. As a result, they're
>>> creating an awful mess.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, some people, such as Joan and Cindy, in the past, make
>>> it work to a certain degree. Others don't care and just make a mess.
>>> I'm not mentioning any names :)
>>
>> That makes as much sense as saying that broadband internet isn't playing by the rules and that we should all be using 56K dial-up connections to access Usenet. You get the last word.
>>
> Thanks, I like that!
>

We Dutch have a saying about froggers like yoos, which is KILL YOURSELF
you loser. no friends no real job no money no sex and no hope for the
future. Loser. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Gumbax]

[Gumbax]

Ghe?? Uhm, I dont ghet it?!?

[GM]

You should try following the lead of Joan
and I in doing manual returns - this makes reading our posts easier and more
pleasant for *everyone*...

This concept is ordinarily referred to as "common courtesy" - *just* so you know...

Shall I post a Holy Bible verse about
"kindness" so you'll get the "point"...???

O:-)

--
GM

[Gumbax]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 03:38:18 -0500, Gumbax <Gum...@nomail.invalid>
wrote:

Hey, Little Boner man, can you guess my next name?

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2022-02-20, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> Your analysis of the problem is not quite right. Your reader
> sets the lines to a set number of characters i.e., it doesn't
> have the capability to do word wrapping. Modern web pages are
> able to be resized and change their formatting because they use
> scalable type and the page rendering engine is able to do word
> wrapping. Your newsreader was created before scalable type. It
> looks like that because it's expecting carriage returns that
> isn't needed in the modern web pages or Google Group posts.

My "new" newsreader (slrn) wraps your posts for reading, but it pitches
a fit on the reply when it encounters a line longer than 80 characters.
I could force it to accept that (and I do, when it complains about
URLs), but I'm content to perform the public service of manually
wrapping your lines in my reply.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Janet]

In article <aNWdnRj-C5WRXoz_...@giganews.com>, Xela777
@gmail.com says...

"Whether they need it or not", LOL

Janet UK

[Jeßus]

No big problem if you can't fix it, I was just letting you know about
it.

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 22:47:39 -0600, Hank Rogers <Ha...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

I'll have to look at the settings for Agent again and see if I can do
that.

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:17:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Indeed, which is why people dislike google groups on Usenet. They took
a perfectly functioning protocol and bastardised it into something
else.

I LIKE the fact that Usenet is archaic. It has always just worked fine
the way it is. It doesn't need 'improving'. In no way has Google been
anything but a blight on Usenet. They even fucked up the Deja archive
beyond recognition when they took it over, despite them swearing they
wouldn't do that .

[Humbax]

[dsi1]

It's alright for you to LIKE archaic, but what has that got to do with me? Whether you LIKE it or not, the internet runs on HyperText Markup Language. The modern world depends on HTML to keep web pages looking correct and readable on a wide variety of devices/screen.
Some people enjoy posting on old style bulletin boards forums but so what? Most people don't live in the pre-WWW world and neither do you - you just think you do.

[Kumbax]

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))

[Michael Trew]

I, for one, appreciate such service. It's awful when GG posts run *way*
off of the page.

[Michael Trew]

Usenet is not HTTP; there is a difference. Google attempted to blur the
lines, and made a mess.

[Michael Trew]

Yes, your replies run way off page. Joan is suggesting to hit the
"return/enter" key a the end of the screen, to move down to a new one.

[Mumbax]

Michael's on the ball today.

[Mumbax]

[Mumbax]

[Mumbax]

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 14:40:55 +1100, Je₭us wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 14:46:04 -0800 (PST), Thomas Joseph
> <jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> >LOL.................. possibly even more so without Patton's name, or anyone's name at the end.
>>> This is one of the boys here with a grudge against Jill. It's a
>>> forgery, you need to learn how to read headers.
>>
>>
>>This may sound calloused, but it's not. I do sometimes follow the threads start to finish and know what's going on. But in the case of that guy's post I did not care who he was talking to. It was funny the way he just came out and attacked. I found it funny. I knew he was talking to someone but honestly did not care who. It's not like I'm taking his side or going against him. I read his post as merely a post, not caring about who it was about or who is was to. Again that may sound calloused, but the carefree reading style does open the door to laughs which is mainly what I'm after. Yes, I know there are plenty of grudges floating around in here. I do not intend to get into any of them. If someone says something negative about you, for instance, and I think it's funny - the way the person says it - that does not mean I'm taking his side. Same applies to Jill. I enjoyed reading the guy's words almost as if he were directing them at me. In fact I love being demeaned and
>>belted with the truth. But it has to be the truth, or at least based on it. No outright fabrications.
>
> OK.
>
> Would it be possible for you to word-wrap your replies? They are
> difficult to read in one long line. Seems to be a problem when using
> Google groups.

If anybody doesn't recognize the style, it's "Jammy Toe" from a few
years ago. He was buddies with somebody here - I forget who....tert
or that buffalo guy?

Stolen steaks and cab driver.

-sw

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 11:33:41 -0800 (PST), dsi1

LOL, well everything. Or nothing. Up to you. You're the one who
entered the discussion voluntarily...

>Whether you LIKE it or not, the internet runs on HyperText Markup Language.

Usenet is not the Internet. It predates the Internet. And the Internet
does NOT run on 'HyperText Markup Language either.

>The modern world depends on HTML to keep web pages looking correct and readable on a wide variety of devices/screen.

Yes, and?

>Some people enjoy posting on old style bulletin boards forums but so what? Most people don't live in the pre-WWW world and neither do you - you just think you do.

Mmm. So, let's take a vote here and let's see who thinks you are
correct? LOL.

You're like a Karen who is not invited to a party - but comes anyway -
only to complain about the food and people.

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:27:43 +1100, Je₭us wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 19:47:54 -0800 (PST), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>If you use google groups to read and post it looks perfect.
>
> This is how your posts look to us:
> https://postimg.cc/BLL1wt9Y

Press 'O' in Forte Agent (not that you should have to, but...)

40tude Dialog also allows you to rewrap when quoting obnoxious
Google Groups text. Such as:

>>> This may sound calloused, but it's not. I do sometimes follow
>>> the threads start to finish and know what's going on. But in
>>> the case of that guy's post I did not care who he was talking
>>> to. It was funny the way he just came out and attacked. I found
>>> it funny. I knew he was talking to someone but honestly did not
>>> care who. It's not like I'm taking his side or going against
>>> him. I read his post as merely a post, not caring about who it
>>> was about or who is was to. Again that may sound calloused, but
>>> the carefree reading style does open the door to laughs which
>>> is mainly what I'm after. Yes, I know there are plenty of
>>> grudges floating around in here. I do not intend to get into
>>> any of them. If someone says something negative about you, for
>>> instance, and I think it's funny - the way the person says it -
>>> that does not mean I'm taking his side. Same applies to Jill. I
>>> enjoyed reading the guy's words almost as if he were directing
>>> them at me. In fact I love being demeaned and belted with the
>>> truth. But it has to be the truth, or at least based on it. No
>>> outright fabrications.

Isn't that purty? And it adds the proper ">>>"'s for the current
quoting level. You'll notice all my Google quotes are re-wrapped to
proper line lengths when needed. Perhaps Agent has a "Reformat
Paragraph" option as well (doesn't look like it as first glance).

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 10:29:13 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> My "new" newsreader (slrn) wraps your posts for reading, but it pitches
> a fit on the reply when it encounters a line longer than 80 characters.
> I could force it to accept that (and I do, when it complains about
> URLs), but I'm content to perform the public service of manually
> wrapping your lines in my reply.

You should have gone to 40tude Dialog (it mostly runs under Wine
too, last I tried it). It does all that for you using "Reformat
Paragraph). See my example in the reply to Jebus.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

I just reformatted the whole, nasty slew of quoted text above with
one click.

-sw

[GM]

"Everything old is new again..."

- Marlene Dietrich to Orson Welles in 'Touch
of Evil'

--
GM

[GM]

Lol...

A deft summation of "The dsi1 Experience"...

--
GM

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2022-02-20, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>

> It's alright for you to LIKE archaic, but what has that got to do with me?
> Whether you LIKE it or not, the internet runs on HyperText Markup Language.

No, it does not. It runs on TCP/IP, UDP, POP, SMTP, FTP, HTTP, and
HTTPS.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Pumbax]

Uhm, Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :))))

[dsi1]

There's no reason in the world to use a newsreader that can't use scalable type and capable of word wrapping - except maybe fear of trying something new. The point is moot for me since I pretty much am forced to stick with web based apps. The reality is that it's easier for you guys to change your newsreader.

[Pumbax]

[dsi1]

Again, you analysis is flawed. It is you that bring your text-based desktop client programs with non-scalable type and incapable of formatting text into the year 2022 and then whine about not being able to see things correctly.

Please do take a vote. That would be interesting. Of course, it's not going to change a thing. You're delusional if you think that the past is the future. You guys will continue to bitch about this for years to come until you die or change your newsreader. Good luck to you all! Yoose gets the last word. 💩😢

[Thomas Joseph]

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 11:47:48 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:

> Some news clients have a setting for line length. So, for me, I
> don't notice any difference in google group posters.

I am glad to hear this from you as I have heard from others in the past about my text running endlessly left to right and never coming back. But it does come back, at least for me. Reading some of the followups below this one I see others also have no problem with the formatting of my posts. I am not heavy into the tech thing. I can improvise now and then, discover some stuff on my own and am pretty good at it. But the tech speak really gets to me. My words wrap. So for Jebus and others who have this problem with my posts I am truly sorry, but I am not sure there is anything I can do about it. I checked out some stuff yesterday and my machine can't fix a problem that for it does not exist. I can't see it either. Wish I could, then maybe I could do something about it. Anyway, glad to hear my posts don't show up to everyone as Jebus described.

[Thomas Joseph]

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:23:39 AM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> Oh shit, here we go again. I remember now hearing this before a year or so back. I don't know how to wrap my replies other than manually.

> That's what you have to do, manually wrap your replies. Once you do it
> a few times it just sorta becomes natural to do it.


You mean
Like writing something
In poem fashion
Making everyday words look
Unique and poetic
On the basis of formatting alone

Is that what you meant? Ok, now what I'm going to do is make the window narrow. For my eyes the last word to my right on the top line is "window." That is where the machine kicked in and took it back to the left margin. If the problem is mine and is fixable I will do it. But I'm not sure it is. I am by no means a techie but I know that not all machines work alike and incompatibility issues arise from time to time. I hope the input from all those chiming in helps those who see the formatting of my text offensive. I could adopt the pseudo poem motif I just used above - if it works. Sometimes it's even fun to write that way. So, for you "It's not Joan", how does the formatting of this post look to you?

[Thomas Joseph]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> That's what you have to do, manually wrap your replies. Once you do it
> a few times it just sorta becomes natural to do it.

Forgot to mention, I not only use Google, I have a Mac. Maybe there's an issue there. I am not asking for a vote, although that would be cool. For example, if 20 people responded to my question, "Do my posts look normal to you?" (the text, not the content), and only 1 of the 20 had a problem, I would have to conclude that the problem is coming from his end or is simply some kind of techno incompatibility issue.

[Thomas Joseph]

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 2:26:36 AM UTC-5, Gumbax wrote:

> Google joined an existing Usenet system and protocol, antiquated as it
> may be. And they're not playing by the rules. As a result, they're
> creating an awful mess.
>
> Nevertheless, some people, such as Joan and Cindy, in the past, make
> it work to a certain degree. Others don't care and just make a mess.
> I'm not mentioning any names :)


Why not mention names? I'd like to know if I'm in your 'some people' group. I don't know how my machine interacts with others, but I do know that unlike most I do a pretty decent job of cleaning up the text above my post.

[Hank Rogers]

You probably can't do anything since you're posting via google.
They are like apple ... everything has to be their way only.

The only thing you can do is to manually use carriage returns (hit
the enter key) after each 70 words or so.

[Thomas Joseph]

Jeßus wrote:

> No big problem if you can't fix it, I was just letting you know about
> it.

Ok, I'm going to do the same thing I did with "It's Not Joan", I'm going to tell you the last word on the right before my machine snaps back to the left margin. The word in the first line was "to", the second line "the" and now the third line "and." That looks normal to me. I even googled word wrap to check it out. I believe I already have it. But if doing the manual thing works, fine, I'll do it. Might even slow me down a bit, maybe I need that. If my machine did not kick back to the left margin and the text just kept rolling along I would never post. I appreciate you letting me know about it, but it is frustrating to hear how annoying it is to you, and to me as well to know there are people out there who think I don't care. Some things I do not care about, true. But when it comes to a post, my post, I do indeed care how it is seen - especially if it's a good one, not a boring techno geekazoid-oriented type like this one.

As I said before
Write everything in
Poem Motif
No matter how unpoetic
It
Might
Be...................................

[Qumbax]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:23:17 -0800 (PST), Thomas Joseph
<jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 2:26:36 AM UTC-5, Gumbax wrote:
>
>> Google joined an existing Usenet system and protocol, antiquated as it
>> may be. And they're not playing by the rules. As a result, they're
>> creating an awful mess.
>>
>> Nevertheless, some people, such as Joan and Cindy, in the past, make
>> it work to a certain degree. Others don't care and just make a mess.
>> I'm not mentioning any names :)
>
>
>Why not mention names? I'd like to know if I'm in your 'some people' group.

I meant dsi1. He's known about this for many years, but he thinks it's
other people's problem, not his. Oh well, it's more about content in
here than about form. I just bring lunch when I read these Google
Groups sentences. And when I reply to them, I clean up the mess. I
guess I'm just a nice guy.

[Thomas Joseph]

Jeßus wrote:

> I LIKE the fact that Usenet is archaic. It has always just worked fine
> the way it is. It doesn't need 'improving'. In no way has Google been
> anything but a blight on Usenet. They even fucked up the Deja archive
> beyond recognition when they took it over, despite them swearing they
> wouldn't do that .

I'm not in Ted Kyczinski's league,
but I am not heavy into the tech
scene and typically reject any and
all 'upgrades', not only on the machine
but in life in general. I like Usenet as well.
While I tend to believe the problem - if there
has to be one - is coming from your end,
not mine, or is simply 'our' problem with
no one to blame - must someone always
be to blame? - I also do not like the way
Google (and other such companies) forces
upgrades on people, changing the
formatting and so forth, and it's always worse
- way worse - more new but certainly
not improved bullshit. I had an actual
newsreader once - Outlook or something -
but one day it just quit on me. That was
years ago. So I went back to google. Every
so often I'll hear someone mention the endless
text lines, but it is so rare I have to believe the
majority are not seeing it as you are. I also
resent not just Google but any company
that does not post a phone number. Even
if they did, doesn't mean a human would
ever answer. I feel that way about any
company I look up on the web. If they don't post
a phone number I say fuck it. I'm not a boycotter
and am aware that my actions will have
no affect on these companies, but I don't care.
Same thing with price. If I see an ad for something
and they don't post a price, that's the end of that.
Funniest of all are ads for stuff being 50% off
regular price which of course is never mentioned.
Like buying a ten dollar pair of socks marked down
90% from $100. I despise marketing although I
think I'd be good at it.

By the way, I just wrote my post as usual, then when I was done I went up
and found a good spot to put the cursor and went line by line all the way down making the post shorter left to right. Just wondering how it looks compared to this, what I'm writing right now - if it looks any different. Here I am just typing away as usual. See Jebus, as much as I hate techno crap I am still a pretty good detective and am willing to work with you on resolving the issue - even if it means that correcting it for your eyes turns it into an ugly mess for everyone else.

[Thomas Joseph]

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 4:02:01 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:

> Yes, your replies run way off page. Joan is suggesting to hit the
> "return/enter" key a the end of the screen, to move down to a new one.

I have done that. So you see it the same as Jebus then? Yet others don't. Odd. I'm glad you told me though. The first line above ended with the word "don't" then came back to the left margin. So it works on my end, otherwise I would ever send such a mess.

Also, even though I have done it as you suggest,
line by line, I have at times waited till the post is
finished, then find a good spot to put the cursor and
work my way down to the end. Seems faster that way.
But does it work?

Ok, what you just read above was done line by line
while what I am writing now will be condensed
manually at the end of the post. I am writing
nothing here to fill in some space to conduct
the experiment, to see if condensing all at once
at the end of the post works as well as doing it
line by line. Ok, I'm done. Now I will find a spot
on the first line and make that my margin, then
condense the rest of the lines one by one.
Here we go.............
This is the PPC method. "Post Post Condensation".

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 2/20/2022 3:58 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

> On 2/20/2022 5:29, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2022-02-20, dsi1<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>  wrote:
>>>

>>> Your analysis of the problem is not quite right. Your reader
>>> sets the lines to a set number of characters i.e., it doesn't
>>> have the capability to do word wrapping. Modern web pages are
>>> able to be resized and change their formatting because they use
>>> scalable type and the page rendering engine is able to do word
>>> wrapping. Your newsreader was created before scalable type. It
>>> looks like that because it's expecting carriage returns that
>>> isn't needed in the modern web pages or Google Group posts.
>>

>> My "new" newsreader (slrn) wraps your posts for reading, but it pitches
>> a fit on the reply when it encounters a line longer than 80 characters.
>> I could force it to accept that (and I do, when it complains about
>> URLs), but I'm content to perform the public service of manually
>> wrapping your lines in my reply.
>

> I, for one, appreciate such service.  It's awful when GG posts run *way*
> off of the page.

I used to get that with Agent but I think it can be corrected. I now
use Thunderbird and never have a problem. They all read properly and I
can adjust the font size too.

[Thomas Joseph]

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 4:52:53 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:

> If anybody doesn't recognize the style, it's "Jammy Toe" from a few
> years ago. He was buddies with somebody here - I forget who....tert
> or that buffalo guy?
>
> Stolen steaks and cab driver.

I don't do aliases, Mr. Sqwertz - and I don't hide my identity, ever. My name is Thomas Joseph but my uncle used to call me Tommy Joe for reasons I won't go into. I never at any point in time have pretended to anyone else or shied away from being myself. Yes, I have been here before, not just a few years ago, but a few times since. I see the posts are less food related than ever. I think that's a good thing. But I am also into posting on food related topics and even asking questions about ways to prepare them. But I will never ask you because I know your response will be sarcastic. That is fine too. That's what I like about the groups, it's a microcosm of life. Or is life a microcosm of the groups? This topic is like so post 9/11 Twilight zone Neo Punk Grunge Inner Rage Lovemanship in tone. I'm down with it.

[Mike Duffy]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:18:07 -0800, Thomas Joseph wrote:

> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:23:39 AM UTC-5,
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:


>> That's what you have to do, manually wrap your replies. Once you do it
>> a few times it just sorta becomes natural to do it.
>
>

> You mean Like writing [...] poetic On the basis of formatting

You speak of Haiku

Five, Seven, then five again.

Soulfully soothing.

[Qumbax]

We Dutch have a saying about froggers like yoos, which is KILL YOURSELF
you loser. no friends no real job no money no sex and no hope for the
future. Loser. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Thomas Joseph]

Sqwertz wrote:

> If you use google groups to read and post it looks perfect.

> > This is how your posts look to us:
> > https://postimg.cc/BLL1wt9Y

I appreciate the link. I am the same as you,
I want to show people how things look to
others. But when I hit the link it took me
to a page that presented me with more
probably unnecessary security bullshit -
telling me not to enter because the site
is not secure or whatever.

But I hit 'enter' anyway. It then asked
me to sign up, username and password,
saying that doing so could make changes
to "Something technical I could not
comprehend", other than knowing I
do not like the word 'change', especially
when I'm not asking for it. Believe me I'd
love to see how it looks and will make an
effort to manually rewrap my messages
from now on. Such as I just did now.
Did it make any difference?

[Qumbax]

Uhm, Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))

[Thomas Joseph]

Hank Rogers wrote:

> You probably can't do anything since you're posting via google.
> They are like apple ... everything has to be their way only.
>
> The only thing you can do is to manually use carriage returns (hit
> the enter key) after each 70 words or so.

I jump on Google now and then
but in all fairness can't stack them
up against other companies I've never
used. I'll bet they all suck in some way.
I wouldn't mind a vote on this. Is everyone
in this group seeing my posts going on and
on forever to the right? In the meantime -
possibly forgetting from time to time -
I will make an honest effort to condense
the posts at what I think is an appropriate
space.. What I really want to know is,
"Would you do the same for me?"

[Thomas Joseph]

Qumbax wrote:

> Why not mention names? I'd like to know if I'm in your 'some people' group.

> I meant dsi1. He's known about this for many years, but he thinks it's
> other people's problem, not his. Oh well, it's more about content in
> here than about form. I just bring lunch when I read these Google
> Groups sentences. And when I reply to them, I clean up the mess. I
> guess I'm just a nice guy.

Same here. I also clean up the mess.
But I can't clean up what I can't see.
I am manually returning to the left at
what I deem an appropriate space.

What you see above was condensed
line by line, as written. What I am
condensing here with this paragraph
will be done when my post is done.
I would say that would be right around
now except someone mentioned
70 or 80 words is the time to do it.
Anyway, my first paragraph above was
done line by line while. This paragraph
is being condensed after it is written in full.
I will make the 'comeback' point at about
the same spot where the first paragraph
ends on the right. Ok, here it goes.

Any difference with or between those two paragraphs?

[Thomas Joseph]

I agree.
I know people who
Post that way
And I know I can do the same
But
I can't seem to do it easily
Without capitalizing the first word
To each new stanza
I am getting the vibe now
More relaxed and 'in the zone'
Then ever before
The vibe that this could well be
The greatest poem
I have ever written
And believe me buddy boy
I have written many.........................

Roi de Merde - poet at large

[Thomas Joseph]

Until the formatting problem
Is resolved
Or maybe even if it's not
I will continue to post
In typical poetry fashion
Because after all
I am a poet
Didn't I ever tell you that?
It's true, I am a poet
At heart
Not with words alone
But with everything
It oozes out of me
Even without trying
So from now on this will
Be my new style
Unless I forget to use it
Or someone tells me that it
Doesn't work anyway
Till then I will type my posts
in Poem Fashion
PTSD style

PTSD - Poetic Typing Style Delivery

[Hank Rogers]

They are very similar, about 40 characters per line, and even
people with newsreaders that don't have a line length setting
should be able to stop whining. Use whichever method is easiest for
you.

In fact you could increase your line length by 20 or 30.

The whining probably won't start till you're way over 72. It's a
magic number.

Good luck.

[Thomas Joseph]

I will be manually formatting
My posts from now on
I can deal with it
But what I want mainly to know
Is the following: Would you do it for me?
Well would ya punk?

[Qumbax]

They're both good, although you could make them a bit longer, only for
your own convenience. Maybe you can copy the length from the post
you're replying to, if that isn't a Google Groups post.

[Mike Duffy]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 16:45:23 -0800, Thomas Joseph wrote:

> I will be manually formatting My posts from now on.
> I can deal with it. But what I want mainly to know
> is the following: Would you do it for me?
> Well would ya punk?


I already did.

With a haiku example.

You did not notice.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2022-02-20, Thomas Joseph <jazee...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As I said before
> Write everything in
> Poem Motif
> No matter how unpoetic
> It
> Might
> Be..................................

Just a thought:
Imagine that all your poem lines end around 72 characters and are freestyle.
Think of posting here as a new form of poetry that you invented.
Call it carriage-return or old-style-typewriter poetry and claim credit ;)

[Rumbax]

On 21 Feb 2022 02:12:08 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

And publish a collection of those poems under the title Endless
Musings.

[Mike Duffy]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 16:38:16 -0800, Thomas Joseph wrote:


> Then ever before The vibe that this could well be The greatest poem I
> have ever written And believe me buddy boy I have written
> many.

The people who habit this forum,
All try to maintain some decorum.
They know I am wont,
My rhyming to flaunt,
When given a miniscule quorum.

So if you don't want to invite,
My rhymes in the form of a fight,
Please don't suggest,
Not even in jest,
That you have commensurate might.

The thing that you want to prevent,
As the words from my keyboard are sent,
Is that I might get stuck,
Like a bull in the muck,
With rhyming I cannot prevent.

[Rumbax]

[Rumbax]

[Rumbax]

[Hank Rogers]

That's probably what joan and cindy do :)

Except they don't crow about it.

[dsi1]

Well that is very nice of you. Hope it's all worth it.

[dsi1]

That's good. I like that style of breaking up a message. I think posts should be made to be read aloud in a slow, thoughtful, manner. Beats the heck out of me why I feel that way.

[Thomas Joseph]

UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:

> > Just a thought:
> > Imagine that all your poem lines end around 72 characters and are freestyle.
> > Think of posting here as a new form of poetry that you invented.
> > Call it carriage-return or old-style-typewriter poetry and claim credit ;)

> That's probably what joan and cindy do :)

> Except they don't crow about it.

Why risk of 72 characters or any specific number
Why not just draw the line
The way a free wheeling trumpet player
Takes breaths as needed
Phrasing his notes in accordance not with formal training
But strictly on when he feels he needs air
And also how each note
In this case word ends a line
And starts a new one
I mean like yo man
We're talking about the birth of poetry
On the level of famous guys who didn't use brushes
But shot their paint out of water guns
Or hired zoo creatures to sling it at the canvass
Coming up with all kinds of wild and wooly
Abstract neo punk, post 9/11 meaningfulness
Coming straight from the soul....................Man.

[Thomas Joseph]

Hank Rogers wrote:

> In fact you could increase your line length by 20 or 30.
>
> The whining probably won't start till you're way over 72. It's a
> magic number.
>
> Good luck.

I appreciate that. So you're saying when the text hits
72 characters, that's when things go wrong. Seems like a
lot of work to me. But let's look at the positives - just to
prove I'm a positive guy. The method may serve to slow
me down, improving my writing style, if I have one to begin
with. It could also slow me down in other ways, calming me
down, soothing my soul poetry style, making me a
better human all the way around. Reformatting my posts,
line by line or after the post is done, either way, it definitely has
its positives. Another positive is it gives me the opportunity to
mumble-gripe every time I write a post into this group, "Here I go again,
making sacrifices for other people", which is fine with me, except
for those moments, as mentioned earlier, when I am forced
to wonder, "Would they do the same for me?"

Well would they punk? Thanks for your input.

[Thomas Joseph]

dsi1 wrote:

> That's good. I like that style of breaking up a message. I think posts should be made to be read aloud in a slow, thoughtful, manner. Beats the heck out of me why I feel that way.

Yes, slow, thoughtful, and monotone - no emotion, no emphasis
on anything, no bias. I used to send letters to a no longer with
us standup named Kip Addotta. Sometimes he would read
something I'd sent him, either to criticize it or applaud it, and
he would always recite in in a monotone way. It could have
been his reading style, but I liked it, especially hearing my own
words read back to me by someone I never met face to face -
almost in league with my theory that translated short stories
from foreign writers appeal to me not so much because of
the writing, but more from the translation. It simplifies things.
So yes, I agree with you on this, Mr. Poet.

[Thomas Joseph]

Mike Duffy wrote:

> The people who habit this forum,
> All try to maintain some decorum.
> They know I am wont,
> My rhyming to flaunt,
> When given a miniscule quorum.
>
> So if you don't want to invite,
> My rhymes in the form of a fight,
> Please don't suggest,
> Not even in jest,
> That you have commensurate might.
>
> The thing that you want to prevent,
> As the words from my keyboard are sent,
> Is that I might get stuck,
> Like a bull in the muck,
> With rhyming I cannot prevent.

Very good. I am the same. When I format my posts in
Poem form I am tempted to force rhymes into them. I do
create rhyming poems from time to time, but mostly when
I was younger and had more passion for the work. Poetry as
presented and accepted by most is a real con job, isn't it?
It's all formatting, especially the beat crap from the 50s and 60s
As well as today
Someone taking a regular everyday phrase and
Formatting it to look like a poem
as in:

I feel
Like I'm
Going
Down
In life
Like I'm going
Up an escalator
That's coming
Down..........

Come on man, click those fingers!

[Thomas Joseph]

Michael Trew wrote:

> Yes, your replies run way off page. Joan is suggesting to hit the
> "return/enter" key a the end of the screen, to move down to a new one.

But they don't run off my page, far from it.
So for now I will adopt
What I call the poetry format
For my posts
I want whatever I say
Even if it's a threat to commit murder
I want it to sound poetic
I want it to be poetic
Without trying
Because trying is not my bag man............

[Sumbax]

It depends on the quality of the GG post.

[Thomas Joseph]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> No, it does not. I use Google Groups to read and reply and Jazee's posts
> cover the whole page. He does not press the enter key after 80 or so
> characters, he types until Google makes a new line.


Google makes a new line quite quickly, far before
72 characters. So to me it always looked perfect
and I wouldn't have known about it had Jebus not
mentioned it. You are making it sound like I am
rude or uncaring. Maybe you don't mean to sound
that way, but that's the way it sounded. How would
I know to hit the return bar after so many characters
without someone first telling me how awful it looks?
So from now on I will try to remember to post the way
I'm doing now. And if it still comes out taking up the
whole page, please let me know and I'll try something
else.. I know the problem you're talking about from
email. Like if I email someone a photo, or they to me,
sometimes it changes the formatting, so I will delete the
photo or move my response to a whole new page. But
that's different because I could see it happening. I did
not know it was happening till I was told. Someone
told me about it a year ago, but he was the only one and
I figured it was maybe something on his end. Anyway, I
would not have known about the endless text had someone
not told me - in the same way that had I not been told in school
that the earth is round I would still believe it's flat.

[Thomas Joseph]

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> Just a thought:
> Imagine that all your poem lines end around 72 characters and are freestyle.
> Think of posting here as a new form of poetry that you invented.
> Call it carriage-return or old-style-typewriter poetry and claim credit ;)

A good thought. But it's not a free style if one has
to concentrate on the length of his lines
instead of just freewheeling the post
But yes it is a good idea
And I have done it before
Sarcastically
To show people how just about anything
Can be made to look like poetry
Such as:

I went to the market today
And bought 2 oranges
And a banana
That should go well
With the kefir and oats dish
I have planned for
Later tonight

Market poem #2847 - copyright, 2022

[Thomas Joseph]

I noticed but never cared for Haiku -
Not free wheeling enough
Almost a handicap of sorts
A competition
Like who can run the faster
With one leg tied behind
Their back

[Thomas Joseph]

On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 8:08:42 PM UTC-5, Qumbax wrote:

> >Any difference with or between those two paragraphs?
> They're both good, although you could make them a bit longer, only for
> your own convenience. Maybe you can copy the length from the post
> you're replying to, if that isn't a Google Groups post.

I did that in the past when this issue came up
But why gamble?
I'll keep the lines even shorter than the post
I'm responding to.
Man, this tech stuff is frying my brain.

[Thomas Joseph]

Thomas wrote:
It's Joan, not Joan at Web TV:

> If you use google groups to read and post it looks perfect.

> No, it does not. I use Google Groups to read and reply and Jazee's posts
> cover the whole page. He does not press the enter key after 80 or so
> characters, he types until Google makes a new line.

Aha, very weird. So you use google same as me and still my
text runs off the page. "He does not press the enter key after 80
or so characters", you say. But I never knew that. My program kicks
back to the left on its own after (I will let it go and count the number), then let you know. Ok, it just came back after I typed the word 'let' in the previous sentence.

So I don't get it. But I'm not bitching about having to edit down my
posts. To me it's no big deal, even an adventure of sorts. I just don't
like being made to feel that I'm a careless guy messing up
things on purpose when that is far from the case. I am not one to go
from group to group. I had a regular group I posted into for years and
not once did anyone say anything about the text running of the page.
So how was I to know?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I use to frequent other groups but some have just become trash so
this in the only one I now post to.

[Thomas Joseph]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> I use to frequent other groups but some have just become trash so
> this in the only one I now post to.

I said it even a few years ago, that this place
is well organized. I am not one to jump from
group to group. My regular group had only 3
people in it and I considered it "The Greatest
Newsgroup of all time", whether I was serious
or not. Then some guy invaded the place and
brought a dispute between him and one of our
regulars into the group. I thought we could handle
it. But now an entire army of them have descended
on the group and post around the clock, nothing but
one copy and pasted thread after another. I usually
don't post here unless it's a question about food.
But if I find a thread that is off topic and up my alley
I will stick to it. I am almost never offended by
the content of anyone's posts. But when they're
purposely screwing things up it's vandalism. So yes,
I admit I am posting here now because this group
seems to have extended itself more beyond just food,
which I see as a good thing. Besides, food is a very
broad topic since we ourselves are food. Food in search of
food in this 'eat or be eaten' world of ours.