Question about giving Uniprim powder
Laurel Reddick
sinus infection. Vet says give one scoop of Uniprim once per day. My
usual method is to mix meds. in Pepto Bismol and syringe it in like
wormer(lip smacking with the Pepto <g>). I found that to make a
suspension with the Pepto took two full syringes (10 c.c's) and then
it globbed up in the syringe. I could get it into suspension with the
Pepto if I could give 1/2 the dose at breakfast and 1/2 at dinner. But
do they need the full dose at one time so they have a big zap of the
stuff? Any tips on getting them to eat it appreciated as well--it is
pretty bitter stuff (I tasted it and ugh!). It is hard to get bitter
stuff down my giraffe Roonie (just kidding he is a 23 yr. old paint).
Laurel
Tara
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I've never had a problem with a horse refusing Uniprim/Tucoprim when its in
their feed but then I wet everyone's feed which binds powders so they can't
be sifted. A touch of molasses or applesauce can further serve to make it
appealing. I'm not sure about cutting the dose in half as I think it would
be too weak to much during the interval between feedings. Could you do two
syringes back to back or will he refuse the second?
Tara
Laurel Reddick
>I've never had a problem with a horse refusing Uniprim/Tucoprim when its in
>their feed but then I wet everyone's feed which binds powders so they can't
>be sifted. A touch of molasses or applesauce can further serve to make it
>appealing. I'm not sure about cutting the dose in half as I think it would
>be too weak to much during the interval between feedings. Could you do two
>syringes back to back or will he refuse the second?
to the second it had sort of gummed up and I couldn't move the
plunger. I think it sets up pretty quickly so it has to mixed with
the Pepto and put down the high headed giraffe's throat asap. I'll
buy something a bit tasty grain wise and try mixing it. Currently he
gets a pretty bland Carb Care pellet that he just tolerates and if I
put something bitter into he will snub it. Picky boy.
Laurel
Jane Saranac
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Hi Laurel,
When our horses were sick we gave them the uniprim in a syringe with either
apple juice or
pear juice. They still didn't love it, but no one violently refused, we
were able to dose them
all just fine, and we gave them probiotics too while they were on the
antibiotic.
JJ
I feel your pain. As Comet will even refuse to eat the yummiest of sweet
feeds if there is anything in it. At all! I'll be following along for
future ideas too.
As for splitting the dose. I'm not a vet but I don't think that's a good
idea. Good luck.
--
JJ
Dawn Jones-Low
My yearling filly opens her mouth for the syringe of Uniprim in water
with a bit of molasses (a "glob" mixed in). I have to "ask" her to
give it back. (She has a mild upper respiratory infection so the vet
prescribed the antibiotics.) She likes her meds!
The Uniprim/Tucuprim/SMZ-TMP oral antibiotics don't seem to have a
bitter or foul taste. Only the really picky (cat-like picky) horses
won't take it willingly via syringe or eat it in concentrates.
Now Bute has a big bitter yucky taste, but I use Equioxx (firocoxib)
when an NSAID is needed. (As per my vet, I actually the canine
version of firocoxib called Previcox 'cuz it is MUCH* cheaper though
technically an off-label use. Due to differences in sensitivity, an
adult horse gets the same dose of firocoxib as a small dog!) When I
was treating her for the acute laminitis, Joy was eating a 1/4 tab of
the large dog Previcox right in with her IR supplement pellets (she's
not on any concentrates).
Dawn JL
Sue Leopold
Ask your vet for a 60 cc syringe. I use these all the time when
I have to give meds that won't fit in a 10 cc. The nice thing is
that you can use extra Pepto if you like to cut the bitterness.
The downside is that a 60 cc syringe is a handful! Don't
fill it up all the way so you can still use it one-handed.
Good luck.
Jane Saranac
"Sue Leopold" <svle...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Ask your vet for a 60 cc syringe. I use these all the time when
> I have to give meds that won't fit in a 10 cc. The nice thing is
> that you can use extra Pepto if you like to cut the bitterness.
I wasn't paying attention. That is what we used to give the uniprim to
our horses, too... 60 ml/cc syringe, with pear juice or apple juice
mixed with the powder.
I couldn't envision trying to cram it into 10 ml syringes.
Dawn Jones-Low
> Laurel Reddick <lred...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > Hi I have a question about administering Uniprim powder. (snip)
> Ask your vet for a 60 cc syringe. I use these all the time when
> I have to give meds that won't fit in a 10 cc. The nice thing is
> that you can use extra Pepto if you like to cut the bitterness.
>
> The downside is that a 60 cc syringe is a handful! Don't
> fill it up all the way so you can still use it one-handed.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Sue
Make sure you ask for a 60cc dose syringe. The tip of a dose syringe
is *really wide* for administering oral meds/fluids rather than
designed to fit a needle for injection (there are injection tip 60cc
syringes).
Dawn JL
(hoping google groups is behaving and not double posting)
Laurel Reddick
didn't go out and buy any tasty feed, so I will go with mixing with
apple juice in the morning. Then I will pick up a great big honking
syringe at the horse pharmacy tomorrow. He loves his Pepto-Bismol.
And for sure I will keep him going with his probiotics. He is a
little better today--wow was the drainage from one nostril putrid! Vet
still queries nerve root problem, but leans toward a sinus. He had a
big IM of long acting pencillin yesterday to jump start the healing,
Laurel
Laurel Reddick
<faeriec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Make sure you ask for a 60cc dose syringe. The tip of a dose syringe
>is *really wide* for administering oral meds/fluids rather than
>designed to fit a needle for injection (there are injection tip 60cc
>syringes).
Once again thanks Dawn. It would have been typical of me to fly into
the pharmacy and come out with the one for fitting on needles only.
Laurel
Laurel Reddick
Well Jane that was me the cramming clown this morning--no wonder it
clogged up eh? Hubby was standing by shaking his head at my tom
foolery <g>, and Roonie was absolutely disgusted with my ineptness. He
got about 2/3 into his gullet before the second syringe jammed
totally. I will be a better nurse in the morning with the help of all
of you.
Laurel
JC Dill
> Any tips on getting them to eat it appreciated as well--it is
> pretty bitter stuff (I tasted it and ugh!). It is hard to get bitter
> stuff down my giraffe Roonie (just kidding he is a 23 yr. old paint).
UC Davis taught me this trick - use regular pancake syrup! Mix the meds
with the syrup then pour it on grain/concentrates/pellets/what-have-you.
Even the pickiest eaters being dosed with the bitterest medicine will
usually eat it right down if you use enough syrup. It's much cheaper
than using molasses, the horses will eat it just as readily, and because
it's cheaper you don't balk at using enough to fully mask the taste of
the meds.
Obviously you don't want to do this if the horse has issues with sugar,
e.g. if the horse is IR (Insulin Resistant). And it's probably not very
good to be feeding this much sugar over the long haul (e.g. when an
older horse gets bute everyday for age related pain issues). But when
you only need to give the meds for a few weeks it gets the job done
quite nicely. UCDavis buys their pancake syrup by the gallon at Costco.
Make sure you get the plain pancake syrup, not the stuff with "butter"
mixed in.
jc
John Hasler
> It's much cheaper than using molasses...
Less than $10/hundredweight?
--
John Hasler Boarding, Lessons, Training
jo...@dancinghorsehill.com Hay, Jumps, Cavallox
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI USA
Laurel Reddick
wrote:
Another clever idea. Thanks JC. We've only got real Quebec maple
syrup in the fridge--not sure hubby wouldn't squawk if he sees that
going out the door to the barn, but I could buy some cheap Aunt
Jemima's (without the fake butter of course). I actually like the
cheap stuff better than the pricey real maple syrup. When I was kid,
mom always made our pancake syrup with sugar, water and a little
vanilla and we loved it.
Laurel
Flashykatt
>
> UC Davis taught me this trick - use regular pancake syrup!
>
> e.g. if the horse is IR (Insulin Resistant). >
And don't get expensive syrup! The horses seem to prefer the
cheapest, sugariest, not-a-trace-of-actual-maple-syrup in there...if
you don't want to buy the large quantities at Costco, Walmart always
has some cheapo, usually less than a dollar, bottles.
Incidentally, our Walmart has a LOT of good horse stuff--and they're
open on Sundays, and till 11pm, or maybe Midnight. GREAT for
emergencies. In addition to the cheap Betadine, Epsom salts, gauze
pads, rags--our branch has halters, wormers (5 or 6 kinds), topical
meds, treats, Ichthamol, hoof picks, brushes, Probios, grain, weight
gain supplements, etc. Oh--and feed pans!!! The big rubber feed pans
are under $8 (that are $12 or so even in the catalogs), the small are
under $5!!
(This Walmart commercial has been brought to you care of etc. etc.
lol!)
Lisa
Flashykatt
Forgot one more thing--you can also use Rice Bran powder. Works great
on the horses who are IR. Also a lot of foals seem to like it (REALLY
like it!). Generally after a couple times the foal greets you at the
door waiting for his/her nummy rice bran. If you get the consistency
right the horses can't spit it out because it's like a paste. This
works best on the meds that are easily dissolvable in water, so SMZs
work better than uniprim pills, or Doxycycline (both of which need hot
water or like 12 hours to dissolve). Obviously powders are no
problem :)
Lisa
cindi
> I feel your pain. As Comet will even refuse to eat the yummiest of sweet
> feeds if there is anything in it. At all! I'll be following along for
> future ideas too.
That's how Mouse was. She was so picky that I opted for Naxcel
injections instead of SMZs for something she had. The vet said both
would work just as well, Naxcel probably even a bit better, but it was
more expensive - however 1 shot per day for 5 days sure beat trying to
syringe crap into her mouth twice per day for two weeks! I guess
there are some infections that wouldn't respond to both meds, but in
my case I was very appreciative.
take care
cindi
Nancy D.
> Doxycycline (both of which need hot
> water or like 12 hours to dissolve). Obviously powders are no
> problem :)
I have a coffee grinder dedicated to doxycycline. It powders those
pills in a flash, and if you mix the powder with a little water it
makes a sticky paste. Just do NOT open the grinder immediately - give
it a minute for the doxy "smoke" to settle so it doesn't go all over
the kitchen.
Lucy and I had a deal. She knew that the *moment* she swallowed that
horrible doxy paste, she got a sugar-free mint followed by a feed tub
full of soaked alfalfa pellets. She's a smart mare - she figured out
quickly how to get the taste out of her mouth.
Nancy
CMNewell
I'd be leery of mixing it with Pepto Bismol unless you know for a
certainty that it won't have an adverse effect on bioavailability of
the trimeth/sulfa.
Laurel Reddick
wrote:
Thanks Dr. Newell. I have no knowledge of the bioavailability of the
trimeth/sulfa--so I won't mix Pepto Bismol with the Uniprim. How
about the advisability of giving it in divided doses i.e. BID versus
OD?
Laurel