PUNGENT after-taste (canned spaghetti or ravioli)

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

What is that pungent after-taste that stays with you once you prepare and have a can of spaghetti or ravioli?

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/6/2017 7:28 AM, bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:
> What is that pungent after-taste that stays with you once you prepare and have a can of spaghetti or ravioli?
>

Don't remember. It has been over 50 years since I had a taste of that
horrid stuff. Make pasta with a jarred sauce if you want easy and
acceptable taste.

[Gary]

I haven't eaten canned spaghetti in about 40 years. I did eat it
occasionally in my early twenties though when I just wanted a quick
filler and didn't worry about taste. I do remember though that it's
better eaten cold right out of the can. If you heat it up, it gets too
soupy (watery).

Canned ravioli, I'll buy on sale sometimes when hurricane season is
approaching. Just for backup food that needs no refrigeration or even
heat to eat.

I've never noticed any "pungent after-taste" though. You either like the
canned stuff or you don't.

IMO, canned meals are good for emergency situations (like no power). I
rarely buy any canned *meals* these days except for that.

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

Gary wrote:
>
>
> I haven't eaten canned spaghetti in about 40 years. I did eat
> it occasionally in my early twenties though when I just wanted
> a quick filler and didn't worry about taste. I do remember though
> that it's better eaten cold right out of the can. If you heat
> it up, it gets too soupy (watery).
>
> Canned ravioli, I'll buy on sale sometimes when hurricane season
> is approaching. Just for backup food that needs no refrigeration
> or even heat to eat.
>
> I've never noticed any "pungent after-taste" though

I sure tasted it. "Spaghetti and Meatballs" by Chef-Boy-Ar-

[graham]

That stuff is vile! I bought some for my grandchildren once, tried it
first and pitched it!

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/6/2017 8:30 AM, Gary wrote:

> IMO, canned meals are good for emergency situations (like no power). I
> rarely buy any canned *meals* these days except for that.
>

I wonder how those 25 year meals they sell for survivalists are. Seems
it would be a good idea to have at least a few days supply on hand if
you are in a place with potential long term outages.

[Gary]

Something to eat is better than nothing.....as long as it's still good.

Also handy to have on hand is cash in small bills. In cases of long term
power outages some stores will open briefly using a generator. Cash only
though, no credit or debit cards.

I got caught that way one year. Power was out for 3 days. I had no cash
but plenty in my bank account. I couldn't buy anything since it was cash
only. Since then, I always get $100 in one dollar bills each August when
hurricane season is coming. Just in case.

[Taxed and Spent]

Your favorite stripper's name is Hurricane?

[Brooklyn1]

"l not -l" wrote:

>bruce2bowser wrote:
>
>> What is that pungent after-taste that stays with you once you prepare and
>> have a can of spaghetti or ravioli?

Chemically that's known as TIAD.

>Tin leached from the can lining - maybe? Acidic contents, such as
>tomato-ish substance, can react with tin.

There's no tin (Sn) in the 'tin can' (it's steel or aluminum), same as
there's no tin in tin foil, it's aluminum foil (I hear some say
"aluminum tin foil"). My theory is that many people began writing tin
foil because they didn't know how to spell aluminum. lol

[Taxed and Spent]

Tin foil predated aluminum foil, and the nickname stuck. Fewer
syllables I guess.

Likewise with tin cans - previously they used tinplate steel for
corrosion resistance.

[dsi1]

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 2:29:00 AM UTC-10, bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:
> What is that pungent after-taste that stays with you once you prepare and have a can of spaghetti or ravioli?

I am familiar with this taste. My guess is that it's an extract of black pepper. I can't say why they add it to canned pasta except that it's probably masking some other flavor.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 04:28:55 -0800 (PST), bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:

>What is that pungent after-taste that stays with you once you prepare and have a can of spaghetti or ravioli?

The preservatives, colorants, emulsifiers and anti-coagulants.

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 04:28:55 -0800 (PST), bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:

>What is that pungent after-taste that stays with you once you prepare and have a can of spaghetti or ravioli?

'Prepare'? You mean, open the can? The crap flavour you're
experiencing is because it's crap. What else do you expect?

[Ophelia]

"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
news:a1kv6chb02nb46m43...@4ax.com...

==============

Oh! I thought it was spelled aluminum in US?? You are the first person I
have seen using 'aluminium'.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

[Brooklyn1]

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 09:37:09 -0800, Taxed and Spent
<nospam...@nonospam.com> wrote:

>On 1/6/2017 9:24 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "l not -l" wrote:
>>> bruce2bowser wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is that pungent after-taste that stays with you once you prepare and
>>>> have a can of spaghetti or ravioli?
>>
>> Chemically that's known as TIAD.
>>
>>> Tin leached from the can lining - maybe? Acidic contents, such as
>>> tomato-ish substance, can react with tin.
>>
>> There's no tin (Sn) in the 'tin can' (it's steel or aluminum), same as
>> there's no tin in tin foil, it's aluminum foil (I hear some say
>> "aluminum tin foil"). My theory is that many people began writing tin
>> foil because they didn't know how to spell aluminum. lol
>>
>
>
>Tin foil predated aluminum foil, and the nickname stuck.

There has never been tin foil food wrap, show me. Some 200 years ago
there were tin lined cans but people died.

[Taxed and Spent]

I don't have to show you anything. I explained why people call it tin
foil and tin cans. I am done.

[graham]

From the lead solder, NOT the tin!!!

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 17:55:19 -0500, Brooklyn1
<grave...@verizon.net> wrote:


>There has never been tin foil food wrap, show me. Some 200 years ago
>there were tin lined cans but people died.

They died from the lead used, not the tin itself.

[The New Other Guy]

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:42:12 GMT, "l not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:

>You are correct; there are no longer tin cans made wholly of tin. The
>common tin can, such as currently used by Del Monte for canned fruit, among
>other brands and contents, is made of tinplate steel.

Most 'tin' cans are actually now made out of aluminum.
It's cheaper, resists corrosion better, is easier to work,
and DOESN'T contaminate food once opened and food left inside.

[The New Other Guy]

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:09:24 -0700, graham <gst...@shaw.ca> wrote:

>>> There has never been tin foil food wrap, show me. Some 200 years ago
>>> there were tin lined cans but people died.
>>>
> From the lead solder, NOT the tin!!!

FELDERCARP!!

If a tin can (when they WERE tin) was opened, and food left inside
for some length of time, the corrosion would create toxins within
the food, and it COULD kill!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6759048


And there CERTAINLY WAS tin foil, which is why it is CALLED that,
while actually now being made of aluminum, LIKE tin cans are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:21:47 -0800, The New Other Guy
<News...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:42:12 GMT, "l not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:
>
>>You are correct; there are no longer tin cans made wholly of tin. The
>>common tin can, such as currently used by Del Monte for canned fruit, among
>>other brands and contents, is made of tinplate steel.
>
>Most 'tin' cans are actually now made out of aluminum.

Most cans in America might be made that way, but not elsewhere.
('soda' and beer cans being an exception).

>It's cheaper, resists corrosion better, is easier to work,
>and DOESN'T contaminate food once opened and food left inside.

Aluminium has it's own toxicity issues. But then so too does BPA.

[jmcquown]

I got a couple of free samples from that Wise Company. Horrific stuff.
I suppose if I was starving I'd eat them. Canned ravioli would be
better and cost a whole lot less.

Jill

[jmcquown]

You have to figure any meal that comes in a can and only costs about a
dollar (maybe less?) can't be all that great.

Jill

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 19:09:33 -0500, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Indeed. Then again, I'm partial to baked beans, although the good
brands tend to cost more than a dollar.

[graham]

On 2017-01-06 4:28 PM, The New Other Guy wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:09:24 -0700, graham <gst...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>>> There has never been tin foil food wrap, show me. Some 200 years ago
>>>> there were tin lined cans but people died.
>>>>
>> From the lead solder, NOT the tin!!!
>
> FELDERCARP!!

Read up about the Franklin Expedition!

[Brooklyn1]

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 20:32:01 -0600, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 19:09:33 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> You have to figure any meal that comes in a can and only costs about a
>> dollar (maybe less?) can't be all that great.
>

>Chef Boyardee prices are actually dropping. They used to be about
>$1.20/can and now they're down to $.85/$.90, sometimes less on sale.
>Store brand is $.75.
>
>Just like most fast food, I sometimes eat them for sustenance - not
>for flavor. I will always eat something else if it's readily
>available.
>
>-sw

THE DWARF WILL EAT ANY CRAP HE CAN GLOM FROM HIS FOOD PANTRY... IT'S
EASY TO SEE THAT THE PICS OF FOOD HE POSTS ARE FOOD PANTRY VITTLES.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 6:50:20 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Jan 2017 15:21:47 -0800, The New Other Guy
> <News...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:42:12 GMT, "l not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>You are correct; there are no longer tin cans made wholly of tin. The
> >>common tin can, such as currently used by Del Monte for canned fruit, among
> >>other brands and contents, is made of tinplate steel.
> >
> >Most 'tin' cans are actually now made out of aluminum.
>
> Most cans in America might be made that way, but not elsewhere.
> ('soda' and beer cans being an exception).
>

He's full of it. Food cans are steel.

Cindy Hamilton

[notbob]

On 2017-01-06, Jeßus <j...@j.org> wrote:

> Aluminium has it's own toxicity issues. But then so too does BPA.

Quite the understatement. Many believe BPA is responsible for all the
on-the-rise cancers (breast, prostate, etc) we've been seeing. Eden
Foods got Ball cans to provide non-BPA lined cans. It took some time,
as most of today's cans are indeed BPA lined, as are most of today's
thermal printed receipts. ;)

nb

[bruce2...@gmail.com]

Jeßus wrote:
>
> Then again, I'm partial to baked beans, although the good
brands
> tend to cost more than a dollar.

I don't mind the canned stuff either, like Ravioli or Chili, Tamales, which is Hormel brand, I guess. Its quick at lunch with corn chips.

[Brooklyn1]

Many of the individual serving size food cans are now of aluminum. All
the cat food cans I buy are aluminum. I think in the future many more
food cans will be aluminum, in hopes that more people will recycle as
I've read that it costs half as much to reclaim aluminum as it does
steel. SPAM cans have been aluminum for a long time now. Coffee cans
are being made of plastic now... plastic is easily reclaimable, most
is converted to cold weather fabrics (Polar Tec fleece) and wicking
fabrics for sports clothing.
Learn here:
http://www.cancentral.com/

[Cindy Hamilton]

Clearly, you're more knowledgeable than I am. Pretty much the only
food I buy in cans are tomatoes and corn.

Cindy Hamilton

[Nancy2]

That taste could be because of the acid in tomatoes. Try adding a little salt,
and see if that makes a difference.

N.

[Brooklyn1]

Nancy2 wrote:
>
>That taste could be because of the acid in tomatoes. Try adding a little salt,
>and see if that makes a difference.

I use a lot of canned tomatoes and have never noticed any lingering
after taste... often people on particular medications will have their
taste affected.

[Jeßus]

Yep. A lot of hormonal problems using BPA too, it mimics estrogens for
example (is this why so many younger guys are so effeminate these
days? ;).

Many of my food containers are glass with BPA free plastic lids, the
downside being the plastic is more brittle.

Plastics in general are a *major* issue in so many ways, but it is
*so* ubiquitous and indispensable that everyone plays ostrich, nobody
wants to confront the problem.

[cshenk]

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> >
> > On 1/6/2017 7:28 AM, bruce2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > What is that pungent after-taste that stays with you once you
> > > prepare and have a can of spaghetti or ravioli?
> > >
> >

> > Don't remember. It has been over 50 years since I had a taste of
> > that horrid stuff. Make pasta with a jarred sauce if you want easy
> > and acceptable taste.
>
> I haven't eaten canned spaghetti in about 40 years. I did eat it
> occasionally in my early twenties though when I just wanted a quick
> filler and didn't worry about taste. I do remember though that it's
> better eaten cold right out of the can. If you heat it up, it gets too
> soupy (watery).
>
> Canned ravioli, I'll buy on sale sometimes when hurricane season is
> approaching. Just for backup food that needs no refrigeration or even
> heat to eat.
>
> I've never noticed any "pungent after-taste" though. You either like
> the canned stuff or you don't.

>
> IMO, canned meals are good for emergency situations (like no power). I

> rarely buy any canned meals these days except for that.

Well, Hampton Roads is petty much snowed in as you know (others may or
may not know).

It was utterly INSANE at Harris Teeters on Thursday. I went because of
the super double coupons to 2$ (and expected the crazy folks to wait
until Friday to get stupid with 5gallons of milk for a 3 day event).

Instead I got one of the last 3 carts and after that, folks were
waiting in the parking lot for people to come out with one.

It was fairly hilarous watching folks stock up as if it would be a
month before the stores would be open.

--

[cshenk]

cshenk wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Sorry, typod the subject.

Meantime I have 2 things cooking and watching the clock to start bread
when the oven will be free to bake it.

Oven: Eye of round, about 1.5lbs bought 6July and vacuum sealed.
Defrosted in the fridge Thursday. I got playful/creative with this one
and when shopping, I was concentrating on sales and the super double up
to 2$ coupons so forgot I was low on somce basics like potatoes and
carrots. Oh well!
- Added about 1/2c water and some beef bullion then a chopped onion and
4-5 stoplight-mini-peppers (mild). Then wedge cut my last 3 potatoes
and added a small can of mushrooms with the water.
- Spicing was some of the last Pensey's fajita seasoning and some of
our new company 'Savory Spice', then a TB or so of Maille seed mustard
and a topping of roasted dry garlic (about 1/2 ts?) then a taste test
and last of a jar of roasted red pepper (4TB?).
- 325F for one hour then Don (who normally makes this but is feeling
the weather today) had me add about 1/2 cup water then take down to
275F. It needs something like 2.5-3 hours total (note the low heat).
It should be ready roughly 4:30 local time.

Stovetop: Tomato sauce, deep flavored sort. Starts with 2 cans of
28-32oz (This time 1 crushed, 1 sauce). Add 1/2 a medium onions
minced, 1/4 c blended italian seasoning (near last of the Pensey's),
granulated garlic (about 1/2 TB) and roasted garlic (about 3/4 ts).
- Simmering on lowest setting on a gas range with a diffuser under it.

THe sauce will be used in many ways over the next 2-4 weeks, some
reduced to pizza sauce.

More cooking in a bit, have to check what's going

--

[Dave Smith]

Sometimes is is amusing enough to see what people in that area and south
think of as being snowed in, so I had to check it out. It turns out
that they got 5-8". That would not be enough to shut us down but it is
a heck of a lot more than it usually takes to wreak havoc there.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/7/2017 3:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> Sometimes is is amusing enough to see what people in that area and south
> think of as being snowed in, so I had to check it out. It turns out
> that they got 5-8". That would not be enough to shut us down but it is
> a heck of a lot more than it usually takes to wreak havoc there.
>
>

When we had a plant in North Carolina, they would close with an inch or
two of snow. they did not have the equipment to handle it or the
practice to drive in it.

Here in CT, if I can get out of my driveway, I can get anywhere. they
do an excellent job with the roads. Equipment and experience road crews
make a difference.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

We've already got about six inches on the ground from the other night
and tonight we have a severe storm warning - everything is deadly
still and I guess it's coming! I have a condo and park underground,
so I'm alright jack, but my sympathies to those who don't !

[Dave Smith]

Plows and sanders are not cheaper to run. Unless you have enough to
cover the whole town or city they aren't much use. If you only need them
once every few years it might be cheaper for all concerned to just shut
down for a day or two.

[cshenk]

Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Yup, key knowledge point is they do not sell snow tires here and only
the interstates get treated. They lack gear to clear the rest. In 2
days, they will start trying to salt and sand the major other roads.
They will not get to any side roads.

It's still snowing BTW. Might not be a blizzard right now but it's
pretty thick.

--

[Dave Smith]

Snow tires are not an essential. All season radials with lots of tread
left are as good as most snow tires. Up here they salt the roads at the
beginning of a storm and that helps to create the "brine sandwich" that
stops the snow from sticking to the road. When you get wet snow near the
freezing point it tends to pack down quickly making it especially
slippery. Plows will ride on top of it instead of pushing it off the
road. Snow tires don't help in that stuff.

>
> It's still snowing BTW. Might not be a blizzard right now but it's
> pretty thick.

That could make things treacherous for a while.

[U.S. Janet B.]

The National Guard is out helping my city and county plow to get snow
away from the drains in hope of preventing floods from the upcoming
rain at the beginning of the week. I'm amazed at how hysterical the
Weather Channel gets when North Carolina gets a couple of inches of
snow. Endless video of a couple of inches on the ground. But then,
anything west of the Mississippi doesn't exist for the Weather
Channel. They refer to us as "that part of the world."
Janet US

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/7/2017 4:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> Plows and sanders are not cheap to run. Unless you have enough to

> cover the whole town or city they aren't much use. If you only need them
> once every few years it might be cheaper for all concerned to just shut
> down for a day or two.
>
>

Few years back one town in the south had a guy in the back of a truck
spreading sand with a shovel. It was the first feeze in a dozen or so
yrars so no reason to have sanders.

[Dave Smith]

That is the way it used to be done. I worked in highway maintenance back
in the 70s and some of the old guys on our crew got their start
shoveling sand and salt by hand.

[cshenk]

Yes. I think we finished out here at 11 inches in my area. Susan up
by Newtown rd said 12. Others are 8 or so mostly. Now the temp is
dropping to single digits but looks like Tuesday will be warmer than
expected so might get late arrival work that day?

--

[Brooklyn1]

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 16:37:02 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

Same here, the Highway Department does an exccellent job of plowing
and salting/sanding the roads, they have huge equiptment. With my
tractor with the plow atached I can always get out.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <1e8zmjpr...@sqwertz.com>, Sqwertz

<swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:

> Chef Boyardee prices are actually dropping. They used to be about
> $1.20/can and now they're down to $.85/$.90, sometimes less on sale.
> Store brand is $.75.
>
> Just like most fast food, I sometimes eat them for sustenance - not
> for flavor. I will always eat something else if it's readily
> available.

Sometimes I just want Chef Boyardee. I like all their tomato based
stuff with soda crackers or toast and milk. A more civilized man might
add a salad. I'm not civilized. My wife won't touch the stuff.

leo

[Bruce]

And an adult man might replace the milk.

[Nancy2]

I always had studded snow tires when I was commuting (Iowa), and they are terrific.
In my own experience, new radials are not as useful as snow tires. Many people
who can't get up our hills in town, or are sliding all over, hear "radials" and think
any age radials will do. Nope, won't work.

We have many students here from other countries (and parts of this one) who have
never driven on snow and ice until they get their first taste of winter here. It is
pretty amusing to watch their antics...but one has to be a very good defensive driver
and be very watchful in traffic. ;-))

N.

[Alan Holbrook]

"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in news:W7OdnZUcufkUoOzFnZ2dnUU7-
K_N...@giganews.com:

>
>
> It was utterly INSANE at Harris Teeters on Thursday. I went because of
> the super double coupons to 2$ (and expected the crazy folks to wait
> until Friday to get stupid with 5gallons of milk for a 3 day event).
>
> Instead I got one of the last 3 carts and after that, folks were
> waiting in the parking lot for people to come out with one.
>
> It was fairly hilarous watching folks stock up as if it would be a
> month before the stores would be open.
>

Cashiers at my main supermarket call the day before a snowstorm the French
Toast Panic, because everyone comes in for milk, bread, and eggs.

[Gary]

Brooklyn1 wrote:

>
> >bruce2bowser wrote:
> >> What is that pungent after-taste that stays with you once you prepare and
> >> have a can of spaghetti or ravioli?
>

> Chemically that's known as TIAD.

lol OK, that one made me laugh for real. :-D

[Cindy Hamilton]

Why? It seems like a nostalgia meal to me. Milk is entirely
appropriate under those circumstances.

I only recently stopped drinking milk on Thanksgiving.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 5:16:46 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-01-07 5:00 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> >> >>> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> >>>
> >> On 2017-01-07 2:12 PM, cshenk wrote:

> >>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>>
> avoc there.
> >
> > Yup, key knowledge point is they do not sell snow tires here and only
> > the interstates get treated. They lack gear to clear the rest. In 2
> > days, they will start trying to salt and sand the major other roads.
> > They will not get to any side roads.
>
> Snow tires are not an essential. All season radials with lots of tread
> left are as good as most snow tires. Up here they salt the roads at the
> beginning of a storm and that helps to create the "brine sandwich" that
> stops the snow from sticking to the road. When you get wet snow near the
> freezing point it tends to pack down quickly making it especially
> slippery. Plows will ride on top of it instead of pushing it off the
> road. Snow tires don't help in that stuff.

I haven't had snow tires in about three decades. Studded tires are
legal in Michigan, but apparently the specific tires have to be approved,
and no manufacture has sought approval, so they're essentially nonexistent.

Our roads are typically salted before a snowstorm, too. We often salt
the driveway before it snows.

Cindy Hamilton

[lucreti...@fl.it]

We have too many hills here to risk not having snows on - when I moved
to town I wasn't going to bother with my then new car, first winter
out I found the all seasons totally inadequate, even if I stuck to bus
routes which get cleared first. I had thought if it snowed, I'd stay
home but that also didn't allow for being out already when it started.

[Dave Smith]

In Ontario, studded tires are allowed only in a few of the northern
regions, and can only be used between October and April. They are banned
in the southern because they do too much damage to the roads.

> Our roads are typically salted before a snowstorm, too. We often salt
> the driveway before it snows.

If the salt it not applied early there is no point in doing it. Once
the snow settles and gets packed down the plows will just ride up and
over the icy compact stuff and rather than scraping it off. Once the
roads have bee salted the rest of the work is done with sand and plays.
Sand provides traction, but there is some salt mixed with the sand to
stop it from freezing into big chunks.

[Dave Smith]

On 2017-01-08 8:53 AM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 05:10:45 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

> We have too many hills here to risk not having snows on - when I moved
> to town I wasn't going to bother with my then new car, first winter
> out I found the all seasons totally inadequate, even if I stuck to bus
> routes which get cleared first. I had thought if it snowed, I'd stay
> home but that also didn't allow for being out already when it started.

One of my wife's friends came by to visit the other day. I was walking
by her car and noticed that a couple of her tires were not only very
cheap and not all season, but they were worn way past the wear bars.
They were bad enough that if the car had to go through a safety check it
would fail. She is going to the tire shop on Tuesday. I recommended a
reliable one near her house where she will not get gouged.

[Brooklyn1]

On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 22:14:50 -0600, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>They have pop tops so you can just grab a spoon and go to town (store
>brand doesn't have pop tops). 4 out of 5 times I don't even bother
>heating them up (like I said, mostly for sustenance). What was really
>bad was their new-ish Chicken Alfredo. Maybe it tastes better when
>heated, but definitely no good at room temp. Spaghetti and meatballs
>and chili/cheesy mac or whatever are the best for eating out of the
>can. Ravioli is better heated up.
>
>-sw

Were I wanting to eat something cold from the tin it would never be
any Boyardee tasteless sludge and its clones (that's tasteless both
literally and figuratively), what kinda phreak eats that garbage, a
tin of vienna sausauge is classier.
I'd rather one of those oval tins of sardines in tomato sauce...
excellent with some diced onion and a spritz of lemon with a stack of
saltines... gotta have some class! When really desperate I'd scoff a
tin of Campbell's condencsed Manhatten Clam Chowder, goes well with a
liter of Gallo dago red (chianti) but it's been a very long time.

[Brooklyn1]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 09:37:00 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2017-01-08 8:10 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 5:16:46 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Snow tires are not an essential. All season radials with lots of tread
>>> left are as good as most snow tires. Up here they salt the roads at the
>>> beginning of a storm and that helps to create the "brine sandwich" that
>>> stops the snow from sticking to the road. When you get wet snow near the
>>> freezing point it tends to pack down quickly making it especially
>>> slippery. Plows will ride on top of it instead of pushing it off the
>>> road. Snow tires don't help in that stuff.
>>
>> I haven't had snow tires in about three decades. Studded tires are
>> legal in Michigan, but apparently the specific tires have to be approved,
>> and no manufacture has sought approval, so they're essentially nonexistent.
>>
>
>
>In Ontario, studded tires are allowed only in a few of the northern
>regions, and can only be used between October and April. They are banned
>in the southern because they do too much damage to the roads.
>
>
>> Our roads are typically salted before a snowstorm, too. We often salt
>> the driveway before it snows.
>
>If the salt it not applied early there is no point in doing it. Once
>the snow settles and gets packed down the plows will just ride up and
>over the icy compact stuff and rather than scraping it off.

Your highway department needs better snow removal equipment. Here the
plow trucks are behemouth 20 tonners loaded with a mix of sand and
salt.... no matter how heavy a snow and how cold our roads are always
cleaned of all snow. Those beasts plow my road hourly.

[Gary]

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Your highway department needs better snow removal equipment. Here the
> plow trucks are behemouth 20 tonners loaded with a mix of sand and
> salt.... no matter how heavy a snow and how cold our roads are always
> cleaned of all snow.

> Those beasts plow my road hourly.

No they don't.

[Gary]

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> When really desperate I'd scoff a

> tin of Campbell's condenced Manhatten Clam Chowder, goes well with a

> liter of Gallo dago red (chianti) but it's been a very long time.

lol. By the time you down a liter of red wine, *any food* will taste
good.

If you like the Manhatten Clam chower AND the New England clam
chowder... try combining them both and having pink clam chowder. I
tried that once and I really liked it. I used the Pregresso versions
though - they are better than the Campbell's, imo.

I ate 1/2 can New England clam chowder
then 1/2 of the Manhatten clam chowder
then combined both extra halves for the pink clam chowder
It was a win. :)

Most times though, I'll make homemade clear clam chowder. It 'Donald
Trumps' both of the other kinds. hehhe

[Bruce]

Adults don't eat baby food either.

[Dave Smith]

NY State has some huge plow contraptions that have an offset plow
trailer, but they don't do the road he lives on. Most plow trucks are
singe axle 5 ton trucks and there are some 6-7 ton trucks with dual
axles. They need to have a short wheel base in order to be able to
maneuver. Dual axle trucks do no turn as sharply as single axles, and
having a plow on the front makes it even harder.

[Brooklyn1]

Whenever there's a heavy snow they plow every hour. I live on a
county road that's a major school bus route for several districts so
they keep it clean. The county roads are kept far better than the
town roads. Other than school buses for about an hour twice a day my
road gets very little traffic, and during fall the over-loaded logging
trucks will occasionally sneak through in the wee morning hours...
which is how I got a new taller utility pole, those trucks were loaded
so high they'd rip apart the utility cables. It took three times
before the electric company believed me when I called and told them
about the logging trucks. The poles are all on the other side of the
road and the wire first goes to my pole, then to my house. The pole
that's on my property belongs to me, needs that pole as it's too long
a run from the road. The cable can't be buried as it crosses a creek.
I'm sure your plow trucks are like tonka toys compared with our
behmouths.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I bet there are some that do.

You write as if milk is not a tasty beverage, and a good source
of protein. I often drink milk if a meal is somewhat lacking
in protein, and if I eat something sweet between meals I usually
drink milk with it to mitigate the blood sugar crash.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:49:12 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 12:46:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 05:07:09 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 8:40:39 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:20:59 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
>> >> <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Sometimes I just want Chef Boyardee. I like all their tomato based
>> >> >stuff with soda crackers or toast and milk. A more civilized man might
>> >> >add a salad.
>> >>
>> >> And an adult man might replace the milk.
>> >
>> >Why? It seems like a nostalgia meal to me. Milk is entirely
>> >appropriate under those circumstances.
>> >
>> >I only recently stopped drinking milk on Thanksgiving.
>>
>> Adults don't eat baby food either.
>
>I bet there are some that do.
>
>You write as if milk is not a tasty beverage, and a good source
>of protein.

I don't think it's something an adult body needs, but each to their
own.

>I often drink milk if a meal is somewhat lacking
>in protein, and if I eat something sweet between meals I usually
>drink milk with it to mitigate the blood sugar crash.

I don't approach food that scientifically and I've never given any
thought to the concept of blood sugar crashes before :)

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:49:12 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 12:46:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Adults don't eat baby food either.
>
>I bet there are some that do.

Yep:

"Infantilists often wear nappies, may drink from a baby bottle and/or
be wet-nursed (sometimes simulated), crawl about the floor, have baby
baths, eat baby foods, play with baby toys, be spanked, and may
roleplay and regress to an infant-like state. There may also be some
crossover with other sexually paraphilic behaviour including masochism
(as they may enjoy being spanked and/or humiliated), transvestism (as
they may like to be dressed in baby clothes of the opposite sex, the
so-called “sissy baby” syndrome), urophilia (as they may enjoy
urinating in their nappies), coprophilia (as they may enjoy defecating
in their nappies), and lactophilia (as they may enjoy being breast
fed)."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-excess/201310/childs-play

[Cheri]

"Cindy Hamilton" <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8ebf1ae5-0a8f-458a...@googlegroups.com...

I've always eaten some of them, handy, portion controlled etc. I like the
applesauce, pears, etc.

Cheri

[Dave Smith]

On 2017-01-08 1:49 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 12:46:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

>> Adults don't eat baby food either.
>
> I bet there are some that do.
>
> You write as if milk is not a tasty beverage, and a good source
> of protein.

I can buy that it is a good source of protein, but it sure as heck is
not a tasty beverage for me. It is okay for cooking with, or to have on
cereal. I have some in my morning latte, but I cannot think of milk as a
beverage. If I were to look in the fridge for a cool and refreshing
beverage and there was no juice, water, soft drinks or beer, just milk,
there is nothing to drink.

[Bruce]

I know, but Sheldon doesn't represent mankind.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/8/2017 1:49 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> You write as if milk is not a tasty beverage, and a good source
> of protein. I often drink milk if a meal is somewhat lacking
> in protein, and if I eat something sweet between meals I usually
> drink milk with it to mitigate the blood sugar crash.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

In spite of the fact that I enjoy many dairy products, the last glass of
milk I drank was in the early 1960s. Once or twice a year I may have a
real milkshake, not fast food crap shake.

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 06:57:09 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

I was going to mention him, but didn't :)
He's more the sleazy, creepy old pervert kind of guy.

[Ophelia]

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message news:LSwcA.334299$oF2....@fx37.iad...

==============

LOL I am with you on that. I can't remember the last time I drank milk.



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[Bruce]

If he ever runs for president of the US, he'll win :)

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 07:17:57 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

I'd love to his inauguration address, especially after he's dosed up
on Crystal Palace :)

[Bruce]

On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 07:24:07 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.org> wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 07:17:57 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 07:07:51 +1100, Jeßus <j...@j.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 06:57:09 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>>

>>>>I know, but Sheldon doesn't represent mankind.
>>>
>>>I was going to mention him, but didn't :)
>>>He's more the sleazy, creepy old pervert kind of guy.
>>
>>If he ever runs for president of the US, he'll win :)
>
>I'd love to his inauguration address, especially after he's dosed up
>on Crystal Palace :)

lol Move over, Jeltsin.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 1:58:48 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:49:12 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 12:46:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 05:07:09 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 8:40:39 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:20:59 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> >> >> <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Sometimes I just want Chef Boyardee. I like all their tomato based
> >> >> >stuff with soda crackers or toast and milk. A more civilized man might
> >> >> >add a salad.
> >> >>
> >> >> And an adult man might replace the milk.
> >> >
> >> >Why? It seems like a nostalgia meal to me. Milk is entirely
> >> >appropriate under those circumstances.
> >> >
> >> >I only recently stopped drinking milk on Thanksgiving.
> >>
> >> Adults don't eat baby food either.
> >
> >I bet there are some that do.
> >
> >You write as if milk is not a tasty beverage, and a good source
> >of protein.
>
> I don't think it's something an adult body needs, but each to their
> own.

There are lots of things an adult body doesn't need, but are
nevertheless tasty and we eat them all the time.

> >I often drink milk if a meal is somewhat lacking
> >in protein, and if I eat something sweet between meals I usually
> >drink milk with it to mitigate the blood sugar crash.
>
> I don't approach food that scientifically and I've never given any
> thought to the concept of blood sugar crashes before :)

You might never have had one. I get them, for example, if it's
someone's birthday at work and there is cake. About 45 minutes
later I'm very sleepy. A little milk in such a circumstance would
slow my digestion of the sugar and keep my blood sugar more level.
Usually I just skip the cake, stand at the back of the crowd and
sing "Happy Birthday". The cake is rarely very good, so it's
not worth eating those calories.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Well, yes, I know about those people. But I'm sure there are other
people who just open a jar of baby food for a snack or something.
About 40 years ago there was some sort of berry-flavored baby food,
which I would occasionally buy a jar of because I liked the taste.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 13:14:52 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Absolutely.

>> >I often drink milk if a meal is somewhat lacking
>> >in protein, and if I eat something sweet between meals I usually
>> >drink milk with it to mitigate the blood sugar crash.
>>
>> I don't approach food that scientifically and I've never given any
>> thought to the concept of blood sugar crashes before :)
>
>You might never have had one. I get them, for example, if it's
>someone's birthday at work and there is cake. About 45 minutes
>later I'm very sleepy. A little milk in such a circumstance would
>slow my digestion of the sugar and keep my blood sugar more level.
>Usually I just skip the cake, stand at the back of the crowd and
>sing "Happy Birthday". The cake is rarely very good, so it's
>not worth eating those calories.

I always think that too. Unfortunately, I always think it afterwards.

[Roy]

I drink and use in cooking at least 4 litres of 3.25% M.F. milk per week
winter and summer. After a hot afternoon in summer it is especially refreshing.
Never had a problem with it other than the fat roll around my middle.
=====

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/8/2017 5:50 PM, Roy wrote:

>
> I drink and use in cooking at least 4 litres of 3.25% M.F. milk per week
> winter and summer. After a hot afternoon in summer it is especially refreshing.
> Never had a problem with it other than the fat roll around my middle.
> =====
>

Never thought of milk as being refreshing. Water is my choice

[Dave Smith]

You and I don't but lots of people. I have three brothers who always
drank a lot of milk and still do. One brother drinks at least a litre
of milk a day. I have not had a glass of milk in decades and a 4 litre
pack of milk usually lasts us at least two weeks. I usually end up
making some pudding to use it up before it expires.

[Bruce]

The last time I had pudding is probably as many decades ago as the

[cshenk]

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

This event, the 35 trucks in VB that we own, got augmented to 63. Some
distro salt and sand, others are ploughs. We have apparently 900 miles
of roads in VB. Thats over 100 per truck and at best, 1/2 are ploughs.

Sheldon is lying as normal, but he may get more road ploughing than we
do. Nature of the area.

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[cshenk]

Alan Holbrook wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in news:W7OdnZUcufkUoOzFnZ2dnUU7-
> K_N...@giganews.com:
>
> >
> >
> > It was utterly INSANE at Harris Teeters on Thursday. I went
> > because of the super double coupons to 2$ (and expected the crazy
> > folks to wait until Friday to get stupid with 5gallons of milk for
> > a 3 day event).
> >
> > Instead I got one of the last 3 carts and after that, folks were
> > waiting in the parking lot for people to come out with one.
> >
> > It was fairly hilarous watching folks stock up as if it would be a
> > month before the stores would be open.
> >
>
> Cashiers at my main supermarket call the day before a snowstorm the
> French Toast Panic, because everyone comes in for milk, bread, and
> eggs.

Grin, I can believe it!

--

[Bruce]

On Sun, 08 Jan 2017 20:37:45 -0600, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:

>Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> >
>> > Your highway department needs better snow removal equipment. Here
>> > the plow trucks are behemouth 20 tonners loaded with a mix of sand
>> > and salt.... no matter how heavy a snow and how cold our roads are
>> > always cleaned of all snow.
>>
>> > Those beasts plow my road hourly.
>>
>> No they don't.
>
>This event, the 35 trucks in VB that we own

Victoria Bitter, Visual Basic, Vlaams Blok?

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/8/2017 9:37 PM, cshenk wrote:

>
> This event, the 35 trucks in VB that we own, got augmented to 63. Some
> distro salt and sand, others are ploughs. We have apparently 900 miles
> of roads in VB. Thats over 100 per truck and at best, 1/2 are ploughs.

900 divided by 35 = 25.7
900 divided by 63 = 14.2

You should see a truck with good frequency. They should be able to do
at least 12 mph so every two hours or so.

[Doris Night]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:49:27 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2017-01-08 1:49 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 12:46:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> Adults don't eat baby food either.
>>
>> I bet there are some that do.
>>
>> You write as if milk is not a tasty beverage, and a good source
>> of protein.
>
>
>I can buy that it is a good source of protein, but it sure as heck is
>not a tasty beverage for me. It is okay for cooking with, or to have on
>cereal. I have some in my morning latte, but I cannot think of milk as a
>beverage. If I were to look in the fridge for a cool and refreshing
>beverage and there was no juice, water, soft drinks or beer, just milk,
>there is nothing to drink.

You and me both. In my case, my dislike (hatred?) of milk was my
mother's fault.

I have a very fuzzy early memory of myself at about 4 years old,
sitting at the kitchen table with a glass of milk in font of me, and
not being allowed to get up until I finished it. It was summer, and
the milk got rather warm in the meantime.

I'll eat pudding, ice cream, whipped cream etc, and use half&half in
my coffee, but to me, milk is not edible.

Doris

[Ophelia]

"Roy" wrote in message
news:326af55f-6279-4529...@googlegroups.com...

If you enjoy it ... it is all good:))



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[Gary]

My street is still a solid 2" block of ice this morning.
Wish I still had my old ice skates. hehheh

These nighttime teen temps killed my car battery. I thought it was good
but evidently not so good. I'll wait until Wednesday when the
weather will really warm up before I call the boss for a jump.

No one here has left anyway so even if he came today, he wouldn't
be able to park next to me for cables to reach.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

-16C here today but a lovely sunny day. Snow all cleared nicely since
yesterday morning - have to go out in a mo, think I`ll wear gloves
today :)

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> But I'm sure there are other
> people who just open a jar of baby food for a snack or something.

I'm definitely with you there, Cindy. Back in the 1970's, I would
buy a whole bag of baby food for surfing trips to Hatteras.
They were cheap, quick and good enough.

Just last month, I bought one. I saw a coupon in the newspaper for
a new baby food flavor.

Beech-Nut "Just mango, apple & avacado." (4.25oz baby food jar)

That sounded good to me so I bought it with the coupon. Loved the
taste. sometime, I'll recreate that using fresh produce.

And I saved the nifty jar too. Right now it contains some chopped
and dehydrated onions to use in some recipe someday. :)

[lucreti...@fl.it]

I use a baby food jar for shaking up the olive oil, lemon, vinegar etc
for salad dressing, just a nice size.

[notbob]

On 2017-01-09, lucreti...@fl.it <lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

>>My street is still a solid 2" block of ice this morning.
>>Wish I still had my old ice skates. hehheh

No need!

If you really have "2" inches of ice on the roads, ice skates are a
luxury. Last time I experience ice that thick on the roads, I could
go half a mile in combat boots while hanging onto a car's door-knob @
20 mph. ;).

nb

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 05:07:09 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, January 7, 2017 at 8:40:39 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sat, 07 Jan 2017 17:20:59 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> >> <leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>

> >> >In article <1e8zmjpr...@sqwertz.com>, Sqwertz
> >> ><swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Chef Boyardee prices are actually dropping. They used to be about
> >> >> $1.20/can and now they're down to $.85/$.90, sometimes less on sale.
> >> >> Store brand is $.75.
> >> >>
> >> >> Just like most fast food, I sometimes eat them for sustenance - not
> >> >> for flavor. I will always eat something else if it's readily
> >> >> available.

> >> >
> >> >Sometimes I just want Chef Boyardee. I like all their tomato based
> >> >stuff with soda crackers or toast and milk. A more civilized man might
> >> >add a salad.
> >>
> >> And an adult man might replace the milk.
> >
> >Why? It seems like a nostalgia meal to me. Milk is entirely
> >appropriate under those circumstances.
> >
> >I only recently stopped drinking milk on Thanksgiving.
>

> Adults don't eat baby food either.

I do and I also like the occasional glass of milk with a meal.

[Brooklyn1]

lucretiaborgia wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>>
>>These nighttime teen temps killed my car battery. I thought it was good
>>but evidently not so good. I'll wait until Wednesday when the
>>weather will really warm up before I call the boss for a jump.
>>No one here has left anyway so even if he came today, he wouldn't
>>be able to park next to me for cables to reach.

That's what you get for not going for a ten mile spin the previous day
when you have an old clunker battery and you know cold is coming. Why
bother your boss or anyone... get a small battery charger, it'll work
with a long extension cord, or there are some that store enough charge
to get you started and are totally portable, but then your old battery
will still need a trickle charge:
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_15?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=battery+charger+automotive&sprefix=battery+charger%2Caps%2C166&crid=32YZ9VJVJ2OVV
I bought a battery charger from Sears some 40 years ago, I think it
cost $39.99. It does 6V/12V, quick start, and trickle charge... saved
my butt several times. In very cold weather I'll give the battery an
over night trickle charge, next morning it could be -20ºF, the car
starts up like it's a brand new battery... a trickle charge will give
an old battery another year of life.

>-16C here today but a lovely sunny day. Snow all cleared nicely since
>yesterday morning - have to go out in a mo, think I`ll wear gloves
>today :)

Was -2ºF here at 6 AM, now a steamy 11ºF.
Actually a very mild winter here so far, hardly more than 6" of snow
(most already gone) and rather warm.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 9 Jan 2017 10:51:01 -0600, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>On Sun, 08 Jan 2017 20:37:45 -0600, cshenk wrote:
>
>> This event, the 35 trucks in VB that we own, got augmented to 63. Some
>> distro salt and sand, others are ploughs. We have apparently 900 miles
>> of roads in VB. Thats over 100 per truck and at best, 1/2 are ploughs.
>

>In Pittsburgh every truck was a salt truck, and maybe 1/2 of them also
>had plows. The plow on the front would clear most of the snow and
>then the salt shot out of spinners on the backsides of the trucks.
>Most often they were just salt and not plowing. The roads there were
>hilly, very uneven, and had lots of potholes so plowing was not easy
>and very not effective unless there was a lot of snow.
>
>The best sled riding was on the roads. I lived at the bottom of a
>181.5 yard steep road (just measured it). So when the salt truck came
>through we would all plaster the trucks with snowballs as retribution
>for ruining our sledding tracks. The drivers all enjoyed that.
>During a good snow you just wait an hour and the roads were sleddable
>again with a new 1-2" of snow covering the salt.
>
>-sw

we are not accustomed to real snow. Quite often it is melted off by 9
a.m. We have 16 plows for the city and county (many bedroom
communities in county). The National Guard helped with plowing this
weekend The city supplied Internet maps for the city storm drains so
you could locate the ones near you and clean out the gutters and
drains around you to help with any flooding. Drain cleaning is
necessary because we got about 18 inches of snow and now it is raining
with more snow promised for later today and this week.
Most of us out in the West are not accustomed to measurable snow
unless it is in the mountains. So, no need for plow type equipment.
Janet US

[Bruce]

All I can say is: each to their own. AKA: have my portion too.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2017 13:16:18 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

Fair enough, I'm not one of those people. I rarely buy pre-made foods
as a rule. Tinned baked beans is about as close as I get.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Hoy! I didn`t say that, our snow removal was excellently done and the
streets were great when I went out. Now after the car was parked for
three hours in the -19C it was bloody cold when I got back in.