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Julie Bove

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Sep 10, 2012, 8:35:21 PM9/10/12
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Some years ago I was given a gift card for a store that I dislike. They
have a website online and I finally decided to order something there since I
really don't like going in the store. I don't know what it is about it but
it makes me feel generally uneasy. I think it is the lighting or something.
It seems too dimly lit and dingy in there. And I get annoyed when I see
their high prices for things that I can get for much less elsewhere.

This store had a Circulon very large saut� pan on clearance. I can't
remember the price now but I think it was around $70. I wouldn't normally
pay that much for a pan but I just wanted to use up the gift certificate. I
think it might be a non-stick pan although it isn't a Teflon type coating.

Turns out that it was my favorite pan ever! Was. Then something happened
to it. I'm not sure when it happened. Used to be that I could cook
anything and everything in it and it was fine. Then all of a sudden, eggs
would weld themselves to the pan. And now really anything and everything I
cook is sticking. And very badly. I just did some chicken in the pan.
Also did a couple of pieces in the new Orgreenic pan which is really too
small to do more than one whole breast.

The Orgreenic pan seemed to get a lot hotter a lot quicker. It came out
perfectly. The chicken in my Circulon pan not only stuck very badly but
burned. I used a garlic and herb marinade on it.

The problem now is that I feel that the pan is not coming fully clean when
try to clean it. I have had to resort to using a wire brush which I am sure
has probably destroyed whatever of the non-stick coating was there. I keep
scrubbing and scrubbing and black bits keep coming off. I am pretty sure
that the black bits are stuck on food. I can't get the surface to get
smooth like it one was.

So where did I go wrong? I don't think I ever used a high heat on the pan.
The highest I usually use with this pan is 7 on an electric stove. Now it
is possible that someone else in the house did something to the pan. Not
likely since they rarely ever cook. I just can't think of an incident that
I had that would have caused this.

I intend to get a similar pan when I get enough money saved up. I am sure
they don't make this pan any more since it is so old and it was a clearance
item. I just don't want to make the same mistake with the new pan. Thanks!


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Julie Bove

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Sep 10, 2012, 10:05:14 PM9/10/12
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"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
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> Cleaning a non stick pan with a wire brush - that's the coating coming
> off, not the food. And not knowing how to cook if you're burning
> chicken in a pan in the first place.

Yes but I only resorted to a wire brush when it wouldn't come off otherwise.
I was trying to find out what might have caused the food to stick to begin
with.

I have since ordered two pans. They cost less than I thought they would.
The chef's and the saute from Overstock.com. They may not match. I don't
care.
>
> But you already knew that. You just wanted us to tell you that.
> Nothing more to see here.

Well no. I still would like some ideas as to what might have caused the
food to stick to begin with. I have only ever had that happen waaaay back
when I bought cheap non-stick skillets. They never worked very well.


Polly Esther

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Sep 10, 2012, 11:27:46 PM9/10/12
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I have one griddle sort of pan. Don't know its proper name. Don't remember
its brand either but it was fiercely expensive. The instructions that came
with it said: NO dishwasher and NO spray-on non-stick like Pam. I won't buy
another one of that ilk but have great happy results with it. So great that
I gave one to DDIL.
Hers did just what you said; worked fine and then it was awful. Be very
careful choosing non-stick cookware and really do follow the instructions.
Polly

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sf

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Sep 11, 2012, 12:29:39 AM9/11/12
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:05:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

> I still would like some ideas as to what might have caused the
> food to stick to begin with. I have only ever had that happen waaaay back
> when I bought cheap non-stick skillets. They never worked very well.
>
You're already solved your own problem. It wore out. None of those
coated pans last forever. Throw it out and move on.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

Julie Bove

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Sep 11, 2012, 12:58:27 AM9/11/12
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"Polly Esther" <Poll...@cableone.net> wrote in message
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I have never put this pan in the dishwasher. The new pans I am buying do
say that you can. I just don't. They are so big anyway... They might not
fit.

Now the cooking spray! Hmmm... That is something that I hadn't used in
many years. I would just use oil, margarine or butter. But after a
discussion here about the high heat (grilling?) spray, I did buy some. I
can't remember now what the issue was but I want to say that it was free of
soybean oil.

I do remember my daughter finding a recipe that she really wanted to try and
it called for the cooking spray. She is one of those real sticklers for
details sometimes and this was one of those times. Oddly enough when she
wants to, she can take a recipe and make it free of her intolerances. But
this time she really insisted on the cooking spray. I would be willing to
bet that I used it in that pan!

I think the next time I go into the kitchen I will just throw that nasty
spray out. I never did like the stuff.

Thanks!Q


Julie Bove

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Sep 11, 2012, 12:59:26 AM9/11/12
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"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
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> I have a bunch of Circulon, both old and somewhat new. and have never
> had any problems with it except that the top surface of the ridges
> does wear out. It does not cause the problems Julie sees. I have had
> much worse luck with plenty of other non-stick brands (even All Clad).
> Only Bialetti had outperformed the Circulon (and at 1/3rd the price).
>
> I'm pretty sure her husband sabotaged them. He does that a lot.

That is quite possible. He is gone now. The kitchen is clean! And I have
room in my fridge again!


Julie Bove

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Sep 11, 2012, 1:01:13 AM9/11/12
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"sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:05:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>> I still would like some ideas as to what might have caused the
>> food to stick to begin with. I have only ever had that happen waaaay
>> back
>> when I bought cheap non-stick skillets. They never worked very well.
>>
> You're already solved your own problem. It wore out. None of those
> coated pans last forever. Throw it out and move on.

I would think that a Circulon pan should last for many years. I think Polly
Esther hit the nail on the head with the non-stick cooking spray. In fact
I'd be willing to bet on it! If it did say that in the instructions I would
have passed it by because I never used the stuff. I have some now. Well
until I go into the kitchen again. And then it will be going bye bye.


itsjoan...@webtv.net

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Sep 11, 2012, 1:05:07 AM9/11/12
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On Sep 10, 11:29 pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:05:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
> > I still would like some ideas as to what might have caused the
> > food to stick to begin with.  I have only ever had that happen waaaay back
> > when I bought cheap non-stick skillets.  They never worked very well.
>
> You're already solved your own problem.  It wore out.  None of those
> coated pans last forever.  Throw it out and move on.
>
>
Exactly. And that's why I weaned myself away from non-stick
cookware. Although I loved the ease of cooking in it and was very,
very careful with it I got tired of babying it. And then it started
peeling even though I pampered it; enough ot that!

Julie Bove

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Sep 11, 2012, 1:25:38 AM9/11/12
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Circulon is a different beast I think. Whatever they use is not like what
is used on those cheap skillets.

My parents and other people I know used to swear by T-Fal. I never had much
luck with it. You have to be super careful not to scratch it. And I was,
but others in this house were not and made their eggs with a fork.

I do have a very good non-stick skillet that was purchased in NY. So it's
at least 8 years old. I kept it hidden, leaving the old scratched one out
for he who would make eggs with a fork to use. Heh. My only issue with it
is that it is very large and I don't always need something that large. So I
got the Orgreenic one. It will be used only for eggs and perhaps pancakes.

I liked the saute pan because it was not only very large but deep. I could
do things like Spanish rice in it. I had gotten to the point where I was
using pretty much only it or my Rachael Ray pasta pot for most things. I
have an old Revereware pan that I use for popcorn. And I was using it for
smaller things like a serving of instant mashed potatoes or a can or soup.


sf

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Sep 11, 2012, 11:47:40 AM9/11/12
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:05:07 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

> On Sep 10, 11:29锟絧m, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:05:14 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I still would like some ideas as to what might have caused the
> > > food to stick to begin with. 锟絀 have only ever had that happen waaaay back
> > > when I bought cheap non-stick skillets. 锟絋hey never worked very well.
> >
> > You're already solved your own problem. 锟絀t wore out. 锟絅one of those
> > coated pans last forever. 锟絋hrow it out and move on.
> >
> >
> Exactly. And that's why I weaned myself away from non-stick
> cookware. Although I loved the ease of cooking in it and was very,
> very careful with it I got tired of babying it. And then it started
> peeling even though I pampered it; enough ot that!

We decided to go non-stick pan free and that only lasted a couple of
months. It's just too darned easy to cook eggs in one, so we are back
with a non-stick again (our egg pan). The difference is that we are
under no illusion that it will last and will replace it ASAP when we
decide it's time. We also aren't going to be under any illusion that
the pan will "last a lifetime" so we aren't going to be suckered into
spending an arm and a leg on one.... even if it has a fancy coating
that the shop keeper runs a rock over to demonstrate how tough it is.

Chemo

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Sep 11, 2012, 12:50:23 PM9/11/12
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On Sep 10, 7:05 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
> "Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
>
> news:1xfn6i3ppw8rf$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:35:21 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> >> Some years ago I was given a gift card for a store that I dislike.  They
> >> have a website online and I finally decided to order something there
> >> since I
> >> really don't like going in the store.  I don't know what it is about it
> >> but
> >> it makes me feel generally uneasy.  I think it is the lighting or
> >> something.
> >> It seems too dimly lit and dingy in there.  And I get annoyed when I see
> >> their high prices for things that I can get for much less elsewhere.
>
> >> This store had a Circulon very large sauté pan on clearance.  I can't
Call Al Gore...he'll know.

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

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Sep 11, 2012, 2:53:48 PM9/11/12
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In article <1xfn6i3ppw8rf$.d...@sqwertz.com>, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>
> Cleaning a non stick pan with a wire brush - that's the coating coming
> off, not the food. And not knowing how to cook if you're burning
> chicken in a pan in the first place.
>
> But you already knew that. You just wanted us to tell you that.
> Nothing more to see here.
>
> -sw

so only morons reply to Julie?

itsjoan...@webtv.net

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Sep 11, 2012, 10:52:55 PM9/11/12
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On Sep 11, 10:47 am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:05:07 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoannotjo...@webtv.net"
>
>
>
> > > You're already solved your own problem. It wore out. None of those
> > > coated pans last forever. Throw it out and move on.
>
> > Exactly.  And that's why I weaned myself away from non-stick
> > cookware.  Although I loved the ease of cooking in it and was very,
> > very careful with it I got tired of babying it.  And then it started
> > peeling even though I pampered it; enough ot that!
>
> We decided to go non-stick pan free and that only lasted a couple of
> months.  It's just too darned easy to cook eggs in one, so we are back
> with a non-stick again (our egg pan).  The difference is that we are
> under no illusion that it will last and will replace it ASAP when we
> decide it's time.  We also aren't going to be under any illusion that
> the pan will "last a lifetime" so we aren't going to be suckered into
> spending an arm and a leg on one.... even if it has a fancy coating
> that the shop keeper runs a rock over to demonstrate how tough it is.
>
>
>
It took me a few failures to master non-stick again but now I love my
Calphalon and that I can sling it in the oven and not worry about
going over 350°. I love that I don't have to worry about using
something other than wooden or nylon utensils in it, not worry that
someone else wouldn't be as careful with it as I would. Tri-ply
stainless steel cookware is my friend.

;)

Nunya Bidnits

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Sep 12, 2012, 5:20:28 PM9/12/12
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Julie Bove <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:


I would never help the imposter, Circulon. Melting for scrap is the only
solution.

Calculon
- Acting Unit
- Star, All My Circuits



Polly Esther

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Sep 12, 2012, 7:02:46 PM9/12/12
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Meanwhile, back to cleaning a non-stick pan, I made quite a mess with my
favorite non-stick skillet and went to Heloise for help. She said to fill
it with water and one tablespoon dishwashER detergent, turn on the vent fan,
boil the water for ten minutes. That worked very well. I've not quite
familiar with what the controls on my new stove mean. Obviously, the E in
Medium is too high for non-stick. Lesson learned. Polly

Janet Bostwick

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Sep 12, 2012, 8:12:35 PM9/12/12
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It is easy to put a shellac-type icky on any pan if you are heating or
frying too high. The icky is vi sable on stainless and is easy to
tackle there. On non stick it doesn't show up and isn't always
noticeable to the fingers. I find that a Dobie pad is perfect for
scouring all non stick pans after frying to keep them slippery clean.
I tried other nylon scrubbers but they don't seem to do the job like
the Dobie pad.
Janet US

Polly Esther

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Sep 12, 2012, 8:22:59 PM9/12/12
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"Janet Bostwick" <> wrote in message
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:02:46 -0500, "Polly Esther"
"Shellac-type icky"? That is exactly what it was. Polly

David Harmon

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Sep 12, 2012, 8:34:16 PM9/12/12
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:02:46 -0500 in rec.food.cooking, "Polly
Esther" <Poll...@cableone.net> wrote,
>Meanwhile, back to cleaning a non-stick pan,

If you have pan spray or something coating the pan, scrub it with a
"Mr. Clean Magic Eraser" or other branded equivalent. Too new for
Heloise to know about.

Polly Esther

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Sep 12, 2012, 8:49:33 PM9/12/12
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"David Harmon" <sou...@netcom.com> wrote in message
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Those erasers are wonderful and I enjoy them - but - as gentle as them seem,
they can and will damage some finishes. Polly

Kalmia

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Sep 12, 2012, 8:59:27 PM9/12/12
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On Sep 10, 8:35 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
> Some years ago I was given a gift card for a store that I dislike.  They
> have a website online and I finally decided to order something there since I
> really don't like going in the store.  I don't know what it is about it but
> it makes me feel generally uneasy.  I think it is the lighting or something.
> It seems too dimly lit and dingy in there.  And I get annoyed when I see
> their high prices for things that I can get for much less elsewhere.
>
> This store had a Circulon very large sauté pan on clearance.  I can't
Why do ppl keep trying non-stick pans? Eventually, we all have fallen
out of love with them, no?

Quit filling landfills with unsatisfactory pans and sayva-yo-mahnee..

Brooklyn1

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Sep 12, 2012, 9:14:12 PM9/12/12
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Non stick is like cooking with training wheels.

Cheri

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Sep 12, 2012, 10:37:03 PM9/12/12
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"Kalmia" <tween...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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Why do ppl keep trying non-stick pans? Eventually, we all have fallen
out of love with them, no?

Quit filling landfills with unsatisfactory pans and sayva-yo-mahnee..

========

Nope, I love mine and haven't replaced any for several years.

Cheri

Julie Bove

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Sep 12, 2012, 10:43:43 PM9/12/12
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Kalmia wrote:
> On Sep 10, 8:35 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> Some years ago I was given a gift card for a store that I dislike.
>> They have a website online and I finally decided to order something
>> there since I really don't like going in the store. I don't know
>> what it is about it but it makes me feel generally uneasy. I think
>> it is the lighting or something. It seems too dimly lit and dingy in
>> there. And I get annoyed when I see their high prices for things
>> that I can get for much less elsewhere.
>>
>> This store had a Circulon very large saut� pan on clearance. I can't
Well, no. I love them and I have had this one for quite a few years. I had
a skillet that came with my Revereware and I don't know what possible use it
could have had. Everything stuck to it.
>
>
> Quit filling landfills with unsatisfactory pans and sayva-yo-mahnee..

What then would you suggest that I use? I hate cast iron. Too heavy and it
never worked for me.


Julie Bove

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Sep 12, 2012, 10:47:18 PM9/12/12
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 17:59:27 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
> <tween...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 10, 8:35 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> Some years ago I was given a gift card for a store that I dislike.
>>> They have a website online and I finally decided to order something
>>> there since I really don't like going in the store. I don't know
>>> what it is about it but it makes me feel generally uneasy. I think
>>> it is the lighting or something. It seems too dimly lit and dingy
>>> in there. And I get annoyed when I see their high prices for things
>>> that I can get for much less elsewhere.
>>>
>>> This store had a Circulon very large saut� pan on clearance. I can't
Okay... What do you use then?


Polly Esther

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Sep 12, 2012, 11:41:07 PM9/12/12
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"Julie Bove" and others and I can't decipher who wrote what -


>>>> So where did I go wrong? I don't think I ever used a high heat on
>>>> the pan. The highest I usually use with this pan is 7 on an
>>>> electric stove. Now it is possible that someone else in the house
>>>> did something to the pan. Not likely since they rarely ever cook. I
>>>> just can't think of an incident that I had that would have caused
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> I intend to get a similar pan when I get enough money saved up. I
>>>> am sure they don't make this pan any more since it is so old and it
>>>> was a clearance item. I just don't want to make the same mistake
>>>> with the new pan. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Why do ppl keep trying non-stick pans? Eventually, we all have
>>> fallen out of love with them, no?
>>>
>>> Quit filling landfills with unsatisfactory pans and sayva-yo-mahnee..
>>
>> Non stick is like cooking with training wheels.
>
> Okay... What do you use then?

I love non-stick. I gave the grandsons the cast iron. I can't lift it
anymore. If someone manufactures a big skillet with training wheels, send
it here. Our set of fine Volrath s/s is good for most things. Swooping
pancakes on a non-stick? Priceless. Polly
>

Julie Bove

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Sep 13, 2012, 12:06:29 AM9/13/12
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I tried cast iron twice. Maybe I got bad stuff but I didn't like it at all.
One was the little kind that came with Christmas food in it. I got it
marked down to something like 75% off after Christmas. I didn't want the
food. I just wanted a cast iron pan because I had heard that it was good.
I seasoned it like you are supposed to but the food stuck to it very badly.
I wound up throwing it out.

Some years later, I bought a little cast iron skillet. Seasoned it again.
Again, everything stuck to it. Those little skillets were so heavy, I can't
even imagine trying to heft a larger one.

I once tried a skillet that was at my BIL's cabin. I can't remember the
particulars now. It wasn't non-stick. I can't even remember what I
attempted to cook in it. But I do remember it sticking and making a mess
and I had to go out and buy some scrubbers because they didn't have any at
the cabin.


sf

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Sep 13, 2012, 12:14:45 AM9/13/12
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:02:46 -0500, "Polly Esther"
Polly, if you needed any sort of online help to clean that nonstick
pan on the nonstick part.... it's time to throw the d*mn thing out.
Really. Just do it and get another (cheap) one. Next time, don't be
so mean to your nonstick pan.

Malcom "Mal" Reynolds

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Sep 13, 2012, 1:08:24 AM9/13/12
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In article <o6c2585igjj6iug97...@4ax.com>, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1>
wrote:

>
> Non stick is like cooking with training wheels.

which makes it perfect for julie

Brooklyn1

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Sep 13, 2012, 9:49:48 AM9/13/12
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"Julie Bove" wrote:
>Polly Esther wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do ppl keep trying non-stick pans?
>>>>>
>>>>> Quit filling landfills with unsatisfactory pans
>>>>
>>>> Non stick is like cooking with training wheels.
>>>
>>> Okay... What do you use then?

I don't own any non stick stove top cookware, I do have some non stick
bakeware, I have a collection of Nordic Ware.

>> I love non-stick. I gave the grandsons the cast iron. I can't lift
>> it anymore. If someone manufactures a big skillet with training
>> wheels, send it here. Our set of fine Volrath s/s is good for most
>> things. Swooping pancakes on a non-stick? Priceless. Polly
>
>I tried cast iron twice.

Professional cooks do not use cast iron or non stick, instead they use
carbon steel pans, they're light weight and can be seasoned exactly
the same as cast iron... carbon steel pans are available in far
greater diameter than cast iron... I've seen 24" carbon steel fry
pans. I own one piece of cast iron, a gingerbread house mold, but
it's more of a novelty, was used maybe a half dozen times some 40
years ago. Someone gave me a set of cast iron cookware, I used the
large pot once and tossed the entire set in the trash. The correct
nomenclature for cast iron is crap iron. There are many brands,
here's but one:
http://cutlerycuts.com/steel-pans.htm

Julie Bove

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Sep 13, 2012, 10:36:07 AM9/13/12
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"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
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Okay. Thanks!


Thomas

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Sep 13, 2012, 12:43:43 PM9/13/12
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Circulon has no coating. If you are desparate, toss it in the oven on
the oven cleaning setting. (600 deg for 3-4 hours?) I have done this
to my circulons that misbehave. Let it cool, oil it and then wash.
Good as new. Every stain will vanish.

pltrgyst

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Sep 13, 2012, 2:56:37 PM9/13/12
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On 9/13/12 12:43 PM, Thomas wrote:
> Circulon has no coating. If you are desparate, toss it in the oven on
> the oven cleaning setting. (600 deg for 3-4 hours?)

All current Circulon lines (Classic, Contempo, Elite, Infinite, and
Symmetry) have one or more Dupont coatings, which would be destroyed by
running through a self-cleaning oven cycle.

Further, according to their Web site, they've never made anything other
than hard-anodized exterior cookware with interior non-stick coatings
since their inception in 1985.

To which Circulon line are you referring in your claim above?

-- Larry

Julie Bove

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Sep 13, 2012, 6:01:18 PM9/13/12
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"Thomas" <cano...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I already threw it out. Two new ones came today.


Julie Bove

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Sep 13, 2012, 6:17:42 PM9/13/12
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"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote in message
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According to this:

http://www.ehow.com/how_8300203_care-circulon-cookware.html

Using anything over low to medium heat will cause the food to stick. I
never used high but I did use medium-high. I will remember not to do that
now.


sf

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Sep 14, 2012, 1:56:39 AM9/14/12
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I can use low to med-high and get perfect results, but that's probably
because my burners put out more heat than the stove ehow used.

Julie Bove

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"sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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I did read the instructions that came with the pans. Says only to use low
to medium heat. No pan spray and only olive or peanut oil if you want oil.
Other oils can cause food to stick.

I did notice that the Orgreenic pan did heat up a lot more quickly than the
Circulon. That was interesting.


George M. Middius

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Speaking of self-cleaning ovens, I saw one recently that prescribed
removing the steel racks before running it. Anybody know why?

graham

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"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote in message
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Probably just thinner.


Janet Bostwick

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Sep 14, 2012, 10:40:47 AM9/14/12
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I think it used to be that all self cleaning ovens recommended that
the racks be removed during cleaning. Leaving the racks in spoiled
the rack surface and made them harder to clean and slide -- made them
less slick. I thought that being able to run the racks in the clean
cycle was a newer thing.
Janet US

Julie Bove

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"Janet Bostwick" <nos...@cableone.net> wrote in message
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Huh. I've never removed my racks for cleaning.


Brooklyn1

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Sep 14, 2012, 1:53:40 PM9/14/12
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:32:57 -0400, George M. Middius
<glan...@gmail.com> wrote:

The oven gets hot enough during the clean cycle to remove the temper
from the steel wire racks. Then they will no longer safely support
heavier foods like large lasagnas, hams, and turkeys. Commercial
stoves use much larger diameter wire for their oven racks so those
will survive the clean cycle but still I'd remove those too.

Brooklyn1

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Sep 14, 2012, 2:38:49 PM9/14/12
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"Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>I've never removed my racks for cleaning.

You shower in your bra? ;)

Kalmia

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On Sep 10, 8:35 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
> Some years ago I was given a gift card for a store that I dislike.  They
> have a website online and I finally decided to order something there since I
> really don't like going in the store.  I don't know what it is about it but
> it makes me feel generally uneasy.  I think it is the lighting or something.
> It seems too dimly lit and dingy in there.  And I get annoyed when I see
> their high prices for things that I can get for much less elsewhere.
>
> This store had a Circulon very large saut pan on clearance.  I can't
> remember the price now but I think it was around $70.  I wouldn't normally
> pay that much for a pan but I just wanted to use up the gift certificate.  I
> think it might be a non-stick pan although it isn't a Teflon type coating.
>
> Turns out that it was my favorite pan ever!  Was.  Then something happened
> to it.  I'm not sure when it happened.  Used to be that I could cook
> anything and everything in it and it was fine.  Then all of a sudden, eggs
> would weld themselves to the pan.  And now really anything and everything I
> cook is sticking.  And very badly.  I just did some chicken in the pan.
> Also did a couple of pieces in the new Orgreenic pan which is really too
> small to do more than  one whole breast.
>
> The Orgreenic pan seemed to get a lot hotter a lot quicker.  It came out
> perfectly.  The chicken in my Circulon pan not only stuck very badly but
> burned.  I used a garlic and herb marinade on it.
>
> The problem now is that I feel that the pan is not coming fully clean when
> try to clean it.  I have had to resort to using a wire brush which I am sure
> has probably destroyed whatever of the non-stick coating was there.  I keep
> scrubbing and scrubbing and black bits keep coming off.  I am pretty sure
> that the black bits are stuck on food.  I can't get the surface to get
> smooth like it one was.
>
> So where did I go wrong?  I don't think I ever used a high heat on the pan.
> The highest I usually use with this pan is 7 on an electric stove.  Now it
> is possible that someone else in the house did something to the pan.  Not
> likely since they rarely ever cook.  I just can't think of an incident that
> I had that would have caused this.
>
> I intend to get a similar pan when I get enough money saved up.  I am sure
> they don't make this pan any more since it is so old and it was a clearance
> item.  I just don't want to make the same mistake with the new pan.  Thanks!

If you don't like the store, then why not re-gift the card? Oh,
that's right, then we wouldn't have this diatribe to enjoy---er, I
meant enDURE.

pltrgyst

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Sep 14, 2012, 8:18:20 PM9/14/12
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On 9/14/12 10:40 AM, Janet Bostwick wrote:

> I think it used to be that all self cleaning ovens recommended that
> the racks be removed during cleaning. Leaving the racks in spoiled
> the rack surface and made them harder to clean and slide -- made them
> less slick. I thought that being able to run the racks in the clean
> cycle was a newer thing.

You are correct.

-- Larry

merryb

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On Sep 14, 6:12 am, "graham" <g.ste...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote in message
>
> news:k2uilu$ntu$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
> >news:bmh5581gq1iskpies...@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:17:42 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
> >>> "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:k2tl35$dd6$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> >>> > "Thomas" <canope...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> >news:141c9800-aa3a-40b9...@kr6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> >>> >> Circulon has no coating. If you are desparate, toss it in the oven on
> >>> >> the oven cleaning setting. (600 deg for 3-4 hours?) I have done this
> >>> >> to my circulons that misbehave. Let it cool, oil it and then wash.
> >>> >> Good as new. Every stain will vanish.
>
> >>> > I already threw it out.  Two new ones came today.
>
> >>> According to this:
>
> >>>http://www.ehow.com/how_8300203_care-circulon-cookware.html
>
> >>> Using anything over low to medium heat will cause the food to stick.  I
> >>> never used high but I did use medium-high.  I will remember not to do
> >>> that
> >>> now.
>
> >> I can use low to med-high and get perfect results, but that's probably
> >> because my burners put out more heat than the stove ehow used.
>
> > I did read the instructions that came with the pans.  Says only to use low
> > to medium heat.  No pan spray and only olive or peanut oil if you want
> > oil. Other oils can cause food to stick.
>
> > I did notice that the Orgreenic pan did heat up a lot more quickly than
> > the Circulon.  That was interesting.
>
> Probably just thinner.

+1

Julie Bove

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Sep 15, 2012, 12:37:29 AM9/15/12
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Because I don't give gifts that are that large for one thing. And there
would be nobody that I could re-gift it to. The only person I know who
actually likes that store...actually she LOVES that store and goes there
every week...s the person who gave me the card. Her birthday comes before
Christmas.

These days gift cards are good forever. At least in this state. Back then
they were not and the card was coming close to being a year old. I don't
know that cards actually expired back then but they could take a percentage
off of the amount.


David Harmon

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Sep 15, 2012, 11:58:24 AM9/15/12
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:49:33 -0500 in rec.food.cooking, "Polly
Esther" <Poll...@cableone.net> wrote,
>
>"David Harmon" <sou...@netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:KdqdndQAJ8iOt8zN...@earthlink.com...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:02:46 -0500 in rec.food.cooking, "Polly
>> Esther" <Poll...@cableone.net> wrote,
>>>Meanwhile, back to cleaning a non-stick pan,
>>
>> If you have pan spray or something coating the pan, scrub it with a
>> "Mr. Clean Magic Eraser" or other branded equivalent. Too new for
>> Heloise to know about.
>
>Those erasers are wonderful and I enjoy them - but - as gentle as them seem,
>they can and will damage some finishes. Polly

Which nonstick pan finish will they damage?


sf

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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:58:24 -0700, David Harmon <sou...@netcom.com>
wrote:
I must use them wrong because I haven't been impressed. Do you use
them wet or dry?

Richard Kennedy

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 09:49:48 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

>Professional cooks do not use cast iron or non stick, instead they use
>carbon steel pans, they're light weight and can be seasoned exactly
>the same as cast iron... carbon steel pans are available in far
>greater diameter than cast iron... I've seen 24" carbon steel fry
>pans. I own one piece of cast iron, a gingerbread house mold, but
>it's more of a novelty, was used maybe a half dozen times some 40
>years ago. Someone gave me a set of cast iron cookware, I used the
>large pot once and tossed the entire set in the trash. The correct
>nomenclature for cast iron is crap iron. There are many brands,
>here's but one:
>http://cutlerycuts.com/steel-pans.htm

The web site talks about two types of steel pans, black ("sometimes
called blue") and carbon steel pans. You favor carbon steel over cast
iron pans partly because of their lighter weight. Their "10-1/4"
heavy duty carbon steel frying pan" is said to weigh 4 lbs., which is
what my Lodge 10" cast iron pan plus 1 oz. weights.

Their black pan 10-1-1/4" pan is much lighter, however, weighing only
a couple ounces under 2 lbs.. Is the "carbon pan" as a "heavy duty"
pan extra heavy or is it maybe that the lighter " black(blue)" pan is
also made of carbon steel? The site doesn't seem to claim any
difference in "un-stickiness" between the carbon and black(blue) pans.
I could go for a light, non-stainless steel pan over a cast iron pan
if it only merely matched the cooking qualities of a cast iron pan.

RK







David Harmon

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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:28:26 -0700 in rec.food.cooking, sf
<s...@geemail.com> wrote,
I use them wet. And I certainly agree they are not for everything;
for most purposes just keep doing what you are doing.


happy...@gmail.com

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If you do not #$1,000 cookware stf, the reason circuulon gets clogged is b/c there is food clogged in the circles. you have to burn out the clogs. i'm a professional and would think thaty Maggie would attest to that. Burn your pan.

OK, drinks on me. forgive the tyops

Cheryl

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On 9/14/2012 2:25 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> I did read the instructions that came with the pans. Says only to use low
> to medium heat. No pan spray and only olive or peanut oil if you want oil.
> Other oils can cause food to stick.

That's way too limiting for my cooking needs.

Julie Bove

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Sep 16, 2012, 12:14:45 AM9/16/12
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Works for me!


sf

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Sep 16, 2012, 1:58:16 AM9/16/12
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:28:31 -0400, Cheryl <jlhs...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Nonstick isn't an all purpose pan, Cheryl. You need to use cast iron
if you want to use high heat. I wouldn't use high heat with stainless
steel either.

Julie Bove

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Sep 16, 2012, 3:45:49 AM9/16/12
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The only time I use high heat is for boiling water and only just to bring it
to a boil.


pltrgyst

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Sep 16, 2012, 11:33:48 AM9/16/12
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The bit about the specific oils is absurd. The only factors that matter
in liquid oils are the smoke point and the amount of particulates (which
might burn). And those two, olive oil and peanut oil, span the full
range of both factors.

As to the heat limitations, so long as you're using top quality
non-stick saute or frying pans -- heavy aluminum, thick clad, etc. --
actually cooking at any setting above 6 (on a 1-10 scale) will burn your
food. You simply don't need more heat.

The only practical effect of the heat limitation is in the longer time
needed to pre-heat the pan. So you allow an extra minute or two --
shouldn't be a big deal.

-- Larry

Ruth Youkoski

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Sep 16, 2012, 12:51:50 PM9/16/12
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On Sep 13, 2:56 pm, pltrgyst <pltrg...@xhost.org> wrote:

>
> To which Circulon line are you referring in your claim above?
>
> -- Larry

I have the full set for about 15 years. My smaller fry says Circulon
Commertial icbaa97. There is more writing but my eyes suck. It also
says Meyer on the bottom. Looking harder it also says London, San
Fran, Hong Kong.

I really have baked them to clean them up. Right or wrong it works for
me.

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