The Glinting of the Copper

[John Kuthe]

https://i.postimg.cc/Hnx7N3mt/8-5-2020-The-Glinting-Of-The-Copper.jpg

:-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

[Hank Rogers]

Don't worry, it will look better as soon as it's covered in verdigris.

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 07:18:07 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
<johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>https://i.postimg.cc/Hnx7N3mt/8-5-2020-The-Glinting-Of-The-Copper.jpg

Curious to know what that is on the mains supply cable?

https://postimg.cc/FfNLtv30

[GM]

Some jokester could put that pic on Craigslist, saying, "FREE copper...come and GET it...!!!" at John's address...

--
Best
Greg

[Sqwertz]

It just to keep tension. One is just a steel cable at the top, and
the live wire hangs off of it with some slack so the so it doesn't
get stressed in the wind.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

Looks like he had ivy growing through his at one time. It also
looks like that was an added telephone line that is no longer
connected - not a power cable. The active or original phone line
goes up into the soffit. His power main is down on the left of your
circle.

-sw

[Alex]

I missed that.  The crappy AC line installation caught my eye.

[Sqwertz]

> I missed that.  The crappy AC line installation caught my eye.

Notice the birdshit *under* the soffit in 4 places. The two most
obvious skidmarks are from a bird hanging out on the defunct
telephone line. Another one was hanging out on the main fixture.
And another, somehow, on the A/C line.

-sw

[John Kuthe]

Sharp eye, there Squertz! That IS the old non connected anymore Southwestern Bell telephone wire, and the cable emerging from the soffit was an old satellite dish connection. And that's not ivy, that's some of the last remnants of a severe pernicious vine infestation I had parted out in 2016/2017.

John Kuthe...

[Sqwertz]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:47:06 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> Sharp eye, there Squertz!

What defective fonts are you people using that you can't tell a W
from a U?

-sw

[John Kuthe]

My A/C line connection was completely gone through and brought up to current code by my LICENSED electrician, so piss off!

John Kuthe...

[John Kuthe]

Well EXCUSE ME for not scrubbing clean all my external wiring for YOUR viewing pleasure. :-(

John Kuthe...

[Sqwertz]

> Well EXCUSE ME for not scrubbing clean all my external wiring for YOUR viewing pleasure. :-(

It's just an odd position and angle to have birdshit. Besides,
you're a target.

-sw

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:49:09 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

Only seems to be a short length of wire that's hanging off the steel
cable? Is it now disused perhaps? Anyway, I've never seen anything
like that before. Thanks.

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:54:52 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

>On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:49:09 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>

>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2020 04:47:17 +1000, Je?us wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 07:18:07 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>https://i.postimg.cc/Hnx7N3mt/8-5-2020-The-Glinting-Of-The-Copper.jpg
>>>
>>> Curious to know what that is on the mains supply cable?
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/FfNLtv30
>>
>> It just to keep tension. One is just a steel cable at the top, and
>> the live wire hangs off of it with some slack so the so it doesn't
>> get stressed in the wind.
>
>Looks like he had ivy growing through his at one time. It also
>looks like that was an added telephone line that is no longer
>connected - not a power cable. The active or original phone line
>goes up into the soffit. His power main is down on the left of your
>circle.

Yeah, so an old phone line... thanks again.

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 19:28:29 -0400, Alex <Xel...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:49:09 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>

>>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2020 04:47:17 +1000, Je?us wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 07:18:07 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>> <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/Hnx7N3mt/8-5-2020-The-Glinting-Of-The-Copper.jpg
>>>> Curious to know what that is on the mains supply cable?
>>>>
>>>> https://postimg.cc/FfNLtv30
>>> It just to keep tension. One is just a steel cable at the top, and
>>> the live wire hangs off of it with some slack so the so it doesn't
>>> get stressed in the wind.
>> Looks like he had ivy growing through his at one time. It also
>> looks like that was an added telephone line that is no longer
>> connected - not a power cable. The active or original phone line
>> goes up into the soffit. His power main is down on the left of your
>> circle.
>>
>> -sw
>
>I missed that.  The crappy AC line installation caught my eye.

I noticed that too. Could've been done a little better than that.

[Sqwertz]

The phone line is (was) wrapped around the tension wire. Seeing how
the tension wire isn't used anymore, I'd unscrew it from the house
and drag it over the poled and cut out off. Less visual pollution.
And less wire for the birds to hang out upon.

Many of the wires running between poles aren't even used anymore.
Vietnam, especially, is infamous for this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=vietnam+wires+hanging+from+telephone+poles

-sw

[Alex]

I'm sure it meets code.  The installation could have been much cleaner.

[Alex]

India isn't much better:

https://www.google.com/search?q=india+telephone+power+lines&safe=off&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&sxsrf=ALeKk00CcVFLjwdeu_E3c71MNP2pmusscQ:1596756177886&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwio75mm3IfrAhVkUd8KHZBdApIQ_AUoAXoECA8QAw&biw=1536&bih=657

[Gary]

Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > https://i.postimg.cc/Hnx7N3mt/8-5-2020-The-Glinting-Of-The-Copper.jpg
> >
> > :-)
>

> Don't worry, it will look better as soon as it's covered in verdigris.

Or maybe he'll climb up on a ladder once a year with a rag and
some copper polish to keep it nice and shiny.

[Alex]

Mowing his tiny lawn is a chore.  That would take him weeks if his
wobbliness doesn't do him in on a ladder.

[Gary]

Alex wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > Hank Rogers wrote:
> >> John Kuthe wrote:
> >>> https://i.postimg.cc/Hnx7N3mt/8-5-2020-The-Glinting-Of-The-Copper.jpg
> >>>
> >>> :-)
> >> Don't worry, it will look better as soon as it's covered in verdigris.
> > Or maybe he'll climb up on a ladder once a year with a rag and
> > some copper polish to keep it nice and shiny.
>

> Mowing his tiny lawn is a chore. That would take him weeks if his

> wobbliness doesn't do him in on a ladder.

Plus he'd probably put the ladder ON his gutter and bend it every
three feet or so.

[Alex]

Good point.

[Jeßus]

On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 11:50:09 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

In that pic, some cables are unused, but most of them are actually
data cables. When we had fibre installed in our home in Thailand, they
just strung along yet another cable hundreds of feet down our street
and into our house. It looks chaotic, but in fact it allows them to
get things done quicker and easier, because they're not weighed down
by too many rules and regs.

When we decided to get Internet in our home, it was 3PM in the
afternoon. 3 hours later, all set up, installed and working. 300Mbps,
Including wall mounting our TV with hundreds of channels, wifi, plus a
4G sim card for a phone. AUD$40 per month.

[Sqwertz]

for Internet we have one 1/2" cable running the length of our
neighborhood. It's micro-trenched into the pavement of the road and
sealed with a silicone compound. Several branches come off of that
for the side streets, and then off of that they branch into the curb
the same way and do a little micro-trenching of your yard to buy a 2
1/16" wires up to the side of the house.

Other than some lines on the side of the street near the curbs and
1/8" slits into the concrete curbs, you can't see anything for the
1,000+ homes. It sure as hell beats 1,000+ wires running overhead
for each individual house. We have No overhead wires for anything.

I like the rules and regulations. And it sure as hell makes
installations easier than running cables thousands of feet every
time somebody wants something hooked up.

-sw

[Cindy Hamilton]

Out here in the ex-urbs, the power lines run on poles overhead. I
imagine the phone lines used to, but they were buried before we bought
the house in 2000. Cable runs on the power poles. Our cable drop used
to be overhead, but we had Comcast bury the line from the pole to our
house. We're thinking of having the power line buried, too, since
it runs through some trees and the insulation is rubbing off where
it contacts the bark.

It would cost the electric utility billions to bury the power feeders,
and we'd all end up paying for it. I don't think they'll bury those in
my lifetime.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sheldon Martin]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 09:27:22 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

We only about a week ago switched from Cable TV to Dish... half the
price for double the channels and far better reception. All
transmitted via satellite, no wires other than the short wire from the
18" dish into the house... the dish is mounted on a short piece of
pipe (3') at the foundation Their remote has features we haven't
figured out yet. They connected four TVs at no extra charge, the
'box' at each TV is about the size of a pack of cigarettes, but has no
clock so for $13 I bought a very nice small self setting Sharp alarm
clock... the other three TVs are in rooms with a wall clock. We've
been told that the internet will arrive the same way shortly.

This is a great little no fuss clock, just set it to your time zone
and plug it in... comes with a back up battery included... set at the
low setting the 1" numbers are plenty bright enough. There's a clock
on my computer screen on the lower tool bar but the numbers are super
tiny:
https://www.amazon.com/SHARP-SPC467A-Alarm-with-AccuSet/dp/B07P83K2LM/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=12UC9HNTMVMOC&dchild=1&keywords=sharp+alarm+clock+large+display&qid=1597336167&sprefix=sharp+alarm+clock%2Cspecialty-aps-sns%2C194&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzUUZZWFg0R09LUlZUJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzQxMDExMVhMVk00QkIxUkwxVyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjAyNDcxM1JaTjM4WERaWE1MJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

[Sheldon Martin]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:48:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 10:27:26 AM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:

Our electric/phone -land- lines are on utility poles too. But now our
TV needs no cable, think that four letter word, DISH. Very soon the
internet here will be DISH as well.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I'm trying to talk my husband into dropping our cable TV and just streaming.
It's a tough sell.

Cindy Hamilton

[Hank Rogers]

Yes, it's the finest clock in the universe Popeye. And dish is the
finest TV service in the galaxy.

Did yoose sign up for the porn channels Popeye?

[dsi1]

What is yoose? Stoopid?

https://www.amazon.com/SHARP-SPC467A-Alarm-with-AccuSet/dp/B07P83K2LM

[Dave Smith]

I am on a contract for a year with a great bundle deal. I am paying only
a little more for internet phone and satellite than I had previously
been paying just for satellite. When that deal ends I think I will be
dropping all but the basic channels and use streaming services. I
already signed up for Netflix.

[Cindy Hamilton]

We've had Netflix for quite a while, and we stream from that and from
Amazon Prime Video. I just can't get him off the cable lineup.

Maybe I should subscribe to Hulu or something out of my allowance and
try to get him to use that.

Something's gotta give when American Gods comes back. Comcast dropped
its channel from our package, so we're going to have to find some way
to stream it anyhow. Or wait until it comes out on DVD.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:14:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 2:53:06 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-08-13 1:40 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> >> Our electric/phone -land- lines are on utility poles too. But now our
>> >> TV needs no cable, think that four letter word, DISH. Very soon the
>> >> internet here will be DISH as well.
>> >
>> > I'm trying to talk my husband into dropping our cable TV and just streaming.
>> > It's a tough sell.
>>
>> I am on a contract for a year with a great bundle deal. I am paying only
>> a little more for internet phone and satellite than I had previously
>> been paying just for satellite. When that deal ends I think I will be
>> dropping all but the basic channels and use streaming services. I
>> already signed up for Netflix.
>
>We've had Netflix for quite a while, and we stream from that and from
>Amazon Prime Video. I just can't get him off the cable lineup.
>
>Maybe I should subscribe to Hulu or something out of my allowance and
>try to get him to use that.

allowance... shudder...

>Something's gotta give when American Gods comes back. Comcast dropped
>its channel from our package, so we're going to have to find some way
>to stream it anyhow. Or wait until it comes out on DVD.

I guess your computer knowledge is too old skool to solve this more
creatively.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 3:40:13 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:14:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 2:53:06 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2020-08-13 1:40 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Our electric/phone -land- lines are on utility poles too. But now our
> >> >> TV needs no cable, think that four letter word, DISH. Very soon the
> >> >> internet here will be DISH as well.
> >> >
> >> > I'm trying to talk my husband into dropping our cable TV and just streaming.
> >> > It's a tough sell.
> >>
> >> I am on a contract for a year with a great bundle deal. I am paying only
> >> a little more for internet phone and satellite than I had previously
> >> been paying just for satellite. When that deal ends I think I will be
> >> dropping all but the basic channels and use streaming services. I
> >> already signed up for Netflix.
> >
> >We've had Netflix for quite a while, and we stream from that and from
> >Amazon Prime Video. I just can't get him off the cable lineup.
> >
> >Maybe I should subscribe to Hulu or something out of my allowance and
> >try to get him to use that.
>
> allowance... shudder...

What? We each get some money to spend as we please. Because we're not
humorless droids, we refer to it as our "allowance".

Since I'm the primary breadwinner, I can call it anything I want.

>
> >Something's gotta give when American Gods comes back. Comcast dropped
> >its channel from our package, so we're going to have to find some way
> >to stream it anyhow. Or wait until it comes out on DVD.
>
> I guess your computer knowledge is too old skool to solve this more
> creatively.

By "creatively" do you mean "illegally"?

Cindy Hamilton

[Hank Rogers]

He doesn't know any better. He's not asian.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:49:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

Yeah, well... shudder...

>> >Something's gotta give when American Gods comes back. Comcast dropped
>> >its channel from our package, so we're going to have to find some way
>> >to stream it anyhow. Or wait until it comes out on DVD.
>>
>> I guess your computer knowledge is too old skool to solve this more
>> creatively.
>
>By "creatively" do you mean "illegally"?

A word like creatively can't be pinned down so narrowly.

[Hank Rogers]

He's been good to you. Forget it. If you miss an episode of the
bold and the beautiful, (or the gods) it won't kill you. After all
the the hoopla is over, you can buy shitloads of cheap dvds with
hundreds of episodes of that sorry crap for 19.99. Take the rest of
your life to watch the shit.

He'll be gone then, so no problem, right?

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 4:04:56 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 2:53:06 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2020-08-13 1:40 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 1:00:04 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Our electric/phone -land- lines are on utility poles too. But now our
> >>>> TV needs no cable, think that four letter word, DISH. Very soon the
> >>>> internet here will be DISH as well.
> >>>
> >>> I'm trying to talk my husband into dropping our cable TV and just streaming.
> >>> It's a tough sell.
> >>
> >> I am on a contract for a year with a great bundle deal. I am paying only
> >> a little more for internet phone and satellite than I had previously
> >> been paying just for satellite. When that deal ends I think I will be
> >> dropping all but the basic channels and use streaming services. I
> >> already signed up for Netflix.
> >
> > We've had Netflix for quite a while, and we stream from that and from
> > Amazon Prime Video. I just can't get him off the cable lineup.
> >
> > Maybe I should subscribe to Hulu or something out of my allowance and
> > try to get him to use that.
> >
> > Something's gotta give when American Gods comes back. Comcast dropped
> > its channel from our package, so we're going to have to find some way
> > to stream it anyhow. Or wait until it comes out on DVD.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> He's been good to you. Forget it.

Our friggin' cable bill is more than $200 per month (including Internet
access).

> If you miss an episode of the
> bold and the beautiful, (or the gods) it won't kill you. After all
> the the hoopla is over, you can buy shitloads of cheap dvds with
> hundreds of episodes of that sorry crap for 19.99. Take the rest of
> your life to watch the shit.
>
> He'll be gone then, so no problem, right?

He's more worried about Forged in Fire than The Bold and the Beautiful.
I'm not worried about either one.

That reminds me: we have a new episode of FiF on our DVR for tonight's
viewing enjoyment. Hope it's better than last week's.

Cindy Hamilton

[Sheldon Martin]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

There was no sell. Twice the channels at half the price of cable, and
much better reception. DISH is fantastic. We don't see that 18" dish
unless we look for it, it's some 3' above ground level on a metal
post. No wires other than a short wire coming indoors from the
dish... all comes via satalite. About every two hours the TV
reception stops and a message pops up to press any key to continue
watching TV... likely to keep the system from becoming clogged
unnessasarily. They also have special channel packages if you want
all sports or X-Rated. The basic channels serve us well, we get all
the regular shows and we like the animal, nature, and gardening
shows... we get about a half dozen cooking channels, some I find
boring. One of our favorites was Naked And Afraid.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-08-13 3:14 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Maybe I should subscribe to Hulu or something out of my allowance and
> try to get him to use that.
>
> Something's gotta give when American Gods comes back. Comcast dropped
> its channel from our package, so we're going to have to find some way
> to stream it anyhow. Or wait until it comes out on DVD.

I used to have Shaw Satellite and switch to Bell when I had a really
great offer to upgrade to high speed internet bundled with telephone and
satellite. The offerings are basic, better and best. I opted for best so
I get all their channels, but I often find there is nothing at all of
interest. I know there is a lot of good stuff to be streamed, and it is
cheap enough that I can subscribe to several for what I am paying beyond
the basic satellite.

Specialty channels are a waste of time. Food Network is way to many
reality show type contests, way too much Guy Fieri and little worth
watching. Close to 90% of the Comedy Network is Big Bang Theory reruns.

[Hank Rogers]

AMEN POPEYE!

yoose got da best TV west of da Loo!

What channels do the old mexican woman watch,

I remember when juarez used to have a channel. I lived in arizona
about 200 miles away.

Your old mexican woman was quite a star back then. Tits were tiny,
but boy she could screw them donkeys!

I suppose she's quite a shabby old whore now.

[Sqwertz]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:44:55 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> This is a great little no fuss clock, just set it to your time zone
> and plug it in... comes with a back up battery included... set at the
> low setting the 1" numbers are plenty bright enough. There's a clock
> on my computer screen on the lower tool bar but the numbers are super
> tiny:
> https://www.amazon.com/SHARP-SPC467A-Alarm-with-AccuSet/dp/B07P83K2LM/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=12UC9HNTMVMOC&dchild=1&keywords=sharp+alarm+clock+large+display&qid=1597336167&sprefix=sharp+alarm+clock%2Cspecialty-aps-sns%2C194&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzUUZZWFg0R09LUlZUJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzQxMDExMVhMVk00QkIxUkwxVyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjAyNDcxM1JaTjM4WERaWE1MJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

Typical White Trash alarm clock.

-sw

[Bruce]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:46:50 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

What do white trash need alarm clocks for?

[Sqwertz]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:14:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> We've had Netflix for quite a while, and we stream from that and from
> Amazon Prime Video. I just can't get him off the cable lineup.
>
> Maybe I should subscribe to Hulu or something out of my allowance and
> try to get him to use that.

I've tried all the online + live TV streaming services and I
generally hate them all. Mostly because of the lack of non-native
interfaces and full function remotes.

At least Pluto TV is free and it's integrated into the Vizio TV. So
all the controls on the remote work (generally).

But I generally hate the Vizio TV, too. I only have it because I
won it in a plasma donation raffle and needed to swap in my higher-
res TV as a computer monitor temporarily (that's since been replaced
with a dedicated 28" monitor). But I kinda got attached to the
Pluto TV feature. Otherwise, I'd still ecstatic throwing it off the
3 story roof and watching it shatter into a zillion pieces.

> Something's gotta give when American Gods comes back. Comcast dropped
> its channel from our package, so we're going to have to find some way
> to stream it anyhow. Or wait until it comes out on DVD.

Whatever series it is, assuming it's good, you can download it from
torrents within hours of its broadcast. I watch that stuff on my TV
with the native remote from the USB port on a thumb drive. I'm doing
season 3 of Ray Donovan (and then I have 3 more seasons to binge
on). While everybody waits for a new season, I'm watching brand new
episodes every night!

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:50:33 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> About every two hours the TV
> reception stops and a message pops up to press any key to continue
> watching TV... likely to keep the system from becoming clogged
> unnessasarily.

Uhh, it doesn't work that way. That's like turning off the AM/FM
radio to save the radio company some transmission costs and allow
them to serve more people.

> They also have special channel packages if you want
> all sports or X-Rated.

You should have gotten the X-Rated channels. You're just gonna blow
even more on the individual pay-per-view fees.

-sw

[Bruce]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:46:26 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:14:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> We've had Netflix for quite a while, and we stream from that and from
>> Amazon Prime Video. I just can't get him off the cable lineup.
>>
>> Maybe I should subscribe to Hulu or something out of my allowance and
>> try to get him to use that.
>
>I've tried all the online + live TV streaming services and I
>generally hate them all. Mostly because of the lack of non-native
>interfaces and full function remotes.
>
>At least Pluto TV is free and it's integrated into the Vizio TV. So
>all the controls on the remote work (generally).
>
>But I generally hate the Vizio TV, too. I only have it because I
>won it in a plasma donation raffle and needed to swap in my higher-
>res TV as a computer monitor temporarily (that's since been replaced
>with a dedicated 28" monitor). But I kinda got attached to the
>Pluto TV feature. Otherwise, I'd still ecstatic throwing it off the
>3 story roof and watching it shatter into a zillion pieces.
>
>> Something's gotta give when American Gods comes back. Comcast dropped
>> its channel from our package, so we're going to have to find some way
>> to stream it anyhow. Or wait until it comes out on DVD.
>
>Whatever series it is, assuming it's good, you can download it from
>torrents within hours of its broadcast.

I don't think there is torrent software for Unix.

[Cindy Hamilton]

We don't want a dish. But thanks.

I want to move into the future; my husband wants to stay with
the past.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> There was no sell. Twice the channels at half the price of cable, and
> much better reception. DISH is fantastic.

I've known 3 local people that switched from cable to Dish and
the same initial reaction like you have. So wonderful!

At first they raved about it.
Then they stopped talking about it.
Within 4 months or so, it sucked and they switched back
to cable.

Main complaint is that it wasn't reliable. Reception is
bad during stormy weather.

So I'm curious how you'll feel after a few months.

Does anyone else here on RFC have Dish TV?
Do you have problems with it?

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >I'm trying to talk my husband into dropping our cable TV and just streaming.
> > >It's a tough sell.
>

> I want to move into the future; my husband wants to stay with
> the past.

Perhaps a good solution is to go ahead and add the internet
streaming and keep the cable too. Have both for a few
months.

Let him (and you) see what streaming does for him before he gives
up the cable.

New things are always new but not necessarily better.
Sometimes the best way is, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

[Gary]

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> There was no sell. Twice the channels at half the price of cable, and
> much better reception. DISH is fantastic. We don't see that 18" dish
> unless we look for it, it's some 3' above ground level on a metal
> post. No wires other than a short wire coming indoors from the
> dish... all comes via satalite. About every two hours the TV
> reception stops and a message pops up to press any key to continue
> watching TV... likely to keep the system from becoming clogged
> unnessasarily.

It might be a 'fight piracy' issue of some fashion.
Never heard of that feature though. Sounds annoying.

> They also have special channel packages if you want
> all sports or X-Rated. The basic channels serve us well, we get all
> the regular shows and we like the animal, nature, and gardening
> shows... we get about a half dozen cooking channels, some I find
> boring. One of our favorites was Naked And Afraid.

I thought Naked and Afraid might be good but it's pretty much
a fail to me. The naked part is annoying. Women's boobies are
always blurred. You must like seeing men's butts. ;)
I realize that the concept was that you have no protection
on your body from the elements but simple bathing suits would
have worked just as well. Speedo's for men and bikini's for the
women.

I thought that the History Channel survival show, "Alone" might
be good but they always pick unstable people for contestants.
Many literally lose it mentally after so many days.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:19:39 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> There was no sell. Twice the channels at half the price of cable, and
>> much better reception. DISH is fantastic. We don't see that 18" dish
>> unless we look for it, it's some 3' above ground level on a metal
>> post. No wires other than a short wire coming indoors from the
>> dish... all comes via satalite. About every two hours the TV
>> reception stops and a message pops up to press any key to continue
>> watching TV... likely to keep the system from becoming clogged
>> unnessasarily.
>
>It might be a 'fight piracy' issue of some fashion.
>Never heard of that feature though. Sounds annoying.
>
>> They also have special channel packages if you want
>> all sports or X-Rated. The basic channels serve us well, we get all
>> the regular shows and we like the animal, nature, and gardening
>> shows... we get about a half dozen cooking channels, some I find
>> boring. One of our favorites was Naked And Afraid.
>
>I thought Naked and Afraid might be good but it's pretty much
>a fail to me. The naked part is annoying. Women's boobies are
>always blurred.

Yeah, let's make a program with naked people and then blur all the
"naked bits". The Land of the Free. Enjoy!

[Lucretia Borgia]

I cut the cable several years ago, greedy buggers made the basic
package cheapest but it was full of sports channels I never watched
and every so often, price went up.

So I cut that and stream either chromecast or firestick and have a
huge variety of what I want. I also recently downloaded on firestick,
Beast TV and that has A&E, news from CNN, ABC etc etc plus PBS, I
think some 170 channels all told. True it is C$15 per month but that
is peanuts compared to cable. Will check my usage of those channels
and if it's not worth $15 will cut it. What I do get on it is BBC
World News which cable charged me $10 a month for, so I figure I am
still well ahead.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I had DirecTv for about 8 years. Very good. Maybe twice a year for a
few minutes there was weather interference. Great picture and lots of
channels.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-08-14 7:18 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> There was no sell. Twice the channels at half the price of cable, and
>> much better reception. DISH is fantastic.
>
> I've known 3 local people that switched from cable to Dish and
> the same initial reaction like you have. So wonderful!
>
> At first they raved about it.
> Then they stopped talking about it.
> Within 4 months or so, it sucked and they switched back
> to cable.
>

That sounds a bit like Netflix. When you first get it there are all
sorts of things to watch. After a while you have seen everything worth
seeing. .... says me who just opened my own Netflix account.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 02:42:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

Hmm, you're sounding like Ophylia.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:46:50 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:

All the desk top digitals seem to have an alarm... I doubt I'll ever
use it, in fact I've no idea how it sounds. The last time I used an
alarm clock it was a small wind up travel alarm I used on liberty.

[Sheldon Martin]

The only cooking show I'll watch these days is Guy's Triple D, it's a
good travelogue and some of the female restaurant owners are HOT. I
like that the shows move along fast, each half hour episode features
3-4 locations. Many of the featured cooks produce very good food...
their burgers are home ground, no mystery meat.

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:19:39 -0400, Gary wrote:

> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> There was no sell. Twice the channels at half the price of cable, and
>> much better reception. DISH is fantastic. We don't see that 18" dish
>> unless we look for it, it's some 3' above ground level on a metal
>> post. No wires other than a short wire coming indoors from the
>> dish... all comes via satalite. About every two hours the TV
>> reception stops and a message pops up to press any key to continue
>> watching TV... likely to keep the system from becoming clogged
>> unnessasarily.
>
> It might be a 'fight piracy' issue of some fashion.
> Never heard of that feature though. Sounds annoying.

Streaming services do that to save bandwidth, "Are you Still
Watching?". But satellite doesn't work that way. All the channels
are being broadcast/beamed down at the same time regardless if
anybody is watching or not - same as broadcast/OTA TV and radio. No
less than 5,000 channels of live TV and radio are being picked up by
our skulls at any given moment, not to mention thousands of phone
conversations and text messages.

The only time that would matter is if you're doing On-Demand type
streaming, through the satellite system. In Pussy Katz's case, its
just a power-saver feature of some sort, probably in his TV rather
than in the satellite hardware. He didn't notice it before because
his cable box kept his TV alive - and satellite boxes connected VIA
HDMI generally don't do that.

He can have his wife turn off that feature since it's too technical
for him.

-sw

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 7:37:26 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 8/14/2020 7:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> >
> > Main complaint is that it wasn't reliable. Reception is
> > bad during stormy weather.
> >

> > Does anyone else here on RFC have Dish TV?
> > Do you have problems with it?
> >
> I had DirecTv for about 8 years. Very good. Maybe twice a year for a
> few minutes there was weather interference. Great picture and lots of
> channels.
>

I've still got DirecTV and have been thinking about switching to SlingTV and my only
complaint is the cost. But like Ed, maybe twice a year when the weather interfers is
when I lose a signal.

[Gary]

Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
> The only cooking show I'll watch these days is Guy's Triple D, it's a
> good travelogue and some of the female restaurant owners are HOT. I
> like that the shows move along fast, each half hour episode features
> 3-4 locations. Many of the featured cooks produce very good food...
> their burgers are home ground, no mystery meat.

He filmed an episode here near me several years ago.
Virginia Beach, "Beach Pub." It's only a 5 minute walk from
where I live and excellent food. A very popular local
restaurant.

I've waited and watch and watched for it but still haven't
seen the show that he did here yet.

[Dave Smith]

If only they could teach Guy some basic table manners. One might expect
that a trained chef would be able to use a fork properly and not have to
use his fingers to push food onto it, and then to have to hold one hand
under the fork to catch whatever falls off. Then there is the way he has
to unhinge his jaw like a snake to get huge bite. It grosses me out.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, August 14, 2020 at 12:18:30 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> If only they could teach Guy some basic table manners. One might expect
> that a trained chef would be able to use a fork properly and not have to
> use his fingers to push food onto it, and then to have to hold one hand
> under the fork to catch whatever falls off. Then there is the way he has
> to unhinge his jaw like a snake to get huge bite. It grosses me out.
>

How the man ever managed to get a cooking show on TV is a mystery to me.

[Taxed and Spent]

He caters to a specific audience. I have to give him credit for finding
and exploiting that nitch. He is a real showman in person, too.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I'll take your word for it.

[Taxed and Spent]

Oh, I am not part of that nitch, and I assisted at a charity event - I
didn't PAY for this sort of show. But with enough alcohol and the nitch
crowd, a good time was had by all.

Surprisingly, the nitch crowd were not all low lifes. So, his nitch
cuts a wide swath.

Whatever.

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 07:18:12 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

We have 'dish' Internet here. I think in 12 years, we've had 3 outages
due to bad weather.

[Jeßus]

I find any kind of paid format such as Netflix, or TV, boring, limited
and essentially a waste of money. Some obviously get value out of
it... good for them, but I don't understand it.

[graham]

In the little I've seen of him, he appears to celebrate gluttony!

[Dave Smith]

We have a much better version of it up here called You Gotta Eat Here.
The host, John Catucci is a comedian and also is part of a duet with
another Italian Canadian called the Doo Wops. He has reviewed
restaurants across Canada, the US and Italy. No bling, no retard style
backwards sunglasses, and.... he brings his own fork and knows how to
use it.

FWIW, I have eaten at a number of the restaurants he has done shows
about and every one of them was excellent.

[Sheldon Martin]

So far no outages with Dish... ocasionally we have to wait for an
update but takes less than 5 minutes, and at least it says Wait For
Update. With cable very often there was no service and they don't
answer their phones from 7 PM till 8 AM and no help on weekends...
cable works bankers hours... and they fake knowing anything. So far
Dish is a Zillion times better. So far I've had no outages, only
short updates and those take place in the wee hours.

[Cindy Hamilton]

What's your alternative?

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

So? Any individual is free to eat as much or little as he likes.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Have you ever seen the Great Canadian Food Show with Carlo Rota?
I used to watch that.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

Yes. It was on quite a while ago. I caught an episode of it about a two
months ago and realized how dated it was. Wow. Just checked. It was
from 2000.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Yeah, but Carlo Rota was (and is) hot.

Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

He is articulate and speaks well but I never thought of him as hot.
;-)

[Cindy Hamilton]

Well, you wouldn't. Part of his hotness is that he is articulate
and speaks well.

Cindy Hamilton

[Jeßus]

Well, going back before I had broadband Internet, books. Strictly all
non-fiction titles, apart from Hunter S. Thompson. I basically lost
interest in TV in my late teens. And VHS/DVDs.

Oh... one exception was I did record the Simpsons back then (when they
were still actually satirical and clever).

Once I had cable Internet in 2000, I downloaded video from Usenet
binary groups and IRC. Some of the IRC channels were very good back
then, people would share TV content merely minutes after it aired in
say, the U.S. I was and still am interested mostly in documentaries.
Later, bittorrent of course. And now, various other ways.

The idea of waiting/sitting down at a certain day/time to watch
something (usually with commercials) is quite simply a NO for me. I
can't do it.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I'm concerned that some of those might violate the intellectual property right
of the copyright holders. I wouldn't want it to happen to the software that
I write, so I practice the Golden Rule.

> The idea of waiting/sitting down at a certain day/time to watch
> something (usually with commercials) is quite simply a NO for me. I
> can't do it.

That's why I have a DVR.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

LOL

[S Viemeister]

On 16/08/2020 12:04, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 5:58:12 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>>> Once I had cable Internet in 2000, I downloaded video from Usenet
>>> binary groups and IRC. Some of the IRC channels were very good back
>>> then, people would share TV content merely minutes after it aired in
>>> say, the U.S. I was and still am interested mostly in documentaries.
>>> Later, bittorrent of course. And now, various other ways.
>>
>> I'm concerned that some of those might violate the intellectual property right
>> of the copyright holders. I wouldn't want it to happen to the software that
>> I write, so I practice the Golden Rule.
>
> LOL
>

I share Cindy's attitude.

[jmcquown]

Ditto!

Jill

[Bruce]

It's a formal, goodie two-shoes attitude that I can only applaud you
for. In reality, companies using Cindy's software don't want to do so
illegally. They'll want to be able to get support, updates, etc. All
the software I use for work is legal and paid for.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:21:59 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Clueless, but jumping on the bandwagon nevertheless.. Kinda touching
:)

[Hank Rogers]

Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:21:59 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/16/2020 9:14 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 16/08/2020 12:04, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

>>>>> On Saturday, August 15, 2020 at 5:58:12 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>> Once I had cable Internet in 2000, I downloaded video from Usenet
>>>>>> binary groups and IRC. Some of the IRC channels were very good back
>>>>>> then, people would share TV content merely minutes after it aired in
>>>>>> say, the U.S. I was and still am interested mostly in documentaries.
>>>>>> Later, bittorrent of course. And now, various other ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm concerned that some of those might violate the intellectual
>>>>> property right

>>>>> of the copyright holders.  I wouldn't want it to happen to the

>>>>> software that
>>>>> I write, so I practice the Golden Rule.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>> I share Cindy's attitude.
>>
>> Ditto!
>
> Clueless, but jumping on the bandwagon nevertheless.. Kinda touching
> :)
>

<*SNIFF*>

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 03:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

I'm not concerned at all.

Firstly, there is essentially nothing of interest to me that is
accessible from Australian media, so no copyright holder is losing
anything.

Secondly, in the cases where I really like something copyrighted and
wish to see/hear it multiple times , I'll buy it (usually CDs or DVDs
or occasionally downloadable)

Thirdly, a lot of the material I'm interested in these days can be
legally streamed for free - I just download it for later viewing and
delete it.

Fourthly, in the case of major media outlets, I honestly couldn't care
about them or their 'intellectual property'

Fifthly (?) your comparison with software copyright is a different
situation, IMO. It is designed for commercial use and requires
updates/support. It is not merely for education or entertainment
purposes.

>> The idea of waiting/sitting down at a certain day/time to watch
>> something (usually with commercials) is quite simply a NO for me. I
>> can't do it.
>
>That's why I have a DVR.

And what would I do with a DVR (which does the same thing as I do,
only with less convenience anyway)?