OT: "How Free Is Your State?"

[GM]

How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…

[ Would be great to have similar for Canada ]

https://www.freedominthe50states.org/

“This study ranks the American states according to how their public
policies affect individual freedoms in the economic, social, and
personal spheres. Updating, expanding, and improving on the five
previous editions of Freedom in the 50 States, the 2021 edition
examines state and local government intervention across a wide
range of policy categories—from taxation to debt, from eminent
domain laws to occupational licensing, and from drug policy to
educational choice…”

313 – page PDF for you “deep thinkers”: https://cdn.freedominthe50states.org/download/2021/print-edition-2021.pdf

Ed, Joan, and Leo – you are lucky birds, you live in free states, e.g., FL is #2 (after #1 NH), TN is #4, NV #3

Cindy there in Michigan, you are a LUCKY gal at #7. Congrats, I’m sending you a dee - luxe edition of ‘The Compleat Works of Ayn Rand’ to savour during your upcoming retirement – in calfskin and gold leaf, natch!

Bryan + John, Mizzoo at #11, not too shabby

HANK! – are you in Arizona, then you are good at #9

Illanoy sucks at #37, but what else is new <shrug>

Michael in Ohio is doing a bit better at #31

Steve and Jill in the middle, TX at #21, SC at #28

Poor David in that Hawaiian Paradise, you are living behind “The Hula Curtain” at #49 – “so solly…!!!” :-(

Sheldon’s home state of NY is dead last at #50. But he is a rural dweller, so that is no doubt better freedom - wise

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[Ed Pawlowski]

Surprised that NH and VT differ so much in the same neighborhood. As
for FL. nice living in a state with no income tax. no car inspections,
few toll bridges. .

[Dave Smith]

This is NOT my frogger.
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This is NOT a post by Dave Smith

[Dave Smith]

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:55:08 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> Surprised that NH and VT differ so much in the same neighborhood. As
> for FL. nice living in a state with no income tax. no car inspections,
> few toll bridges. .
>

Ain't it though?!? No income tax here, car emissions testing was just
quashed and today was the last day, but no toll bridges here.

[Dave Smith]

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is NOT my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe
:)))))))))))

[bruce bowser]

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>
> [ Would be great to have similar for Canada ]

Is it easier for organized crime to thrive in these places?

[Dave Smith]

[GM]

Well, Graham *is* a "steal from the RICH!" socialist type, so...

;-D

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GM

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:

> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…

Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
prohibitions on smoking in public places.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 20:55:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>Surprised that NH and VT differ so much in the same neighborhood. As
>for FL. nice living in a state with no income tax. no car inspections,
>few toll bridges. .

Real nice, until the local Michael Trew drives into you because his
brakes aren't working.

[Dave Smith]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 04:59:22 +1100, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 20:55:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>>Surprised that NH and VT differ so much in the same neighborhood. As
>>for FL. nice living in a state with no income tax. no car inspections,
>>few toll bridges. .
>
>Real nice, until the local Michael Trew drives into you because his
>brakes aren't working.

Uhm, Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Dave Smith]

This is NOT my frogger.

[Dave Smith]

Yep. I like the idea of walking out of a building and not being assailed
by that wall of stench from people power smoking just outside the doors.
I think my freedom to breath fresh air should trump their right to make
it stink.

[Dave Smith]

[bruce bowser]

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 1:01:07 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2022-01-15 12:57 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
> >> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
> >
> > Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
> > prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>
> Yep. I like the idea of walking out of a building and not being assailed
> by that wall of stench from people power smoking just outside the doors.

Yet, you do like it indoors?

[GM]

I agree... and also I'm not real big on being able to marry one's cousin, lol...

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GM

[Dave Smith]

Are you saying that face of yours is NOT the product of inbreeding?

[Dave Smith]

Uhm, Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Dave Smith]

Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 10:07:25 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Lucretia Borgia]

Are you saying that people who have earned unnecessary amounts on the
backs of others should be allowed to go tax free??

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:57:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have also much liked the public condemnation of wearing perfumes (in
Canada) so that it is now safer for me to go about without fear of
migraines. No scents is good sense - was the slogan in Canada and it
worked.

[GM]

Define "unnecessary amounts".

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GM

[GM]

So in Canada I would not be allowed to splash on my usual 4711, Aqua - Velva aftershave, or
Florida Water, and then perambulate about upon the public way...???

Would I be chided - or even arrested - by The Royal Canadian Mounted Thought Police...???

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GM

[Ed Pawlowski]

Not even the cute one?

[GM]

Well, Ellie May Clampett and her cousin Jethrine *would* make a cute couple, lol...

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GM

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/15/2022 12:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 20:55:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
>> Surprised that NH and VT differ so much in the same neighborhood. As
>> for FL. nice living in a state with no income tax. no car inspections,
>> few toll bridges. .
>
> Real nice, until the local Michael Trew drives into you because his
> brakes aren't working.
>

Are inspections really about safety?
Clearly, mandatory inspections are no guarantee that unsafe vehicles
will stay off the road. Even if vehicle inspections worked perfectly,
they'd still only affect a tiny fraction of car crashes. Federal
investigators have found that mechanical component failures are
responsible for only 2 percent of accidents.

More here:
https://www.theamericanconsumer.org/2019/06/do-mandatory-vehicle-inspections-really-make-us-safer/

when researchers dig into the data, they consistently fail to find any
significant reduction in motor vehicle injuries or fatalities in states
that have mandatory inspections. In 2015, the Government Accountability
Office, Congress’s nonpartisan watchdog, found that the existing
research “has generally been unable to establish any causal
relationship” between inspection requirements and crash rates.

One thing’s for sure: Inspection mandates create artificial demand for
auto mechanics, giving unscrupulous shops the incentive to make up
nonexistent defects, accept bribes to pass unsafe vehicles, and perform
blazing-fast inspections that overlook potential hazards.

[Graham]

The Cato institute was started by some wealthy gits who thought just that.
"The Cato Institute is libertarian in its political philosophy, and
advocates a limited role for government in domestic and foreign affairs
as well as a strong protection of civil liberties. This includes support
for lowering or abolishing most taxes, opposition to the Federal Reserve
system, the privatization of numerous government agencies and programs
including Social Security, the Affordable Care Act and the United States
Postal Service, demilitarization of the police, along with adhering to a
non-interventionist foreign policy."

They are an embarrassment to normal conservatives but not to knuckle
draggers like Greg.

[GM]

So, Graham, my original preface in my initial post was:

"Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…"

I daresay you are on the "naught" end of the spectrum, then...???

O:-)

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GM

[Hank Rogers]

Yoose gettin into Popeye territory.

[Dave Smith]

It's right-wing logic: the more you can afford, the less you have to
pay.

[Dave Smith]

Would you also like a public condemnation of peanuts?

[GM]

;-)

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GM

[Dave Smith]

On 2022-01-15 2:47 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/15/2022 12:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> Real nice, until the local Michael Trew drives into you because his
>> brakes aren't working.
>>
> Are inspections really about safety?
> Clearly, mandatory inspections are no guarantee that unsafe vehicles
> will stay off the road. Even if vehicle inspections worked perfectly,
> they'd still only affect a tiny fraction of car crashes. Federal
> investigators have found that mechanical component failures are
> responsible for only 2 percent of accidents.

Up here we need safety standards certificate inspections only when a car
is transferred to a new owner. That makes sense because so many people
get rid of cars when they start to need repairs. When those inspections
became mandatory to transfer ownership a lot more cars when to the scrap
yard.

I suspect that it is less of an issue these days, sort of like emissions
testing. Cars are made so much better these days than they used to be
that they seldom fail. Garages became reluctant to do the emissions
testing. It cost a lot of money for the equipment and they didn't get
the repair business they had expected.

Then there is the annual commercial vehicle inspections. We certainly
noted a big difference in the condition of trucks when annual
inspections were mandated. We certainly noted an improvement in the
condition of trucks after the inspection program. I am not sure how
many crashes were caused by equipment problems compared to driver error.

There is a back story to the introduction of the inspection program.
The US had brought in inspection mandates. Since most of us are close to
the border and there is a lot of international truck traffic. We figured
that safety inspections sounded like a good idea, so we negotiated with
the US to develop an inspection program that would be recognized by all
US jurisdictions. Several thousand Canadian trucks heading to the US
would need annual inspections and it would be better for our economy if
the inspection and repair money was spent here than in the US.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:24:44 -0800 (PST), GM

Fortunes in the billions, nobody NEEDS that much

[bruce bowser]

The big cities and democrat-controlled places don't what to hear whether you are 'sure' of something or not. They create the research programs to make sure these equipment problems don't happen in their places.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:29:15 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:57:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>> >> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>> >
>> >Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
>> >prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>> I have also much liked the public condemnation of wearing perfumes (in
>> Canada) so that it is now safer for me to go about without fear of
>> migraines. No scents is good sense - was the slogan in Canada and it
>> worked.
>
>
>So in Canada I would not be allowed to splash on my usual 4711, Aqua - Velva aftershave, or
>Florida Water, and then perambulate about upon the public way...???

I wouldn't want to meet you in person! You do realise that those
scents are made from chemicals? Why do you want to breathe in
chemicals?

>
>Would I be chided - or even arrested - by The Royal Canadian Mounted Thought Police...???

Possibly might be fined in a hospital or similar place, hospital they
would likely refuse to do anything for you until you have showered.
Big signs saying No Perfumes. I don't think many people wear
perfumes anymore, we all understand the benefits now.

[Lucretia Borgia]

As I understand it, it is socially unacceptable to send your kid to
school with peanuts in the lunch box. However, they now know all the
anti peanuts for kids was a bad thing. If a child is indeed allergic
the best treatment is small doses of same to build immunity.

[Dave Smith]

You think too much from a Me-Me-Me perspective. Just because you get
headaches from perfumes doesn't mean the world stops using perfumes.

[GM]

You don't know that for a fact, socialists through the years abolished wealth, and
look how those regimes ended up...

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GM

[GM]

Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:29:15 -0800 (PST), GM
> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:57:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
> >> >> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
> >> >
> >> >Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
> >> >prohibitions on smoking in public places.
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Hamilton
> >> I have also much liked the public condemnation of wearing perfumes (in
> >> Canada) so that it is now safer for me to go about without fear of
> >> migraines. No scents is good sense - was the slogan in Canada and it
> >> worked.
> >
> >
> >So in Canada I would not be allowed to splash on my usual 4711, Aqua - Velva aftershave, or
> >Florida Water, and then perambulate about upon the public way...???
> I wouldn't want to meet you in person! You do realise that those
> scents are made from chemicals? Why do you want to breathe in
> chemicals?

Why, my land, folks tell me I smell just *great*... nice, clean, and sweet like my lovely
personality...!!!

;-D

> >Would I be chided - or even arrested - by The Royal Canadian Mounted Thought Police...???
> Possibly might be fined in a hospital or similar place, hospital they
> would likely refuse to do anything for you until you have showered.
> Big signs saying No Perfumes. I don't think many people wear
> perfumes anymore, we all understand the benefits now.

Earlier this year I was in hospital, and then in physical rehab, for a total of seven weeks, never saw
anything about "No Perfumes"... in fact, several of the nurses complimented me on my aftershave...

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GM

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On 1/15/2022 4:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> You think too much from a Me-Me-Me perspective. Just because you get
> headaches from perfumes doesn't mean the world stops using perfumes.
>

If it smells like fish eat all that you wish, but
if it smells like cologne leave it alone.

[Dave Smith]

On 2022-01-15 4:18 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:24:44 -0800 (PST), GM

>>> Are you saying that people who have earned unnecessary amounts on the
>>> backs of others should be allowed to go tax free??
>>
>>
>> Define "unnecessary amounts".
>
> Fortunes in the billions, nobody NEEDS that much

Of course not, but think of the politicians they can buy, the press they
can buy, the social media influencing they can finance.... all to protet
their billions.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On 1/15/2022 4:41 PM, GM wrote:
> Earlier this year I was in hospital, and then in physical rehab, for a total of seven weeks, never saw
> anything about "No Perfumes"... in fact, several of the nurses complimented me on my aftershave...
>

You can't put lipstick on a pig.

https://imgur.com/a/BbBLI

[Dave Smith]

They fund research that will show what they want it to show and they
will spend money on jackass programs that make it look like they are
doing something.

Example.... back in the early 90s we saw all kinds of ads from the
Insurance Bureau of Canada was determined that we should have a
graduated driver licensing system. They kept citing research from
countries that had graduated licensing that showed a big drop in
accidents among new drivers.

The province bought into their argument and introduced graduated
licensing. When they did that our provincial premier made a speech
appealing to insurance companies to reduce premiums for new drivers.
That appeal failed and the IBC responded with a claim that there was no
evidence that graduated licensing reduced accidents among new drivers.

[US Janet]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:22:15 -0400, Lucretia Borgia

I haven't seen that in my hospital. Years ago when in high school and
university when I worked as Nurse's Aide we were told not to wear
anything scented because we would be in close contact with patients
who could be sensitive to smell. The only time I did see the
perfume sign was when I was in the cancer treatment building.
Janet US

[Kelly O'Hara]

Money is how "they" keep score. The one with the most money wins.

Maybe Adolph Rupp described it best -
Winning was Mr. Rupp's passion. Someone once recited to him the famed
Grantland Rice line, "when the one Great Scorer comes to write against
your name, he marks not that you won or lost, but how you played the
game."

To this, Mr. Rupp answered:

"Well now, I just don't know about that. If winning isn't so important,
why do you keep score?"
<http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Coaches/Adolph_Rupp.html>

[Dave Smith]

Uhm, Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Dave Smith]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 07:13:03 +1100, Dave Smith

Uhm, Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Dave Smith]

Uhm, Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Dave Smith]

Can you go into more detail? I don't get it

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 15:06:18 -0700, US Janet <USJ...@jan6noplace.com>

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

Can you go into more detail? I don't get it

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 13:41:41 -0800 (PST), GM

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 13:35:42 -0800 (PST), GM

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:25:48 -0400, Lucretia Borgia

Can you go into more detail? I don't get it

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:22:15 -0400, Lucretia Borgia

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:15:26 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 2:01:29 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> GM wrote:

>> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>> >>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…

>> >> Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
>> >> prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>> >
>> >

>> > I agree... and also I'm not real big on being able to marry one's cousin, lol...
>> >
>> Yoose gettin into Popeye territory.
>
>
>;-)

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 14:01:22 -0600, Hank Rogers <Ha...@nospam.invalid>

wrote:

>GM wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>>>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>>> Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
>>> prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>>
>>
>> I agree... and also I'm not real big on being able to marry one's cousin, lol...
>>
>
>Yoose gettin into Popeye territory.
>

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:57:05 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 1:49:28 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
>> On 2022-01-15 12:17 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> > On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:41:30 -0800 (PST), GM
>> > <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >
>> >> bruce bowser wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>> >>>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>> >>>>

>> >>>> [ Would be great to have similar for Canada ]
>> >>> Is it easier for organized crime to thrive in these places?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well, Graham *is* a "steal from the RICH!" socialist type, so...
>> >>
>> >> ;-D
>> >
>> > Are you saying that people who have earned unnecessary amounts on the
>> > backs of others should be allowed to go tax free??

>> The Cato institute was started by some wealthy gits who thought just that.
>> "The Cato Institute is libertarian in its political philosophy, and
>> advocates a limited role for government in domestic and foreign affairs
>> as well as a strong protection of civil liberties. This includes support
>> for lowering or abolishing most taxes, opposition to the Federal Reserve
>> system, the privatization of numerous government agencies and programs
>> including Social Security, the Affordable Care Act and the United States
>> Postal Service, demilitarization of the police, along with adhering to a
>> non-interventionist foreign policy."
>>
>> They are an embarrassment to normal conservatives but not to knuckle
>> draggers like Greg.
>
>
>So, Graham, my original preface in my initial post was:

>
>"Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…"
>

>I daresay you are on the "naught" end of the spectrum, then...???
>
>O:-)

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:49:19 -0700, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2022-01-15 12:17 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:41:30 -0800 (PST), GM
>> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>>>>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>>>>>
>>>>> [ Would be great to have similar for Canada ]
>>>> Is it easier for organized crime to thrive in these places?
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, Graham *is* a "steal from the RICH!" socialist type, so...
>>>
>>> ;-D
>>
>> Are you saying that people who have earned unnecessary amounts on the
>> backs of others should be allowed to go tax free??
>
>The Cato institute was started by some wealthy gits who thought just that.
>"The Cato Institute is libertarian in its political philosophy, and
>advocates a limited role for government in domestic and foreign affairs
>as well as a strong protection of civil liberties. This includes support
>for lowering or abolishing most taxes, opposition to the Federal Reserve
>system, the privatization of numerous government agencies and programs
>including Social Security, the Affordable Care Act and the United States
>Postal Service, demilitarization of the police, along with adhering to a
>non-interventionist foreign policy."
>
>They are an embarrassment to normal conservatives but not to knuckle
>draggers like Greg.

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:47:15 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 1:40:45 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/15/2022 1:07 PM, GM wrote:

>> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>> >>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…

>> >> Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
>> >> prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>> >
>> >
>> > I agree... and also I'm not real big on being able to marry one's cousin, lol...
>> >

>> Not even the cute one?
>
>
>Well, Ellie May Clampett and her cousin Jethrine *would* make a cute couple, lol...

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:29:15 -0800 (PST), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:57:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>> >> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>> >
>> >Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
>> >prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>> >

>> >Cindy Hamilton
>> I have also much liked the public condemnation of wearing perfumes (in
>> Canada) so that it is now safer for me to go about without fear of
>> migraines. No scents is good sense - was the slogan in Canada and it
>> worked.
>
>
>So in Canada I would not be allowed to splash on my usual 4711, Aqua - Velva aftershave, or
>Florida Water, and then perambulate about upon the public way...???
>

>Would I be chided - or even arrested - by The Royal Canadian Mounted Thought Police...???

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 14:47:56 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 1/15/2022 12:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 20:55:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Surprised that NH and VT differ so much in the same neighborhood. As
>>> for FL. nice living in a state with no income tax. no car inspections,
>>> few toll bridges. .

>>
>> Real nice, until the local Michael Trew drives into you because his
>> brakes aren't working.
>>
>Are inspections really about safety?
>Clearly, mandatory inspections are no guarantee that unsafe vehicles
>will stay off the road. Even if vehicle inspections worked perfectly,
>they'd still only affect a tiny fraction of car crashes. Federal
>investigators have found that mechanical component failures are
>responsible for only 2 percent of accidents.
>

>More here:
>https://www.theamericanconsumer.org/2019/06/do-mandatory-vehicle-inspections-really-make-us-safer/
>
>when researchers dig into the data, they consistently fail to find any
>significant reduction in motor vehicle injuries or fatalities in states
>that have mandatory inspections. In 2015, the Government Accountability
>Office, Congress’s nonpartisan watchdog, found that the existing
>research “has generally been unable to establish any causal
>relationship” between inspection requirements and crash rates.
>
>One thing’s for sure: Inspection mandates create artificial demand for
>auto mechanics, giving unscrupulous shops the incentive to make up
>nonexistent defects, accept bribes to pass unsafe vehicles, and perform
>blazing-fast inspections that overlook potential hazards.

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 15:18:51 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:57:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
><angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>>
>>Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
>>prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I have also much liked the public condemnation of wearing perfumes (in
>Canada) so that it is now safer for me to go about without fear of
>migraines. No scents is good sense - was the slogan in Canada and it
>worked.

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 14:40:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

>On 1/15/2022 1:07 PM, GM wrote:

>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>>>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>>> Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
>>> prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>>
>>

>> I agree... and also I'm not real big on being able to marry one's cousin, lol...
>>
>
>Not even the cute one?

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:24:44 -0800 (PST), GM

<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>

>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:41:30 -0800 (PST), GM
>> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>
>> > bruce bowser wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>> >> > How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>> >> >

>> >> > [ Would be great to have similar for Canada ]
>> >> Is it easier for organized crime to thrive in these places?
>> >
>> >
>> >Well, Graham *is* a "steal from the RICH!" socialist type, so...
>> >
>> >;-D
>> Are you saying that people who have earned unnecessary amounts on the
>> backs of others should be allowed to go tax free??
>
>

>Define "unnecessary amounts".

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 15:17:14 -0400, Lucretia Borgia

<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

>On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:41:30 -0800 (PST), GM
><gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>>> > How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>>> >
>>> > [ Would be great to have similar for Canada ]
>>> Is it easier for organized crime to thrive in these places?
>>
>>
>>Well, Graham *is* a "steal from the RICH!" socialist type, so...
>>
>>;-D
>
>Are you saying that people who have earned unnecessary amounts on the
>backs of others should be allowed to go tax free??

[Hank Rogers]

Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:24:44 -0800 (PST), GM
> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:41:30 -0800 (PST), GM
>>> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>>>>>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [ Would be great to have similar for Canada ]
>>>>> Is it easier for organized crime to thrive in these places?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, Graham *is* a "steal from the RICH!" socialist type, so...
>>>>
>>>> ;-D
>>> Are you saying that people who have earned unnecessary amounts on the
>>> backs of others should be allowed to go tax free??
>>
>>

>> Define "unnecessary amounts".
>
> Fortunes in the billions, nobody NEEDS that much
>

The definition of unnecessary amounts are any amounts larger than
trump has.

I don't know why democrats still want to see his tax documents.
Hell, he was the fucking president, until the democrats stole the
damn election ... no way he'd cheat or lie. No american president
ever lied to us. Well, maybe a few told some white fibs, but no
REAL lies.

He's also our first president to bring smokin' hot east european
prostitutes to the white house, not drab old nags like Hillary
Clintoon.

And by god, all those american patriots that attempted to restore
him to the white house will be remembered by history as the
equivalents to the continental army of the 1770's. There will be
statues of guys wearing cow horns on their head in every town square.

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:09:12 -0600, Hank Rogers <Ha...@nospam.invalid>

This is NOT my frogger.

--
This is NOT a post by Dave Smith

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2022-01-15, GM <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree... and also I'm not real big on being able to marry one's cousin, lol...

What! European monarchies would not exist, and there would have only
been one Egyptian king.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2022-01-15, Lucretia Borgia <lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

> Possibly might be fined in a hospital or similar place, hospital they
> would likely refuse to do anything for you until you have showered.
> Big signs saying No Perfumes. I don't think many people wear
> perfumes anymore, we all understand the benefits now.

I hope that lilacs don't grow in Nova Scotia. Talk about a chemical
factory! Roses ain't much better. ;-)

[Hank Rogers]

Indeed. And Popeye would have never been allowed to fuck his aunt.
The entire jewish society in brooklyn would have collapsed.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:09:12 -0600, Hank Rogers <Ha...@nospam.invalid>

It's a relief to think I'll be dead before then!

[Lucretia Borgia]

On 15 Jan 2022 23:50:17 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

I learned a good lesson about chemicals making the perfumes of today
when a nice old fellow brought some hyacynth in full bloom to the
bridge club. I thought it would kill me, they soon perfumed the whole
room but it had no effect on me, natural perfumes are very different
to chemical perfumes.

--The common ingredients found in perfume are benzyl alcohol, acetone,
linalool, ethanol, ethyl acetate, benzaldehyde, camphor, formaldehyde,
methylene chloride and limonene. Synthetic musks and phthalates are
potentially hazardous compounds which are also used as perfume
ingredients.--

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:01:07 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> On 2022-01-15 12:57 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
> > prohibitions on smoking in public places.
> >

> Yep. I like the idea of walking out of a building and not being assailed
> by that wall of stench from people power smoking just outside the doors.
> I think my freedom to breath fresh air should trump their right to make
> it stink.
>
Where I worked there were outdoor designated smoking areas. Also, the
smoker had to be about 30 feet from any entrances.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 3:47:52 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> On 1/15/2022 4:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > You think too much from a Me-Me-Me perspective. Just because you get
> > headaches from perfumes doesn't mean the world stops using perfumes.
> >
> If it smells like fish eat all that you wish, but
> if it smells like cologne leave it alone.
>
Well, that little ditty sounded screwy, frog.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 3:54:16 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> On 1/15/2022 4:41 PM, GM wrote:
> >
> > Earlier this year I was in hospital, and then in physical rehab, for a total of seven weeks, never saw
> > anything about "No Perfumes"... in fact, several of the nurses complimented me on my aftershave...
> >
> You can't put lipstick on a pig.
>
> https://imgur.com/a/BbBLI
>
And froggy you can't help making an ass out of yourself.

[Hank Rogers]

You gotta stick around to see what he does next!

Maybe he'll have a same sex marriage with that north korean
dictator, and they'll both run in the 2024 election.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/14/2022 19:08, GM wrote:
>
> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>
> [ Would be great to have similar for Canada ]
>

> https://www.freedominthe50states.org/
>
> 313 – page PDF for you “deep thinkers”: https://cdn.freedominthe50states.org/download/2021/print-edition-2021.pdf
>
> Ed, Joan, and Leo – you are lucky birds, you live in free states, e..g., FL is #2 (after #1 NH), TN is #4, NV #3
>
> Cindy there in Michigan, you are a LUCKY gal at #7. Congrats, I’m sending you a dee - luxe edition of ‘The Compleat Works of Ayn Rand’ to savour during your upcoming retirement – in calfskin and gold leaf, natch!
>
> Bryan + John, Mizzoo at #11, not too shabby
>
> HANK! – are you in Arizona, then you are good at #9
>
> Illanoy sucks at #37, but what else is new<shrug>
>
> Michael in Ohio is doing a bit better at #31
>
> Steve and Jill in the middle, TX at #21, SC at #28
>
> Poor David in that Hawaiian Paradise, you are living behind “The Hula Curtain” at #49 – “so solly…!!!” :-(
>
> Sheldon’s home state of NY is dead last at #50. But he is a rural dweller, so that is no doubt better freedom - wise

I'm not at all surprised that Cali is right smack behind HI at #48. I am
surprised that HI ranked so poorly. NY isn't a shock either.

I am surprised that Ohio didn't do better. I really thought that PA
state at #17 right next door would have scored far worse than it did.
Part Ohio's "issue" is prison sentences... not an issue if you aren't a
"hooligan".

[Michael Trew]

On 1/14/2022 20:55, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 1/14/2022 7:08 PM, GM wrote:
>>
>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take
>> it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political
>> persuasion…
>>
>> [ Would be great to have similar for Canada ]
>>
>> https://www.freedominthe50states.org/
>>

>> “This study ranks the American states according to how their public
>> policies affect individual freedoms in the economic, social, and
>> personal spheres. Updating, expanding, and improving on the five
>> previous editions of Freedom in the 50 States, the 2021 edition
>> examines state and local government intervention across a wide
>> range of policy categories—from taxation to debt, from eminent
>> domain laws to occupational licensing, and from drug policy to
>> educational choice…”

>>
>> 313 – page PDF for you “deep thinkers”:
>> https://cdn.freedominthe50states.org/download/2021/print-edition-2021.pdf
>>
>> Ed, Joan, and Leo – you are lucky birds, you live in free states,

>> e.g., FL is #2 (after #1 NH), TN is #4, NV #3

>>
>> Cindy there in Michigan, you are a LUCKY gal at #7. Congrats, I’m
>> sending you a dee - luxe edition of ‘The Compleat Works of Ayn Rand’
>> to savour during your upcoming retirement – in calfskin and gold leaf,
>> natch!
>>
>> Bryan + John, Mizzoo at #11, not too shabby
>>
>> HANK! – are you in Arizona, then you are good at #9
>>
>> Illanoy sucks at #37, but what else is new <shrug>
>>
>> Michael in Ohio is doing a bit better at #31
>>
>> Steve and Jill in the middle, TX at #21, SC at #28
>>
>> Poor David in that Hawaiian Paradise, you are living behind “The Hula
>> Curtain” at #49 – “so solly…!!!” :-(
>>
>> Sheldon’s home state of NY is dead last at #50. But he is a rural
>> dweller, so that is no doubt better freedom - wise
>>

>> </>

>>
>>
> Surprised that NH and VT differ so much in the same neighborhood. As for
> FL. nice living in a state with no income tax. no car inspections, few
> toll bridges. .

Ohio is right up there with no car inspections. I admit that the taxes
are higher than they should be. It's masked by lower property values,
at least in my region.

I've heard before that NH is the free-est in the Union. I thought that
VT would have done better. I *really* like VT's policy that vehicles
older than 15 years old don't have a title, just a bill of sale.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/15/2022 14:47, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/15/2022 12:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 20:55:01 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Surprised that NH and VT differ so much in the same neighborhood. As
>>> for FL. nice living in a state with no income tax. no car inspections,
>>> few toll bridges. .
>>

>> Real nice, until the local Michael Trew drives into you because his
>> brakes aren't working.
>>
> Are inspections really about safety?
> Clearly, mandatory inspections are no guarantee that unsafe vehicles
> will stay off the road. Even if vehicle inspections worked perfectly,
> they'd still only affect a tiny fraction of car crashes. Federal
> investigators have found that mechanical component failures are
> responsible for only 2 percent of accidents.
>
> More here:
> https://www.theamericanconsumer.org/2019/06/do-mandatory-vehicle-inspections-really-make-us-safer/
>
>
> when researchers dig into the data, they consistently fail to find any
> significant reduction in motor vehicle injuries or fatalities in states
> that have mandatory inspections. In 2015, the Government Accountability
> Office, Congress’s nonpartisan watchdog, found that the existing
> research “has generally been unable to establish any causal
> relationship” between inspection requirements and crash rates.
>
> One thing’s for sure: Inspection mandates create artificial demand for
> auto mechanics, giving unscrupulous shops the incentive to make up
> nonexistent defects, accept bribes to pass unsafe vehicles, and perform
> blazing-fast inspections that overlook potential hazards.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Inspections are a money-racket.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/15/2022 14:18, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:57:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton

> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>>

>> Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
>> prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>>

>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> I have also much liked the public condemnation of wearing perfumes (in
> Canada) so that it is now safer for me to go about without fear of
> migraines. No scents is good sense - was the slogan in Canada and it
> worked.

I wish that was a thing here. Strong perfumes really affect my
allergies. I can't tolerate scented detergents, none the less fabric
fresheners and whatever else people add to them. "No perfume" is a
check box for future girlfriends, Lol.

[Michael Trew]

On 1/15/2022 13:07, GM wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>> Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
>> prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>

> I agree... and also I'm not real big on being able to marry one's cousin, lol...

Lol, I wonder why Maryland didn't do well, then? First cousin marriage
is allowed there. Despite the stereotype, it hasn't been allowed in
West Virginia for a hundred years.

There is minimal harm in first cousin marriage... "the stigma" was
instituted to prevent birth defects after multiple generations of
inbreeding, but the chance of birth defects increases from 2% (normal
not related couple) to 4% -- at most.

If we want to get factual, it's all a silly social stigma. I have no
interest in marrying my cousin, but if I found out that a future partner
was somehow related to me after the fact, I wouldn't get a divorce over
it.

[Dave Smith]

Low taxes doesn't mean "free". In the US, it means "retarded".

[Dave Smith]

They save lives. But you don't care about lives. You walk around
unvaccinated without a mask. You're a serial killer of old people.

[Dave Smith]

This is NOT my frogger.

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 20:47:13 -0500, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

>On 1/15/2022 14:18, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 09:57:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 7:08:58 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>>>> How Free Is Your State? Interesting study by the Cato Institute, take it FWIW – which may be naught or much, depending on your political persuasion…
>>>
>>> Some kinds of freedom aren't worth having. For example, I like the
>>> prohibitions on smoking in public places.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I have also much liked the public condemnation of wearing perfumes (in
>> Canada) so that it is now safer for me to go about without fear of
>> migraines. No scents is good sense - was the slogan in Canada and it
>> worked.
>
>I wish that was a thing here. Strong perfumes really affect my
>allergies.

Oh God, not another problem. Are there things you don't have a problem
with, apart from cars with no brakes?

[Dave Smith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 19:06:49 -0600, Hank Rogers <Ha...@nospam.invalid>

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is NOT my frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe
:)))))))))))

[Dave Smith]

Uhm, Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Dave Smith]

Uhm, Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Dave Smith]

Uhm, Dit is mijn kikker. Ghe Ghe Ghe.