What (smaller) truck can you safely pull a Brenderup with?
R Bishop
"RPM1" <rp...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>I did get a list of appropriate trucks from Brenderup a
>few months ago but since we decided against buying
>one I tossed the info. Now a friend is interested in
>buying a Brenderup and I'd like to give her some
>information.
>
Small trucks (aka toy trucks) are not built to tow anything over a few hundred
pounds. Ignore the info passed out by the trailer folks. They just want to
sell trailers. Read the ENTIRE fine print in the truck literature and then
tow no more than 75% of their total.
IMHO, a Benderup shouldn't be towed by anything less than a fullsized truck,
either F150 or C10 or equivalent. And I'd prefer more muscle than that.
>TIA
>
>Ruth CM the throwing stuff out queen! :-\
>
>
Sue
"...it is easy to damn with critism
and appear intelligent."
Frederick Faust
R Bishop
"RPM1" <rp...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>R Bishop:
>
>>IMHO, a Benderup shouldn't be towed by anything less than a fullsized
>truck,
>
>
>What is your concern with the "toy" trucks?
>Brakes, rear, engine? Is the issue damage
>to truck or to fellow motorists?
Physics. All the hype aside, there's not going to be that much difference
in the weight of a Benderup and other trailers. There's still going to be
a couple of full-sized horses inside at least 1000 pounds of trailer. That's
a lot of unstable mass with a high center of gravity. You need a heavier
tow vehicle with a decent length and width to pull it and stop it and
balance it properly. There's always 'worst case' scenarios to consider, too.
What if the brakes fail on the trailer? What if the horses start shifting
around a lot? What if there's a sudden very strong crosswind?
If that trailer starts whipping around, does the truck have enough muscle and
brakes and stability to correct it?
That's why I cringe every time a see a trailer going down the road towed
by a narrow short 4x4 or a much undersized truck.
These are our horses, our precious possessions. We need to think safety.
>
>Ruth CM
R Bishop
"Wade & Wendy" <shast...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>When I first started hauling my horses to the breeders (trying to keep this
>topic related*G*), I was told that you should never tow with a smaller
>truck. It has to do with the wheel base? You shouldn't haul anything wider
>than the wheel base on your truck. It causes extra sway and it's harder to
>maneuver. Also, unless you are living in a flat area, going up and down
>mountains is harder on your engine. (Not to mention the other motorists
>following behind as your truck lugs very slowly up the mountains.*G*) This
>information was given to me a few years back, so things may have changed.
>And I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.LOL
Nope, the laws of physics still haven't been repealed.
Sue
>
>Wendy
>>
>>
>>What is your concern with the "toy" trucks?
>>Brakes, rear, engine? Is the issue damage
>>to truck or to fellow motorists?
>>
>>Ruth CM
R Bishop
Georgeanne Wilcox <gmwi...@seidata.com> wrote:
>> R Bishop:
>> >IMHO, a Benderup shouldn't be towed by anything less than a fullsized
>> truck,
>> What is your concern with the "toy" trucks?
>> Ruth CM
>
>We own both a fullsize and 'toy' truck.
>We did a test of sorts by putting one of those 6x12 flatbed
>'carts' (for lack of a better word) loaded with some bricks
>onto the back of my fullsize truck and my husband's 'toy' truck.
>There was not much concern with the hauling end of things, but
>when it came time to stop with the 'toy' it was definitely a
>concern. Needless to say, we don't haul heavy stuff with the
>toy anymore....
Ah, yes, flatbed trailers. I saw a real mess with one of those once.
A couple of guys driving a sport ute, pulling a load of lumber on one of
those flat bed trailers. Evidently they had had to brake fairly quickly
and the laws of physics had caught up with them. They were in the median
strip of a very busy highway, boards everywhere, most of them UNDER the
sport ute since the whole load had done what things on a flat trailer
do when you stop quickly.....
>
>
>Georgeanne Wilcox
>Oldenburg IN
Sue
R Bishop
"RPM1" <rp...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>Georgeanne Wilcox:
>>There was not much concern with the hauling end of things, but
>>when it came time to stop with the 'toy' it was definitely a
>>concern.
>
>That's where Brenderup's "Inertia" brakes would
>come in handy. From the way they're described
>they certainly make sense to me. Any one else
>have the 411 on this type of trailer brakes?
>
That still doesn't change the WEIGHT factor which is critical in towing
and stopping. Sure, they may have nice brakes, but what if they fail?
And brakes have nothing to do with stabilization during a cross wind or
if the trailer starts to sway.
>Ruth CM
R Bishop
Georgeanne Wilcox <gmwi...@seidata.com> wrote:
>The USAToday on Friday has an excellent article about smaller
>cars and mentions small trucks as having some of the same
>problems that SUVs have (same wheel base and height). The
>ability to roll a smaller truck is far greater than a
>full sized truck.
>Having seen a few rolled truck/rolled trailer/dead
>horse accidents I will still stick with the big truck no
>matter how neato the trailer brakes are claimed to be.
And you'll have pry the keys to my 3/4 4x4 X-cab out of my cold
dead fingers!!
>
>Georgeanne Wilcox
>Oldenburg IN
Sue, dragging out the 12 gauge
RPM1
few months ago but since we decided against buying
one I tossed the info. Now a friend is interested in
buying a Brenderup and I'd like to give her some
information.
TIA
RPM1
>IMHO, a Benderup shouldn't be towed by anything less than a fullsized
truck,
What is your concern with the "toy" trucks?
Georgeanne Wilcox
> >IMHO, a Benderup shouldn't be towed by anything less than a fullsized
> truck,
> What is your concern with the "toy" trucks?
We own both a fullsize and 'toy' truck.
We did a test of sorts by putting one of those 6x12 flatbed
'carts' (for lack of a better word) loaded with some bricks
onto the back of my fullsize truck and my husband's 'toy' truck.
There was not much concern with the hauling end of things, but
when it came time to stop with the 'toy' it was definitely a
concern. Needless to say, we don't haul heavy stuff with the
toy anymore....
Georgeanne Wilcox
Oldenburg IN
RPM1
>There was not much concern with the hauling end of things, but
>when it came time to stop with the 'toy' it was definitely a
>concern.
That's where Brenderup's "Inertia" brakes would
come in handy. From the way they're described
they certainly make sense to me. Any one else
have the 411 on this type of trailer brakes?
Ruth CM
Wade & Wendy
topic related*G*), I was told that you should never tow with a smaller
truck. It has to do with the wheel base? You shouldn't haul anything wider
than the wheel base on your truck. It causes extra sway and it's harder to
maneuver. Also, unless you are living in a flat area, going up and down
mountains is harder on your engine. (Not to mention the other motorists
following behind as your truck lugs very slowly up the mountains.*G*) This
information was given to me a few years back, so things may have changed.
And I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.LOL
Wendy
>
>
>What is your concern with the "toy" trucks?
RPM1
>Having seen a few rolled truck/rolled trailer/dead horse accidents
I've only seen accidents/rescues involving horses on TV so
I wouldn't consider myself well informed on the subject.
Would you care to elaborate on your experience(s)...
-Were you on the scene?
-Did you see the accidents occur?
-How many horse trailer accidents have you witnessed
and/or provided assistance in?
-What were the weather and road conditions?
-What was the terrain like?
-Were the horses killed on impact or did they need to be
destroyed?
-What injuries did the horses suffer?
-Did you have a chance to talk with the drivers?
-If in the US, what part of the country?
-Specifically what trucks and what type of trailers were involved?
-Did the trailers maintain their integrity or did ramps and doors
open on impact?
-Were the drivers issued traffic tickets? If so, for what reason?
-What percentage of trucks and/or trailers were totaled?
-Were truck and trailer inspections current?
Ruth CM
Christine Watanabe
http://www.brenderuprealtrailers.com
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In article <7ll8mm$24ku$1...@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "RPM1"
<rp...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
R Bishop
"Christine Watanabe" <cri...@lava.net> wrote:
>Brenderup has a webpage at:
>
> http://www.brenderuprealtrailers.com
>
Just remember one thing. Trailer makers want to sell trailers. They
have no real interest in what happens on the road AFTER you buy the trailer.
They can always blame any accidents on your driving....
Sue
>--
>Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
>Chris Watanabe
>cri...@lava.net
>Wahiawa, Hawaii
>posted & mailed
>
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>In article <7ll8mm$24ku$1...@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "RPM1"
><rp...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>
>> I did get a list of appropriate trucks from Brenderup a
>> few months ago but since we decided against buying
>> one I tossed the info. Now a friend is interested in
>> buying a Brenderup and I'd like to give her some
>> information.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Ruth CM the throwing stuff out queen! :-\
>>
>>
Georgeanne Wilcox
cars and mentions small trucks as having some of the same
problems that SUVs have (same wheel base and height). The
ability to roll a smaller truck is far greater than a
full sized truck.
matter how neato the trailer brakes are claimed to be.
Georgeanne Wilcox
Oldenburg IN
RPM1
>Brenderup has a webpage at:
Yeah, I checked it out yesterday but I couldn't find (other
than a couple of little blurbs on horsepower...) the list of
specific vehicles. When Brenderup sent me their info
last year there was a whole page full of "possible" tow
vehicles. I would have liked to have given that to my
friend. She's trying real hard to walk that fine line between
family life and the horsey set. :-\
Ruth CM
Georgeanne Wilcox
I was driving by the accident on a mountain road in wet weather.
A small truck towing a two horse trailer skidded and rolled.
I don't stop to inquire at accidents (lookeeloos piss me off)
so I don't know the particulars.
The second one was at a barn I boarded at in KY. It was dry,
the small truck was towing a two horse trailer down a gravel
incline and started to slide. It rolled into the ditch by the
side of the drive and turned over. Only one of the horses was
killed, the other had minor injuries.
Georgeanne Wilcox
Oldenburg IN
Muleskinner
that because after you wreck, if you live, you can
go ahead and buy another Bend 'er Up.
"RPM1" <rp...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>I did get a list of appropriate trucks from Brenderup a
>few months ago but since we decided against buying
>one I tossed the info. Now a friend is interested in
>buying a Brenderup and I'd like to give her some
>information.
>TIA
>Ruth CM the throwing stuff out queen! :-\
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Tom Stovall
re: Trucks appropriate for pulling horse trailers.
>I did get a list of appropriate trucks from Brenderup a few months ago >but since we decided against buying one I tossed the info. Now a
>friend is interested in buying a Brenderup and I'd like to give her >some information...
Without comment on Brenderup trailers, how well do you like your friend?
If you're in the will, manufacturer's recommendations will do just fine;
if your friend is a keeper, an American made* half-ton pickup or van is
barely adequate and a three-quarter ton a much better (safer) choice.
The superior brakes, suspension, and floating axles of a three-quarter
ton are better to have than to need.
The big end of the SUVs have enough motor, and marginally adequate
brakes, but their suspensions are reminiscent of cornmeal mush which
makes them handle like a dirigible in a crosswind.
Tom Stovall CJF
Farrier & Blacksmith
sto...@wt.net
http://web.wt.net/~stovall
*I drive a Toyota T100 V6 4WD. It's great for hauling me and 500 or 600
lbs of tools and horseshoes and it's damn near impossible to get stuck,
but I think the truck is too underpowered and the brakes fade too
quickly to safely pull a loaded two horse.
Trujet
vehicles. They are also very aerodynamically designed and I have experienced
no sway when large trucks have gone zipping past me while towing.
Don't knock something unless you have tried it or have experience with it.
tm
RPM1
>I own a Brenderup and they were designed in Europe where you do not find
large
>vehicles.
Do you have any stats on Brenderup accidents in Europe?
>Don't knock something unless you have tried it or have experience with it.
Yep.
Ruth CM
Tom Stovall
>
>I own a Brenderup and they were designed in Europe where you do not >find large vehicles...
This will come as a shock to the folks at Volvo, Mercedes, Man, et al.
>They are also very aerodynamically designed and I have experienced
>no sway when large trucks have gone zipping past me while towing...
Folks who pull trailers with trucks and vans having adequate power,
brakes, and suspension often have little experience with large trucks
"zipping past." Quite to the contrary.
>Don't knock something unless you have tried it or have experience with >it...
I don't have any experience with pulling a loaded horse trailer with
anything smaller than a half-ton, but I do have a little experience with
pulling everything from bumper pull one-horses to six-horse goosenecks
with three-quarter-ton and one-ton trucks and vans.
As long as Newton's Laws remain in effect, pulling any kind of loaded
horse trailer with a SUV or small truck is irresponsible and near-
suicidal. The thought of being on the same stretch of road as some
worthy pulling any kind of loaded trailer with a small car or truck is
just as comforting as the thought of playing Russian roulette with a
Glock.
Tom Stovall CJF
Farrier & Blacksmith
sto...@wt.net
http://web.wt.net/~stovall
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Jorene Downs
RPM1 <rp...@frontiernet.net> wrote ...
I don't know the specs on a Brenderup - might be able to get away with
something like a Ford Expedition as a towing vehicle, which could certainly
haul plenty of family members around ...
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>by a narrow short 4x4 or a much undersized truck.
Yesterday when we were out riding, we stopped at the halfway point which
happens to be a parking lot/water trough/hitching area.
I saw a gal there pulling a 2 horse slant load, dressing room, steel Trails
West Trailer with one horse loaded with a Jeep Cherokee. Not a *Grand*
Cherokee, a teeny tiny little Cherokee that was about the size of a Toyota
Rav4. We all just stood there and stared as she drove off (or should I say the
trailer drove her off). The vehicle was smaller than the trailer. Amazing.
-Sutter
Wade & Wendy
there are some people doing something doesn't make it right. Common sense
tells you that if your trailer is wider and larger than your truck, that
things aren't going to add up.*S*
Wendy
Kamm2MacD <kamm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Tom Stovall <sto...@wt.net> wrote
> ....large vehicles...
> >
>
> Have you seen the Volvos and Mercedes in Europe???? ... and saw many a
Brenderup pulled in Europe by such cars. Apparently
> safely...
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Have you seen the Volvos and Mercedes in Europe???? Not large... models that
aren't marketed here because they are too small - and would be too expensive
-to compete with the economy AM. market. I own a V70 wagon, not itself really
a big car... and saw many a Brenderup pulled in Europe by such cars. Apparently
safely... Of course, not on the Autobahn...........
Tom Stovall
re: No large vehicles in Europe? "This will come as a shock to the folks
at Volvo, Mercedes, Man, et al..." -TS
>
>Have you seen the Volvos and Mercedes in Europe???? Not large...
Not large? The Volvo FH series and Mercedes Actros are a big as anything
you'll find on public roads in the states.
>models that aren't marketed here because they are too small - and would >be too expensive -to compete with the economy AM. market...
Whoa! In response to the claim that one does not find "large vehicles"
in Europe, I listed three truck manufacturers, including one outfit,
MAN, that I believe makes only trucks.
>I own a V70 wagon, not itself really a big car... and saw many a >Brenderup pulled in Europe by such cars. Apparently safely... Of >course, not on the Autobahn...
It's possible to pull a loaded two horse trailer with a small SUV or
truck, but such a rig is underpowered, difficult to steer, and most
importantly, impossible to stop on a timely basis. The thought of
somebody using a Cherokee to pull a loaded Brenderup down the Interstate
at posted speeds scares the peewaddleydoo out of me.
Tom Stovall CJF
Farrier & Blacksmith
sto...@wt.net
http://web.wt.net/~stovall
Pues, estamos aquí.
Bill Kambic
> Have you seen the Volvos and Mercedes in Europe???? Not large... models that
> aren't marketed here because they are too small - and would be too expensive
> -to compete with the economy AM. market.
Yes, I have seen Volvos and Mercedes and in Europe and they have the same big
models we have here. Not in vast numbers, mind you. At $4.00/gal for petrol (or
benzene or whatever they call it in any given area) you will not find many
Suburbans!<g> But they are there in the stables of the rich and famous. Or maybe
just rich.
> I own a V70 wagon, not itself really
> a big car... and saw many a Brenderup pulled in Europe by such cars. Apparently
> safely... Of course, not on the Autobahn...........
Perhaps the fact that they were not on the Autobahn should give us a hint!
Whenever you drop below the bare minimum (a full size half ton, pickup or SUV like
the Suburban) you are taking a risk. Maybe this risk is reasonable if you never
leave the Great Plains, never exceed 30 mph, weigh each and every item you put in
the vehicle (including gas, passengers, tack, etc.) so as to never exceed the
stated weight limitation, etc. Most folks, however, are not so obsessive.
Get the 3/4 ton pickup/SUV. You will have all the towing capacity you need for up
to two horses plus all the gear plus reasonable operating expenses without a tow.
Bill Kambic, Bright Star Farm, Kingston, TN
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Bill Kambic <wka...@vic.com> wrote:
> Maybe this risk is reasonable if
you never
> leave the Great Plains, never exceed 30 mph,
Maybe I'm just an old fogey fart, but I was always taught never to
exceed 45 mph pulling a trailer anyway. Slower or just don't roll (if
possible) if the weather is bad and roads are slick.
Of course, this was 25 years ago in the days Before Trailer Brakes as
standard equipment.
I still don't think I'd ever have the brass cojones to go faster than 45
anyway....
--
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>R Bishop:
>>IMHO, a Benderup shouldn't be towed by anything less than a fullsized
>truck,
>What is your concern with the "toy" trucks?
>Brakes, rear, engine? Is the issue damage
>to truck or to fellow motorists?
Wheelbase and weight. When you need these two things, nothing else will do.
Horsepower will jerk a wayward trailer straight, unless you have
the wheelbase and weight to keep it straight, you're just going faster
with the very thing that got you out of shape to begin with still
fastened to the rear of your toy truck.
Massive braking abilty will certainly help bring things to a halt,
unfortunately all the brake power on the planet does nothing to keep
things straight while doing so.
One more time. If the wheelbase of the thing doing the towing is
smaller than the wheelbase formed by the that thing doing the towing's
rear wheels and the trailer's front wheels then the trailer is on the
easy end of a lever and it's going to do its damnedest to push you
around.
Vis-a-vis the issue here, what violence someone might wreak on their
truck is their business, my only concern is having to share the road
with this particular flavor of idiot.
--
Terry
Time is nature's way of keeping everything
from happening at once.
Bill Kambic
> In article <3780BB3A...@vic.com>,
> Bill Kambic <wka...@vic.com> wrote:
> > Maybe this risk is reasonable if
> you never
> > leave the Great Plains, never exceed 30 mph,
>
> Maybe I'm just an old fogey fart, but I was always taught never to
> exceed 45 mph pulling a trailer anyway. Slower or just don't roll (if
> possible) if the weather is bad and roads are slick.
>
> Of course, this was 25 years ago in the days Before Trailer Brakes as
> standard equipment.
>
> I still don't think I'd ever have the brass cojones to go faster than 45
> anyway....
Damn, I hope you don't spend any time on I-75!!!<g>
Actually, I think a well constructed modern trailer with operational brakes
is reasonably safe at legal, highway speeds. I have "had my doors blown
off" a couple of times by folks moving at close to Warp Factor 9 while
towing some pretty large equine rigs. I am not sure that I would have the
"cajones" to do 85 to 90 mph with a load of horses.
Ross
RPM1 wrote:
> I did get a list of appropriate trucks from Brenderup a
> few months ago but since we decided against buying
> one I tossed the info. Now a friend is interested in
> buying a Brenderup and I'd like to give her some
> information.
>
> TIA
>
> Ruth CM the throwing stuff out queen! :-\
Ruth,
I own a Brenderup Prestige - the smallest model which comfortably holds
my 16.3 hh Belgian TB X and my 16.1 hh Canadian X - both reasonably
large guys. I am very pleased with it, although it gets badmouthed by
those who only have ever been around conventional horse trailers. They
are convinced that it is a one horse trailer until they actually see the
boys inside and riding easily together.
>From the Brenderup literature:
Specs:
Internal Measurements:
Length - 11'6
Width - 5'6
Height - 7'4
Total length - 14'9
Total width - 7'1
Total height - 9'3
Gross Weight - 4,400 lbs
Net Weight - 1,700 lbs
Inertial brakes on all four wheels - 2 rubber torsion axles with shock
absorbers and independent suspension to each road wheel - 185/65 R14
tires. Because of the chassis and body design, tongue weight is
engineered at 3.5% of total weight rather than the 10% of a conventional
trailer
(End direct quotes from Brenderup.)
However, according to Brenderup, the real differences between their
trailers and conventional trailers is the aerodynamic design which
minimizes trailer sway and the inertial brakes which essentially start
the trailer braking as soon as the towing vehicle starts to slow - even
before the towing vehicle starts to apply its brakes. I can attest to
the lack of sway at highway speeds and the ease with which the trailer
tows. Fortunately, I have yet to need to make any emergency maneuvers
with a loaded trailer so I can't vouch for more than that.
The trailer does appear to be designed with the safety of the horse in
mind.
The kicker, however, is that I tow my Brenderup with a Ford F150
Extendacab with the towing package, so I am already at the light end of
a proper towing vehicle for a conventional towhees trailer.
Ross and Atlas (who is becoming blasé about trailering now that he is
going to a show every weekend.)
R Bishop
jaz...@aol.comzzz (J.A.Zanot) wrote:
>>From: R Bishop
>
>>One local airhead used to brag about pulling a two horse trailer
>>with a bumper hitch on a Mustang..... Shudder....
>
>LOL... does the BLM have a brochure on this when you adopt?
Obviously it's something that never even crossed their minds!
>Tail-sway-assist-bars?
Gotta admit, the breaks would work pretty well, although I do have
some concerns about steering and accelleration!
>
>Couldn't resist!
>
Yeah, it was definitely a golden opportunity.
sue
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>One local airhead used to brag about pulling a two horse trailer
>with a bumper hitch on a Mustang..... Shudder....
LOL... does the BLM have a brochure on this when you adopt?
Tail-sway-assist-bars?
Couldn't resist!
La la99892
as are gooseneck trailers (the wheel bases are too wide on both).
People haul with landrovers, Isuzus and I've seen pics (and had this confirmed
on another newsgroup) of Volvos and Peugots!
Bigger is probably going to be safer, but how "American" we are in our
attitudes about this thread ('bigger is ALWAYS just better")!!!
sd
Charles Fort/Sasha Fort; Yvonne Newport
>It's interesting to note that in England, "American style" pick ups are illegal
>as are gooseneck trailers (the wheel bases are too wide on both)
>
Interesting. Another item to the mix: in some countries on the
continent, at least, it's a lot more difficult and expensive to get
your drivers license than in North America, so the drivers are better
trained. I wonder if this translates into safer drivers?
William P.Milam
>
> On 07 Jul 1999 14:33:43 GMT, lala...@aol.com (La la99892) wrote:
>
> >It's interesting to note that in England, "American style" pick ups are illegal
> >as are gooseneck trailers (the wheel bases are too wide on both)
Wrong. There are full size F series pick ups on the road in the UK.
A Transit is just as large as a F series P/U and they are all
over the place. As to goosenecks, since there are so few vehicles
able to tow them, it's not clear that there is a business case for
manufacturers.
> >
>
> Interesting. Another item to the mix: in some countries on the
> continent, at least, it's a lot more difficult and expensive to get
> your drivers license than in North America, so the drivers are better
> trained. I wonder if this translates into safer drivers?
Nope. They are just as stupid, careless, inattentive, rude and
insane as any other driver. They have to work harder to pass the
test, but after the test it's Katie Bar the Door time....Why do you
think they call those handles over the passenger door 'Jesus' handles?
Bill
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