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Ed Pawlowski

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Nov 2, 2017, 3:29:09 PM11/2/17
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Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?

A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet. The other
night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.

http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html

I'm sure it would be good, the restaurant itself up up scale, but I just
cannot think of a meatloaf being $24. Most family restaurants are
closer to $10 for average and I expect to pay more for better. It has
my curiosity and may just try it if we do go there. .

Casa de los peregrinos

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Nov 2, 2017, 3:32:44 PM11/2/17
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I wouldn't pay it, but it seems to be a trendy item now:

https://www.tedsmontanagrill.com/menu/download/TMG_T3_PT_CT.pdf

Bison Meatloaf 18$
Gravy, garlic mashed potatoes, “Aunt Fannie’s” squash casserole

..saved ya $6, if the drive's not too long...

lucreti...@fl.it

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Nov 2, 2017, 4:10:46 PM11/2/17
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I'd be qizzing the server first to see if there was some special merit
to it :) Probably the normal upscale diners don't know how to make
it for themselves, hence the restaurant can make a killing.

Ed Pawlowski

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Nov 2, 2017, 4:25:28 PM11/2/17
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On 11/2/2017 4:10 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> The meatloaf shouldn't be $10 more than the mussels, and only ~10%
> less than the other fish/shellfish entrees.
>
> -sw
>

It may be better grade of meat than the supermarket stuff and there is
the mushroom sauce but still, it seems you are paying for the ambiance
more than ingredients.

Dave Smith

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:21:27 PM11/2/17
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Most of the other choices look reasonable, but that meatloaf does seem
to be overpriced. IMO it would be over priced if you got the whole loaf
for that price.

penm...@aol.com

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:24:30 PM11/2/17
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:10:49 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:29:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>The meatloaf shouldn't be $10 more than the mussels, and only ~10%
>less than the other fish/shellfish entrees.
>
>-sw

I'd not patronize any US restaurant that doesn't know to use dollar
sign$... took me a few moments to figure those stand alone numbers
weren't how many servings... those numbers lacking ddollar signs tell
me from teh get-go that the joint is smarmy.
Restaurant meat loaf dinner should never be more than $8... Blue Plate
Special = Meat Loaf, Mashed w/Gravy, Buttered Veg in Season...
Bread/Butter. There's fancy schmancy meat loaf that may cost more
(terrines), but typical meat loaf should cost less than a mystery meat
burger... restaurant meat loaf is salvaged mystery meat (plate
scrapings) with lots of bread crumb filler.
Hmmm, their swordfish plate is a total rip off at thirty bucks...
fresh caught (never frozen) on Lung Guyland would cost half that.

penm...@aol.com

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:29:59 PM11/2/17
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'Zactly! I make meat loaf with five pounds of meat, beef/pork, under
twenty dollars for meat.

Thomas

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:31:05 PM11/2/17
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I would pay it. High prices keep the thugs away.

Julie Bove

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:33:25 PM11/2/17
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"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
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$22 for a polenta cake? All dinners seem overpriced except perhaps the
burger or mussels. If I were to go there I would just have soup and a small
salad but those prices still seem a bit high. The dinner prices should
include soup, the best salad bar you've ever seen, rolls, dessert and at
least a cup of coffee or tea. Yikes!

jmcquown

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:33:37 PM11/2/17
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Agreed! Even if you personally grind the best cuts of beef, veal and
pork to make a meatloaf, it wouldn't cost $24. Ed is right, people who
order it must be paying for the overall ambiance. Either that or, as
lucretia suggested, the diners don't know how to make meatloaf so
they're willing to pay that much. :)

Jill

Bruce

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:37:17 PM11/2/17
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On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 17:24:27 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:10:49 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
>wrote:
>
>>The meatloaf shouldn't be $10 more than the mussels, and only ~10%
>>less than the other fish/shellfish entrees.
>>
>>-sw
>
>I'd not patronize any US restaurant that doesn't know to use dollar
>sign$... took me a few moments to figure those stand alone numbers
>weren't how many servings... those numbers lacking ddollar signs tell
>me from teh get-go that the joint is smarmy.

So you thought that the antipasto was supposed to feed 15 people?

Sqwertz

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:37:55 PM11/2/17
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On 11/2/2017 2:10 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> The meatloaf shouldn't be $10

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Casa de los peregrinos

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:39:33 PM11/2/17
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Heck yes, that's a fancy schmancy joint!

I mean if TYed's Montana (not cheap) does it for $6 less, well...

Casa de los peregrinos

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:45:00 PM11/2/17
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On 11/2/2017 3:24 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:10:49 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:29:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?
>>>
>>> A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet. The other
>>> night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.
>>>
>>> http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html
>>>
>>> I'm sure it would be good, the restaurant itself up up scale, but I just
>>> cannot think of a meatloaf being $24. Most family restaurants are
>>> closer to $10 for average and I expect to pay more for better. It has
>>> my curiosity and may just try it if we do go there. .
>>
>> The meatloaf shouldn't be $10 more than the mussels, and only ~10%
>> less than the other fish/shellfish entrees.
>>
>> -sw
>
> I'd not patronize any US restaurant that doesn't know to use dollar
> sign$... took me a few moments to figure those stand alone numbers
> weren't how many servings... those numbers lacking ddollar signs tell
> me from teh get-go that the joint is smarmy.

Oh good grief!

It's pretty much standard notation in any upscale menu now, get with today!

> Restaurant meat loaf dinner should never be more than $8... Blue Plate
> Special = Meat Loaf, Mashed w/Gravy, Buttered Veg in Season...
> Bread/Butter.

Agreed.

> There's fancy schmancy meat loaf that may cost more
> (terrines), but typical meat loaf should cost less than a mystery meat
> burger... restaurant meat loaf is salvaged mystery meat (plate
> scrapings) with lots of bread crumb filler.

No...it's not "plate scrapings"!

Good grief!

> Hmmm, their swordfish plate is a total rip off at thirty bucks...
> fresh caught (never frozen) on Lung Guyland would cost half that.

The YOU know where to go, right?

jmcquown

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:46:46 PM11/2/17
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On 11/2/2017 3:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?
>
No. Ed, if you do try the meatloaf please report back.

> A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet.  The other
> night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.
>
> http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html
>
That's an interesting menu. They call their onion soup "German Onion"
but it's just a twist on classic French Onion.

There was recently a discussion here about sharing food. Hey, their
appetizers are listed as "Share Plates". Would you need to request a
separate plate in order to share? Hmmmm. ;)

What else is $24? KENTUCKY CHICKEN All natural Statler breast, savory
dry rub, southern style Ivory bar-b-q sauce, stuffed sweet potato,
native corn pudding.

Okay, I've never heard of "southern style Ivory Bar-b-q sauce". Ivory?
As in, white sauce? I wonder what the sweet potato is stuffed with?
Inquiring minds want to know. Heheh.

A better question might be would you pay $22 for a "polenta cake"?! I
don't care how good the roasted vegetables and marinara sauce are...
that's way over the top for fried cornmeal.

Jill

Casa de los peregrinos

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:51:23 PM11/2/17
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On 11/2/2017 3:46 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> Okay, I've never heard of "southern style Ivory Bar-b-q sauce".  Ivory?
> As in, white sauce?


"Ivory" as in Mayo based slop/souce...


http://www.southernliving.com/food/how-to/a-north-alabama-favorite-white-bbq-sauce

"It’s the only sauce we know here, because it’s what everyone grows up
on," says world barbecue champion Chris Lilly of Big Bob Gibson Bar-B-Q
in Decatur, Alabama. Bob Gibson is credited with concocting white sauce
back in 1925. Today, this tangy, mayonnaise-based condiment,
traditionally used to dress chicken, is as synonymous with the state of
Alabama as legendary football coach Paul "Bear" Bryant. "We marinate
with it, use it to baste, plus we use it as an all-purpose table sauce,"
explains Chris.

Casa de los peregrinos

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:53:24 PM11/2/17
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Casa de los peregrinos was thinking very hard :
wertz forgery

jmcquown

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:54:23 PM11/2/17
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Even if you throw ground veal into the mix it likely wouldn't cost $24.
The cost of added vegetables (onion, celery), eggs and a binder (bread
crumbs, oatmeal, etc.) is negligible.

But hey, people pay for ambiance and convenience at a restaurant, not
for the ingredients. I don't make deep fried foods at home but I'll buy
it from a restaurant.

Jill

Dave Smith

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Nov 2, 2017, 5:58:37 PM11/2/17
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I guess the pasta and ragu ranks up there with the meatloaf for being
over-priced. It is curious that they are so expensive, considering that
there is a $14 burger. Then there is the polenta cake..... grits with
red sauce and a bit of ricotta for $22.

Casa de los peregrinos

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Nov 2, 2017, 6:07:16 PM11/2/17
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yes steve, you forged again.

jmcquown

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Nov 2, 2017, 6:10:23 PM11/2/17
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I noted the price of the polenta cake in another reply! Polenta is not
exactly the same as grits but I'll let that slide. ;)

Jill

Dave Smith

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Nov 2, 2017, 6:11:03 PM11/2/17
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On 2017-11-02 5:54 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/2/2017 5:29 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:22:43 -0400, Dave Smith
>>.
>>
> Even if you throw ground veal into the mix it likely wouldn't cost $24.
> The cost of added vegetables (onion, celery), eggs and a binder (bread
> crumbs, oatmeal, etc.) is negligible.

Veal should not affect the price much. I haven't seen straight ground
veal for sale on its own, but a couple places sell a pre mixed triple
mix of beef, pork and veal, and some sell packages with the three side
by side in a pack, and it is not much more than hamburger.

I am reminded of a local winery restaurant where we used to dine
occasionally, but their prices soared. The last time we were there was
at least 15 years ago and one of the items on the menu was vegetable
soup ...... $14.95 !!! WTH can you put in vegetable soup that would make
it worth that much?





Dave Smith

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Nov 2, 2017, 6:34:04 PM11/2/17
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Not exactly the same, but not a heck of a lot different. It is corn meal
mush ...porridge. I doubt that they spend the time cooking and
stirring for each serving. Calling it "cake" suggested that it is
pre-cooked and then cooled in a pan and heated up to order. It is way
over-priced.

jmcquown

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Nov 2, 2017, 6:39:41 PM11/2/17
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Truly! Those must have been some gold plated vegetables! LOL

Jill

jmcquown

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Nov 2, 2017, 7:05:44 PM11/2/17
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Yes, it's way over priced. And yes, it's chilled and sliced cornmeal
mush, likely pan fried. I can buy polenta in one pound "chubs" (like
ground sausage) in the freezer section. All I'd have to do for polenta
cakes is thaw, slice and fry it. It certainly doesn't cost $22. :)

Jill

Bruce

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Nov 2, 2017, 7:36:29 PM11/2/17
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:05:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Of course it's nonsense to compare restaurant prices to what the
ingredients would cost if you'd cook them yourself.

Ed Pawlowski

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Nov 2, 2017, 8:19:42 PM11/2/17
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There is a variation of Alabama sauce from Big Bob Gibson. I found this
https://lillies-q.myshopify.com/products/ivory

The sweet and tangy Northern Alabama original. We add a pinch of cayenne
to this traditional white barbeque sauce, making IVORY just right for
everything from chicken to fries.

And for Bruce:
ALL NATURAL INGREDIENTS:
Soybean oil, filtered water, cider vinegar, distilled vinegar, egg yolk,
sugar, salt, rosemary extract, lemon juice, lime juice, and natural spices.



Cheri

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Nov 2, 2017, 8:24:09 PM11/2/17
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"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
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> Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?
>
> A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet. The other
> night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.
>
> http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html
>
> I'm sure it would be good, the restaurant itself up up scale, but I just
> cannot think of a meatloaf being $24. Most family restaurants are closer
> to $10 for average and I expect to pay more for better. It has my
> curiosity and may just try it if we do go there. .


Some people have more money than sense if they pay 24.00 for meat loaf, but
not my money, so no problem.

Cheri

jmcquown

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Nov 2, 2017, 8:34:58 PM11/2/17
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On 11/2/2017 8:19 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/2/2017 5:46 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 11/2/2017 3:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?
>>>
>> No.  Ed, if you do try the meatloaf please report back.
>>
>>> A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet.  The
>>> other night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.
>>>
>>> http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html
>>>
>> That's an interesting menu.  They call their onion soup "German Onion"
>> but it's just a twist on classic French Onion.
>>
>> There was recently a discussion here about sharing food.  Hey, their
>> appetizers are listed as "Share Plates".  Would you need to request a
>> separate plate in order to share?  Hmmmm. ;)
>>
>> What else is $24?  KENTUCKY CHICKEN  All natural Statler breast,
>> savory dry rub, southern style Ivory bar-b-q sauce, stuffed sweet
>> potato, native corn pudding.
>>
>> Okay, I've never heard of "southern style Ivory Bar-b-q sauce".
>> Ivory? As in, white sauce?  I wonder what the sweet potato is stuffed
>> with? Inquiring minds want to know.  Heheh.
>>
> > Jill
>
> There is a variation of Alabama sauce from Big Bob Gibson.  I found this
> https://lillies-q.myshopify.com/products/ivory
>
> The sweet and tangy Northern Alabama original. We add a pinch of cayenne
> to this traditional white barbeque sauce, making IVORY just right for
> everything from chicken to fries.
>
That's the first I've ever heard of white barbeque sauce. Then again,
I've never looked for barbeque in Alabama. LOL I wonder why this
restaurant calls it Kentucky chicken? It's a strange concept at any
rate. Dry rub (I presume not just S&P) *and* barbeque sauce? I find
that odd.

> And for Bruce:
> ALL NATURAL INGREDIENTS:
> Soybean oil, filtered water, cider vinegar, distilled vinegar, egg yolk,
> sugar, salt, rosemary extract, lemon juice, lime juice, and natural spices.
>
LOL But what exactly are those "natural spices"?

Jill

Sqwertz

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Doris Night

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Nov 2, 2017, 9:51:27 PM11/2/17
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:12:19 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2017-11-02 5:54 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 11/2/2017 5:29 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:22:43 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>.
>>>
>> Even if you throw ground veal into the mix it likely wouldn't cost $24.
>> The cost of added vegetables (onion, celery), eggs and a binder (bread
>> crumbs, oatmeal, etc.) is negligible.
>
>Veal should not affect the price much. I haven't seen straight ground
>veal for sale on its own, but a couple places sell a pre mixed triple
>mix of beef, pork and veal, and some sell packages with the three side
>by side in a pack, and it is not much more than hamburger.

I can no longer get the beef/pork/veal mixture here. They used to sell
it at Metro, but the butcher now advises me that it never sold well,
and they ended up having to throw it out.

But Metro *does* sell ground veal alone. It's about the same price as
hamburger. Problem is, if you are making meatloaf, you end up with
three times as much meat as you need.

Doris

dsi1

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Nov 2, 2017, 10:25:14 PM11/2/17
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On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 9:29:09 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?
>
> A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet. The other
> night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.
>
> http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html
>
> I'm sure it would be good, the restaurant itself up up scale, but I just
> cannot think of a meatloaf being $24. Most family restaurants are
> closer to $10 for average and I expect to pay more for better. It has
> my curiosity and may just try it if we do go there. .

My guess is that you're going to try it and you'll think that it's just very good meatloaf - also that it's not worth $24. You will still be in the black because the time you'll save by not having to wonder about it will be worth a whole lot more than $24.

Julie Bove

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Nov 2, 2017, 10:45:42 PM11/2/17
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"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On 11/2/2017 3:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?
>>
> No. Ed, if you do try the meatloaf please report back.
>
>> A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet. The other
>> night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.
>>
>> http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html
>>
> That's an interesting menu. They call their onion soup "German Onion" but
> it's just a twist on classic French Onion.
>
> There was recently a discussion here about sharing food. Hey, their
> appetizers are listed as "Share Plates". Would you need to request a
> separate plate in order to share? Hmmmm. ;)

Most places that list food that way will provide each dinner with a little
plate whether they want it or not.

> What else is $24? KENTUCKY CHICKEN All natural Statler breast, savory
> dry rub, southern style Ivory bar-b-q sauce, stuffed sweet potato, native
> corn pudding.
>
> Okay, I've never heard of "southern style Ivory Bar-b-q sauce". Ivory? As
> in, white sauce? I wonder what the sweet potato is stuffed with?
> Inquiring minds want to know. Heheh.
>
> A better question might be would you pay $22 for a "polenta cake"?! I
> don't care how good the roasted vegetables and marinara sauce are...
> that's way over the top for fried cornmeal.

Yep.

I went to a graduation party some years ago at a restaurant at a fancy
hotel. The host made a big deal about the butter lettuce salad and said we
should all try it. In those days, the only lettuce commonly available in
grocery stores here was iceberg or Romaine. I was also familiar with leaf
having grown it in my garden. Yes, the butter lettuce was good but that was
literally the only thing on the plate unless you had dressing, which I
didn't. Not even so much as a tiny tomato or ring of onion. Very overpriced!

Now you can get butter lettuce most anywhere. Every time I see a head, I
think of that puny but fancy plate with what amounted to less than 1/4 of a
head of lettuce on it. No thanks.

Tonight we are having chicken and noodles with a salad on the side. For some
reason I found a bag of Woo Hoo Italian at Fred Meyers for 99 cents. Woo Hoo
= what some here would called "used". AKA marked down. I also added black
olives, cubes of Kerrigold Dublinger cheese, two chopped tomatoes and just
before serving will add a goodly handful of pecans or walnuts, whichever my
hand happens to grab first. Granted it's not butter lettuce but this salad
will be even better and each plate of it will cost far less than the salad
at that restaurant.

Wayne Boatwright

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Nov 2, 2017, 10:47:14 PM11/2/17
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On Thu 02 Nov 2017 06:51:24p, Doris Night told us...
How much meat do you have to buy? One pound of each? It would be
easy to divide each meat in half and freeze the portions to make a
second meatloaf weighing in at 1-1/2 pounds for each meatloaf. That
doesn't seem excessive.

When I have the butcher grind meat I sometimes have him grind two or
pounds each and parcel each type of meat into either one pound or 1/2
pound portions.

--

~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~

~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~

**********************************************************

Wayne Boatwright

penm...@aol.com

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Nov 2, 2017, 10:49:46 PM11/2/17
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Extremely over priced for a side in place of home fries with bacon and
eggs at any southern diner, for about five bucks... including
bottomless coffee.
Aboard ship I cdooked tons of grits, served right out of the pot or
cooled, cut into squares and fried or cooked on a large sheet pan in
the oven. The US military has a far greater proportion of southerners
than northerners, especially the Navy. Northerners didn't eat grits,
they ate home fries. Southerners ate everything... not anything...
EVERYTHING! Southerners ate like they never saw food before and like
every meal was their last... especially once they learned that
spaghetti wasn't worms. Most southerners never saw speghetti
previously... many southerners could polish off two pounds of
spaghetti, that is pre cooking weight... I shit you not (Navy speak).
Typical nautical nomenclature reserved for when describing *the best
pussy*.

Wayne Boatwright

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Nov 2, 2017, 10:50:26 PM11/2/17
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On Thu 02 Nov 2017 06:51:24p, Doris Night told us...

Skipping back to $24 meatloaf... It's fine with me if someone wants
to eat there and pay those prices for the types of food being
offered, but personally I think it's pretentious and the names of the
dishes are not only pretentious but silly. Regardless, their prices
are much too high for the type of food they're pawning off on the
public.

penm...@aol.com

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Nov 2, 2017, 11:05:29 PM11/2/17
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On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:36:24 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
But still, $22 for corn meal mush is beyond outrageous. Most greasy
spoons would serve a huge portion of grits with the $4.99 breakfast
special; 2 over easy, 2 sausage/bacon, toast, bottomless cawfee...
served by a zoftig gal reminding guys that their wives cheated them
out of what to do with their morning wood.

Dave Smith

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Nov 2, 2017, 11:12:15 PM11/2/17
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We all know that the price of ingredients is not the only factor in the
cost of menu items. Aside from rent, taxes, insurance, utilities, labour
is a major factor. We were talking about meatloaf and polenta, which
involve cheap ingredients and minimal labour. These two dishes appear
to have much higher markups than some of the other dishes.


Dave Smith

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Nov 2, 2017, 11:15:45 PM11/2/17
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No problem. Make a huge meatloaf. It's one thing that makes great
leftovers. If it is an especially good one it will make good sandwiches.

Bruce

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Nov 3, 2017, 12:13:52 AM11/3/17
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:23:33 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
To each their own, Cheri. I thought you knew that by now.

Bruce

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On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:51:24 -0400, Doris Night
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>On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:12:19 -0400, Dave Smith
><adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2017-11-02 5:54 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 11/2/2017 5:29 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:22:43 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>.
>>>>
>>> Even if you throw ground veal into the mix it likely wouldn't cost $24.
>>> The cost of added vegetables (onion, celery), eggs and a binder (bread
>>> crumbs, oatmeal, etc.) is negligible.
>>
>>Veal should not affect the price much. I haven't seen straight ground
>>veal for sale on its own, but a couple places sell a pre mixed triple
>>mix of beef, pork and veal, and some sell packages with the three side
>>by side in a pack, and it is not much more than hamburger.
>
>I can no longer get the beef/pork/veal mixture here.

Good, there's little more cruel than veal.

Bruce

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On Thu, 02 Nov 2017 23:05:21 -0400, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 10:36:24 +1100, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:05:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 11/2/2017 6:35 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> Not exactly the same, but not a heck of a lot different. It is corn meal
>>>> mush ...porridge.  I doubt that they spend the time cooking and
>>>> stirring for  each serving. Calling it "cake" suggested that it is
>>>> pre-cooked and then cooled in a pan and heated up to order. It is way
>>>> over-priced.
>>>>
>>>Yes, it's way over priced. And yes, it's chilled and sliced cornmeal
>>>mush, likely pan fried. I can buy polenta in one pound "chubs" (like
>>>ground sausage) in the freezer section. All I'd have to do for polenta
>>>cakes is thaw, slice and fry it. It certainly doesn't cost $22. :)
>>
>>Of course it's nonsense to compare restaurant prices to what the
>>ingredients would cost if you'd cook them yourself.
>
>But still, $22 for corn meal mush is beyond outrageous.

Yes.

Cheri

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"Bruce" <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Which is what I said, moron. Read for comprehension.

Cheri

Julie Bove

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Yukon gold potatoes?

Julie Bove

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Yep.

Julie Bove

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Please don't pick on him. I need him! Hehehe.

Julie Bove

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"Doris Night" <goodnig...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Meatloaf is one of the few things I will freeze. I make a ton at once. Only
have to make it once or twice a year as there is so much.

Julie Bove

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"Wayne Boatwright" <waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote in message
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It would seem if you are buying it from the butcher, you could just buy a
small amount.

Bruce

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:44:36 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
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Moron? That's not very nice, again. I might need a better role model.

Bruce

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Lol, thanks for the support.

Julie Bove

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"Dave Smith" <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Cold meatloaf sandwiches are one of the few things that I do like.

Julie Bove

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"Bruce" <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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(((Bruce)))

Julie Bove

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May I be your roll model?

Bruce

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On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 00:39:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:44:36 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bruce" <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:r6rnvc1q3q69gksuv...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:23:33 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Some people have more money than sense if they pay 24.00 for meat loaf,
>>>>>but
>>>>>not my money, so no problem.
>>>>
>>>> To each their own, Cheri. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>
>>>
>>>Which is what I said, moron. Read for comprehension.
>>
>> Moron? That's not very nice, again. I might need a better role model.
>
>May I be your roll model?

Yes, please. I'm firing Cheri.

Julie Bove

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"Bruce" <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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:)

Cindy Hamilton

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On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 3:29:09 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?

No, because I don't like meat loaf.

I just checked Zingerman's Roadhouse, which is my benchmark joint
for spending a ton of money on stuff you can make at home. Their
meatloaf was only $13.95. That's the Wednesday special, so perhaps
it's priced as a "loss leader" (heh). The rack rate on their
large macaroni and cheese dinner is $15.00. Fancy mac&cheese
(with either some sort of meat or goat cheese added) is $19.00.

<http://www.zingermansroadhouse.com/menus/>

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton

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On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 5:21:27 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-11-02 3:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?
> >
> > A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet.  The other
> > night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.
> >
> > http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html
> >
> > I'm sure it would be good, the restaurant itself up up scale, but I just
> > cannot think of a meatloaf being $24.  Most family restaurants are
> > closer to $10 for average and I expect to pay more for better.  It has
> > my curiosity and may just try it if we do go there.  .
>
> Most of the other choices look reasonable, but that meatloaf does seem
> to be overpriced. IMO it would be over priced if you got the whole loaf
> for that price.

If they charged the same as you'd pay to make it, they'd go out of
business.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton

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On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 5:46:46 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 11/2/2017 3:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?
> >
> No. Ed, if you do try the meatloaf please report back.
>
> > A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet.  The other
> > night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.
> >
> > http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html
> >
> That's an interesting menu. They call their onion soup "German Onion"
> but it's just a twist on classic French Onion.
>
> There was recently a discussion here about sharing food. Hey, their
> appetizers are listed as "Share Plates". Would you need to request a
> separate plate in order to share? Hmmmm. ;)
>
> What else is $24? KENTUCKY CHICKEN All natural Statler breast, savory
> dry rub, southern style Ivory bar-b-q sauce, stuffed sweet potato,
> native corn pudding.
>
> Okay, I've never heard of "southern style Ivory Bar-b-q sauce". Ivory?
> As in, white sauce? I wonder what the sweet potato is stuffed with?
> Inquiring minds want to know. Heheh.

Probably mayonnaise-based Alabama style.

<http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/big-bob-gibsons-alabama-white-bbq-sauce-recipe-1943078>

Cindy Hamilton

Bruce

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That's it.

Cindy Hamilton

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On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 5:58:37 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-11-02 5:33 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 11/2/2017 5:22 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> Most of the other choices look reasonable, but that meatloaf does seem
> >> to be overpriced.  IMO it would be over priced if you got the whole
> >> loaf for that price.
> >
> > Agreed!  Even if you personally grind the best cuts of beef, veal and
> > pork to make a meatloaf, it wouldn't cost $24.  Ed is right, people who
> > order it must be paying for the overall ambiance.  Either that or, as
> > lucretia suggested, the diners don't know how to make meatloaf so
> > they're willing to pay that much. :)
>
>
> I guess the pasta and ragu ranks up there with the meatloaf for being
> over-priced. It is curious that they are so expensive, considering that
> there is a $14 burger. Then there is the polenta cake..... grits with
> red sauce and a bit of ricotta for $22.

Why Is My Vegan Entrée as Expensive as the Meat?

<http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/03/menu-pricing-vegan-vegetarian-meat.html>

Cindy Hamilton

Cheri

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He's very needy and he needs someone to need him, so good on you. ;-)

Cheri


Cheri

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Believe me, Julie is a better role model for you and she seems to like you.
Win, win. LOL

Cheri

Ed Pawlowski

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On 11/2/2017 10:50 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> Skipping back to $24 meatloaf... It's fine with me if someone wants
> to eat there and pay those prices for the types of food being
> offered, but personally I think it's pretentious and the names of the
> dishes are not only pretentious but silly. Regardless, their prices
> are much too high for the type of food they're pawning off on the
> public.
>

It is the type that sells to the well to do tourists that come to town
on weekends, but they are closed on Sunday, the biggest tourist day.

I made meatloaf Wednesday. We'll get about 6 serving from it for less
than $8 including sides.

Dave Smith

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I did not suggest that they sell it for what it would cost me to make
it. I said that for that price you should get the entire meatloaf. That
would still provide them with lots of room for profit.


Doris Night

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On Fri, 03 Nov 2017 02:47:10 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
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>On Thu 02 Nov 2017 06:51:24p, Doris Night told us...
>
>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:12:19 -0400, Dave Smith
>> <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2017-11-02 5:54 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 11/2/2017 5:29 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:22:43 -0400, Dave Smith .
>>>>>
>>>> Even if you throw ground veal into the mix it likely wouldn't
>>>> cost $24. The cost of added vegetables (onion, celery), eggs and
>>>> a binder (bread crumbs, oatmeal, etc.) is negligible.
>>>
>>>Veal should not affect the price much. I haven't seen straight
>>>ground veal for sale on its own, but a couple places sell a pre
>>>mixed triple mix of beef, pork and veal, and some sell packages
>>>with the three side by side in a pack, and it is not much more
>>>than hamburger.
>>
>> I can no longer get the beef/pork/veal mixture here. They used to
>> sell it at Metro, but the butcher now advises me that it never
>> sold well, and they ended up having to throw it out.
>>
>> But Metro *does* sell ground veal alone. It's about the same price
>> as hamburger. Problem is, if you are making meatloaf, you end up
>> with three times as much meat as you need.
>>
>> Doris
>>
>
>How much meat do you have to buy? One pound of each? It would be
>easy to divide each meat in half and freeze the portions to make a
>second meatloaf weighing in at 1-1/2 pounds for each meatloaf. That
>doesn't seem excessive.

That's what I do.

Doris

Ed Pawlowski

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I've seen it as low as $9.95 but your price is reasonable for a decent
restaurant. In a more upscale place with a fancy mushroom sauce, 18 to
20 may be OK. Once you pass the $20 mark it needs to be called
something besides meatloaf, IMO.

notbob

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On 2017-11-03, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote:

> When I have the butcher grind meat.....

Whatsa "butcher"? ;)

nb

Dave Smith

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A nearby city is home to one of my favourite restaurants. It has an
eclectic menu with an assortment of Mexican, Thai, Indian and Japanese
dishes, craft beers and reasonable prices. They are closed on Sundays
and Mondays. The city hosts a special event on the long weekend in
August, running Friday to Monday. The place is absolutely packed on
Friday and Saturday, but they do not alter their hours to stay open for
the Sunday and Monday. It's a shame because they have already met their
static costs and could stand to make a bundle on the additional traffic.
They are also missing the opportunity to impress visitors to the city.

Casa de los peregrinos

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On 11/2/2017 10:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> I can no longer get the beef/pork/veal mixture here.
> Good, there's little more cruel than veal.


Bag it bully-troll, YOU are the living epitome of "cruel".

Casa de los peregrinos

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You need a pickaxe through your fatuous face, asshole.

Dave Smith

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A butcher is a place where you go to get good meat and good prices.
Thank goodness there are still a number of them in this area. We buy
almost all our meat from the local butcher shops. I get sticker shock
when I see the meat prices in grocery stores.

Casa de los peregrinos

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On 11/3/2017 1:39 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Bruce" <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ft1ovc5liep9tl8mm...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 22:44:36 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bruce" <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:r6rnvc1q3q69gksuv...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:23:33 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Some people have more money than sense if they pay 24.00 for meat
>>>>> loaf,
>>>>> but
>>>>> not my money, so no problem.
>>>>
>>>> To each their own, Cheri. I thought you knew that by now.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which is what I said, moron. Read for comprehension.
>>
>> Moron? That's not very nice, again. I might need a better role model.
>
> May I be your roll model?

Ding!!!

At least he won't be an ASSHOLE if you are!

Casa de los peregrinos

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jmcquown

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On 11/3/2017 10:26 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-11-03 10:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 11/2/2017 10:50 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> It is the type that sells to the well to do tourists that come to town
>> on weekends, but they are closed on Sunday, the biggest tourist day.
>>
>> I made meatloaf Wednesday. We'll get about 6 serving from it for less
>> than $8 including sides.
>
A much better price and I'm sure a delicious meat loaf! :)

> A nearby city is home to one of my favourite restaurants. It has an
> eclectic menu with an assortment of Mexican, Thai, Indian and Japanese
> dishes, craft beers and reasonable prices. They are closed on Sundays
> and Mondays.  The city hosts a special event on the long weekend in
> August, running Friday to Monday. The place is absolutely packed on
> Friday and Saturday, but they do not alter their hours to stay open for
> the Sunday and Monday.  It's a shame because they have already met their
> static costs and could stand to make a bundle on the additional traffic.
> They are also missing the opportunity to impress visitors to the city.

You speak of one restaurant. Their choice when it comes to operating hours.

Lots of restaurants in the Beaufort area are closed on Sunday and
Monday. Beaufort is basically a tourist town, although I can't figure
out what it is tourists come here to see. LOL

I doubt the restaurants would change their hours due to some special
event in the city unless they *knew* being open would net them a big
profit. There are a lot of restaurants in downtown Beaufort. Most are
within walking distance of one another. (But parking is difficult and
you have to feed parking meters now.) There's no guarantee of a lot of
patrons after an event at any one restaurant. Besides, they probably
enjoy having a couple of days off after the hectic Friday & Saturday
night crowds. :)

Jill

notbob

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On 2017-11-03, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

> on weekends, but they are closed on Sunday, the biggest tourist day.

What's up with dat!?

We have a Southpark historical re-creation section in Fairplay, CO. I
went to see it on a Sunday in the dead of Summer. It was closed.

DUH!!

Who's in charge, here!?

nb

jmcquown

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On 11/3/2017 10:32 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-11-03 10:25 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2017-11-03, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When I have the butcher grind meat.....
>>
>> Whatsa "butcher"?  ;)
>>
LOL nb!

> A butcher is a place where you go to get good meat and good prices.
> Thank goodness there are still a number of them in this area.  We buy
> almost all our meat from  the local butcher shops.  I get sticker shock
> when I see the meat prices in grocery stores.
>
There is one meat market/butcher shop in town and the prices are
exorbitant. Also, the woman fancies herself a chef so she and her
husband keep trying to push her homemade take-out meals when you get to
the checkout. John and I acquiesced once when we went there to buy a
couple of petite filets. We bought, and later tried, her lasagna. It
was dry and extremely bland. In a word: awful.

I can and do find very good cuts of meat at Publix grocery store.

Jill

jmcquown

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On 11/3/2017 10:55 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-11-03, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>> on weekends, but they are closed on Sunday, the biggest tourist day.
>
> What's up with dat!?
>
Tons of restaurants aren't open on Sunday. Ditto on Monday.

> We have a Southpark historical re-creation section in Fairplay, CO. I
> went to see it on a Sunday in the dead of Summer. It was closed.
>
> DUH!!
>
> Who's in charge, here!?
>
> nb
> 'Southpark' the animated TV show or... I hope you mean the South Park
City Museum! Surely they publish the hours of operation?

Jill

Cheri

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"Casa de los peregrinos" <jor...@del.muerto> wrote in message
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LOL

tert in seattle

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yeah but is it Red Barn meatloaf ??

Taxed and Spent

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and he has to wash his own dishes.

Cindy Hamilton

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We've got two butchers in town:

<http://www.sparrowmarket.com/>
<http://www.knightsrestaurants.com/knights-market/>

Sorry that you live in the ass-end of nowhere.

Cindy Hamilton

notbob

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On 2017-11-03, Cindy Hamilton <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry that you live in the ass-end of nowhere.

Why?

Eating out of McD's ass is not what I consider "somewhere". ;)

nb

Casa de los peregrinos

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Casa de los peregrinos expressed precisely :
forged by wertz.

Casa de los peregrinos

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It happens that Casa de los peregrinos formulated :
> On 11/2/2017 3:53 PM, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>> Casa de los peregrinos was thinking very hard :
>>> On 11/2/2017 3:24 PM, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:10:49 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:29:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet.  The other
>>>>>> night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure it would be good, the restaurant itself up up scale, but I
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> cannot think of a meatloaf being $24.  Most family restaurants are
>>>>>> closer to $10 for average and I expect to pay more for better.  It has
>>>>>> my curiosity and may just try it if we do go there.  .
>>>>>
>>>>> The meatloaf shouldn't be $10 more than the mussels, and only ~10%
>>>>> less than the other fish/shellfish entrees.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> I'd not patronize any US restaurant that doesn't know to use dollar
>>>> sign$... took me a few moments to figure those stand alone numbers
>>>> weren't how many servings... those numbers lacking ddollar signs tell
>>>> me from teh get-go that the joint is smarmy.
>>>
>>> Oh good grief!
>>>
>>> It's pretty much standard notation in any upscale menu now, get with
>>> today!
>>>
>>>> Restaurant meat loaf dinner should never be more than $8... Blue Plate
>>>> Special = Meat Loaf, Mashed w/Gravy, Buttered Veg in Season...
>>>> Bread/Butter.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>>> There's fancy schmancy meat loaf that may cost more
>>>> (terrines), but typical meat loaf should cost less than a mystery meat
>>>> burger... restaurant meat loaf is salvaged mystery meat (plate
>>>> scrapings) with lots of bread crumb filler.
>>>
>>> No...it's not "plate scrapings"!
>>>
>>> Good grief!
>>>
>>>> Hmmm, their swordfish plate is a total rip off at thirty bucks...
>>>> fresh caught (never frozen) on Lung Guyland would cost half that.
>>>
>>> The YOU know where to go, right?
>>>
>> wertz forgery
>
> yes steve, you forged again.
>
Idiot!

Cindy Hamilton

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I took your "what's a butcher?" to mean that you live someplace
without a butcher and had to rely on grocery store meat.

Cindy Hamilton

Casa de los peregrinos

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Ever seen the mountains up his way?

Nothing at all to be sorry about.

Plus he can slide over to:

https://www.yelp.com/biz/scanga-meat-salida

Casa de los peregrinos

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Nov 3, 2017, 3:58:21 PM11/3/17
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racist wertz forgery.

Casa de los peregrinos

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Nov 3, 2017, 3:58:33 PM11/3/17
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On 11/3/2017 11:30 AM, Casa de los peregrinos wrote:
>> yes steve, you forged again.
>>
> Idiot!

racist wertz forgery.

Bruce

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On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 20:19:37 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

>On 11/2/2017 5:46 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 11/2/2017 3:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> Would you pay $24 for a meatloaf dinner?
>>>
>> No.  Ed, if you do try the meatloaf please report back.
>>
>>> A new restaurant opened in town and we've not tried it yet.  The other
>>> night I checked out the menu and found they have meatloaf for $24.
>>>
>>> http://www.elizabethsfarmhouse.com/dinner.html
>>>
>> That's an interesting menu.  They call their onion soup "German Onion"
>> but it's just a twist on classic French Onion.
>>
>> There was recently a discussion here about sharing food.  Hey, their
>> appetizers are listed as "Share Plates".  Would you need to request a
>> separate plate in order to share?  Hmmmm. ;)
>>
>> What else is $24?  KENTUCKY CHICKEN  All natural Statler breast, savory
>> dry rub, southern style Ivory bar-b-q sauce, stuffed sweet potato,
>> native corn pudding.
>>
>> Okay, I've never heard of "southern style Ivory Bar-b-q sauce".  Ivory?
>> As in, white sauce?  I wonder what the sweet potato is stuffed with?
>> Inquiring minds want to know.  Heheh.
>>
>> A better question might be would you pay $22 for a "polenta cake"?!  I
>> don't care how good the roasted vegetables and marinara sauce are...
>> that's way over the top for fried cornmeal.
>>
>> Jill
>
>There is a variation of Alabama sauce from Big Bob Gibson. I found this
>https://lillies-q.myshopify.com/products/ivory
>
>The sweet and tangy Northern Alabama original. We add a pinch of cayenne
>to this traditional white barbeque sauce, making IVORY just right for
>everything from chicken to fries.
>
>And for Bruce:
>ALL NATURAL INGREDIENTS:
>Soybean oil, filtered water, cider vinegar, distilled vinegar, egg yolk,
>sugar, salt, rosemary extract, lemon juice, lime juice, and natural spices.

See, it's possible. Even prefab products don't have to be horrible
science projects.

cshenk

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Nov 3, 2017, 4:51:00 PM11/3/17
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jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 11/2/2017 6:35 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2017-11-02 6:10 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > On 11/2/2017 5:59 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2017-11-02 5:33 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > On 11/2/2017 5:22 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Most of the other choices look reasonable, but that
> > > > > > meatloaf does seem to be overpriced.  IMO it would be
> > > > > > over priced if you got the whole loaf for that price.
> > > > >
> > > > > Agreed!  Even if you personally grind the best cuts of beef,
> > > > > veal and pork to make a meatloaf, it wouldn't cost $24.  Ed
> > > > > is right, people who order it must be paying for the overall
> > > > > ambiance.  Either that or, as lucretia suggested, the
> > > > > diners don't know how to make meatloaf so they're willing to
> > > > > pay that much. :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess the pasta and ragu ranks up there with the meatloaf for
> > > > being over-priced. It is curious that they are so expensive,
> > > > considering that there is a $14 burger.  Then there is the
> > > > polenta cake..... grits with red sauce and a bit of ricotta
> > > > for $22.
> > >
> > > I noted the price of the polenta cake in another reply!  Polenta
> > > is not exactly the same as grits but I'll let that slide. ;)
> >
> > Not exactly the same, but not a heck of a lot different. It is corn
> > meal  mush ...porridge.  I doubt that they spend the time
> > cooking and stirring for  each serving. Calling it "cake"
> > suggested that it is pre-cooked and then cooled in a pan and
> > heated up to order. It is way over-priced.
> >
> Yes, it's way over priced. And yes, it's chilled and sliced cornmeal
> mush, likely pan fried. I can buy polenta in one pound "chubs" (like
> ground sausage) in the freezer section. All I'd have to do for
> polenta cakes is thaw, slice and fry it. It certainly doesn't cost
> $22. :)
>
> Jill

One of the ones tht irritates me is the delivery 'gourmet' dinner boxes
at 9.95 per serving and they claim to be cheaper than home cooking.

They are not cheaper. What they do is add one oddball ingredient that
only a bulk buyer can get and isnt even even essential to the dish and
use that to base as 'cheaper'.

A 5 year old can see though it if you play the pennies game.

--

Dave Smith

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Nov 3, 2017, 5:44:41 PM11/3/17
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On 2017-11-03 10:46 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 11/3/2017 10:26 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> static costs and could stand to make a bundle on the additional
>> traffic. They are also missing the opportunity to impress visitors to
>> the city.
>
> You speak of one restaurant.  Their choice when it comes to operating
> hours.

True. I thought they might have made an exception for the Canal Days
event and stayed open for the Sunday and Monday. Most restaurants try
hard to draw customers and attract new business. They had the perfect
opportunity. Most people eating there during the event would be
impressed and be likely to return, and maybe tell their friends. Those
who went to the event on Sunday and Monday would only know there was a
place there that seemed to be closed.

Julie Bove

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"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:19OdnZY2ua8xS2HE...@giganews.com...
They also make the claim that there is no waste. It's as though they think
we all toss out extra ingredients. Gee... 1 teaspoon of cinnamon? And I have
most of this whole bottle left. Guess I'll have to throw it out. What a
waste! I mean... Who does that?

Wayne Boatwright

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Nov 3, 2017, 8:15:51 PM11/3/17
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On Fri 03 Nov 2017 07:02:06a, Ed Pawlowski told us...

> On 11/2/2017 10:50 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>
>> Skipping back to $24 meatloaf... It's fine with me if someone
>> wants to eat there and pay those prices for the types of food
>> being offered, but personally I think it's pretentious and the
>> names of the dishes are not only pretentious but silly.
>> Regardless, their prices are much too high for the type of food
>> they're pawning off on the public.
>>
>
> It is the type that sells to the well to do tourists that come to
> town on weekends, but they are closed on Sunday, the biggest
> tourist day.
>
> I made meatloaf Wednesday. We'll get about 6 serving from it for
> less than $8 including sides.
>

That certainly makes sense!

--

~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~

~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~

**********************************************************

Wayne Boatwright

Wayne Boatwright

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Nov 3, 2017, 8:21:30 PM11/3/17
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On Fri 03 Nov 2017 07:55:36a, notbob told us...
Obviously not you. :-)

Wayne Boatwright

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On Fri 03 Nov 2017 07:25:06a, notbob told us...

> On 2017-11-03, Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> When I have the butcher grind meat.....
>
> Whatsa "butcher"? ;)
>
> nb
>

A butcher is a person who may slaughter animals, dress their flesh,
sell their meat or participate within any combination of these three
tasks.[1] They may prepare standard cuts of meat and poultry for sale
in retail or wholesale food establishments. A butcher may be employed
by supermarkets, grocery stores, butcher shops and fish markets,
slaughter house, or may be self-employed

graham

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Nov 3, 2017, 11:38:35 PM11/3/17
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On 2017-11-03 9:29 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017 23:05:12 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:


Here in Texas we go to the $10 meatloaf restaurants packing guns. the
$24 meatloaf restaurants don't allow open carry, so they're less safe.

-sw
> Is there an IQ contest I don't know about?
>
> -sw
>

Evidently!

Bruce

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Nov 3, 2017, 11:49:40 PM11/3/17
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lol

Bruce

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On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 23:09:12 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:
>You definitley failed the IQ test here. Leading the pack is Julie,
>then Bruce, and Graham a distant 3rd.

I'm the second most intelligent here? Not that it surprises me, but
how would you know?

Sqwertz

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On 11/3/2017 9:13 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> false advertising to
> their investors.
>
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> Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.
>
> -sw
>
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>
> I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
> There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.
>
>
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>
> Hide the Ho Ho's!!!!!!!!!!
>
> - sw

Sqwertz

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On 11/3/2017 9:27 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Here in Texas we go to the $10 meatloaf restaurants packing guns.
>
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