FDA warns of 'serious threat to human and animal health' in 3 lots of Darwin's Natural dog food

[U.S. Janet B.]

salmonella

http://tinyurl.com/y54rqyzw

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 2:27:01 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> salmonella
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y54rqyzw
>
I saw that headline but did not read the article since I don't own a dog. But
it seems even our pets aren't immune to recalls.

[U.S. Janet B.]

the threat to humans handling the food exists

[notbob]

On 3/27/2019 1:26 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> salmonella
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y54rqyzw

Despite "some" FDA oversight, there is virtually NO oversight on pet
foods. Pet owners have been there, before. Thanks, Janet. ;)

nb

[jmcquown]

Whether or not you own a dog or ever owned a pet, pet food recalls were
all over the news not all that long ago. Pet food made in China which
were found have some sort of plastic material in it (IIRC).

Ah yes, I looked it up. 2007:

https://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/safetyhealth/recallswithdrawals/ucm129575.htm

The recalled pet food (dog and cat) was found to contain melamine. Pets
were getting sick and dying.

Salmonella had nothing to do with that massive recall and an actual
embargo of pet food made in China even for a US brand. At least, that's
the way I remember it.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Notice it was "natural" dog food? What kind of oversight was there for
putting a label on it and making people believe it was better than
something else?

Jill

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 19:03:28 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I've always wondered about this kind of food. Garbage in/garbage out,
maybe. Or maybe the food packages were stored or handled improperly.
If I'm going to feed natural I will make it myself.
Janet US

[jmcquown]

That's pretty much how I feel about it. I don't immediately believe
some label that calls it "natural".

Jill

[graham]

"NATURAL" - The most mis-applied word in the English language!!!!

[U.S. Janet B.]

well, yes. For the clueless it means 'organic.'

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 5:35:30 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
> Whether or not you own a dog or ever owned a pet, pet food recalls were
> all over the news not all that long ago. Pet food made in China which
> were found have some sort of plastic material in it (IIRC).
>
> Ah yes, I looked it up. 2007:
>
> https://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/safetyhealth/recallswithdrawals/ucm129575.htm
>
> The recalled pet food (dog and cat) was found to contain melamine. Pets
> were getting sick and dying.
>
> Salmonella had nothing to do with that massive recall and an actual
> embargo of pet food made in China even for a US brand. At least, that's
> the way I remember it.
>
> Jill
>

Yes, I remember that but thankfully none of the cat food I had was made out
of the USA.

[graham]

And it MUST be good, despite the fact that many toxins are "natural".

[Ophelia]

"jmcquown" wrote in message news:4pcnE.465984$cx5.1...@fx46.iad...

==

Some will do anything for money:(

[Ophelia]

"jmcquown" wrote in message news:P_bnE.103585$m65....@fx43.iad...

==

I have always cooked for my dogs, and was derided here for it. At least
they have never been poisoned.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:10:53 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

When we got 2 kittens years ago, my wife started cooking for them.
They didn't want it. They wanted supermarket stuff. Ever since I call
both of them Gary.

[Bruce]

So is a coconut on your head.

[Bruce]

We don't buy food from Asia anymore. They have the standards of a back
alley bum.

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 19:27:30 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Cats get habituated on what they first had for food. Cooking for them
is unnecessary and arguably undesirable. IMO just feed them raw meat
(since you live in Australia, it's easy to find raw roo meat in
supermarkets) canned fish occasionally and maybe some grain-free dry
food. This diet is much healthier than 'supermarket stuff'.

My older cat, Annie, was the same - she only wanted what the animal
shelter fed her. It took me a few years of multiple attempts to get
her to eat raw meat... a battle of wills, I'd cave in after she didnt
eat for one or two days. Eventually I prevailed, now she and Lucy's
most favourite food of all is raw roo meat. Annie won't even touch the
canned supermarket food now.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 16:17:12 +0700, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 19:27:30 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>

>>When we got 2 kittens years ago, my wife started cooking for them.
>>They didn't want it. They wanted supermarket stuff. Ever since I call
>>both of them Gary.
>
>Cats get habituated on what they first had for food. Cooking for them
>is unnecessary and arguably undesirable. IMO just feed them raw meat
>(since you live in Australia, it's easy to find raw roo meat in
>supermarkets) canned fish occasionally and maybe some grain-free dry
>food. This diet is much healthier than 'supermarket stuff'.
>
>My older cat, Annie, was the same - she only wanted what the animal
>shelter fed her. It took me a few years of multiple attempts to get
>her to eat raw meat... a battle of wills, I'd cave in after she didnt
>eat for one or two days. Eventually I prevailed, now she and Lucy's
>most favourite food of all is raw roo meat. Annie won't even touch the
>canned supermarket food now.

The supermarket stuff is the same stuff you used to feed your cats a
few years ago.

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:01:25 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>

What supermarket stuff? The dry food?

[Cindy Hamilton]

None. It's a marketing term:

<https://www.fda.gov/food/guidanceregulation/guidancedocumentsregulatoryinformation/labelingnutrition/ucm456090.htm>

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

No, it doesn't. The FDA has no policy on the use of the word
"natural".

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

Yes, we talked about the 2 or 3 colours of it.

[Bruce]

When it's not a legally defined term, anything goes. They genetically
modify a yeast organism to poop vanilla and then they call that
vanilla "natural vanilla flavour". I forgot the details, but it was
something like that.

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:mllr9e531qof4qs5e...@4ax.com...

==

Aww the wee souls. That food will be what they were used to. My
current dog was so starved, she would have eaten my leg off if she had been
allowed. I love it now when she is picky:))

Gary eh? <g> Just you remember, we all have our preferences:))

[graham]

Naturally!
Like every thing else these days, it leaves the industry to set policy.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 03:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I didn't mean that natural was organic. Only that some people see the
word natural and assume that it means organic. In other words, it's
all the same to them which is why manufacturers use these iffy terms.
Janet US

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> When we got 2 kittens years ago, my wife started cooking for them.
> They didn't want it. They wanted supermarket stuff. Ever since I call
> both of them Gary.

LOL. Funny.
Good for them though. The cats will probably live longer than
both you and the wife with all your ingredient concerns and
issues. They don't want cooked veggies. They want meat which you
both hate.

Good time to kill your wild dogs and feed them to your cats. Save
a roo, eh?
As I said, if you kill it, you should eat it. Feeding to cats
will work.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:38:05 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> When we got 2 kittens years ago, my wife started cooking for them.
>> They didn't want it. They wanted supermarket stuff. Ever since I call
>> both of them Gary.
>
>LOL. Funny.
>Good for them though. The cats will probably live longer than
>both you and the wife with all your ingredient concerns and
>issues. They don't want cooked veggies. They want meat which you
>both hate.

Wrong. We gave them meat, of course.

>Good time to kill your wild dogs and feed them to your cats. Save
>a roo, eh?
>As I said, if you kill it, you should eat it. Feeding to cats
>will work.

Wrong. I don't kill those diseased animals.

2 x wrong, 0 x right

[Bruce]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:40:36 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message news:mllr9e531qof4qs5e...@4ax.com...
>
>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:10:53 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>

>> I have always cooked for my dogs, and was derided here for it. At least
>>they have never been poisoned.
>
>When we got 2 kittens years ago, my wife started cooking for them.
>They didn't want it. They wanted supermarket stuff. Ever since I call
>both of them Gary.
>
>==
>
> Aww the wee souls. That food will be what they were used to. My
>current dog was so starved, she would have eaten my leg off if she had been
>allowed. I love it now when she is picky:))

Didn't they feed it in the shelter? Didn't you get it from a shelter?

> Gary eh? <g> Just you remember, we all have our preferences:))

Ah, yes, to each their own :)

[penm...@aol.com]

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 18:37:35 -0600, graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

Actually Natural is synonymous with Organic.

[U.S. Janet B.]

NO

[Thomas]

Iwork in pharmacy. Every recall in the past 12 months ish has been for cancer causing agents added to meds...from China. The meds are not manufactured in China but some fillers are. They know how to kill a nation without using a gun.

A sample...


Another blood pressure drug has been recalled because of fears of impurities added by a lab in China.

Drug company Sandoz says it has recalled one lot of losartan potassium hydrochlorothiazide tablets. The impurity, known as NDEA, was found in the drug’s key ingredient made by Zhejiang Huahai Pharmaceutical Co. in China.

NDEA is found naturally in certain foods, drinking water, air pollution, and industrial processes, and it may cause cancer, according to the International Agency for Research on Cancer.

The recalled drug can be identified as Losartan Potassium Hydrochlorothiazide, 100-milligram/25-milligram tablets in 1,000-count plastic bottles; NDC (National Drug Code) 0781-5207-10; Lot number JB8912; with an expiration date of 06/2020. This product was distributed nationwide to distributors after Oct. 8.

This latest recall follows several others announced since July, when the FDA announced the recall of five separate valsartan blood pressure drugs over possible NDEA and NDMA contamination. Many more were announced in August as the recall spread to Canada and the European Union. And earlier this month, a blood pressure drug known as irbesartan was recalled.

People with questions may contact Sandoz Inc. at 800-525-8747, Monday through Friday from 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. ET, or email usdrugsafet...@novartis.com. Contact your doctor or pharmacist to discuss alternative treatments. Patients who are on losartan should continue taking their medication, as they may be more likely to be harmed if the treatment is stopped without an alternative.

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:8jns9epl3ohb4rv58...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:40:36 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message
>news:mllr9e531qof4qs5e...@4ax.com...
>
>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:10:53 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> I have always cooked for my dogs, and was derided here for it. At
>> least
>>they have never been poisoned.
>
>When we got 2 kittens years ago, my wife started cooking for them.
>They didn't want it. They wanted supermarket stuff. Ever since I call
>both of them Gary.
>
>==
>
> Aww the wee souls. That food will be what they were used to. My
>current dog was so starved, she would have eaten my leg off if she had been
>allowed. I love it now when she is picky:))

Didn't they feed it in the shelter? Didn't you get it from a shelter?

She had only just gone into the shelter. A matter of days.

> Gary eh? <g> Just you remember, we all have our preferences:))

Ah, yes, to each their own :)

:)))

[jmcquown]

Only to the clueless, eh? ;)

Jill

[graham]

Certainly if it includes the hairshirt/birkenstock/anti-vaxxer crowd.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 19:27:30 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

Did you ever consider that they didn't like your wife's cooking? Cats
are much fussier than dogs with eating and everything else. Most
people food is not healthful for cats because people use ingredients
that are dangerous for felines. Our cats share our dinner most days
but it's generally plain meat and plain veggies, no spices, no
garlic/onions. Tonight we're having oven roasted eye round. only
seasoning is a wee bit of freshly ground black pepper and rubbed with
some olive oil. the cats love it. We only add salt and more pepper at
table. Cats also like yellow veggies; carrots, sweet potato, corn,
butternut squash, and garbonso beans. Whenever I do a roast I do one
large enough to feed the cats too... it's suprising how much roast
beef a small cat can consume. Cats don't care about prime rib, they
prefer lean round... they love my home ground top round burgers. I
would never eat pre ground mystery meat and I don't feed that trash to
the cats. They get their share of skinless boneless chicken cutlets
too. But it's important to feed a good brand of cat food because cats
need the offal that's included. These guys get canned and dry
Friskies and the vet approves. In fact dried is more healthful,
especiallly for their teeth. We must be doing something right
because our cats live long lives; Peach is 18, Jilly is almost 20.
Barney is almost ten and like a kitten. Cali is 10 too and like a
young kitten. Misch is the youngest, he's maybe six but at 22 pounds
he's the biggest, a real barn cat,but very happpy to have a home, he
has no desire to go outside but he likes to see when his feral buddies
come around each day. The passle of ferrals are fed well too... there
are about ten regulars, they all get heated shelters for winter.













we must be doing something right becaus our cats live lon

[Bruce]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 20:35:09 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message news:8jns9epl3ohb4rv58...@4ax.com...
>
>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:40:36 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
>>news:mllr9e531qof4qs5e...@4ax.com...
>>
>>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 08:10:53 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I have always cooked for my dogs, and was derided here for it. At
>>> least
>>>they have never been poisoned.
>>
>>When we got 2 kittens years ago, my wife started cooking for them.
>>They didn't want it. They wanted supermarket stuff. Ever since I call
>>both of them Gary.
>>
>>==
>>
>> Aww the wee souls. That food will be what they were used to. My
>>current dog was so starved, she would have eaten my leg off if she had been
>>allowed. I love it now when she is picky:))
>
>Didn't they feed it in the shelter? Didn't you get it from a shelter?
>
>
> She had only just gone into the shelter. A matter of days.

Oh, ok. Well, she's very lucky you picked her.

[Bruce]

She followed an approved recipe for cats. But they were fussy,
alright.

[Bruce]

Huh? They're exactly people who would know the difference. I don't
know what a hairshirt is, though. I'm probably missing out on
something.

[GM]

Sheldon, we need some more of your cat pix, please post a few...

Also, how has this past winter been to your critters...now that the weather is warming up - a bit! - how are they doing...

You are very conscientious, more pet owners should follow yer example...

--
Best
Greg

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:52:28 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>

Oh yes.
https://www.petfoodreviews.com.au/dry-cat-food/vip-fussy-cat-grain-free/

[GM]

graham, one of my professional comrades is an anti - vaxxer, he was recently espousing his views, and I calmly said, "How many 19th century diseases do you want to bring back..."

He is 27, I'm in my 60's, and I remember when the polio vaccine came in c. 1960 (we little kids ingested via a sugar cube in school!), it was truly a miracle of the 20th century...POLIO CONQUERED...!!!

Recently here in Chicago, a number of measles outbreaks have occured primarily in affluent white suburbs, these are because the young "hipster" parents think it is "cool" to be anti - vaxxers...

<sigh>

--
Best
Greg

[Hank Rogers]

I bet yoose cat would eat it, if'n Popeye cooked it up instead of yoose
wife.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 05:49:55 +0700, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:52:28 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:04:25 +0700, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:01:25 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>

>>>>The supermarket stuff is the same stuff you used to feed your cats a
>>>>few years ago.
>>>
>>>What supermarket stuff? The dry food?
>>
>>Yes, we talked about the 2 or 3 colours of it.
>
>
>Oh yes.
>https://www.petfoodreviews.com.au/dry-cat-food/vip-fussy-cat-grain-free/

That's the one. We've tried better brands as well, but some of them
they refused to eat and others gave them zits. It's a balancing act.
They also get wet food.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 18:28:21 -0500, Hank Rogers <nos...@invalid.net>
wrote:

Yes, anybody would eat anything Popeye cooked. It's a shame he doesn't
deliver.

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 10:42:37 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>

wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 05:49:55 +0700, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:52:28 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:04:25 +0700, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:01:25 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The supermarket stuff is the same stuff you used to feed your cats a
>>>>>few years ago.
>>>>
>>>>What supermarket stuff? The dry food?
>>>
>>>Yes, we talked about the 2 or 3 colours of it.
>>
>>
>>Oh yes.
>>https://www.petfoodreviews.com.au/dry-cat-food/vip-fussy-cat-grain-free/
>
>That's the one. We've tried better brands as well, but some of them
>they refused to eat and others gave them zits.

Zits?? Really?

>It's a balancing act.
>They also get wet food.

Yes, it's not the 'best' brand out there but certainly a very long way
from the worst. It's a good compromise IMO in terms of quality and
price. My two girls get a variety of food every day (mainly raw meats,
some fish and some human leftover food), and this dry food is more for
a bit of a snack during the day rather than a main meal.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 06:46:52 +0700, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 10:42:37 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 05:49:55 +0700, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:52:28 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:04:25 +0700, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 21:01:25 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The supermarket stuff is the same stuff you used to feed your cats a
>>>>>>few years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>What supermarket stuff? The dry food?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, we talked about the 2 or 3 colours of it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Oh yes.
>>>https://www.petfoodreviews.com.au/dry-cat-food/vip-fussy-cat-grain-free/
>>
>>That's the one. We've tried better brands as well, but some of them
>>they refused to eat and others gave them zits.
>
>Zits?? Really?

Yes on their chin. I believe it was from Eukaneba dry food. Or some
"holistic" brand. Something expensive anyway.

>>It's a balancing act.
>>They also get wet food.
>
>Yes, it's not the 'best' brand out there but certainly a very long way
>from the worst. It's a good compromise IMO in terms of quality and
>price. My two girls get a variety of food every day (mainly raw meats,
>some fish and some human leftover food), and this dry food is more for
>a bit of a snack during the day rather than a main meal.

Sounds good. For cats, I mean. I feed ours 3 times. 2 times wet and 1
time dry. I don't think they get enough liquid if you'd only give them
dry.

[graham]

I like the T-shirt that said: "Vaccinations are dangerous but tetanus
isn't!"

[graham]

On 2019-03-29 4:53 p.m., GM wrote:

We received the jab during an outbreak.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 18:40:52 -0600, graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2019-03-29 4:53 p.m., GM wrote:
>> graham wrote:
>>
>>> On 2019-03-29 2:54 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/29/2019 2:21 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:09:20 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 18:37:35 -0600, graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2019-03-28 5:03 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

snip

>>> Certainly if it includes the hairshirt/birkenstock/anti-vaxxer crowd.
>>
>>
>> graham, one of my professional comrades is an anti - vaxxer, he was recently espousing his views, and I calmly said, "How many 19th century diseases do you want to bring back..."
>>
>> He is 27, I'm in my 60's, and I remember when the polio vaccine came in c. 1960 (we little kids ingested via a sugar cube in school!), it was truly a miracle of the 20th century...POLIO CONQUERED...!!!
>>
>> Recently here in Chicago, a number of measles outbreaks have occured primarily in affluent white suburbs, these are because the young "hipster" parents think it is "cool" to be anti - vaxxers...
>>
>> <sigh>
>>
>I like the T-shirt that said: "Vaccinations are dangerous but tetanus
>isn't!"

How to take your military down
Anti-vaxxers legacy.
http://tinyurl.com/y552zocf

[U.S. Janet B.]

I lived on the shores of Lake Michigan as a child and there were
several summers when we couldn't go to the beach or any holiday
festivities because of the prevalence of polio. I was thrilled when
the vaccine came out and my husband and I stood in line with our
daughter to make sure she got the vaccine. In later years a friend of
ours died as a consequence of having had polio as a child. Many of
these diseases have long term implications.
. Have you read about the awful things the organized anti-vaxxers
are doing? They are calling and harassing the women who have had
children die from measles and saying they really killed their child or
that they never had a child, that the women are whores and worse, they
are threatening them. WTH? Where do all these crazy haters come
from?
Janet US

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:

>
> Jeßus wrote:
> >price. My two girls get a variety of food every day (mainly raw meats,
> >some fish and some human leftover food), and this dry food is more for
> >a bit of a snack during the day rather than a main meal.
>

> For cats, I mean. I feed ours 3 times. 2 times wet and 1
> time dry. I don't think they get enough liquid if you'd only give them
> dry.

They would get all they require with dry only. Dry food should
always be available along with fresh water.
Cats (and ferrets) won't overeat like dogs will. They only eat
and drink as necessary.

Both my cat and ferrets had dry food and a water bowl available
24/7.
Each evening though they got a dinner treat.
"Meaty" food for the cat. He only loved seafood.
Ferrets always got their 'Warm Gravy Meal(TM)'

They all got to sample my food too. Different animals, different
favorites.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 06:58:45 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Jeßus wrote:
>> >price. My two girls get a variety of food every day (mainly raw meats,
>> >some fish and some human leftover food), and this dry food is more for
>> >a bit of a snack during the day rather than a main meal.
>>
>> For cats, I mean. I feed ours 3 times. 2 times wet and 1
>> time dry. I don't think they get enough liquid if you'd only give them
>> dry.
>
>They would get all they require with dry only. Dry food should
>always be available along with fresh water.

No, they get way too fat that way. Cats also don't drink as much as
would be good for them. If you can get some extra liquid into them,
that's a bonus.

>Cats (and ferrets) won't overeat like dogs will. They only eat
>and drink as necessary.

No, they can definitely overeat. How else do you explain that there
are overweight cats?

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:1c5t9elrieieff5o1...@4ax.com...

====

So are we:)) She has changed from a skinny dog terrified of everything
and everybody to an affectionate and loving girl who can't bear to see us
apart and if we are in different rooms she dashes from one room to the other
to keep an eye on both of us LOL she is funny:)

Oh and she is still afraid of dogs.

[GM]

She has trained you well, luv...nice to see that she has become a loving pet...

;-)

--
Best
Greg

[Ophelia]

"GM" wrote in message
news:ae27ca4f-c6b0-4404...@googlegroups.com...

Best
Greg

==

LOL you got that right!!! She has us well trained:)))

[Gary]

I agree to disagree.
Overweight comes from too much meaty meal, not dry.

Not enough drinking comes from not changing their water often
enough. Keep it cold and fresh, like change 2-3 times per day and
put right next to the food bowl. And there should always be some
dry available.

[Bruce]

You haven't had many cats.

Anyway, cats have a lower "thirst drive" than is good for them.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 12:00:35 -0000, "Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com>

Lol, that's funny. Sounds like a great dog.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> You haven't had many cats.

All my life until Mr.Kitty died (age 19.5). Ferret were the new
thing for me.

>
> Anyway, cats have a lower "thirst drive" than is good for them.

Believe it, Bruce. Where in the world did you ever hear that?

[Bruce]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 14:13:09 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> You haven't had many cats.
>All my life until Mr.Kitty died (age 19.5). Ferret were the new
>thing for me.

There you go. Stick to ferrets.

>> Anyway, cats have a lower "thirst drive" than is good for them.
>
>Believe it, Bruce. Where in the world did you ever hear that?

From a real life vet and from online vet sites. Cats often get kidney
problems. More drinking is good for that.

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:hqbv9e9fi5kguoan3...@4ax.com...

==

Aye she is that:))

[cshenk]

On 3/29/2019 6:45 PM, Greg Morrow wrote:
> Sheldon, we need some more of your cat pix, please post a few...
>

Have you seen his hog?

https://imgur.com/a/BbBLI LOL

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 06:58:45 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Jeßus wrote:
>> >price. My two girls get a variety of food every day (mainly raw meats,
>> >some fish and some human leftover food), and this dry food is more for
>> >a bit of a snack during the day rather than a main meal.
>>
>> For cats, I mean. I feed ours 3 times. 2 times wet and 1
>> time dry. I don't think they get enough liquid if you'd only give them
>> dry.
>
>They would get all they require with dry only.

I have to disagree with that, Gary. The risk of kidney problems is
high on such a diet, along with a few other issues. Especially most
commonly available dry food which is high in carbohydrates and have
many other nutritional shortcomings. Cats are obligate carnivores and
can't handle carbohydrates very well.

>Dry food should
>always be available along with fresh water.
>Cats (and ferrets) won't overeat like dogs will. They only eat
>and drink as necessary.

Well, most cats won't, at least.

[Jeßus]

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 13:11:36 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 06:58:45 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>> >Cats (and ferrets) won't overeat like dogs will. They only eat
>> >and drink as necessary.
>>
>> No, they can definitely overeat. How else do you explain that there
>> are overweight cats?
>
>I agree to disagree.
>Overweight comes from too much meaty meal, not dry.

Gary, sorry but the exact opposite is the case.

>Not enough drinking comes from not changing their water often
>enough.

Some cats don't like drinking water that isn't running. My tabby
reluctantly will drink from the water bowl (the water is changed at
least once daily, and contains no chemicals)... but she prefers
drinking from the toilet or she comes running when a tap is turned on
in the kitchen or bathroom for a drink :)

And cats are supposed to get much of their water from meat or wet
food... another reason a dry food only diet is inappropriate.

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 05:19:30 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

They get kidney problems primarily from eating too much dry food and
in nature get much of their water from meat.

[Bruce]

Yes.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Mon, 01 Apr 2019 06:19:34 +0700, Jeßus <j...@j.net> wrote:

My feral's have a water bottle. One of them prefers drinking from the
knot hole in the deck wood. Shrug

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 6:21:02 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>
> Some cats don't like drinking water that isn't running. My tabby
> reluctantly will drink from the water bowl (the water is changed at
> least once daily, and contains no chemicals)... but she prefers
> drinking from the toilet or she comes running when a tap is turned on
> in the kitchen or bathroom for a drink :)
>

Have you considered a water fountain for your cat? I've got one of these and
have had for about 15 years. Yes, it does require a nearby electric outlet
to power the pump but all cats that I've ever had love it because it is
running water.

https://www.amazon.com/Petmate-Deluxe-Fresh-Flow-Fountain/dp/B0083BWCY0/ref=sr_1_11?keywords=petmate+water+dispenser&qid=1554084315&s=gateway&sr=8-11

[Jeßus]

That could be a good idea in the future Joan, thanks. Our (current)
home in Australia is in a remote area, our two girls have access to
many water sources, including a running creek outside. But we are
selling up and buying a conventional suburban home in the near future,
so something like that fountain would be a great idea then, thanks
again.

Lucy: https://postimg.cc/GHZwRxXK *




















































*bemused that this will trigger some hygeine freaks ;)

[Jeßus]

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:00:05 -0600, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

Yep :) Much like I gave up buying my cats scratching posts (they
prefer the wooden posts on the balcony) and toys... they prefer to
play with the boxes they came in :)
https://i.postimg.cc/4yK0f9hF/freddycat.jpg

[U.S. Janet B.]

My 2 feral's have a creek mere feet away. They saw that my dog drank
from a bucket so they balanced all 4 feet around the rim of the bucket
and sank their face down into the water. After the dog passed we gave
them the water bottle but as I said, one cat prefers the water in the
knot hole. However, the squirrels enjoy the water bottle and drink
alongside the cats.
It's kind of a Dr. Dolittle universe here.
Janet US
>

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

You're welcome and they DO love running water whether it's from a faucet or
running down the street gutter.

[jmcquown]

I had a Drinkwell fountain for my cat (Persia) for years. I bought it
because she kept jumping from the toilet seat lid onto the bathroom sink
to drink any time I ran water. I was afraid I'd spit toothpaste on her
head. :)

I don't know about current designs but that thing was a PITA to take
apart to clean. She took to a nice deep ceramic water bowl (clean water
twice a day) easily enough. My current cat Buffy drinks plenty of water
from that same bowl.

Jill

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I had a Drinkwell fountain for my cat (Persia) for years. ...

> I don't know about current designs but that thing was a PITA to take
> apart to clean. She took to a nice deep ceramic water bowl (clean water
> twice a day) easily enough. My current cat Buffy drinks plenty of water
> from that same bowl.

All my cats drank fine from a water bowl. I think the main thing
is to keep it cold and fresh. Same with ferrets in the later
years.

I always had a Britta water-filtered container in my fridge.
Funny as I rarely drank that nice filtered water. I was fine with
city water right from the tap except in mid summer when that tap
water was just a bit too warm. One ice cube in a 20oz water glass
was fine. I don't like super cold ice water but just one cube
works well for me.

Anyway, my pets always got the filtered and cold water. Not just
once a day..cats and ferrets liked it cold and very fresh. Put
down a water dish once a day and it will be ignored after several
hours. No big deal to me to give them fresh 2-3 times a day.

[Gary]

"Jeßus" wrote:
>
> Jeßus wrote:
> Lucy: https://postimg.cc/GHZwRxXK

What a great cat pic. I love that.

On a totally unrelated note, have you ever watched the
movie, 'Lucy' ... Scarlett Johansson in Lucy (2014)

If not, give it a watch. I really liked that. Kind of a Twilight
Zone movie.

[Thomas]

I cant find the post about the running fountain. I had the same one. Pain in the ass to clean the slime twice a week. Twice a week was all I gave a shit about.Ily loved it but I feared disease from it. Tossed it in 6 months.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

This water bowl/fountain was cleaned today and a new filter installed. It
takes about 10 minutes to do the job and I use baking soda to scrub it.
The filters were expensive ($7 for 2) so I resorted to using the small size
aquarium filters that I buy at WallyWorld. They're about $7 for 6 and are
charcoal like the ones designed for the fountain and work exceptionally well.
Filter is changed monthly.

https://i.postimg.cc/PrYHC2dr/Tetra-Filter.jpg

[cshenk]

They've debunked the issues of dry BTW. Has more to do with
ingredients than if it's just 'dry'

[dsi1]

On Wednesday, March 27, 2019 at 9:27:01 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> salmonella
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y54rqyzw

It's serious but in the big picture maybe not so serious. At least entire species of dogs and their owners aren't going extinct. Now that's what I call serious!

https://animals.howstuffworks.com/endangered-species/frog-extinction.htm

[Jeßus]

Well, naturally it's all about the ingredients.