Totally, completely OT art question
Corey Kaye
There is a lovely etching that was produced from a printmaking seminar
hanging in the hall of the art building at my University. I'd really love
to purchase it, and I plan on speaking with the professor tomorrow or the
day after about whether or not the artist is willing to sell. Art from the
various classes is always displayed in the building.
I'm afraid that the artist *is* willing to sell, but will ask me what I
think it's worth. I'm a poor college student. While I'd love to support
this artist with lots of $$, I don't have a whole lot to spend. I don't
want to suggest a dollar figure that is totally inappropriately low (or
high.)
The piece in question is black and white, about 12x14 or slightly larger, on
some sort of heavy white paper. It's a herd of horses (wahoo, maybe this is
on topic after all ;) and is very intricate--lots of lines. The artist is a
college student.
I don't know a damn thing about printing or what a piece like this is worth.
Any ideas?
Thanks, as always,
Corey
Priscilla Dance
also...and, of course, the artist (how well known). Take a look on ebay
for comparisons. I've collected horse prints and the most I ever paid
was for a Bev Dolittle. I think I paid around $300; it's now worth a
lot more, but that was when it was first released. I paid $180 for a
pair of 1820 hand-colored prints, and $27 at auction for four that are
silk-screened. My daughter paid $80 for a signed/numbered print totally
made by the word jumping written over and over. Your best bet is to
research it on ebay.
Priscilla
Corey Kaye
> A lot depends upon whether it is signed and numbered; size comes into
> it also...and, of course, the artist (how well known). Take a look
> on ebay for comparisons. I've collected horse prints and the most I
> ever paid was for a Bev Dolittle. I think I paid around $300; it's
> now worth a lot more, but that was when it was first released. I
> paid $180 for a pair of 1820 hand-colored prints, and $27 at auction
> for four that are silk-screened. My daughter paid $80 for a
> signed/numbered print totally made by the word jumping written over
> and over. Your best bet is to research it on ebay.
This is a college art student. Not known. At all. :) I don't even know
the name, because the signature isn't really readable.
I don't know anything about etchings. Can you print multiple copies? All
that's on the piece is the date, the name, and "A/P."
If this were a watercolor, or oil, or acrylic...I'd have an idea about what
to offer. But an etching? I have no idea what's involved, or if it can be
reproduced.
It's a beautiful piece, and I'd love to have it in my house. But I don't
want to offend the artist by offering too litttle. (Or totally get taken by
offering too much!)
Thanks,
Corey
Robin Ryan
"Corey Kaye" <ck...@holly.colostate.edu> wrote in message
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First price that comes to mind is $200. Why? It's an original, something you
really like, but it's an unknown artist. That's a very nice price for
her/him, and wouldn't insult at all, yet it's much lower than buying
something you really like from a well-known artist. We have local artists
put up art in our community center, and it all has prices on it. Everything
that's 12x14 is around $150-200 or sometimes higher. These are watercolors,
etchings, oils, etc... If you can't afford that, offer whatever you CAN
afford, as close to $200 as you can. That's what I'd do.
Robin
Hunter
<ck...@holly.colostate.edu> wrote:
>Can you print multiple copies? All
>that's on the piece is the date, the name, and "A/P."
Disregard my last post.... it's already a print. An Artists Proof.....
As if there's an open edition...... should be about 10.00
Hunter
Hunter
<ck...@holly.colostate.edu> wrote:
>
>I don't know a damn thing about printing or what a piece like this is worth.
>
>Any ideas?
I can't really say without seeing it.... 75.00? Can you maybe ask the
artist if you can have a print made.... for say $15.00 if you can't
afford 75.00
Hunter
Karen
same problem when people post horses for sale with "best offer" or "make
offer". Now, what YOU think their horse is worth may totally insult them
compared to what THEY think its worth. I really hate ads like that. I know
the art wasnt advertised for sale but figure out how much you can afford
then say to the artist "hey, I really like it, but Im just a student without
a lot of money, would you take X amount for it?" You may get lucky, you may
not, but if you dont ask then the answer is always no. Maybe they have
another one at home that they'd sell for that price.
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lizzard woman
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| Wow, This can easily be turned "on" topic........it sounds exactly like
the
| same problem when people post horses for sale with "best offer" or "make
| offer". Now, what YOU think their horse is worth may totally insult them
| compared to what THEY think its worth. I really hate ads like that.
I would be surprised if many people who put OBO in an ad would be insulted.
Hurt initially or disappointed but likely not insulted.
There is a reason they put OBO.
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>I know the art wasnt advertised for sale but figure out how much
>you can afford then say to the artist "hey, I really like it, but Im
just
>a student without a lot of money, would you take X amount for it?"
First, just contact the artist and ask if the print is for sale. The
artist may have a price, and it *may* be in your budget, if so then
your problem is solved! :-) If the price is too high, then you can
say "I'm just a student on a student budget, and that's out of my price
range. Do you offer student discounts or have this piece in a
different size/format that I might be able to afford? All I can afford
to spend is X." That way you aren't saying that this piece isn't worth
the artists price, so you aren't insulting the artist, just honestly
showing your appreciation for the artist's work, and honestly sharing
your financial constraints.
And... once you know the price, you might put this piece and its price
on your "wishlist" for when a relative/SO/friend asks "what do you want
for your birthday?". That's one way for a starving student to
(sometimes) get something they can't otherwise afford.
jc
Nancy DeMarco
Etchings are made by using acid to create depressions in a plate -
usually copper or zinc. The plate is covered with a barrier, which is
impervious to the acid being used. The artist uses a tool to draw
through the barrier, scratching it away to expose the plate surface.
The acid bath then "etches" the now exposed parts of the plate.
Sometimes multiple baths are used, with lines added and lines
re-covered with barrier, in order to create different quality lines -
deeper (darker), wider, tapering..
The print itself is made by inking the plate (the ink sinks into the
depressions, and excess is wiped off) and running it through a press,
similar to a roller on an old wringer washing machine. The paper,
generally an acid-free cotton, is soaked first to soften it, then
blotted dry so that the surface will accept the ink. Multiple colors
mean multiple plates - a plate for each color. This makes the
printing process more complicated, since some prints are discarded due
to the plates not lining up properly.
Done by hand, it's labor-intensive. And you need a hood for the
fumes, depending on whether you're doing copper or zinc. Editions can
be large. (If it is a dry point, sometimes confused with an etching,
the edition will be smaller.)
The edition, however large, is signed and numbered, with up to 20%
being labelled A/P, or artist's proofs. Sometimes these have
significance - made while doing test runs to determine color use.
Sometimes they're just picked randomly.
So, it is likely that there are more where this came from, perhaps
unframed, and therefore much more affordable. (Framing is expensive.)
Or this may be one that came out... special - one of a kind. If the
student is new to printmaking and ran into trouble, it may be the only
one that came out well. :)
I would ask the professor what would be a reasonable price - it is
likely he/she will be coaching the student on what to ask anyway. :)
And the student may already have a price in mind. :)
Good luck. :)
Nancy DeMarco
Mason, NH
Jim Casey
> (Framing is expensive.)
Tell me about it. I bought a large photographic print that I thought
Mrs. Casey would like at a charity auction. I had it framed. IIRC the
framing cost twice as much as the photo. (She did like it.)
- Jim
Corey Kaye
> Corey,
>
> First price that comes to mind is $200. Why? It's an original,
> something you really like, but it's an unknown artist. That's a very
> nice price for her/him, and wouldn't insult at all, yet it's much
> lower than buying something you really like from a well-known artist.
> We have local artists put up art in our community center, and it all
> has prices on it. Everything that's 12x14 is around $150-200 or
> sometimes higher. These are watercolors, etchings, oils, etc... If
> you can't afford that, offer whatever you CAN afford, as close to
> $200 as you can. That's what I'd do.
Robin,
We really think alike ;) 200$ is what I would love to give her for it.
Getting that much out of my budget right now would be not do-able, though
:( Blush just had surgery--savings is drained and my credit cards are
flinching.
I am hoping that the artist printed off several, and can perhaps sell me one
for under $100. We'll see!
<fingers crossed>!
Corey
Corey Kaye
<snips>
Thank you, Nancy, for the detailed info on the process! I spent some time
in the print room today, waiting to talk to the professor, and observed how
intricate it is. Amazing. I meant to ask him what I should offer her, but
I forgot. Those art people just intimidate the hell out of me ;)
The print is just black, so I suppose just one plate. There are lots and
lots of lines--it looks, to me, like a herd coming up to the barn at dusk,
or milling around waiting to be fed. The shapes are lovely.
I imagine the plate itself is beautiful, too. Do artists ever sell the
plate?
Corey
Corey Kaye
<snips>
I emailed the artist today, and left a note for her with the printing
professor! She's no longer in his class, but he said he'd try to track her
down for me.
I really like this piece. I walk through the art building on my way to
organic chemistry three times a week. There are always pieces that catch my
eye, but none that have made me really stop and look, and think about where
I'd like to hang it in my house.
Thanks for the advice!
Corey
Corey Kaye
> Tell me about it. I bought a large photographic print that I thought
> Mrs. Casey would like at a charity auction. I had it framed. IIRC
> the framing cost twice as much as the photo. (She did like it.)
Also hanging in the halls of the art building is a flier for cheap framing.
She comes to your house with her stuff, you pick it out, and she frames it.
Sounds pretty neat--probably still $$, but better than everywhere else...
I need to find someone to frame my original Tom Swimm. It's a beautiful
piece, but it's worth real money. I'm afraid a careless framer will hurt it
:-/
Corey
Hunter
<ck...@holly.colostate.edu> wrote:
>I need to find someone to frame my original Tom Swimm. It's a beautiful
>piece, but it's worth real money. I'm afraid a careless framer will hurt it
>:-/
>
>Corey
I had never heard of him so I googled his name. WOW!! His stuff is
fabulous.
There's an animal artist who you might like, she does alot of cool
stuff with light and shadows. Her name is Carol Peek.
You can google her I'm sure. I used to have a calendar of her
paintings, I loved it.
Hunter
Corey Kaye
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:48:58 -0700, "Corey Kaye"
> <ck...@holly.colostate.edu> wrote:
>
>> I need to find someone to frame my original Tom Swimm. It's a
>> beautiful piece, but it's worth real money. I'm afraid a careless
>> framer will hurt it :-/
>>
>> Corey
>
> I had never heard of him so I googled his name. WOW!! His stuff is
> fabulous.
I own this piece: http://www.alohaimages.com/swimm/swimm_im_z.html It's
beautiful--even more so in person. It takes my breath away. I bought it
when I was in Kauai last year to scatter Mom's ashes in the ocean... :'(
> There's an animal artist who you might like, she does alot of cool
> stuff with light and shadows. Her name is Carol Peek.
Thanks for the name, Hunter. I do like her. All of her colors seem to come
from the early morning.
Another horse artist I really like is Franz Marc. For mixed media, I love
Cal Peacock. I even have a large tattoo of one of her medicine horses.
Corey
Hunter
<ck...@holly.colostate.edu> wrote:
>
>Thanks for the name, Hunter. I do like her. All of her colors seem to come
>from the early morning.
I knew you would when I saw your artist.
Hunter
law
Ah, but framing isn't so bad .... when you have a resident "framer."
LisaW
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