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GM
Mar 14, 2020, 9:59:19 AM3/14/20
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Is There Really a Toilet Paper Shortage?
The household staple has consistently been out of stock during the coronavirus outbreak. Manufacturers may not be willing to increase supplies.
By Michael Corkery and Sapna Maheshwari
March 13, 2020
"If there’s one image that captures the panic seeping through the United States this week, it might be the empty store shelves where toilet paper usually sits.
Shoppers, preparing for the possibility that the coronavirus could keep them quarantined for weeks or months, have been snapping up every roll they can find. The more images of stockpiling that emerged on social media, the more panicky buying that ensued. The result: The household staple has been consistently out of stock, whether at big box stores, at bodegas or on Amazon.
In an age of instant shopping gratification and same-day delivery, the idea that something so mundane could be unavailable seemed downright scary, and an ominous sign that a basic supply chain is under stress because of the pandemic.
But is there really a toilet paper shortage?
Major retailers say toilet paper hasn’t been out of stock in stores for more than a day or two, or even a few hours. Manufacturers, paper industry executives say, are raising production to meet demand, but there is only so much capacity that they can or are willing to add.
They want to satisfy panic buying without going overboard and creating a glut on the market when the surge subsides.
“You are just filling up your closet with it,” one manufacturer said of people buying toilet paper in bulk.Credit...Shawn Thew/EPA, via Shutterstock
Unlike some other products, toilet paper is not likely to be used more by Americans who are stricken with respiratory symptoms, even as the coronavirus spreads.
“You are not using more of it. You are just filling up your closet with it,” said Jeff Anderson, president of Precision Paper Converters, a paper product manufacturer with 65 employees outside Green Bay, Wis. “What happens in the summer when demand dries up and people have all this extra product in their homes?”
Mr. Anderson’s business focuses on facial tissues, which are also in high demand, and he is paying employees overtime to work longer shifts. “We can’t make as much as they want right now,” he said.
Perhaps more than in its recent past, the paper industry seems well positioned to meet the surging demand. After decades of declining sales, as newspapers and printed documents lost out in the digital age, many manufacturers converted to making tissue products, like toilet paper and wipes. That means there is more manufacturing capacity that can be brought online.
But toilet paper is typically made to order. Because it takes up so much room, storing large quantities is not profitable, so the industry typically has only a few months of inventory on hand.
“There is not some big underground warehouse like in ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark,’ where there is all this toilet paper sitting around in case it is needed,” said Dan Clarahan, president of United Converting, which sells manufacturing equipment to tissue companies.
In more normal times, toilet paper demand grows by only a few percentage points each year, mirroring population growth.
Asked about the shortages, many retailers would not commit to a specific timetable for when the shelves would be restocked, calling the situation “fluid.” A retail analyst, Burt Flickinger of Strategic Resource Group, said big box retailers like Costco and BJ’s Wholesale Club have been able to restock most empty shelves within a few hours, or by the next morning, according to his survey of hundreds of stores across the country this week.
But it’s clear that the retailers, even those with experience in dealing with crisis-related demand before a hurricane or a blizzard, are being tested as demand surges across the country all at once.
Walmart said it was adjusting its supply routes to keep up. The company is picking up many high-demand products at factories and shipping them in trucks directly to stores, bypassing regional distribution centers.
The frenzied buying was even acknowledged Friday in the Rose Garden, where President Trump stood next to the executives of major retailers including Walmart.
“Toilet paper is not an effective way to prevent getting the coronavirus, but they’re selling out,” the health secretary, Alex M. Azar II, said.
People have been sharing images of toilet paper shortages and other empty shelves at Giant Eagle, a private grocery chain that has more than 400 locations and is based in Pittsburgh.
The chain said it had been working to increase the frequency of deliveries of “essential items” to stores and asked corporate employees to assist in stores, where other employees are stocking shelves and fulfilling curbside pickup and delivery orders.
All Giant Eagles have begun to temporarily limit toilet paper purchases to three packages per customer, Dick Roberts, a company spokesman, said in an email.
The vast majority of toilet paper consumed by Americans is made in North America. But about 10 percent of the giant rolls of paper that are used to make the rolls that end up in American bathrooms come from China and India. Those imports have been delayed because of the broader bottleneck of shipments from Asia, as the region begins to recover from the virus outbreak and factories come back online.
Joe Raccuia, chief executive of Morcon Tissue, which makes toilet paper in plants across the United States, said his supplier in Mexico had warned him about delays.
“It’s a matter of weeks, not months,” said Mr. Raccuia, who sells his toilet paper mostly to hotels and restaurants.
It’s not just toilet paper that people are stockpiling, of course. Weeks ago, there were shortages of hand sanitizer. By Friday, the panic buying had extended to bottled water and thermometers.
Popular thermometers, like those sold under the Vicks brand, were listed as out of stock on the websites of retailers like Target, Walmart, CVS, Walgreens and Staples.
Even on Amazon, the options were grim. For example, a Vicks ComfortFlex thermometer that was listed for about $10 on Walmart’s website was being sold by two sellers on Amazon for at least $40, and could not be delivered for at least a week — a far cry from Amazon’s usual advantages on price and speed.
Amazon did not respond to a request for comment on Friday..."
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Is There Really a Toilet Paper Shortage?
The household staple has consistently been out of stock during the coronavirus outbreak. Manufacturers may not be willing to increase supplies.
By Michael Corkery and Sapna Maheshwari
March 13, 2020
"If there’s one image that captures the panic seeping through the United States this week, it might be the empty store shelves where toilet paper usually sits.
Shoppers, preparing for the possibility that the coronavirus could keep them quarantined for weeks or months, have been snapping up every roll they can find. The more images of stockpiling that emerged on social media, the more panicky buying that ensued. The result: The household staple has been consistently out of stock, whether at big box stores, at bodegas or on Amazon.
In an age of instant shopping gratification and same-day delivery, the idea that something so mundane could be unavailable seemed downright scary, and an ominous sign that a basic supply chain is under stress because of the pandemic.
But is there really a toilet paper shortage?
Major retailers say toilet paper hasn’t been out of stock in stores for more than a day or two, or even a few hours. Manufacturers, paper industry executives say, are raising production to meet demand, but there is only so much capacity that they can or are willing to add.
They want to satisfy panic buying without going overboard and creating a glut on the market when the surge subsides.
“You are just filling up your closet with it,” one manufacturer said of people buying toilet paper in bulk.Credit...Shawn Thew/EPA, via Shutterstock
Unlike some other products, toilet paper is not likely to be used more by Americans who are stricken with respiratory symptoms, even as the coronavirus spreads.
“You are not using more of it. You are just filling up your closet with it,” said Jeff Anderson, president of Precision Paper Converters, a paper product manufacturer with 65 employees outside Green Bay, Wis. “What happens in the summer when demand dries up and people have all this extra product in their homes?”
Mr. Anderson’s business focuses on facial tissues, which are also in high demand, and he is paying employees overtime to work longer shifts. “We can’t make as much as they want right now,” he said.
Perhaps more than in its recent past, the paper industry seems well positioned to meet the surging demand. After decades of declining sales, as newspapers and printed documents lost out in the digital age, many manufacturers converted to making tissue products, like toilet paper and wipes. That means there is more manufacturing capacity that can be brought online.
But toilet paper is typically made to order. Because it takes up so much room, storing large quantities is not profitable, so the industry typically has only a few months of inventory on hand.
“There is not some big underground warehouse like in ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark,’ where there is all this toilet paper sitting around in case it is needed,” said Dan Clarahan, president of United Converting, which sells manufacturing equipment to tissue companies.
In more normal times, toilet paper demand grows by only a few percentage points each year, mirroring population growth.
Asked about the shortages, many retailers would not commit to a specific timetable for when the shelves would be restocked, calling the situation “fluid.” A retail analyst, Burt Flickinger of Strategic Resource Group, said big box retailers like Costco and BJ’s Wholesale Club have been able to restock most empty shelves within a few hours, or by the next morning, according to his survey of hundreds of stores across the country this week.
But it’s clear that the retailers, even those with experience in dealing with crisis-related demand before a hurricane or a blizzard, are being tested as demand surges across the country all at once.
Walmart said it was adjusting its supply routes to keep up. The company is picking up many high-demand products at factories and shipping them in trucks directly to stores, bypassing regional distribution centers.
The frenzied buying was even acknowledged Friday in the Rose Garden, where President Trump stood next to the executives of major retailers including Walmart.
“Toilet paper is not an effective way to prevent getting the coronavirus, but they’re selling out,” the health secretary, Alex M. Azar II, said.
People have been sharing images of toilet paper shortages and other empty shelves at Giant Eagle, a private grocery chain that has more than 400 locations and is based in Pittsburgh.
The chain said it had been working to increase the frequency of deliveries of “essential items” to stores and asked corporate employees to assist in stores, where other employees are stocking shelves and fulfilling curbside pickup and delivery orders.
All Giant Eagles have begun to temporarily limit toilet paper purchases to three packages per customer, Dick Roberts, a company spokesman, said in an email.
The vast majority of toilet paper consumed by Americans is made in North America. But about 10 percent of the giant rolls of paper that are used to make the rolls that end up in American bathrooms come from China and India. Those imports have been delayed because of the broader bottleneck of shipments from Asia, as the region begins to recover from the virus outbreak and factories come back online.
Joe Raccuia, chief executive of Morcon Tissue, which makes toilet paper in plants across the United States, said his supplier in Mexico had warned him about delays.
“It’s a matter of weeks, not months,” said Mr. Raccuia, who sells his toilet paper mostly to hotels and restaurants.
It’s not just toilet paper that people are stockpiling, of course. Weeks ago, there were shortages of hand sanitizer. By Friday, the panic buying had extended to bottled water and thermometers.
Popular thermometers, like those sold under the Vicks brand, were listed as out of stock on the websites of retailers like Target, Walmart, CVS, Walgreens and Staples.
Even on Amazon, the options were grim. For example, a Vicks ComfortFlex thermometer that was listed for about $10 on Walmart’s website was being sold by two sellers on Amazon for at least $40, and could not be delivered for at least a week — a far cry from Amazon’s usual advantages on price and speed.
Amazon did not respond to a request for comment on Friday..."
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Julie Bove
Mar 16, 2020, 4:06:21 AM3/16/20
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Yes, but we are being told to stock up then stay home. There is no TP
available for sale online anywhere aside from the commercial stuff or on
Ebay for $5 and up a roll plus postage.
Ed Pawlowski
Mar 16, 2020, 10:11:53 AM3/16/20
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time. For $50 a roll I'd part with a couple of them though.
S Viemeister
Mar 16, 2020, 11:15:37 AM3/16/20
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month, but...anyway - he went to the supermarket (northern NJ) first
thing this morning, and there were NO fresh OR frozen vegetables, no
paper goods, no long life or fresh milk, no pasta, no eggs, no flour.
Ed Pawlowski
Mar 16, 2020, 11:48:30 AM3/16/20
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waiting to check out. The shelves look like the stories of the Soviet
Union in the 1950s.
Downright crazy and stupid
Sheldon
Mar 16, 2020, 12:06:54 PM3/16/20
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Tops Market, shelves were bare, nothing to buy. They said the trucks
haven't come in yet, they don't know when. It's good we stocked up
last week, but I will cut back on what fresh produce we have The only
items I asked her to buy were celery and bananas, none to be seen. I
can live without celery but I'm supposed to eat two bananas each day
for potassium, doctor's orders... I have eight bananas so will cut
back to one each day. I'll go into town later to see if the
deliveries have arrived. The store manager said the delivery drivers
didn't want to enter the stores so didn't show up.
My wife only went to mostly buy salad produce for making her salads
but not a leaf of lettuce to be seen. But now she doesn't need to
make salads for her school lunches as the schools here are all closed
as of this morning, she received an email telling her not to come in
until further notice.
It's good I like SPAM, I've got lots. The only thing she was able to
buy were two bags of pretzels... signs posted all over the store
limiting to two of each item but not many items to choose from.
I'm thinking things will deteriorate a lot further before they get
better, if at all.
tert in seattle
Mar 16, 2020, 12:30:05 PM3/16/20
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things, including tylenol. The only think I noticed they were out
of was TP.
Cindy Hamilton
Mar 16, 2020, 1:03:10 PM3/16/20
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On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 12:06:54 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> My wife only went to mostly buy salad produce for making her salads
> but not a leaf of lettuce to be seen.
I was joking earlier that after the toilet paper ran out, people switched
> My wife only went to mostly buy salad produce for making her salads
> but not a leaf of lettuce to be seen.
to buying lettuce. Nice, big, soft leaves.
Cindy Hamilton
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 16, 2020, 1:55:45 PM3/16/20
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On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 11:06:54 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> My wife just arrived back from town, tried to do some shopping at the
> Tops Market, shelves were bare, nothing to buy. The only
>
> My wife just arrived back from town, tried to do some shopping at the
> items I asked her to buy were celery and bananas, none to be seen. I
> can live without celery but I'm supposed to eat two bananas each day
> for potassium, doctor's orders... I have eight bananas so will cut
> back to one each day. I'll go into town later to see if the
> deliveries have arrived.
>
If bananas are still not available stop at your pharmacy or the pharmacy/
> can live without celery but I'm supposed to eat two bananas each day
> for potassium, doctor's orders... I have eight bananas so will cut
> back to one each day. I'll go into town later to see if the
> deliveries have arrived.
>
vitamin area of your grocery store. Pick up a bottle or two of otc
potassium tablets and take several of those each day.
Ed Pawlowski
Mar 16, 2020, 2:14:16 PM3/16/20
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dried ones that fell a few months ago tend to scratch.
dsi1
Mar 16, 2020, 3:15:24 PM3/16/20
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When I saw the empty shelves, I kept thinking "weird scenes inside the gold mine." Beats me why. Strange days have found us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWnvhUOmIg
col...@gmail.com
Mar 16, 2020, 3:49:49 PM3/16/20
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I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all they were out of.
Ophelia
Mar 16, 2020, 3:52:22 PM3/16/20
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On 3/16/2020 11:15 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 3/16/2020 2:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/16/2020 4:06 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Yes, but we are being told to stock up then stay home. There is no TP
>>> available for sale online anywhere aside from the commercial stuff or on
>>> Ebay for $5 and up a roll plus postage.
>>
>> I checked my bathrooms and each has a supply that will last me a long
>> time. For $50 a roll I'd part with a couple of them though.
>
> I'm in Scotland right now - my husband was supposed to join me here next
> month, but...anyway - he went to the supermarket (northern NJ) first thing
> this morning, and there were NO fresh OR frozen vegetables, no paper
> goods, no long life or fresh milk, no pasta, no eggs, no flour.
===
> On 3/16/2020 2:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/16/2020 4:06 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Yes, but we are being told to stock up then stay home. There is no TP
>>> available for sale online anywhere aside from the commercial stuff or on
>>> Ebay for $5 and up a roll plus postage.
>>
>> I checked my bathrooms and each has a supply that will last me a long
>> time. For $50 a roll I'd part with a couple of them though.
>
> I'm in Scotland right now - my husband was supposed to join me here next
> month, but...anyway - he went to the supermarket (northern NJ) first thing
> this morning, and there were NO fresh OR frozen vegetables, no paper
> goods, no long life or fresh milk, no pasta, no eggs, no flour.
Tesco nearest to us was not totally empty but was allowing most things
as only 2 packs per customer.
Asda on the other hand was still selling 3 for 2!!! Crazy!
O
Sheldon
Mar 16, 2020, 4:07:01 PM3/16/20
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 12:49:44 -0700 (PDT), col...@gmail.com wrote:
>I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all they were out of.
Yoose Euros normally wipe yer butts with sliced bread... and then
>I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all they were out of.
yoose toast it for brecky.
dsi1
Mar 16, 2020, 4:58:50 PM3/16/20
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On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 9:49:49 AM UTC-10, col...@gmail.com wrote:
> I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all they were out of.
I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The thought ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread, but I quickly chased that idea out. 🍞🤣
> I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all they were out of.
S Viemeister
Mar 16, 2020, 5:16:17 PM3/16/20
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toilet roll or paper towels, nor any long-life milk - plenty of fresh
milk, though.
Ophelia
Mar 16, 2020, 5:34:42 PM3/16/20
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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
"S Viemeister" wrote in message news:hda8ks...@mid.individual.net...
That is something! Have you tried Asda delivery?
Ophelia
Mar 16, 2020, 5:36:27 PM3/16/20
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"dsi1" wrote in message
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Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
Dave Smith
Mar 16, 2020, 5:59:08 PM3/16/20
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On 2020-03-16 5:16 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
=
>>
>> Tesco nearest to us was not totally empty but was allowing most
>> things as only 2 packs per customer.
>>
>> Asda on the other hand was still selling 3 for 2!!! Crazy!
>>
> Got my Tesco delivery this evening - quite a few substitutions, no
> toilet roll or paper towels, nor any long-life milk - plenty of fresh
> milk, though.
Do they sell lactose free milk? The shelf life on that is usually at
=
>>
>> Tesco nearest to us was not totally empty but was allowing most
>> things as only 2 packs per customer.
>>
>> Asda on the other hand was still selling 3 for 2!!! Crazy!
>>
> Got my Tesco delivery this evening - quite a few substitutions, no
> toilet roll or paper towels, nor any long-life milk - plenty of fresh
> milk, though.
least twice as long as regular milk.
Bruce
Mar 16, 2020, 6:00:33 PM3/16/20
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milk.
Hank Rogers
Mar 16, 2020, 6:11:01 PM3/16/20
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dsi1
Mar 16, 2020, 7:16:02 PM3/16/20
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I did make some fried rice that was better than all those other guys can make. It was totally awesome.
I had some fried rice from a Chinese restaurant the other day. It was not good. Mushy and unpleasant. Those pakes don't know how to fry short grain rice. They must have ran out of long grain. Now that's the worst news ever! The pakes will one day rule the world but they'll never get good at cooking short grain rice.
Here's my good fried rice - it's not mushy and unpleasant.
https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/XV-TM_s8Qj-XpUOHkNnI7A.319hqv0sYq-Yf30g99DlA2
Bruce
Mar 16, 2020, 7:22:31 PM3/16/20
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 16:15:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 11:36:27 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" wrote in message
>> news:f5f6721d-ac8f-4509...@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 9:49:49 AM UTC-10, col...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all
>> > they were out of.
>>
>> I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The thought
>> ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread, but I quickly
>> chased that idea out. ??
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 11:36:27 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" wrote in message
>> news:f5f6721d-ac8f-4509...@googlegroups.com...
>>
>> On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 9:49:49 AM UTC-10, col...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all
>> > they were out of.
>>
>> I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The thought
>> ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread, but I quickly
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
>
>Sometimes it's better than the stuff from the store, most times, it's not. I don't bake enough bread to get good at it.
If 'store' is 'supermarket', then home made is always better than
>> ===
>>
>> Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
>
>Sometimes it's better than the stuff from the store, most times, it's not. I don't bake enough bread to get good at it.
store bought.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 16, 2020, 7:26:21 PM3/16/20
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think he's from across the pond??
dsi1
Mar 16, 2020, 7:32:09 PM3/16/20
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One day, cow's milk will not be coming from cows. It'll all be artificial milk made in factories and it will be lactose free. The only cows you'll be seeing will be in zoos.
Terry Coombs
Mar 16, 2020, 8:05:24 PM3/16/20
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out . Just finished a plate of rigatoni with homemade spaghetti sauce
and a hoagie bun turned into garlic toast . My belly is happy . But my
breath is stinky . So's hers ...
--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 16, 2020, 8:44:49 PM3/16/20
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On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 7:05:24 PM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
>
> Just finished a plate of rigatoni with homemade spaghetti sauce
> and a hoagie bun turned into garlic toast . My belly is happy . But my
> breath is stinky . So's hers ...
>
If you've both been eating garlic toast you cancel each other out. Neither
>
> Just finished a plate of rigatoni with homemade spaghetti sauce
> and a hoagie bun turned into garlic toast . My belly is happy . But my
> breath is stinky . So's hers ...
>
can smell garlic on the others breath and that's a good thing.
Bruce
Mar 16, 2020, 9:17:29 PM3/16/20
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dsi1
Mar 16, 2020, 11:55:03 PM3/16/20
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Bruce
Mar 17, 2020, 1:45:23 AM3/17/20
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shitload of onion
shitload of garlic
Your Koreans are pussies.
dsi1
Mar 17, 2020, 2:47:00 AM3/17/20
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S Viemeister
Mar 17, 2020, 3:58:14 AM3/17/20
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On 3/16/2020 9:34 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "S Viemeister" wrote in message news:hda8ks...@mid.individual.net...
> "S Viemeister" wrote in message news:hda8ks...@mid.individual.net...
> Got my Tesco delivery this evening - quite a few substitutions, no
> toilet roll or paper towels, nor any long-life milk - plenty of fresh
> milk, though.
>
> =====
>
> That is something! Have you tried Asda delivery?
>
We're lucky to get the three deliveries a week Tesco provides! No other
> toilet roll or paper towels, nor any long-life milk - plenty of fresh
> milk, though.
>
> =====
>
> That is something! Have you tried Asda delivery?
>
market delivers to this area.
S Viemeister
Mar 17, 2020, 3:59:09 AM3/17/20
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S Viemeister
Mar 17, 2020, 4:02:13 AM3/17/20
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On 3/16/2020 9:36 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 9:49:49 AM UTC-10, col...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all
>> they were out of.
>
> I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The
> thought ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread, but
> I quickly chased that idea out. 🍞🤣
>
> ===
>
> Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
>
Even less-than-perfect home baked bread is better than that factory made
>> I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all
>> they were out of.
>
> I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The
> thought ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread, but
> I quickly chased that idea out. 🍞🤣
>
> ===
>
> Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
>
cr%p.
Ophelia
Mar 17, 2020, 8:52:01 AM3/17/20
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"S Viemeister" wrote in message news:hdbe8h...@mid.individual.net...
====
We have never used any deliveries, but might have to think about it.
We have never used any deliveries, but might have to think about it.
Ophelia
Mar 17, 2020, 8:52:01 AM3/17/20
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"S Viemeister" wrote in message news:hdbeg1...@mid.individual.net...
Amen to that!
Dave Smith
Mar 17, 2020, 10:11:58 AM3/17/20
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litre container of lactose free milk in the fridge a couple weeks ago
and it was more than half full. I don't know what possessed my wife to
go shopping on the Friday because we were going to be away for the
weekend. She had not checked the milk supply and brought home a 4 litre
bag ( 3x 1.3L bags), That was two weeks ago Friday. I finally used up
the rest of that open container a few days ago to make tapioca and it
was still fine. The tag on the new milk bag indicated a best before date
of April 3. I have opened those bags more than a week past their best
before dates and they are still fine.
Dave Smith
Mar 17, 2020, 10:14:13 AM3/17/20
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On 2020-03-17 4:02 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The
>> thought ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread,
>> but I quickly chased that idea out. 🍞🤣
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
>>
> Even less-than-perfect home baked bread is better than that factory made
> cr%p.
I was in the grocery store yesterday and grabbed one of the few loaves
>> I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The
>> thought ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread,
>> but I quickly chased that idea out. 🍞🤣
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
>>
> Even less-than-perfect home baked bread is better than that factory made
> cr%p.
of whole wheat they had. I usually get my bread from the baker but was
not sure what is going to happen this week. My wife, who doesn't even
eat bread, asked me why on earth I had bought it. ... emergency back up.
Ophelia
Mar 17, 2020, 10:43:09 AM3/17/20
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"Terry Coombs" wrote in message news:r4p47u$dgj$1...@dont-email.me...
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LOL pretty much the same here:)
I have been making bread since I was a teenager, so like you, the only
time I eat other stuff is when out:)
There is very little I don't make from scratch:) I enjoy it doing it:)
Ophelia
Mar 17, 2020, 11:00:23 AM3/17/20
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That looks good:))))) I only ever use short grain rice now .. after
your guidance of course <g>
But really, if you have the time, home made bread is better :)
Sheldon
Mar 17, 2020, 11:10:18 AM3/17/20
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 "Ophelia" wrote:
>"S Viemeister" wrote:
>On 3/16/2020 Ophelia wrote:
>"S Viemeister" wrote:
>> "dsi1" wrote:
>> col...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all
>>> they were out of.
>>
>> I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The thought
>> ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread, but I quickly
>> chased that idea out. ??
>> col...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I bought toilet paper this am and could have gotten more.Bread was all
>>> they were out of.
>>
>> I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The thought
>> ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread, but I quickly
>>
>> ===
>> Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
>>
>Even less-than-perfect home baked bread is better than that factory made
>cr%p.
>====
>
> Amen to that!
But, Butt... factory made sliced white bread is soft and absorbant...
>> ===
>> Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
>>
>Even less-than-perfect home baked bread is better than that factory made
>cr%p.
>====
>
> Amen to that!
can be luxury TP. LOL
Sheldon
Mar 17, 2020, 11:21:11 AM3/17/20
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Sheldon
Mar 17, 2020, 11:23:35 AM3/17/20
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 10:14:21 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On 2020-03-17 4:02 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>
>>> I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The
>>> thought ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread,
>>> but I quickly chased that idea out. ??
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On 2020-03-17 4:02 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>
>>> I grabbed the last loaf of white bread. I'm such a lucky boy. The
>>> thought ran through my mind that I might have to make my own bread,
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
>>>
>> Even less-than-perfect home baked bread is better than that factory made
>> cr%p.
>
>
>I was in the grocery store yesterday and grabbed one of the few loaves
>of whole wheat they had. I usually get my bread from the baker but was
>not sure what is going to happen this week. My wife, who doesn't even
>eat bread, asked me why on earth I had bought it. ... emergency back up.
Back-up... for a shortage of TP.
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Hey! Make your own bread:) It is better than stuff from the store:)
>>>
>> Even less-than-perfect home baked bread is better than that factory made
>> cr%p.
>
>
>I was in the grocery store yesterday and grabbed one of the few loaves
>of whole wheat they had. I usually get my bread from the baker but was
>not sure what is going to happen this week. My wife, who doesn't even
>eat bread, asked me why on earth I had bought it. ... emergency back up.
Ophelia
Mar 17, 2020, 11:30:43 AM3/17/20
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"Sheldon" wrote in message
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I will leave you to enjoy:)
GM
Mar 17, 2020, 11:47:42 AM3/17/20
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KenK
Mar 17, 2020, 12:53:22 PM3/17/20
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Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:gg207f54b5a7rlc7o...@4ax.com:
I got a loaf of french bread the other day baked in the store. Not very
good. That store baked bread used to be a lot better. Packaged loaves,
brands I've tried, are so-so. Guess I'll have to start using my bread
machine again. I have some flour and yeast. Better proof the yeast
first. I have two loaves of store-bought bread on hand. Then the bread
machine.
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news:gg207f54b5a7rlc7o...@4ax.com:
good. That store baked bread used to be a lot better. Packaged loaves,
brands I've tried, are so-so. Guess I'll have to start using my bread
machine again. I have some flour and yeast. Better proof the yeast
first. I have two loaves of store-bought bread on hand. Then the bread
machine.
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I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.
Sheldon
Mar 17, 2020, 4:25:21 PM3/17/20
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will contain no mystery ingredients like bread from local bakeries...
will also cost a whole lot less.
Bruce
Mar 17, 2020, 4:30:15 PM3/17/20
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:25:15 -0400, Sheldon <penm...@aol.com> wrote:
>On 17 Mar 2020 16:53:17 GMT, KenK <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>news:gg207f54b5a7rlc7o...@4ax.com:
>>
>On 17 Mar 2020 16:53:17 GMT, KenK <inv...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>news:gg207f54b5a7rlc7o...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> If 'store' is 'supermarket', then home made is always better than
>>> store bought.
>>
>>I got a loaf of french bread the other day baked in the store. Not very
>>good. That store baked bread used to be a lot better. Packaged loaves,
>>brands I've tried, are so-so. Guess I'll have to start using my bread
>>machine again. I have some flour and yeast. Better proof the yeast
>>first. I have two loaves of store-bought bread on hand. Then the bread
>>machine.
>
>A bread machine makes the best bread, it's easy peasy and your bread
>will contain no mystery ingredients like bread from local bakeries...
>will also cost a whole lot less.
It's alright, but it's better to let the machine only help with the
>>> store bought.
>>
>>I got a loaf of french bread the other day baked in the store. Not very
>>good. That store baked bread used to be a lot better. Packaged loaves,
>>brands I've tried, are so-so. Guess I'll have to start using my bread
>>machine again. I have some flour and yeast. Better proof the yeast
>>first. I have two loaves of store-bought bread on hand. Then the bread
>>machine.
>
>A bread machine makes the best bread, it's easy peasy and your bread
>will contain no mystery ingredients like bread from local bakeries...
>will also cost a whole lot less.
kneading and then you and the oven take over.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 17, 2020, 5:17:54 PM3/17/20
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been kneaded and risen. No?
jmcquown
Mar 17, 2020, 5:30:34 PM3/17/20
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let the bread rise in the machine without actually using the bake cycle.
Remove the risen bread to pans to bake it in an oven. The loaves will
have a hole through the middles. That's from the mechanism that holds
all of the dough together while the machine does its work.
Personally, I don't eat enough bread to bother baking it from scratch.
I've never wanted a bread machine.
Oh, this was about toilet paper? LOL
Jill
Ed Pawlowski
Mar 17, 2020, 5:35:50 PM3/17/20
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though, it would chafe.
Bruce
Mar 17, 2020, 5:42:48 PM3/17/20
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with your oven.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 17, 2020, 5:56:32 PM3/17/20
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former neighbor across the alley. But this past week-end our local
PBS station showed "Julia Child Bites" and one of the short segments
was making bread.
She made sandwich bread and she put a cookie sheet on top of the loaf
pan and on top of that she put an old cast iron on top of that. That
made the loaf flat on top as it baked and when she took it out of the
pan it looked just like a store bought loaf of sandwich bread.
Bruce
Mar 17, 2020, 6:02:19 PM3/17/20
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:56:28 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 4:42:48 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:17:50 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I thought all the modern bread machines also bake the bread once it has
>> >been kneaded and risen. No?
>>
>> Yes, but you get better bread if you do part of the process yourself,
>> with your oven.
>>
>I've only eaten homemade sourdough bread and that was loaves from my
>former neighbor across the alley. But this past week-end our local
>PBS station showed "Julia Child Bites" and one of the short segments
>was making bread.
>
>She made sandwich bread and she put a cookie sheet on top of the loaf
>pan and on top of that she put an old cast iron on top of that. That
>made the loaf flat on top as it baked and when she took it out of the
>pan it looked just like a store bought loaf of sandwich bread.
And better tasting, no doubt.
>On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 4:42:48 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:17:50 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I thought all the modern bread machines also bake the bread once it has
>> >been kneaded and risen. No?
>>
>> Yes, but you get better bread if you do part of the process yourself,
>> with your oven.
>>
>I've only eaten homemade sourdough bread and that was loaves from my
>former neighbor across the alley. But this past week-end our local
>PBS station showed "Julia Child Bites" and one of the short segments
>was making bread.
>
>She made sandwich bread and she put a cookie sheet on top of the loaf
>pan and on top of that she put an old cast iron on top of that. That
>made the loaf flat on top as it baked and when she took it out of the
>pan it looked just like a store bought loaf of sandwich bread.
graham
Mar 17, 2020, 6:04:46 PM3/17/20
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Ed Pawlowski
Mar 17, 2020, 7:10:54 PM3/17/20
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https://imgur.com/gallery/lVRAVaI
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Mar 17, 2020, 7:39:21 PM3/17/20
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it was done for those that like long, square-sided loaves.
Bruce
Mar 17, 2020, 7:48:42 PM3/17/20
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:39:17 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 5:02:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:56:28 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I've only eaten homemade sourdough bread and that was loaves from my
>> >former neighbor across the alley. But this past week-end our local
>> >PBS station showed "Julia Child Bites" and one of the short segments
>> >was making bread.
>> >
>> >She made sandwich bread and she put a cookie sheet on top of the loaf
>> >pan and on top of that she put an old cast iron on top of that. That
>> >made the loaf flat on top as it baked and when she took it out of the
>> >pan it looked just like a store bought loaf of sandwich bread.
>>
>> And better tasting, no doubt.
>>
>Ummmmmmm, I don't think it baking flat on top affected the taste. I guess
>it was done for those that like long, square-sided loaves.
I didn't mean to suggest the flatness affected the taste.
>On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 5:02:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:56:28 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I've only eaten homemade sourdough bread and that was loaves from my
>> >former neighbor across the alley. But this past week-end our local
>> >PBS station showed "Julia Child Bites" and one of the short segments
>> >was making bread.
>> >
>> >She made sandwich bread and she put a cookie sheet on top of the loaf
>> >pan and on top of that she put an old cast iron on top of that. That
>> >made the loaf flat on top as it baked and when she took it out of the
>> >pan it looked just like a store bought loaf of sandwich bread.
>>
>> And better tasting, no doubt.
>>
>Ummmmmmm, I don't think it baking flat on top affected the taste. I guess
>it was done for those that like long, square-sided loaves.
songbird
Mar 17, 2020, 8:28:55 PM3/17/20
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itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
...
decent job of the last rise and bake. then again, i haven't
looked in some years because Mom does her own anyways.
songbird
...
> I thought all the modern bread machines also bake the bread once it has
> been kneaded and risen. No?
they can, but as of yet i've never seen one that does a
> been kneaded and risen. No?
decent job of the last rise and bake. then again, i haven't
looked in some years because Mom does her own anyways.
songbird
dsi1
Mar 17, 2020, 8:32:35 PM3/17/20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvVUCbkc0eo
Bruce
Mar 17, 2020, 9:04:03 PM3/17/20
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Hank Rogers
Mar 17, 2020, 9:33:01 PM3/17/20
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Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 17:32:31 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 1:39:21 PM UTC-10, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 5:02:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:56:28 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've only eaten homemade sourdough bread and that was loaves from my
>>>>> former neighbor across the alley. But this past week-end our local
>>>>> PBS station showed "Julia Child Bites" and one of the short segments
>>>>> was making bread.
>>>>>
>>>>> She made sandwich bread and she put a cookie sheet on top of the loaf
>>>>> pan and on top of that she put an old cast iron on top of that. That
>>>>> made the loaf flat on top as it baked and when she took it out of the
>>>>> pan it looked just like a store bought loaf of sandwich bread.
>>>>
>>>> And better tasting, no doubt.
>>>>
>>> Ummmmmmm, I don't think it baking flat on top affected the taste. I guess
>>> it was done for those that like long, square-sided loaves.
>>
>> Those pullman type loaves are what we call "Japanese bread." It's what the Japanese prefer. Why? Because it's customary to cut off the unsightly crusts.
>
> Old people sometimes do that too. The Japanese must have bad teeth.
>
No, dumbass. The japanese like to make food presentation a work of
> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 17:32:31 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 1:39:21 PM UTC-10, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 5:02:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:56:28 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've only eaten homemade sourdough bread and that was loaves from my
>>>>> former neighbor across the alley. But this past week-end our local
>>>>> PBS station showed "Julia Child Bites" and one of the short segments
>>>>> was making bread.
>>>>>
>>>>> She made sandwich bread and she put a cookie sheet on top of the loaf
>>>>> pan and on top of that she put an old cast iron on top of that. That
>>>>> made the loaf flat on top as it baked and when she took it out of the
>>>>> pan it looked just like a store bought loaf of sandwich bread.
>>>>
>>>> And better tasting, no doubt.
>>>>
>>> Ummmmmmm, I don't think it baking flat on top affected the taste. I guess
>>> it was done for those that like long, square-sided loaves.
>>
>> Those pullman type loaves are what we call "Japanese bread." It's what the Japanese prefer. Why? Because it's customary to cut off the unsightly crusts.
>
> Old people sometimes do that too. The Japanese must have bad teeth.
>
art in addition to nutrition.
Yoose are as ignorant as Popeye.
S Viemeister
Mar 18, 2020, 3:30:00 AM3/18/20
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don't need to devote storage space to a bread machine.
Bruce
Mar 18, 2020, 3:36:25 AM3/18/20
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S Viemeister
Mar 18, 2020, 5:12:52 AM3/18/20
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On 3/18/2020 7:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 07:29:56 +0000, S Viemeister
> On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 07:29:56 +0000, S Viemeister
>> On 3/17/2020 8:30 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:25:15 -0400, Sheldon <penm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> A bread machine makes the best bread, it's easy peasy and your bread
>>>> will contain no mystery ingredients like bread from local bakeries...
>>>> will also cost a whole lot less.nn
>>> On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:25:15 -0400, Sheldon <penm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> A bread machine makes the best bread, it's easy peasy and your bread
>>>> will contain no mystery ingredients like bread from local bakeries...
>>> It's alright, but it's better to let the machine only help with the
>>> kneading and then you and the oven take over.
>>>
>> I have a nice big stand mixer which does more than just knead dough, so
>> don't need to devote storage space to a bread machine.
>
> It's nice to get help with just the kneading.
>
Yes. Especially when my back is acting up.
>>> kneading and then you and the oven take over.
>>>
>> I have a nice big stand mixer which does more than just knead dough, so
>> don't need to devote storage space to a bread machine.
>
> It's nice to get help with just the kneading.
>
Sheldon
Mar 18, 2020, 11:09:09 AM3/18/20
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and form it myself and bake it in my stove oven. Most times I'll form
rolls and sometimes cinnamon buns. I got rid of my big stand mixer
years ago, I prefer my ABM to make up dough... for other mixing I like
my Kitchen Aid hand mixer. My ABM takes very little storage space and
the hand mixer fits most anywhere... both are next to each other on a
shelf in my pantry. I really don't like my counters covered with
appliances... only the coffee maker, nuker, and toaster are displayed
as they're used daily.
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