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Sunny Kay

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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Have discovered two large groundhog holes in my riding ring -- right on
the rail (bad spot!) Any ideas as to how to get rid of the groundhogs so
they don't return or make new holes when I fill these?? Also how to fill??
Thank you all for helping!

Mary Beth (sunn...@aol.com)

Mary Rossano

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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I saw this and just had to tell you about what worked for a friend of
ours (Dan).

Dan had moles all over his yard. In fact, they were all over his rural
neighborhood. These critters were driving the lawn-freaks nuts. One day
he decided to take action...

Dan has a collection of vintage cars and motorcycles, and all the
equipment that he needs for restorations. This includes oxy-acetylene
torches. Dan dragged the torches out to his yard, lit up a good flame,
snuffed out the torch and put the torch tip into a mole tunnel. The
phone rang, so he went to the house, took the call, had some lunch; then
he remembered the torch.

When he got back outside, he found that the tanks had emptied themselves.
He wasn't sure how full they had been to start with, but he figured he
had enough in there. He put a fuse into the mole tunnel, lit it and
stepped back.

The force of the blast knocked him off his feet. The sod (in his words)
"looked like somebody was shaking out a rug". Towers of flame shot up
from the mole hills all over the neighborhood. People reported that they
had flames come into their leaky basements. Fortunately, there was no
damage to propery or loss of human life.

As for the moles- what moles? They haven't been seen around that
neighborhood in years now. Problem solved!

Mary (don't try this at home, kids) Rossano


Heather Burdette

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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In article <3vsbn4$m...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sunn...@aol.com (Sunny Kay)
wrote:

I've been told if you put a glass bottle, with the open end up, into the
hole this will chase them out. Apparently the wind whistling over the
bottle drives them crazy. Just be careful not to ride over the bottles.

I've also heard of just pouring gasoline down the holes.

I think some of the gardening and novelty catalogs sell things you can
stick in the ground that emit some sort of sonic wave into the ground and
keeps them away. I would try the bottle first. It seems pretty effective
and definately the least expensive.
--
Heather Burdette
Columbus, OH
burde...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu

YOUR NAME

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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In article <3vsbn4$m...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sunn...@aol.com (Sunny Kay) says:
>
>Have discovered two large groundhog holes in my riding ring -- right on
>the rail (bad spot!) Any ideas as to how to get rid of the groundhogs so
>they don't return or make new holes when I fill these?? Also how to fill??
>Thank you all for helping!
>
>Mary Beth (sunn...@aol.com)


Mary Beth:

Go to your local Nursery or Hardware Store. They will have gopher gasses and
poisoned grain to put in the holes. You can also use hiway flares. Light them
and stick them down the hole. Cover the hole and hope.

Good Luck

Art

kcar...@u.washington.edu

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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In order of preference:

1) live trap, release them at an unpleasent neighbor's (if you don't
have one, I'll provide you with an address.

2) leave dog (terrier-type) in arena overnight until ghs disappear.
should take about 5 minutes.

Kris
kcar...@u.washington.edu


mmc...@delphi.com

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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Mary Rossano <ross...@cvm.msu.edu> writes:

>Dan had moles all over his yard. In fact, they were all over his rural
>neighborhood. These critters were driving the lawn-freaks nuts. One day
>he decided to take action...

<Snipped story of incredible story about removing groundhogs>


>The force of the blast knocked him off his feet. The sod (in his words)
>"looked like somebody was shaking out a rug". Towers of flame shot up
>from the mole hills all over the neighborhood. People reported that they
>had flames come into their leaky basements. Fortunately, there was no
>damage to propery or loss of human life.


Hey... wasn't this made into a movie more than a few years back? Does
your friend Dan bear a striking resemblance to Bill Murray?

Are you sure you didn't make this up :-)?

Whatta story! Wait a minute... do you think your friend Dan would be
interested in attending the next bogbash? We can change the name
from "Bogbash" to "BogBlast" ;-).

Too bad no one caught this on videotape.

Mary McHugh
(mmc...@delphi.com OR mch...@watson.ibm.com)

Laura Carlson

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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Get a Rat Terrier-we have NO rodents in our area after "Reggie" started
patrolling!!! Bye-Bye moles-groundhogs-rabbits, etc. Consider adding a
rodent dog to your barn dogs-I'm sure lots of breeds qualify!!!


Marcy Jackson

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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I believe I once saw an ad for antigopher plants in a flower catalog.
Does anyone know about these and are they effective? I don't have
gophers but was just curious.
--
___________________________________________________________________
Marcy Jackson mjj...@ix.netcom.com Dallas, Texas USA


Marcy Jackson

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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Any fellow rec.equestrians going to the AJQHA World Championships in
Ft. Worth, Texas (August 5-12)?

Elizabeth Dorsett (QC)

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Aug 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/4/95
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I posed the same question about a month ago.
The responses I got included shooting the
gophers, poisoning them or setting humane
traps available through the Humane Society
or your local vet. I have also had someone
tell me to hose them out (requires a lot of
water since usually the tunnel system they dig
is extensive). One person even said to pour used
kitty litter into the top of the hole & this would
run them off!

As far as filling them goes...try crusher run,
old horse manure, a bulldozer in order to cave
in the tunnels & refill with dirt....can't
remember any other suggestions but hope this
helps!


Corey Lee Bishop

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Aug 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/5/95
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Laura Carlson (LLCa...@MMM.com) wrote:
: Get a Rat Terrier-we have NO rodents in our area after "Reggie" started
: patrolling!!! Bye-Bye moles-groundhogs-rabbits, etc. Consider adding a
: rodent dog to your barn dogs-I'm sure lots of breeds qualify!!!


Durn, if this was years ago, I'd loan you Roscoe. Roscoe was a coon
hound, owned by my dad. Roscoe had a mission on life. Eradicate
all the groundhogs in the world. Dad was disgusted because Roscoe
was supposed to hunt coons with him. But Roscoe would spend all his
waking moments digging out groundhogs. We'd see him come up the drive
way, dragging an enormous groundhog.

Sue


Geoff Nix

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Aug 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/5/95
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We had a toy poodle who used to git them hogs! His name was
Hero and he never weighed more than 8 pounds in his life.
The joke around here was that when Hero was huntin' hogs,
he would strap them to the hood of his pickup and bring 'em
home for supper. I hear that they are great with popcorn
stuffing (honest!).
Jack Russell terriers (or *terrorists* as we call ours) are
also especially good at rodent killing. They don't give up
and when they get stuck in the hog holes, you cn just pull
them out by their little tails. Ever wonder why their
tails are docked to the width of a man's (or woman's) hand?
It really *is* to pull them out of fox holes or hog holes!!
Deb & the "Hayburners"

Mary Rossano

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Aug 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/5/95
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mmc...@delphi.com wrote:
>
>Hey... wasn't this made into a movie more than a few years back? Does
>your friend Dan bear a striking resemblance to Bill Murray?
>
>Are you sure you didn't make this up :-)?
>
>Whatta story! Wait a minute... do you think your friend Dan would be
>interested in attending the next bogbash? We can change the name
>from "Bogbash" to "BogBlast" ;-).
>
Dan is a real person, I swear! He's about 5'10", wirey build, 50ish...
looks nothing like Bill Murray. He told the story to my husband, who now
tells it at all our campfire bogbashes. If you knew Dan, you'd believe
it! In fact, back when Dan still *drank a bit* he was the source of many
good stories and antecdotes. There is even a "the day Dan quit drinking"
story....

One morning, after a night of carousing, Dan awoke on a couch in a living
room he did not recognize. The people who lived in the house didn't
recognize him either, but they determined that he wasn't a criminal so
they offered to take him home. Dan rode off in the husband's car,
wondering aloud about the whereabouts of his truck. The man asked him
"is it a white Ford pickup?". "Yes," Dan replied. "Is that it over
there, parked by the side of the road?" "Yeah. Funny, I don't remember
leaving it there... where are my keys?... oh, it's still *running*!"

He doesn't drink any more. Too bad Bogbashes weren't an option when he
did, he would have fit right in!

Mary (OK, the mosquito story was slightly exagerated) Rossano

s...@ms13.mis.semi.harris.com

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Aug 5, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/5/95
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Marcy Jackson (mjj...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Any fellow rec.equestrians going to the AJQHA World Championships in

: Ft. Worth, Texas (August 5-12)?
: --


I personally am not going, but would like to wish "Good Luck" to the Florida
Youths. My trainer, Cindy Reddish, has 4 youths out there, which I am sure will
be representing the countries best in Working Hunter, Equitation Over Fences,
Hunter Hack, Hunter Under Saddle and English Equitation. If you go, look for
Samantha O'Bannon & Noble Money, Alexis Brown & Tig Newton, Jamie Wiggins &
World Class Material and Sandra Lines & Natalie Remalue. Good luck girls!!

Sandy & Al (Alabama Flight)


s...@sos.net

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Aug 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/6/95
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> YOUR-...@ns.net (YOUR NAME) writes:
> In article <3vsbn4$m...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sunn...@aol.com (Sunny
Kay) says:
> >
> >Have discovered two large groundhog holes in my riding ring -- right on
> >the rail (bad spot!) Any ideas as to how to get rid of the groundhogs so
> >
I too have experienced problems with ground hogs
in the arena where I ride, but they are usually mounted
on horses and riding in and out of the paths of other
riders! (g)

They seem to be horribly short-sighted, and nearly deaf,
as they ride on totally oblivious to the shouts of the riders
that they very nearly collide with!

Any ideas for getting rid of this sort of 'ground hog'???

Susan,
s...@sos.net

Eve Dexter

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Aug 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/6/95
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sunn...@aol.com (Sunny Kay) wrote:

>Have discovered two large groundhog holes in my riding ring -- right on
>the rail (bad spot!) Any ideas as to how to get rid of the groundhogs so

>they don't return or make new holes when I fill these?? Also how to fill??
>Thank you all for helping!

>Mary Beth (sunn...@aol.com)

Dear Mary Beth,

There is a product on the market called a grounhog or woodchuck bomb.
You fill in one hole, light the fuse on the 'bomb' and drop it in the
other hole. Fill in that one so no smoke escapes (there may be more
holes around so check. If too much smoke escapes elseware, repeat the
process.(Good instructions come with the package, just make sure you
have enough dirt,with you when 'bombing').

The other problem you have (wait 'til the next day to make sure the
holes haven't been dug out again) is the 'bridge' area. If the holes
are close together (5-6 feet) the tunnel is often shallow and after
time the horses can break through. You may have to dig down a little
between the holes to check if you have a 'bridge' situation (the nest
will be deep and therefore you shouldn't encounter a dead animal), you
have to dig it out and re-fill.

You may be able to assess the 'bridge' situation before bombing by
probing with a stick into the holes to decide the angle of the
tunnels. If they go down fairly quickly, you wont have an obvious and
therefore dangerous cave-in problem.

Please don't discount the 'bridge' situation between 2 close holes. I
have witnessed a horse go down in one while galloping out on the trail
and break it's leg.

Good Luck
Eve
eve...@hookup.net
Ontario, Canada


Carolinp

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Aug 6, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/6/95
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My dachshunds are great ground hog eliminators, but I did have to get the
rescue squad to come dig out one who was stuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Carol in Spotsylvania, VA

Mary Rossano

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Aug 7, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/7/95
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s...@sos.net wrote:

>> >
>I too have experienced problems with ground hogs
>in the arena where I ride, but they are usually mounted
>on horses and riding in and out of the paths of other
>riders! (g)
>
>They seem to be horribly short-sighted, and nearly deaf,
>as they ride on totally oblivious to the shouts of the riders
>that they very nearly collide with!
>
>Any ideas for getting rid of this sort of 'ground hog'???
>
>Susan,
>s...@sos.net
>

I think explosives will work in this case, too.

Mary Rossano

Ei

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Aug 7, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/7/95
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Ok--I used to work in Wildlife rehab., and we'd get gopher/groundhog/etc
in garden calls from people who were not keen on killing them, just
wanted them to move on. We had a recipe for that--you make a
water-based "hot" sauce and spray it on the groundhogs food--the grass
around the ring, etc. Combine that with thekitty litter, and you should
be on your way. (kitty litter in the hole) take cayanne pepper and hot
sauce, add a gallon of water, and put it in a spraybottle and spray all
around the holes. It burns their little feet and mouths when they walk
around and eat--so they take off. Good luck. ei

Linda Cowles @ PCB x5624

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Aug 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/8/95
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In article <3vu3fi$m...@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, mjj...@ix.netcom.com (Marcy Jackson ) writes:
|> I believe I once saw an ad for antigopher plants in a flower catalog.
|> Does anyone know about these and are they effective? I don't have
|> gophers but was just curious...


Gophers won't eat gopher purge, but they will eat everything around it!
I let this stuff grow wild in my english-style border garden, for 2 years
and it didn't slow the gohers down much, if at all.

I heard that gopher-purge is becoming a nusance plant in some areas
(like the much hated star-thistle) so you may not want to get started.

--

Linda Cowles
Mentor Graphics Corp
San Jose, Ca
linda_...@mentorg.com


Sullys Maze

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Aug 8, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/8/95
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In article <4080gv$a...@oddball.sjc.MENTORG.COM>,

Yep-it's one of those exotic plants that the Exotic Pest Plant
Council and Calif. Native Plant Society want banned for sale in
Calif. It displaces native plants and ecosystems

Karen


Clare E. Aukofer

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Aug 9, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/9/95
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Could you maybe just capture a couple of the groundhogs and
lunge them 'til they're exhausted, not rewarding them by
stopping when they get it right? Maybe they'll just take their
friends and family and leave...

Clare Aukofer, always looking for creative solutions, in
Charlottesville, VA. CE...@Virginia.edu
--

Alan Dormire

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Aug 11, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/11/95
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Ok, I think it is time for "The Ground Hog Story."

One year we built a new corncrib with sand under concrete for the foundation.
The groundhogs decided this was the perfect place for a den. Think about it,
a dairy next door, for the couple of weeks a year that the upstairs larder was
empty, probably a great place to raise little groundhogs. Any way, we
weren't pleased, if they excavated too much sand, the crib floor would
collapse. So my brothers sent the little dog into the burrows to run the
woodchucks out, and then they would pick them off with the twentytwo. All
except one. Clark (my brother) decided he wanted one for a pet, which he
kept in one of my empty rabbit pens.

Now in MI, nights in late August can be chilly. Like a lot of large families,
I shared a bed with two of my brothers, and often with the little dog, the
cat, the raccoon and the two youngest boys as well. Well this night was
nippy, and I felt something furry under the blankets between Clark and me.
I figured it was the dog. I woke up that morning and looked to see that damn
woodchuck. "What's this doing here," I asked?

"It was cold," Clark replied.

Right.

Alan Dormire

nancy bielawski

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Aug 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/19/95
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Hi!
Try renting Caddyshack or getting a Jack Russell terrier. Good Luck!

Sandra8465

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Aug 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/20/95
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Practice your aim with a .22 or try dumping first a bottle of bleach into
the hole and then stuffing a bottle of ammonia behind it--watch out for
the fumes!

kcar...@u.washington.edu

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Aug 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM8/20/95
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In article <417lrh$i...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> sandr...@aol.com

Hmmm, not a lot of environmentalists in this thread. I've been noting who's
who and am keeping a close eye on superfund sites in your neighborhood. You
will be billed appropriately.

I also considered alerting ATF goons but that would likely cause more
trouble than it's worth since it's been discovered that only minority
communities put up with their tactics.

Kris Carroll
kcar...@u.washington.edu

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