cutie pie "ton of fun"
lizzard woman
Gorgeous 3/4 belgian 1/4 standardbred sporthorse. He's a light bay with an
unclipped coat and a lovely "taupe" buckskin with a body clip. Great
temperament lovely movement very light forward and athletic for his size.
Competed dressage through Training and evented through Novice. Successful
competitor has been hilltopped trail ridden hunter paced and driven single.
Gets noticed everywhere he goes. A ton of fun! Literally! Very easy keeper
with great feet (goes barefoot). Stays sane and willing even with a lot of
time off. Could go further in any discipline whether it be dressage eventing
field hunting or combined driving. Goes in the field or xc in a plain
snaffle. A great all-around horse for a larger rider. I've owned him three
years with no history of health problems or lameness. He's my husband's
horse and he just doesn't ride him enough due to work commitments. I rode
and competed him through my pregnancy since he's such a steady guy. I love
riding him and showing him myself but I have a new baby and can now barely
manage time to ride my own horse. He'd be the rare horse that the serious
competitor spouse could ride and show and the not-so-serious rider spouse
could hop on and play with whenever.
Ruettiger Petra
x TB I surprised myself by immediately taking to this horse. I know the pic
doesn't really SAY much, but it said "kind fun willing horse who is probably
exactly as described"
To be honest Sharon, you could do a lot worse, he is a good price, isn't it
about time you put your money where your mouth is and have an actual look at a
horse or two?
Petra
Sheryl Reasonover
>To be honest Sharon, you could do a lot worse, he is a good price, isn't it
>about time you put your money where your mouth is and have an actual look at
>a
>horse or two?
go look go look go look go look....
Mary McHugh
Geez, if we weren't at full unemployment here at Rancho McHugh, I'd go
see him. He looks like a ton of fun (literally!).
Mary
lizzard woman
"Ruettiger Petra" <ruettig...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I find this horse extremely appealing also. I'm sure if he were mine it
would be nothing but affectionate diminutives out of my mouth for the
duration. I'd probably never utter his name once.
Actually, I have been contacting a few sellers. I was more than half way
interested when a 16.3 HH dark bay 5 yo Kadans (DWB) mare (out of a TB) came
up for only $5,000 and she is located in Alberta. That price was too good
and even with the cost of 6 months training she still looked like a good
price. When I contacted the owner, she immediately raised the price another
$1,000 saying she has put more training into the horse. So I contacted the
web site that had the listing asking when the ad was posted but they never
responded. So that put me off, in addition to a few other things and I
passed. But that is a very good price for a sound/healthy DWB cross mare as
described.
--
love,
el mangosteeno
"Bullshit." -- T. Stovall
"Riding horses doesn't always need to be some sort of earth shattering
rocket science every flippin' moment you're astride." -- Ruth CM
Texas rider
> http://horse.classifieds.equine.com/horses/661187.html
>
> Gorgeous 3/4 belgian 1/4 standardbred sporthorse. He's a light bay with an
> unclipped coat and a lovely "taupe" buckskin with a body clip. Great
> temperament lovely movement very light forward and athletic for his size.
> Competed dressage through Training and evented through Novice. Successful
> competitor has been hilltopped trail ridden hunter paced and driven single.
> Gets noticed everywhere he goes. A ton of fun! Literally! Very easy keeper
> with great feet (goes barefoot). Stays sane and willing even with a lot of
> time off.
The write up sounds excellent, but I think he's going to be too big
for you. See that line"for his size."
I have a friend who has a Clydsedale, although she's petite by the
standards of this one. Weighs in at about 1800 pounds, 16 hands. The
horse was bought when they liked it at a dude ranch. It is pretty
docile, but it started bucking when they brought it home for the heavy
boyfriend to ride. Then they had a lot of problems with its feet. It
was not sound, and had to have $200 shoes, but still there were
problems with the feet, and she wasn't able to put people on it as a
guest horse as she'd hoped because it would pitch them off. I only
rode with her once when she rode it. It pooped out if it got past the
walk. It was docile, and didn't offer to buck on that ride.
However, I still say, look for something smaller and lighter. This
woman looks like a peanut on this horse. There are some things that
you may not have thought about with this horse. Every horse and person
is different (and men are gernally physically stronger than women),
but this lady is probably both a very good rider (since she's an
eventer), and she's also probably pretty young (20's or 30's) because
she's pregnant. Women reach their physical peak at age 17 and it's a
gradual downhill slide from there. If she already had a child, she
probably wouldn't be riding and competing two horses. This means she's
younger than you, physically stronger, and probably a better rider.
For her to ride a 2,000 pound horse is probably a lot easier than for
you to ride one. Riding a horse in a small dressage arena and
foxhunting and eventing it are completely different animals. It is
much harder to control a horse XC (and probably worse fox hunting than
eventing) because you're in open land and traveling at speed. Now I
know that isn't your plan at the moment, but you never know what you
might want to do later. To just noodle around on him at a walk on a
slow trailride or very low level dressage, I'm sure you wouldn't have
any trouble, but if you are willing to spend the amount of money
you're talking about, then I would expect you'd want a horse that you
could do some serious riding with. Maybe you won't, but the operative
word is is "could."
Men don't think the weight ratio of the rider to the horse is that
important, but I'm a small woman, and to me it matters-- a lot. IME
the best size ratio for a horse to rider is between 11% - 15% (rider's
weight) to the horse's weight.
I saw your picture on the web on your bio link, and would guess that
you weigh between 130 to 140 pounds. Here are some size ratios by
weight. The 100 pound weight is there for you to look at in regard to
your daughters. You would fit a 2000# horse if you were between 220
and 300 pounds. If you weigh 135 pounds, you are only 6.75% of the
weight of the horse, so it is going to be hard if this horse were to
get strong or disobedient with you. For my horses, I'm about 12% of
their weight, and that works very well for me. They weigh about 1000
pounds. I weigh about 120. At that percentage, I'm strong enough to
handle them.
riders' weight / .11 or .15 = weight of horse
135 @11% =1227
135@15% = 900
140 @11% = 1272
140 @15% = 933
120 @11% = 1091
120 @15% = 800
100 @11% = 909
100 @15% =667
cg
lizzard woman
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(snip)
| I have a friend who has a Clydsedale, although she's petite by the
| standards of this one. Weighs in at about 1800 pounds, 16 hands. The
| horse was bought when they liked it at a dude ranch. It is pretty
| docile, but it started bucking when they brought it home for the heavy
| boyfriend to ride. Then they had a lot of problems with its feet. It
| was not sound, and had to have $200 shoes, but still there were
| problems with the feet, and she wasn't able to put people on it as a
| guest horse as she'd hoped because it would pitch them off. I only
| rode with her once when she rode it. It pooped out if it got past the
| walk. It was docile, and didn't offer to buck on that ride.
Yeah I would worry that he might eventually need shoes and that would be a
bib recurring expense. And my goal is to eventually do an hour most days
and its not obvious this guy is up to that.
(snip)
| I saw your picture on the web on your bio link, and would guess that
| you weigh between 130 to 140 pounds.
Well I weigh more than that but your check is in the mail for saying that.
;)
People often guess my weigh too low. I have always been physically strong
(no woman ever beat me at arm wrestling) but my riding strength of course
needs more work. I've only been back at it since September and while my
stomach muscles have strengthened, I need more strength to hold and cue with
my seat. That issue is coming along very well and that would not keep me
from buying a large, strong horse since I will stay in lessons.
Mary McHugh
> (no woman ever beat me at arm wrestling) but my riding strength of course
> needs more work. I've only been back at it since September and while my
You've never arm-wrestled a hairdresser, then. I used to arm-wrestle
the guys in college for beer. I drank free a lot. Of course, I always
picked on my fellow geeky engineering students, not the football
players. I got beat by a 98lb. hairdresser. They hold their arms up
all day and they get very, very strong arms.
Mary
lizzard woman
news:40647488...@yahoo.com...
That's true I have never knowingly wrestled a hair dresser. But there are
plenty of women besides hair dressers who could beat me then and now... just
never wrestled one of them.
The point is I intend to be a very strong rider and if I continue with my
lessons, I'll achieve that (unless I get hit by a bus).
Dawn Lawson
lizzard woman wrote:
> "Mary McHugh" <emja...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:40647488...@yahoo.com...
> | lizzard woman wrote:
> | > (no woman ever beat me at arm wrestling) but my riding strength of
> course
> | > needs more work. I've only been back at it since September and while my
> |
> | You've never arm-wrestled a hairdresser, then. I used to arm-wrestle
> | the guys in college for beer. I drank free a lot. Of course, I always
> | picked on my fellow geeky engineering students, not the football
> | players. I got beat by a 98lb. hairdresser. They hold their arms up
> | all day and they get very, very strong arms.
>
> That's true I have never knowingly wrestled a hair dresser. But there are
> plenty of women besides hair dressers who could beat me then and now... just
> never wrestled one of them.
>
> The point is I intend to be a very strong rider and if I continue with my
> lessons, I'll achieve that (unless I get hit by a bus).
>
Good idea...strong biceps are SOOOOOoooo necessary in classical
dressage...... :-P'''''''''
Dawn
--
"From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere."
-Dr. Seuss
JC Dill
>This means she's
>younger than you, physically stronger, and probably a better rider.
>For her to ride a 2,000 pound horse is probably a lot easier than for
>you to ride one. Riding a horse in a small dressage arena and
>foxhunting and eventing it are completely different animals. It is
>much harder to control a horse XC (and probably worse fox hunting than
>eventing) because you're in open land and traveling at speed. Now I
>know that isn't your plan at the moment, but you never know what you
>might want to do later. To just noodle around on him at a walk on a
>slow trailride or very low level dressage, I'm sure you wouldn't have
>any trouble, but if you are willing to spend the amount of money
>you're talking about, then I would expect you'd want a horse that you
>could do some serious riding with. Maybe you won't, but the operative
>word is is "could."
>
>Men don't think the weight ratio of the rider to the horse is that
>important, but I'm a small woman, and to me it matters-- a lot. IME
>the best size ratio for a horse to rider is between 11% - 15% (rider's
>weight) to the horse's weight.
All of this talk about size ratios assumes you have to muscle your
horse about. I have an 18.2 hand Percheron who weighs 2020 lbs, and I
ride her in a french link snaffle. If anything goes even slightly
wrong, she slams to a halt. She has a butter soft mouth. I can lead
her with a drape in the lead at all times. She has never (knock on
wood) pulled back since I got her 3 years ago.
If the horse is properly trained and the rider knows how to handle the
horse without force, size doesn't matter.
I took my mare to a clinic last year, the clinic host asked if she
could ride her. The clinic host was a very small woman, her legs
barely came 1/2 way down my mare's barrel. The clinic host was also
an excellent rider and my mare went better for her than for me (better
than the host's own horse too!). Even though she was a tiny thing
sitting up on this big horse, they were a picture of harmony when they
were moving together, because they were in such good partnership with
each other. Size ratio doesn't matter, partnership is what matters.
And when it comes down to it, you have to have an awfully small horse
and large person for a person to *really* out-muscle a horse.
jc
Riding is a partnership.
The horse lends you his strength, speed, and grace,
which are greater than yours.
For your part, you give him your guidance, intelligence, and
understanding, which are greater than his.
Together, you can achieve a richness that alone neither can.
~ Lucy Rees
Erika J
> lizzard woman wrote:
> > The point is I intend to be a very strong rider and if I continue with
my
> > lessons, I'll achieve that (unless I get hit by a bus).
> >
> Dawn wrote:
> Good idea...strong biceps are SOOOOOoooo necessary in classical
> dressage...... :-P'''''''''
>
Dawn,
What I think Sharon meant by this comment was that she would like to
strengthen her entire body. I am a recent convert to dressage and I feel
that my dressage lessons are a whole lot more intense (physically &
mentally) than any of my hunter-jumper lessons (I was a hunter/jumper gal
for 15 yrs.). My coach does not subscribe to the "Pull & Kick & Spur" type
of dressage either. My lesson horse is a 23-year-old PSG level
Schoolmaster. While he isn't a push-button ride, if you know how to ask him
properly, he will do it.
Now this is just my 2 cents worth.
Erika
Texas rider
> And when it comes down to it, you have to have an awfully small horse
> and large person for a person to *really* out-muscle a horse.
>
> jc
Around here it is fairly common practice for people (even among GP
dressage riders) to hire very big, heavy men (between 250 and 300
pounds) to break young horses.
I've seen small people ride big horses, too, and do well at it, but
if a 2,000 pound horse starts giving a 110 rider some problems, she's
probably going to be in a lot of trouble. That horse may be fine, but
he's in Georgia, so he's kind of far away. She might want to go ride
several 2000 pounders and see what she thinks about riding a horse
that heavy first.
I've never seen a heavy horse that was a light mover. I've seen people
showing Friesians in dressage and they shook the arena with their
weight. I once saw someone eventing some type of cold blooded horse at
USPC nationals. It was a pretty horse, but is seemed pretty clunky by
comparision to the other horses.
cg
Hayward
I wouldn't want such a sized horse, but I like this guy.
Barb
Hayward
Texas rider wrote:
> The write up sounds excellent, but I think he's going to be too big for
> you. See that line"for his size."
>
> I have a friend who has a Clydsedale, although she's petite by the
standards
> of this one. Weighs in at about 1800 pounds, 16 hands. The horse
> was bought when they liked it at a dude ranch. It is pretty docile,
> but it started bucking when they brought it home for the heavy boyfriend
> to ride.
> However, I still say, look for something smaller and lighter. This woman
Breeds vary on this though. I do see great big men on a little 800
pound cow ponies, and it kinda bothers me - QH and many others are built
to carry more like 1/5 of their weight, while a Fjord/Haflinger type can
carry closer to 1/3. Of course, if one is 1/3 of our Haflinger's
weight, one is in serious need of bariatric surgery. Islandics are on
another scale - they may be from the planet Krypton. It's
understandable about your friend's horse - Clydesdales don't generally
have the strongest backs for riding.
I accidently dismounted from a 16.3 horse 3 years ago. That was far
enough of a flight for me. It was actually a conscious choice to let go
and not yank on her mouth, forgetting at the wrong moment that I was no
longer 17 and made out of rubber. I haven't ever figured Adina's and my
weight ratio; she's a big girl, but very well mannered and you can move
her around with the lightest touch.
It was a little horse that once inadvertantly did his best to kill me.
I was cleaning a stall when without warning someone hoisted a bale of
shavings, wrapped in the ever popular white plastic, up onto the bottom
half of the Dutch stall door. The panicked horse spun and our heads
collided. That stall looked like a George Romero movie set and the ER
doctors said I was really lucky. Funny, I didn't feel lucky.
Barb
Dawn Lawson
Hayward wrote:
> Is that Rick Miranis on him? :) (As in "Honey, I Blew Up the Fjord.")
>
OMG, that's TOOOO funny.
Thanks Barb. :-D
Macnutt
"Hayward" <ligh...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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<snips of lots of stuff>>> Breeds vary on this though. I do see great big
men on a little 800
> pound cow ponies, and it kinda bothers me -
I don't see many 800 pound cow ponies. The cow ponies around here might be
14.1 to 14.3 but most weight 1000 to 1100. My QH type mare at 4 is 14.3 and
weighs 1100. Tank horse with bone to match.
Islandics are on
> another scale - they may be from the planet Krypton.
Funny! You are so right on. I rode an under 13hh Icelandic all day years
ago, and I'm no lightweight. She carried me fine, and still had energy to
kick up her heels when turned out after a long day. If you looked hard you
could see the big "S" on her chest!
My Arab mare at 14.1 could carry an adult plus a kid all day too. Strong and
energetic. I sold her last year at age 21, still looking like she was 10 and
energy of same.
Eileen Morgan
"Texas rider" <gros...@bga.com> wrote in message
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> Around here it is fairly common practice for people (even among GP
> dressage riders) to hire very big, heavy men (between 250 and 300
> pounds) to break young horses.
Good LORD. That's awful. Small to medium well balanced riders for immature,
unmuscled backs.
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Ann Savage
I've always admired the Fjords but since I measure 5'10", they
are not for me. Sure wish I lived close enough to go try your
horse.
Ann S.
Horseless in North Bay, Ontario
"lizzard woman" <kimosa...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<1eO8c.4753$R27.4507@pd7tw2no>...
lizzard woman
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| He looks to me a bit like a bigger version of a Norwegian Fjord.
| I've always admired the Fjords but since I measure 5'10", they
| are not for me. Sure wish I lived close enough to go try your
| horse.
Oh no he's not mine! I post horse ads to get feed back in prep for buying a
horse some day.
I think he is probably a bit heavy for my riding goals but this horse is
certainly a cutie pie baby guy :)
--
love,
el mangosteeno
"It is not uncommon for horses to be alarmed by both the sight and
sound of mules/donks. [...] Many a horse has lost its mind over minis, as
well." -- MJ
Texas rider
> "Texas rider" <gros...@bga.com> wrote in message
> news:f2f1851.04032...@posting.google.com...
>
> > Around here it is fairly common practice for people (even among GP
> > dressage riders) to hire very big, heavy men (between 250 and 300
> > pounds) to break young horses.
>
> Good LORD. That's awful. Small to medium well balanced riders for immature,
> unmuscled backs.
Yes, I know. It's not real well known, of course, but it's done.
I was selling a horse for a guy who met the description and he told me
who he works for. Several of his clients were fairly big time dressage
trainers and resellers. They also weren't all in Texas, he worked in a
few other states as well. He's not the only one doing this. As I said,
it's a common practice.
cg
Tamara Howard
> "Texas rider" <gros...@bga.com> wrote in message
> news:f2f1851.04032...@posting.google.com...
>
> > Around here it is fairly common practice for people (even among GP
> > dressage riders) to hire very big, heavy men (between 250 and 300
> > pounds) to break young horses.
>
> Good LORD. That's awful. Small to medium well balanced riders for immature,
> unmuscled backs.
it is the redneck way <g> here also people beleive that a big ole man
will stand a better chance of not getting pitched...that it is just
not possible for a colt to toss them off...
Tamara in TN
home of the 18 month "broke" walker
Sheryl Reasonover
>
> it is the redneck way <g> here also people beleive that a big ole man
>will stand a better chance of not getting pitched...that it is just
>not possible for a colt to toss them off...
Yeah, he can't get his butt up to buck.
Ann Savage
> "Ann Savage" <asa...@onlink.net> wrote in message
> news:515dda10.04032...@posting.google.com...
> | He looks to me a bit like a bigger version of a Norwegian Fjord.
> | I've always admired the Fjords but since I measure 5'10", they
> | are not for me. Sure wish I lived close enough to go try your
> | horse.
>
> Oh no he's not mine! I post horse ads to get feed back in prep for buying a
> horse some day.
>
> I think he is probably a bit heavy for my riding goals but this horse is
> certainly a cutie pie baby guy :)
He is. Have fun checking out your ads. Kind of like looking at the
Christmas wish book.
Ann S.
Phetsy Calderon
Hmmm--not much use for the cowboy saying "Never been a horse that
couldn't be rode, never been a cowboy that couldn't be throwed."*
*The term 'horse,' as used herein, shall include equids of any age,
gender, subspecies, breed, or size, including but not limited to
Shetlands, standardbreds, scrubs, Gobi ponies, Shires, Turkomans,
coldbloods, warmbloods, and who-knows-what bloods. Further, the term
shall not be construed to exclude the asinus group of equids,
including burros, mules, hinnies, Mammoth Jacks, and anything else
that nickers or brays.
'Throwed'shall be construed to include tossed, dumped, luanched,
slingshotted,augured in, or otherwise involuntarily ejected. The use
of the male gender shall included the female, thus "cowboy" shall
include both male and female persons, nor is the term restricted as to
ethnic origin, nationality, age, nor creed or religion. No political
affinity is indicated.
The term 'cowboy' shall also include all practitioners of any form of
equestrian endeavor whatsover, including but not limited to dressage
queens, good ol' boy coonhunters, foxhunters, cavalrymen, Mongolian
herdsmen, Big Lick riders, and even pony ride operators when they are
actually engaged in the act of sitting upon a horse for the purpose of
transportation. It shall also include horsemen gainfully employed (or
at least intending to be) as rodeo hands, feedlot workers, fools
eating alkalai dust and manzanita leaves, and some of the big hat guys
doing timed events at the shows.
In other words, doesn't matter what you're riding, how, or how good
you are, there is a patch of hardpan with your name on it somewhere,
and a horse who knows how to find it.
Even if you're a big ole boy with more gut then grin :-).
Phetsy
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Phetsy Calderon
Hmmm--not much use for the cowboy saying "Never been a horse that