Horse show rules re: one eyed horses
David J Cohen
My two year old quarter horse filly had a terrible accident the night
before she was to go to a trainer. As a result she lost her right eye. I
know I cannot show her in AQHA shows, or I believe that is correct. I want
to train her anyway, she has a great disposition. Does anyone know the
rules for 1) open shows, 2) 4-H shows, 3) dressage, 4) Reining
Competition? It seems to me that if the horse is competing against a
score,not in the ring at the same time as other horses, especially
dressage or reining, and being blind in one eye is disability, not an
advantage that maybe the rules would allow?
Thanks for help, Judy - Greenfield, Ma.
Lorie
One eye-ed horses are okay in the jumper arena -- if they're safe. Some
horses might take exception to not being able to see the fences from
both sides. My gelding, who has reduced vision in one eye, has to be
steered very carefully to fences because he can only really see the left
standard. He doesn't always seem to notice that there's another one on
the right side, too, so he'll drift over to the right. Of course, this
is a problem for a lot of horses -- mine just has a better *excuse*. <g>
I know the AHSA rules for hunters require a horse to be servicably
sound, which ordinarily includes good vision in both eyes. Recognized
shows might disqualify your horse from hunter divisions. Local unrated
schooling shows might not be that picky.
--
Lorie
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Judy wrote:
>My two year old quarter horse filly had a terrible accident the night
>before she was to go to a trainer. As a result she lost her right eye. I
>know I cannot show her in AQHA shows, or I believe that is correct. I want
>to train her anyway, she has a great disposition.
Don't know what the rules say about this, but the vet/
opthamologist that examined my mare after she mangled
her eye told me about "equine protheses"! (sp???) She
said people have had a "contact lens" created to fit over
the eye that looks like a normal eye. It would probably
cost a *few bucks* so I wasn't interested (I'm a pleasure
rider anyway, not interested in the showring) but it's
something you could check into. 'Course, you'd have
to find out about the rules regarding that too....
Carol Nichols
Libertyville, IL
....where spring has finally sprung!
(IOW....the damn bugs are out!)
David J Cohen
My two year old quarter horse filly had a terrible accident the night
before she was to go to a trainer. As a result she lost her right eye. I
know I cannot show her in AQHA shows, or I believe that is correct. I want
Janet Gunn
In article <davidc-0505...@iplink233.crocker.com>,
dav...@crocker.com (David J Cohen) wrote:
>My two year old quarter horse filly had a terrible accident the night
>before she was to go to a trainer. As a result she lost her right eye. I
>know I cannot show her in AQHA shows, or I believe that is correct. I want
>to train her anyway, she has a great disposition. Does anyone know the
>rules for 1) open shows, 2) 4-H shows, 3) dressage, 4) Reining
>Competition?
One eyed horses legally compete in combined training.
Janet Gunn
Doug Shetler
David J Cohen wrote in message ...
>My two year old quarter horse filly had a terrible accident the night
>before she was to go to a trainer. As a result she lost her right eye. I
>know I cannot show her in AQHA shows, or I believe that is correct. I want
>to train her anyway, she has a great disposition. Does anyone know the
>rules for 1) open shows, 2) 4-H shows, 3) dressage, 4) Reining
>Competition? It seems to me that if the horse is competing against a
>score,not in the ring at the same time as other horses, especially
>dressage or reining, and being blind in one eye is disability, not an
>advantage that maybe the rules would allow?
>Thanks for help, Judy - Greenfield, Ma.
You can get a glass eye for the horse in some cases depending upon the
condition of the horse. I know of a Dutch Warmblood stallion with one good
eye and one fake eye that showed at 4th level in the Los Angeles area. I
also recall that some famous dressage horse had only one good eye.
Doug Shetler
Kathy Yolles
There was a very famous American Saddlebred named Glenview's Warlock who won
several world championships and only had one eye. He wore a prosthetic.
As I recall, Helen Crabtree (a VERY famous saddlebred instructor and
trainer) owned and/or trained the horse almost his entire life. When she
started showing him, other trainers protested the use of a glass eye, saying
it was an artificial enhancement. I think that for a while Warlock could
only be shown in equitation classes, not performance because of his
"handicap". Crabtree campaigned to have the rules changed, and the horse
was a World Champion three-gaited performance horse as well as being
probably the greatest Saddleseat equitation horse ever!
You can read about him in Helen Crabtree's books, "Saddleseat Equitation"
(he's on the cover of the old edition) and "Hold Your Horses."
Kathy
In article <davidc-0405...@iplink250.crocker.com>,
dav...@crocker.com (David J Cohen) wrote:
AIC Jordee
At the barn I visit during the summer, we have a lesson horse/pony who only
has one eye who has competed in open shows for many of years. Her socket has a
plastic ball in it . It just looks like her eye is closed.
jordan ekern
Richard Bishop
In article <davidc-0505...@iplink233.crocker.com>,
dav...@crocker.com (David J Cohen) wrote:
>My two year old quarter horse filly had a terrible accident the night
>before she was to go to a trainer. As a result she lost her right eye. I
>know I cannot show her in AQHA shows, or I believe that is correct. I want
>to train her anyway, she has a great disposition. Does anyone know the
>rules for 1) open shows, 2) 4-H shows, 3) dressage, 4) Reining
>Competition? It seems to me that if the horse is competing against a
>score,not in the ring at the same time as other horses, especially
>dressage or reining, and being blind in one eye is disability, not an
>advantage that maybe the rules would allow?
>Thanks for help, Judy - Greenfield, Ma.
>
It depends on the shows, but in our area, there have been at least a couple
of horses showing that were blind in one eye. Open shows and 4H shows.
(BTW, all 4H shows in our area ARE open shows, they just have a few 4H
only classes.)
I'd take the horse to the shows. If you don't get kicked out, you're in!
Sue
Lynn Wilhelm
Richard Bishop wrote:
> It depends on the shows, but in our area, there have been at least a couple
> of horses showing that were blind in one eye. Open shows and 4H shows.
> (BTW, all 4H shows in our area ARE open shows, they just have a few 4H
> only classes.)
>
Where are you located, Sue. I lived in Barnesville, Maryland when I was
young. I was the luckiest girl in the world when we lived next to a
barn. As a boarding stable, it was called Hidden Valley Stables, before
that it was part of AL-Marah (arab folks know that name).
I made a real nuisance of myself and was able to work there a bit--I
made a dollar/day helping bring horses in and helped feed. I got to
ride eventually and was able to show in several shows there. I have
always remembered those shows as 4-H shows. I wasn't in 4-H for some of
the shows, and I swear I remembered adults in those shows. I'd thought
I was remembering wrong because around here all of the 4-H shows I've
heard of are for members only.
Anyway, just needed a bit of nostalgia today, I guess. BTW, I'd love to
hear from anyone in that area during that time--1974?-1979. When I was
at Difficult Run HT a few years ago, a friend and I drove up to
Barnesville. The barn is privately owned now and the owner let us walk
about a bit. A bay TB named Boldette was still there--I think she was
one of the early boarders at Hidden Valley.
Oops, more nostalgia! I rode hunt seat then--all I remember is heels
down, toes in and pain!! Somehow, I still loved it. The only thing I
knew of dressage was that this very handsome farrier, Jean, did it. We
watched him sometimes--he was cute! But never watched enough to learn
anything. I remember, once he took his shirt off--ohhhh handsome
shirtless man on gorgeous gray horse!!
Also, the barn manager, was Tommy Magaha. The last I heard of him was
in Hunter and Sport Horse (I think) about how he was training a dressage
horse to also do team penning (or was it roping?)
Please e-mail or post similar Maryland memories.
Lynn--fondly remembering Zeke, Freckles, Oakie, Needlepoint, and Queenie
Oh and that stallion Charlie--I used to hang out in his stall, grooming
him--crazy kid!!
Richard Bishop
In article <3560ED...@unity.ncsu.edu>,
Lynn Wilhelm <lswi...@unity.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>Richard Bishop wrote:
>> It depends on the shows, but in our area, there have been at least a couple
>> of horses showing that were blind in one eye. Open shows and 4H shows.
>> (BTW, all 4H shows in our area ARE open shows, they just have a few 4H
>> only classes.)
>>
>
>Where are you located, Sue. I lived in Barnesville, Maryland when I was
>young. I was the luckiest girl in the world when we lived next to a
>barn. As a boarding stable, it was called Hidden Valley Stables, before
>that it was part of AL-Marah (arab folks know that name).
I'm in Ohio. And I'm quite well acquainted with Al-Marah Arabians, I've
spent two summers in their Adult Horse CAmp in Williams, Az. All of my
horses are strongly Al-Marah bloodlines. Al-Marah is justly famous for
producing the most athletic and good natured Arabians in the world.
>
>I made a real nuisance of myself and was able to work there a bit--I
>made a dollar/day helping bring horses in and helped feed. I got to
>ride eventually and was able to show in several shows there. I have
>always remembered those shows as 4-H shows. I wasn't in 4-H for some of
>the shows, and I swear I remembered adults in those shows. I'd thought
>I was remembering wrong because around here all of the 4-H shows I've
>heard of are for members only.
All of our local 4H shows are put on with lots of open classes, from walk-trot
for novice riders, to a few contest events.
>
>Anyway, just needed a bit of nostalgia today, I guess. BTW, I'd love to
>hear from anyone in that area during that time--1974?-1979. When I was
>at Difficult Run HT a few years ago, a friend and I drove up to
>Barnesville. The barn is privately owned now and the owner let us walk
>about a bit. A bay TB named Boldette was still there--I think she was
>one of the early boarders at Hidden Valley.
>
Mrs. T., owner of Al-Marah is still quite active with her horses and
will be coming east in September since she is honoree at a Crabbet Arabian
event at the Kentucky Horse Park on Labor Day Weekend.
>Oops, more nostalgia! I rode hunt seat then--all I remember is heels
>down, toes in and pain!! Somehow, I still loved it. The only thing I
>knew of dressage was that this very handsome farrier, Jean, did it. We
>watched him sometimes--he was cute! But never watched enough to learn
>anything. I remember, once he took his shirt off--ohhhh handsome
>shirtless man on gorgeous gray horse!!
>
>Also, the barn manager, was Tommy Magaha. The last I heard of him was
>in Hunter and Sport Horse (I think) about how he was training a dressage
>horse to also do team penning (or was it roping?)
>
>Please e-mail or post similar Maryland memories.
>
>Lynn--fondly remembering Zeke, Freckles, Oakie, Needlepoint, and Queenie
>Oh and that stallion Charlie--I used to hang out in his stall, grooming
>him--crazy kid!!
>
>> I'd take the horse to the shows. If you don't get kicked out, you're in!
>>
>> Sue
>
Sue
Goboyfan
Well I grew up around the Harford Co. Equestrian Center in Bel Air. I showed
everything from grade horses to Paso Fino's there. My family was involved in
the Equestrian Center for many years. We also showed at My Ladies Manor. And
I did show a totally blind Paso Mare in 4-H then. Lots of memories when I read
your post. Thanks for a nice note. If was fun thinking about all the people I
used to show with and where they might be today and of course all those great
horses. Wow where has the time gone.
Have a great day all
JUDI SCOTT
Sue,
As long as the horse is not totally blind, I believe she can show at any
show . There is a one eyed horse who has been showing on the A circuit near us
for several years.
Judi
Richard Bishop wrote:
> In article <davidc-0505...@iplink233.crocker.com>,
> dav...@crocker.com (David J Cohen) wrote:
> >My two year old quarter horse filly had a terrible accident the night
> >before she was to go to a trainer. As a result she lost her right eye. I
> >know I cannot show her in AQHA shows, or I believe that is correct. I want
> >to train her anyway, she has a great disposition. Does anyone know the
> >rules for 1) open shows, 2) 4-H shows, 3) dressage, 4) Reining
> >Competition? It seems to me that if the horse is competing against a
> >score,not in the ring at the same time as other horses, especially
> >dressage or reining, and being blind in one eye is disability, not an
> >advantage that maybe the rules would allow?
> >Thanks for help, Judy - Greenfield, Ma.
> >
>
> It depends on the shows, but in our area, there have been at least a couple
> of horses showing that were blind in one eye. Open shows and 4H shows.
> (BTW, all 4H shows in our area ARE open shows, they just have a few 4H
> only classes.)
>
> I'd take the horse to the shows. If you don't get kicked out, you're in!
>
> Sue
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Lynn Wilhelm
Sue, Thanks for responding.
My parents bought the house in Md. after Mrs. Tankersly (sp?) stopped
using the 'satellite barn' next door. The barn managers used to live in
the house we bought. Our house was one short walk from the barn--simply
heaven. We moved in when the barn was still empty, so we were able to
have a bit of fun playing in the place! I really thought of it as *my*
barn.
Hidden Valley also hosted the Blue Ridge Arabian show--it was a really
big deal then. I think this was a legacy of the Al-Marah connection. I
remember I could not show in that one--only for Arabs and 1/2 Arabs.
BTW Sue, I'm originally from Ohio (my dad was an IBMer). My parent's
families live in the Akron and Youngstown areas.
Lynn--realizing I've lived at my place longer than I've lived anywhere
else!!
Jane H. Kilberg
In article <3564D717...@epix.net>, JUDI SCOTT <wate...@epix.net> wrote:
(snipped parts)
> As long as the horse is not totally blind, I believe she can show at any
> show . There is a one eyed horse who has been showing on the A circuit near us
> for several years.
> > In article <davidc-0505...@iplink233.crocker.com>,
> > dav...@crocker.com (David J Cohen) wrote:
> > >My two year old quarter horse filly had a terrible accident the night
> > >before she was to go to a trainer. As a result she lost her right eye. I
> > >know I cannot show her in AQHA shows, or I believe that is correct.
Unless there is a specific rule in the AQHA rule book that states a horse
that is totally or partially blind cannot show, I wouldn't worry about it.
Check your rule book or call the AQHA show dept. and ask.
down the tejas trails....
jane kilberg & her GOS (Gang of Spots) in the great nation of tejas
L2gator
AHSA Dressage Division Article 1919 provides that "Horses showing evidence of .
. . complete loss of sight in either eye are permitted to compete." This is an
exception to AHSA General Rules Article 303, which provides, "Unless specific
division rules state otherwise, all animals except stallions and mares in
Breeding classes must be serviceably sound for competition purposes, i.e., such
animal must not show evidence of lameness, broken wind or complete loss of
sight in either eye." Article 1204 provides that the veterinarian's decision
as to whether a horse is serviceably sound, rendered at the request of the
judge, is final. Hope it helps!
l2g...@aol.com
Mary Huwaldt
Foal's Paradise Farm