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Aina Nilsen

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Mar 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/3/99
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I got this torte in Rheinland in Germany serveral times, but has never been
able to find the recipe. It is some layered yellow spongecake with a cream
I fail to indentify, it was frosted with chocolate in the same way as
Sachertorte. Does anyone know this?

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Aina

M.Sommer

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from " Ich helf Dir kochen", Hedwig Maria Stuber , page 384

Herrentorte

250 g soft butter
250 g sugar
4 eggs
1 teasp. Vanilla
1 teasp. ground cinnamon
1 teasp. cocoa
250 g flour
1 package baking-powder ca. 4 teasp.
1/8 litre red wine
100 g pieces of chocolate
3 tblsp. apricot- or current-marmalade
1 cup chocolate frost

preheat oven to 180°C
beat butter until creamy add sugar and eggs and beat until very creamy. add
vanilla, cinnamon and cocoa. stir bakingpowder with flour, sift and stir under
the egg-mixture alternate with red wine, and finally add the chocolate pieces.
fill in the cake form ( case) and bake for ca. one hour.
heat the marmalade a bit, and pass (?) it over the cake, then put the chocolate
frost on it.

Sorry for any bad choice of words, i hope you understand it anyway
bye
Melanie

Aina Nilsen wrote:

> I got this torte in Rheinland in Germany serveral times, but has never been
> able to find the recipe.

> --
> Aina


Diane Duane

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Hi Aina!

>I got this torte in Rheinland in Germany serveral times, but has never been

>able to find the recipe. It is some layered yellow spongecake with a cream
>I fail to indentify, it was frosted with chocolate in the same way as
>Sachertorte. Does anyone know this?

I have *a* Herrentorte recipe with strawberries in it, but the sponge layers
seem to be chocolate as well as the cream....

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Herrentorte mit Erdbeeren (Herrentorte with Strawberries)
Categories: Cakes
Yield: 12 Servings

4 Eggs
200 g Sugar
1 pk Vanilla Sugar
1 pn Salt
80 g Flour
80 g MSG (optional)
4 tb Cocoa powder
1 ts Baking powder
800 g Whipping cream
4 tb Coffee liqueur (Kahlua, etc)
100 g Bittersweet chocolate
1 ts Coffee
Strawberries for decoration

Separate the eggs. Beat the egg whites until stiff. Gradually add 70
g of the sugar while beating: reserve the rest.

Beat together the egg yolks and 4 tablespoons of hot water until
creamy. Add the remaining sugar, vanilla sugar, and the salt; beat
until frothy. Fold the beaten egg whites into the egg yolk mixture.
Slowly add the flour, MSG, 2 Tablespoons of the cocoa, and the
baking powder. Combine gently with a whisk.

Cover the bottom of a 26-cm diameter springform pan with baking
parchment. Fill with the cake mixture and smooth the top. Bake in an
oven preheated to 200C for about 20 minutes. On removing from the
oven, carefully use a knife to free the edges of the cake from the
sides of the springform: remove the cake and cool on a rack. When
cool, cut into three layers horizontally.

For the filling: beat together 500g of the whipping cream and the
coffee liqueur. Finely chop or shave the chocolate and fold it into
the cream.

Reassemble the springform and put the bottom layer of the cake into
it. Frost it with half chocolate cream and add the second layer:
frost again with the second half of the chocolate cream. Cover with
the third layer.

Remove the sides of the springform pan. Beat most of the remaining
cream and cover the sides of the cake with two thirds of it.
Combine the rest of the cocoa with the remaining cream and the
coffee and top the cake with it: use a "cake comb" to finish, or
swirl decoratively with an icing knife.

To finish, put the remaining cream in a piping bag with a "star"
nozzle and pipe 12 small "nests" on the cake. Put a strawberry in
each one.

From "Mini", 12 / 1997: translated by Diane Duane

MMMMM

I think there are a lot of other recipes for Herrentorte flying around the
various German newsgroups...shall I have a look for some more of them for you?



BrigitteJ

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Mar 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/3/99
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Aina Nilsen wrote in message ...

>I got this torte in Rheinland in Germany serveral times, but has never been
>able to find the recipe. It is some layered yellow spongecake with a cream
>I fail to indentify, it was frosted with chocolate in the same way as
>Sachertorte. Does anyone know this?
>
>--
>Aina
>
>


Dear Aina,

I see that you asked that same question (in german) to a german newsgroup.
May I suggest 2 things:

1. do a powersearch in www.dejanews.com with Herrentorte and Rezept, or
Herrentorte and recipe, as keywords. You will get several posts in german.
But none of these recipes have a yellow spongecake. They all use a chocolate
cake base.

2. post your request in de.rec.mampf, you might be luckier.


Godd luck!

Brigitte

(to email me, just drop the egg!)

Author: Volker Englisch <e...@rabbit.rv.sub.org>
Date: 1997/03/22
Forum: de.rec.mampf


MMMMM----- Recipe via Rezepti 1.1, Format Meal-Master

Title: Herrentorte mit Erdbeeren
Categories: Backen, Torte
Yield: 12 Stücke

4 Eier
200 g Zucker
1 pk Vanillin-Zucker
1 pn Salz
80 g Mehl
80 g Speisestärke
4 tb Kakaopulver
1 ts Backpulver (gestrichener)
800 g Schlagsahne
4 tb Kaffeelikör
100 g Zartbitter-Schokolade
1 ts löslicher Kaffee
Erdbeeren zum Verzieren


Eier trennen. Das Eiweiß steif schlagen. Dabei nach und nach 70 g Zucker
einrieseln lassen. Eigelb und 4 EL heißes Wasser cremig schlagen. Den
restlichen Zucker, den Vanillin-Zucker und das Salz hinzufügen und das Ganze
schaumig schlagen. Den Eischnee auf die Eigelbcreme gleiten lassen. Mehl,
Speisestärke, 2 EL Kakao und das Backpulver darübersieben. Mit einem
Schneebesen locker unterheben.

Boden einer Springform (26 cm Durchmesser) mit Backpapier auslegen. Die
Biskuitmasse einfüllen und glattstreichen. Im vorgeheizten Backofen bei 200
Grad etwa 20 Minuten backen. Den Biskuit vorsichtig mit einem Messer vom
Rand lösen und auf dem Kuchengitter auskühlen lassen. Dann den Boden
waagerecht zweimal durchschneiden.

Zum Füllen der Torte 500 g Schlagsahne und den Kaffeelikör steif schlagen.
Die Schokolade fein hacken und unter die Sahne heben.

Um den unteren Boden Springformrand legen. Boden mit der Hälfte der
Schokocreme bestreichen. Mit letztem Boden bedecken.

Den Formrand lösen. Die restliche Sahne steif schlagen und die Torte
rundherum mit zwei Dritteln der Sahne bestreichen. Das restl. Kakaopulver
mit dem löslichen Kaffee mischen, die Torte damit bestäuben und mit einem
Tortenkamm verzieren.

Zum Schluß die restliche Sahne in einen Spritzbeutel mit Sterntülle füllen
und 12 gleich große Tuffs auf die Torte spritzen. Die Erdbeeren waschen und
putzen. In Viertel schneiden und locker in die Sahnetuffs stecken.

Stefanie Bruninghaus

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Mar 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/3/99
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Hm, are you sure that the recipe calls for 80 grams of MSG
(Geschmacksverstaerker)? Another posted recipe suggests that this should
perhaps be starch.

Diane Duane wrote:

> MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05
>
> Title: Herrentorte mit Erdbeeren (Herrentorte with Strawberries)
> Categories: Cakes
> Yield: 12 Servings
>
> 4 Eggs
> 200 g Sugar
> 1 pk Vanilla Sugar
> 1 pn Salt
> 80 g Flour
> 80 g MSG (optional)
> 4 tb Cocoa powder
> 1 ts Baking powder
> 800 g Whipping cream
> 4 tb Coffee liqueur (Kahlua, etc)
> 100 g Bittersweet chocolate
> 1 ts Coffee
> Strawberries for decoration

>

--
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Stefanie Bruninghaus
Learning Research and Development Center Mail: ste...@pitt.edu
University of Pittsburgh Web: www.pitt.edu/~steffi
3939 O'Hara Street Phone: (412) 624 - 6748
Pittsburgh, PA 15260 -- USA Fax: (412) 624 - 9149
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Aina Nilsen

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Mar 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/4/99
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I didn't get any answers in the German group, that is why I tried to ask
here. I have looked and searched on the net for the cake, but as you said,
it seems to be only the chocolate cake base that has been posted. That is
not the cake I'm looking for, the one I got in Bonn and Moenchengladbach was
yellow with only the chocolate frosting. It seems as if the name
Herrentorte is used for many different cakes. I will try to ask in the
other group you recommended, thank you for the suggestion.

Aina

BrigitteJ skrev i meldingen
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>Dear Aina,
>
>I see that you asked that same question (in german) to a german newsgroup.
>May I suggest 2 things:
>
>1. do a powersearch in www.dejanews.com with Herrentorte and Rezept, or
>Herrentorte and recipe, as keywords. You will get several posts in german.
>But none of these recipes have a yellow spongecake. They all use a
chocolate
>cake base.
>
>2. post your request in de.rec.mampf, you might be luckier.
>
>
>Godd luck!
>
>Brigitte
>
>(to email me, just drop the egg!)
>

>snip

Diane Duane

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Mar 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/4/99
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On Wed, 03 Mar 1999 12:40:34 -0500, Stefanie Bruninghaus <ste...@pitt.edu>
wrote:

>Hm, are you sure that the recipe calls for 80 grams of MSG
>(Geschmacksverstaerker)? Another posted recipe suggests that this should
>perhaps be starch.

WHOOPS! You're right...that was a mistranslation.

What kind of starch would be used? Cornstarch/cornflour? Or potato starch
perhaps? The original term was "Speisestaerke".

(Let me know and I'll hunt down that original recipe, kill it, and repost.)

Thanks! --Diane

Jenny Herl

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Aina Nilsen wrote:
>
> I didn't get any answers in the German group, that is why I tried to ask
> here. I have looked and searched on the net for the cake, but as you said,
> it seems to be only the chocolate cake base that has been posted. That is
> not the cake I'm looking for, the one I got in Bonn and Moenchengladbach was
> yellow with only the chocolate frosting. It seems as if the name
> Herrentorte is used for many different cakes. I will try to ask in the
> other group you recommended, thank you for the suggestion.


I found a recipe at:
http://www.affentaler.de/kochbuch/kuchen/herren.htm

It is in German, so let me know if you need a translation. (Although
there is one ingredient--Mondamin--that I am not familiar with.) It
looks like a yellow sponge cake with a vanilla cream filling and a
chocolate glaze.

rebecca didt

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Mar 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/4/99
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>From the look of the recipe, I'd say you'd be safe with cornflour - I
think it's called corn starch in Am. english. A lot of German cake
recipes call for cornflour. I don't actually have a recipe for
Herrentorte, but if I should stumble across one, I'll certainly post
it. Cheers! - Rebecca

BrigitteJ

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Jenny Herl wrote

>
>I found a recipe at:
>http://www.affentaler.de/kochbuch/kuchen/herren.htm
>
>It is in German, so let me know if you need a translation. (Although
>there is one ingredient--Mondamin--that I am not familiar with.) It
>looks like a yellow sponge cake with a vanilla cream filling and a
>chocolate glaze.


If I remember correctly, Mondamin is a brandname of a cornstarch.

Melanie Sommer

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The most popular sold cornstarch is named mondamin in germany, here it´s
made of potatoes. but I think that`s rather alike for cakes.
Melanie

rebecca didt

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BrigitteJ wrote:

> If I remember correctly, Mondamin is a brandname of a cornstarch.
>

You do. There's a box of it in my kitchen cupboard. - Rebecca

Aina Nilsen

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I'm pretty sure that both cornstarch and potato starch would work fine here.

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Aina
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Aina Nilsen

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Mar 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/5/99
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Thank you!!! It really looks like the cake I remember, I will try it this
weekend. I had assumed that I could make sponge cake for the cake itself,
but never found out how to make the cream, the wine and marzipan is
probably what makes it different from a regular vanilla cream. I do speak
German, so there is no problem with the language. And as the others
mentioned, the Mondamin is starch, so I know how to replace that and I hope
any Riesling will do the trick for the wine part.

--
Again, thank you

Aina


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>Aina Nilsen wrote:
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol

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Aina Nilsen wrote in message ...
>I do speak
>German, so there is no problem with the language. And as the others
>mentioned, the Mondamin is starch, so I know how to replace that and I hope
>any Riesling will do the trick for the wine part.


If the recipe turns out as yummy as it sounds, would you mind translating
the recipe for those of us poor linguistically-challenged folks? Pretty
please?

BrigitteJ

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote

<snip>


>If the recipe turns out as yummy as it sounds, would you mind translating
>the recipe for those of us poor linguistically-challenged folks? Pretty
>please?


I am not Aina, and I have not tried the recipe, but here is the translation
of the recipe she requested. I also added British and American measurements.


Herrentorte

For the cake

200 g (7 oz) [7/8 cup] sugar
10 egg yolks
7 egg whites
180 g (6 1/3 oz) [1 1/2 cup] flour
80 g (3 oz) [6 Tb] unsalted butter, melted
1 lemon
chocolate glaze

For the filling


150 g (5 1/3 oz) [2/3 cup] unsalted butter
50 g (1 3/4 oz) [1/4 cup] Crisco (shortening)
250 ml (8 3/4 fl.oz) [1 cup] vanilla pudding
200 ml (7 fl.oz) [3/4 cup + 1 Tb] Riesling (dry white wine)
100 g (3 1/2 oz) [3/8 cup + 1 Tb] sugar
1 egg yolk
25 g (1 oz) [1/4 cup] cornstarch
50 ml (1 3/4 fl.oz) [3 Tb] Cognac or Grand Marnier
150 g (5 1/3 oz) marzipan (almond paste)
juice of 1 lemon


Preparation of the cake:
Cream 10 egg yolks with 150g (5 1/3 oz) [2/3 cup] sugar.
Beat egg whites with the rest of the sugar (50g = 1 3/4 oz = 1/4 cup) until
firm.
Add the flour to the egg/sugar mixture, then the eggwhites, finally the
melted butter.
Draw 5 circles on parchment paper. Divide the dough into 5 equal parts, and
spread inside the circles. Bake for about 5 minutes at 200蚓 (390蚌). Then
peel the paper off.

For the filling:

Mix wine, sugar, cornstarch, egg yolk and liquor in a saucepan. Bring to a
boil.
Add to pudding. Cream butter and shortening. Knead almond paste with a
little bit of milk, until soft. Mix with butter/shortening, then add pudding
mixture little by little.
Mix until nice and fluffy.

When the cake layers have cooled off, put cream between all layers, as well
as on top and around the cake.
Then glaze the whole cake with chocolate.

Aina Nilsen

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Mar 8, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/8/99
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Unfortunately the flue caught up with me, so no baking was done this
weekend. I will try to tell you how it was later on. Since BrigitteJ kindly
has translated the recipe, I assume you might try it before I'm up to it.
It really sounds like the original cake, and believe me, it is not without
reason that I have looked for that recipe in cookbooks for years, it really
tastes yummy.

--


Aina
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>
>Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote
>
><snip>
>>If the recipe turns out as yummy as it sounds, would you mind translating
>>the recipe for those of us poor linguistically-challenged folks? Pretty
>>please?
>
>
>I am not Aina, and I have not tried the recipe, but here is the translation
>of the recipe she requested. I also added British and American
measurements.
>

snip


ro...@cd.mbn.or.jp

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In article <7bvq8k$62sq$2...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>,

"BrigitteJ" <brig...@prodigy.net.egg> wrote:
>
> Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote
>
> <snip>
> >If the recipe turns out as yummy as it sounds, would you mind translating
> >the recipe for those of us poor linguistically-challenged folks? Pretty
> >please?
>
> I am not Aina, and I have not tried the recipe, but here is the translation
> of the recipe she requested. I also added British and American measurements.
>
Thanks so much for taking the time to translate this for us! It looks
delicious!

>

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