? re: GaWaNi Pony Boy
Terry von Gease
>At the risk of sounding too inquisitive, does anyone on this entire
>internet-big Rec. Eq. board know where GaWaNi Pony Boy came from? (I'm not
>talking broad generalities here; I mean, does anyone know from personal
>experience what the man's horse training and/or personal history is?) ( i.e.,
>Someone on the board took lessons from the man before he was "somebody"? Had a
>horse trained by him? Went to school with him? You get the picture.)
>You can post the answer to the board, but I'd also sure appreciate a personal
>e-mail with your answer. Thanks.
No, but the smart money says that he's actually Stanley Lefkowitz from
some New Jersey area of urban blight. Or some other really disgusting
place.
Remember Iron Eyes Cody.
--
Terry
Time is nature's way of keeping everything
from happening at once.
Jim & Laura Behning
LOL!
Pony Boy was known as Kevin Morrell before he discovered his great
great great great grandmother was Cherokee. In 1993 he applied for a
Cherokee council card.
Previously he played professional jazz (he attended the Berkeley
College of Music). He was also an excellent artist, specializing in
drawing animals. In 1993 his plans were to get a major in zoology and
a minor in cinematology and then to have a career making documentary
films.
He discovered his remote Indian heritage while reading
an old book written by a cousin which traced family lines.
I really don't know much more than this, which was taken from a recent
posting on the Morgan List.
Laura Behning
morgans at mindspring dot com
http://www.mindspring.com/~morgans/Laura.htm
Bruce Tait
>
> Previously he played professional jazz (he attended the Berkeley
> College of Music). He was also an excellent artist, specializing in
> drawing animals. In 1993 his plans were to get a major in zoology and
> a minor in cinematology and then to have a career making documentary
> films.
A minor correction. It's the *Berklee* College of Music. Then again, if you
visit the campus of Berklee, you'll probably believe that you're at the similar sounding
California state-owned haven of Communism. ;-)
Stay safe and in the saddle,
Bruce Tait (who is good friends with a Berklee graduate)
Quincy Police Mounted Unit
Quincy, MA
kirsti_s...@remove.hp.com
wrote:
>Jim & Laura Behning wrote:
>>
>> Previously he played professional jazz (he attended the Berkeley
>> College of Music). He was also an excellent artist, specializing in
>> drawing animals. In 1993 his plans were to get a major in zoology and
>> a minor in cinematology and then to have a career making documentary
>> films.
>
> A minor correction. It's the *Berklee* College of Music. Then again, if you
>visit the campus of Berklee, you'll probably believe that you're at the similar sounding
>California state-owned haven of Communism. ;-)
Bruce, that would be "Bazurkley" :)
Kirsti
Terry von Gease
>>RSEquines (rseq...@aol.com) wrote:
>>>At the risk of sounding too inquisitive, does anyone on this entire
>>>internet-big Rec. Eq. board know where GaWaNi Pony Boy came from? (I'm not
>>>talking broad generalities here; I mean, does anyone know from personal
>>>experience what the man's horse training and/or personal history is?) ( i.e.,
>>>Someone on the board took lessons from the man before he was "somebody"? Had a
>>>horse trained by him? Went to school with him? You get the picture.)
>>>You can post the answer to the board, but I'd also sure appreciate a personal
>>>e-mail with your answer. Thanks.
>>
>>No, but the smart money says that he's actually Stanley Lefkowitz from
>>some New Jersey area of urban blight. Or some other really disgusting
>>place.
>>
>>Remember Iron Eyes Cody.
>LOL!
>Pony Boy was known as Kevin Morrell before he discovered his great
>great great great grandmother was Cherokee. In 1993 he applied for a
>Cherokee council card.
I told ya, Jorene. I've got three greats on this kid. What I don't
have is the tribal badge and whistle. I wonder where I can go to
get one and with it all of the attendent guilt-ridden largesse.
robf...@my-deja.com
I'll see KevWaNi PonyRell's great*4 grandmother and raise him a great
grandfather (Cheyenne) and 2 great grandmothers (Cherokee and Creek).
Don't feel bad, Terry, I don't have the magic decoder ring or tribal
kazoo either. Just have to make it on my own merits, not those of some
mystical yet tenuous association with The Noble Savage.
--
Lorri
Scratchbottom Shires
Where The Noble Shires eat The Noble Hay
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Forest/4242/
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Sue Littlefield
> > Laura Behning wrote:
> > >Pony Boy was known as Kevin Morrell before he discovered his great
> > >great great great grandmother was Cherokee. In 1993 he applied for a
> > >Cherokee council card.
Terry von Gease wrote:
> > I told ya, Jorene. I've got three greats on this kid. What I don't
> > have is the tribal badge and whistle. I wonder where I can go to
> > get one and with it all of the attendent guilt-ridden largesse.
Lorri wrote:
> I'll see KevWaNi PonyRell's great*4 grandmother and raise him a great
> grandfather (Cheyenne) and 2 great grandmothers (Cherokee and Creek).
> Don't feel bad, Terry, I don't have the magic decoder ring or tribal
> kazoo either. Just have to make it on my own merits, not those of some
> mystical yet tenuous association with The Noble Savage.
Well guys, I'm Cherokee and Iroquois; I don't have a card, I
don't have the decoder ring, I don't have the tribal message
tatooed on my ass, and I'm sure as shit not gonna go around
in warpaint and naked from the waist up whilst riding a pinto,
to try and make a buck in the training business. Guess I too, will
have to come up with some other gimmick... After all, a girl's
got her pride :-)
Sue Littlefield
blonde haired and blue eyed in Simla
Jorene Downs
> > > Laura Behning wrote:
> > > >Pony Boy was known as Kevin Morrell before he discovered his great
> > > >great great great grandmother was Cherokee. In 1993 he applied for a
> > > >Cherokee council card.
>
> Terry von Gease wrote:
> > > I told ya, Jorene. I've got three greats on this kid. What I don't
> > > have is the tribal badge and whistle. I wonder where I can go to
> > > get one and with it all of the attendent guilt-ridden largesse.
>
> Lorri wrote:
> > I'll see KevWaNi PonyRell's great*4 grandmother and raise him a great
> > grandfather (Cheyenne) and 2 great grandmothers (Cherokee and Creek).
> > Don't feel bad, Terry, I don't have the magic decoder ring or tribal
> > kazoo either. Just have to make it on my own merits, not those of some
> > mystical yet tenuous association with The Noble Savage.
Sue Littlefield wrote
> Well guys, I'm Cherokee and Iroquois; I don't have a card, I
> don't have the decoder ring, I don't have the tribal message
> tatooed on my ass, and I'm sure as shit not gonna go around
> in warpaint and naked from the waist up whilst riding a pinto,
> to try and make a buck in the training business. Guess I too, will
> have to come up with some other gimmick... After all, a girl's
> got her pride :-)
Hey, does it really matter what percentage of Native American blood anyone
has if they're interested in their heritage? While GaWaNi Pony Boy sure
isn't close blood, and he sure has done some great marketing to take
advantage of that small percentage, the demo I saw was a history lesson.
And he did that well, keeping everybody's attention. I never heard him
speak on the subject of horse training or saw / read his book, but he did
an entertaining job at presenting some interesting info on Native Americans
that included some explanation regarding the historic Appy and Cayuse, and
commonly used painted markings on a warrior's horse. No tribal decoder ring
required, all he needed to do was research. His gimmick for drawing an
audience works - and is presumably profitable - but it doesn't appear he's
spreading misinformation. ;)
Now, if anybody has some details regarding GaWaNi Pony Boy's qualifications
/ philosophies / methods are for horse training, that's another subject
altogether. ;)
--
Jorene
just moseyin' down the trail on a Paint horse
from the CEOates Ranch in California ... ;)
www.CEOates.com
meet other Rec.eq'ers on the Rogue's Gallery:
www.psnw.com/~jcdowns/RecEq/RecEq.html
Jorene Downs
Terry von Gease <t...@rose.hp.com> wrote
> Jim & Laura Behning (mor...@atl.mindspring.com) wrote:
> >Pony Boy was known as Kevin Morrell before he discovered his great
> >great great great grandmother was Cherokee. In 1993 he applied for a
> >Cherokee council card.
> I told ya, Jorene. I've got three greats on this kid. What I don't
> have is the tribal badge and whistle. I wonder where I can go to
> get one and with it all of the attendent guilt-ridden largesse.
Dunno - check with the tribe, I guess.
Ummm, maybe you shouldn't mention to them that your horse is named Chief! ;)
AlaTmPnr
>Well guys, I'm Cherokee and Iroquois; I don't have a card, I don't have the
decoder ring, I don't have the tribal message
tatooed on my ass, and I'm sure as shit not gonna go around in warpaint and
naked from the waist up whilst riding a pinto, to try and make a buck in the
training business. Guess I too, will
have to come up with some other gimmick... After all, a girl's got her pride
:-) <
Sue if you change your mind let me know I have some contacts in Vegas that can
get you booked pretty easily LOL. Of course your "native" regalia would
probably consist of a feather boa and a loin cloth .... but as long as you are
bare from the waist up I dont think they will care a bunch LOL. Hell I doubt
they would care what your training message would be. I think some one has
already done this though ... Lady Godiva comes to mind. What was her training
message? I forget.
Bill
robf...@my-deja.com
alat...@aol.com (AlaTmPnr) wrote:
.... but as long as
you are
> bare from the waist up I dont think they will care a bunch LOL. Hell I
doubt
> they would care what your training message would be. I think some
one has
> already done this though ... Lady Godiva comes to mind. What was her
training
> message? I forget.
>
Don't Ride Naked On Hot Days--Sweaty Horsehair Galls.
--
Lorri
Scratchbottom Shires
Riding fully clothed, but the horses are naked
kirsti_s...@remove.hp.com
<spamb...@lmco.com> wrote:
>
>> > Laura Behning wrote:
>> > >Pony Boy was known as Kevin Morrell before he discovered his great
>> > >great great great grandmother was Cherokee. In 1993 he applied for a
>> > >Cherokee council card.
>
> Terry von Gease wrote:
>> > I told ya, Jorene. I've got three greats on this kid. What I don't
>> > have is the tribal badge and whistle. I wonder where I can go to
>> > get one and with it all of the attendent guilt-ridden largesse.
>
> Lorri wrote:
>> I'll see KevWaNi PonyRell's great*4 grandmother and raise him a great
>> grandfather (Cheyenne) and 2 great grandmothers (Cherokee and Creek).
>> Don't feel bad, Terry, I don't have the magic decoder ring or tribal
>> kazoo either. Just have to make it on my own merits, not those of some
>> mystical yet tenuous association with The Noble Savage.
>
>Well guys, I'm Cherokee and Iroquois; I don't have a card, I
>don't have the decoder ring, I don't have the tribal message
>tatooed on my ass, and I'm sure as shit not gonna go around
>in warpaint and naked from the waist up whilst riding a pinto,
>to try and make a buck in the training business. Guess I too, will
>have to come up with some other gimmick... After all, a girl's
>got her pride :-)
Ya, but, ooooh sheeesh, never mind... <.oO girl, the money you coulda
made :)>
Kirsti "ya just gotta support some things :)"
Tralrdr
>Hey, does it really matter what percentage of Native American blood anyone
>has if they're interested in their heritage?
etc. snipped....
And who cares...if he has a message to send then he can send it any way he
wishes and he sure got some of you all curious enough to go and pay money to
support his cause! Hell, I would go just to see what all the hubbub is about
now! This is a world of advertising and spin.....whoever gets the money wins!
heh heh
Carrie N Miller
Cripple Creek, CO
Deborah Stevenson
>In article <19990610201947...@ng-cl1.aol.com>,
> alat...@aol.com (AlaTmPnr) wrote:
> .... but as long as
> >you are bare from the waist up I dont think they will care a bunch LOL.
>> Hell I doubt they would care what your training message would be. I
>> think some one has already done this though ... Lady Godiva comes to mind.
>> What was her training message? I forget.
>Don't Ride Naked On Hot Days--Sweaty Horsehair Galls.
I saw the uppercase here and thought this was another mnemonic for the
dressage letters...
Deborah Stevenson (stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Who wouldn't want the black eyes anyway in Champaign, IL, USA
Jim & Laura Behning
>>Pony Boy was known as Kevin Morrell before he discovered his great
>>great great great grandmother was Cherokee. In 1993 he applied for a
>>Cherokee council card.
> I told ya, Jorene. I've got three greats on this kid. What I don't
> have is the tribal badge and whistle. I wonder where I can go to
> get one and with it all of the attendent guilt-ridden largesse.
Picture this- Terry, half naked, wearing psychedelic war paint,
discussing his ancient and revered family tree all the while
demonstrating amazing feats of horsemanship (er- *riding*) including
his incredible mental bond with his mount (which of course is a pinto,
and he's all set with ol DeathSpot), and all of this sans helmet of
course, THAT I would pay very good money to see ;-)
Joyce Reynolds-Ward
Laura Behning) wrote:
snip
>Picture this- Terry, half naked, wearing psychedelic war paint,
>discussing his ancient and revered family tree all the while
>demonstrating amazing feats of horsemanship (er- *riding*) including
>his incredible mental bond with his mount (which of course is a pinto,
>and he's all set with ol DeathSpot), and all of this sans helmet of
>course, THAT I would pay very good money to see ;-)
Giggle. I *like* this idea.
of course, it'd make good Bogbash material....
jrw
Jorene Downs
Tralrdr <tra...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990611084726...@ng-cl1.aol.com...
> >Jorene Downs" writes:
>
>
> >Hey, does it really matter what percentage of Native American blood
anyone
> >has if they're interested in their heritage?
> etc. snipped....
>
> And who cares...if he has a message to send then he can send it any way he
> wishes and he sure got some of you all curious enough to go and pay money
to
> support his cause!
Very conveniently for me, all the clinics and demos at the Horse Expo in
Sacramento were free once you were inside Cal Expo. And I had a pass. <g>
Left to my own devices, I likely wouldn't have sought out GaWaNi Pony Boy,
and would have spent more time at the trainer clinics. But it was worth the
time to stop and watch his Native America history lesson. Education through
entertainment. ;)
> Hell, I would go just to see what all the hubbub is about
> now! This is a world of advertising and spin.....whoever gets the money
wins!
> heh heh
> Carrie N Miller
> Cripple Creek, CO
I'd recommend GaWaNi Pony Boy as a family outing for his rather unique
Native American history class. Be prepared to grin - he works the crowd
well, interjecting humor while imparting bits and pieces of information.
But I'm still hoping to hear feedback regarding any opinions he might
express regarding horse training, since there wasn't anything about horse
training during his history lesson. He did refer to himself once as a
trainer, but I don't have a clue regarding his knowledge on the subject.
Speaking of the Horse Expo - I did get some interesting feedback about John
Lyons afterwards. A lady who recently purchased a horse from us (will be
picking the mare up in a week) attended with her children, and they went by
the area designated for the young riders. Apparently John stopped there for
a kid's clinic of some sort ... and this lady's young daughter was ecstatic
that he ended up seated next to her while he spoke. <g> And the mom (did
quite a bit of showing when she was younger) was quite happy because this
fundamental information - imparted by John - appeared to have made a
valuable impression on her kids ... who were about to have their first horse
in the family ... ;)
I don't know how many of the other clinicians / speakers spent time with the
kids, but I was glad to hear that there was at least one person who
remembered that the kids of today are our riders of tomorrow, and made the
effort to spend time with them.
Jorene Downs
Jim & Laura Behning <mor...@atl.mindspring.com> wrote
> >Terry von Gease <t...@rose.hp.com> wrote
> >> Jim & Laura Behning (mor...@atl.mindspring.com) wrote:
>
> >>Pony Boy was known as Kevin Morrell before he discovered his great
> >>great great great grandmother was Cherokee. In 1993 he applied for a
> >>Cherokee council card.
>
> > I told ya, Jorene. I've got three greats on this kid. What I don't
> > have is the tribal badge and whistle. I wonder where I can go to
> > get one and with it all of the attendent guilt-ridden largesse.
>
> discussing his ancient and revered family tree all the while
> demonstrating amazing feats of horsemanship (er- *riding*) including
> his incredible mental bond with his mount (which of course is a pinto,
> and he's all set with ol DeathSpot), and all of this sans helmet of
> course, THAT I would pay very good money to see ;-)
I see a different scene, with Terry in his tribal regalia riding Deathwish,
er, Spot (or maybe Chief?) wearing his helmet and whooping as he waves his
weapon, er, polocrosse racquet and tells the kids they can "ride like wild
Indians" if they just take up the sport of polocrosse. Hey, what a
recruiting gimmick! LOL!
Terry von Gease
>>Terry von Gease <t...@rose.hp.com> wrote
>>> Jim & Laura Behning (mor...@atl.mindspring.com) wrote:
>>>Pony Boy was known as Kevin Morrell before he discovered his great
>>>great great great grandmother was Cherokee. In 1993 he applied for a
>>>Cherokee council card.
>> I told ya, Jorene. I've got three greats on this kid. What I don't
>> have is the tribal badge and whistle. I wonder where I can go to
>> get one and with it all of the attendent guilt-ridden largesse.
>Picture this- Terry, half naked, wearing psychedelic war paint,
>discussing his ancient and revered family tree all the while
>demonstrating amazing feats of horsemanship (er- *riding*) including
>his incredible mental bond with his mount (which of course is a pinto,
>and he's all set with ol DeathSpot), and all of this sans helmet of
>course, THAT I would pay very good money to see ;-)
I do believe that as a rider to a piece of legislation here in the
People's Republic designed to constrain the wearing of Spandex to those
who meet certain height/width/weight ratios there was language enjoining
me, specifically, from ever appearing in public without a shirt.
While this probably qualifies as a bill of attainder, I'm quite
comfortable with the notion. Sort of like "186,000 miles per second,
not just a good idea, it's the law."
Even if it weren't for the shirt, these days the most amazing feat of
riding of which I'm capable is simply staying on. It's a bitch when you
reach an age where your mind writes checks that your body can't cash.
Besides, most of the branches of my family tree have horse thieves and
fruit tramps perched thereupon. Just this one particular limb occupied
by my great grandmother, Katie Frost, the complete Chippewa. And her
father, whose name escapes me, the first indian lawyer on the planet.
Proof positive of the gringo's complete corruption of the indian.
Kamm2MacD
>>discussing his ancient and revered family tree all the while
I'm not sure about the 'Terry half naked part'.....
Eleanore
Paul Kamm & Eleanore MacDonald
neo impressionist folk music
http://songs.com/kammac
'Calling on Love' will be released in May '99....
Abby Fairchild
Gawd, which half?!
Abby, wondering if maybe we should find another clinician for polocrosse...
Jim & Laura Behning
>re: Terry half naked:
>
>Gawd, which half?!
Do you mean the left half or the right half?
Sue Littlefield
>
> Ya, but, ooooh sheeesh, never mind... <.oO girl, the money you coulda
> made :)>
>
> Kirsti "ya just gotta support some things :)"
yea, but then I'd be divorced! :-)
Sue (who does like some things supported ;-) Littlefield
Sue Littlefield
> re: Terry half naked:
>
> Gawd, which half?!
Sheesh and LOL!
Sue L.
J.A.Zanot
>
>Gawd, which half?!
The bottom half, then y'all can get a good laugh at the gherkin.
(Teasing Terry, I'm sure it's a giant dill from the barrel.) <VBEG>
~Jaz. J.A. Zanot
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