Russian Guards Cavalary: Red Square Quardrille
Bill Kambic
dk
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhBcV_6LAZ8
Wow. Impressive. Great aerial photography, too.
Thanks for posting this.
Cheers,
Tim
jankey
the ponies at the end were great. :)
--j_a
Bill Kambic
wrote:
>my imagination, or were some of those riders women??
Could have been. Not every Eurpoean army is as "integrated" as ours
is on a "gender" basis.
>the ponies at the end were great. :)
Yeah, almost "terminal cuteness." ;-)
Bill Kambic
wrote:
You're welcome!
The interesting thing about this is that nothing these guys do is
really "sophisticated." It all basic stuff done in a very precise and
disclipline manner.
Maybe we should gather up some of the FEI people doing all the hand
wringing and tap dancing over rollkur and take 'em Moscow where they
can see well trained horses performing very precisely. It might just
end some arguments, or at least make some folks look like the idiots
they are.
dk
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:14:31 -0800 (PST), dk <deirdrethe...@yahoo.com>
> You're welcome!
>
> The interesting thing about this is that nothing these guys do is
> really "sophisticated." It all basic stuff done in a very precise and
> disclipline manner.
I think precision *is* sophistication, no?
> Maybe we should gather up some of the FEI people doing all the hand
> wringing and tap dancing over rollkur and take 'em Moscow where they
> can see well trained horses performing very precisely. It might just
> end some arguments, or at least make some folks look like the idiots
> they are.
At least they might stop whining about how hard it is to memorize a
four-minute dressage test ...
Cheers,
Tim
Bill Kambic
wrote:
>On Dec 15, 5:00�pm, Bill Kambic <wjkam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:14:31 -0800 (PST), dk <deirdrethe...@yahoo.com>
>> You're welcome!
>>
>> The interesting thing about this is that nothing these guys do is
>> really "sophisticated." �It all basic stuff done in a very precise and
>> disclipline manner.
>
>I think precision *is* sophistication, no?
I certainly can be! :-)
>
>> Maybe we should gather up some of the FEI people doing all the hand
>> wringing and tap dancing over rollkur and take 'em Moscow where they
>> can see well trained horses performing very precisely. �It might just
>> end some arguments, or at least make some folks look like the idiots
>> they are.
>
>At least they might stop whining about how hard it is to memorize a
>four-minute dressage test ...
Indeed.
Dr Corinne B Leek
wrote:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhBcV_6LAZ8
I actually decided to look.
Set it to download and watched NCIS and then NCIS: LA.
Yeah. It takes that long.
Anyway.
It was a good clip!
And, yes, DQs would have difficulty doing this.
Good heavens, how could their dressage star cope with doing his "test"
with 23 other horses in the same arena? ;-)
Corinne & Crazy Canuck Crew, DQ wannabe...
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Bill Kambic
<cl...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:12:47 -0500, Bill Kambic <wjka...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhBcV_6LAZ8
>
>I actually decided to look.
>
>Set it to download and watched NCIS and then NCIS: LA.
>Yeah. It takes that long.
>Anyway.
>It was a good clip!
>And, yes, DQs would have difficulty doing this.
>Good heavens, how could their dressage star cope with doing his "test"
>with 23 other horses in the same arena? ;-)
The Spanish one is interesting, too, but you'll need another evening,
I suppose. :-)
Learning to work in a disciplined formation takes some effort but it
can be done by a normal rider on a normal horse who's willing to put
in the effort. Most of the time the biggest problem is finding other
people who want to do it and are willing to, themselves, put in the
effort.
It just illustrates to me how the violent controversies that seem to
swirl around in the dressage world are as artificial and the world
they swirl in.
Dr Corinne B Leek
wrote:
>On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:37:19 -0400, Dr Corinne B Leek
><cl...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:12:47 -0500, Bill Kambic <wjka...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhBcV_6LAZ8
>>
>>I actually decided to look.
>>
>>Set it to download and watched NCIS and then NCIS: LA.
>>Yeah. It takes that long.
>>Anyway.
>>It was a good clip!
>>And, yes, DQs would have difficulty doing this.
>>Good heavens, how could their dressage star cope with doing his "test"
>>with 23 other horses in the same arena? ;-)
>
>The Spanish one is interesting, too, but you'll need another evening,
>I suppose. :-)
One evening is enough, thanks! LOL!
>Learning to work in a disciplined formation takes some effort but it
>can be done by a normal rider on a normal horse who's willing to put
>in the effort. Most of the time the biggest problem is finding other
>people who want to do it and are willing to, themselves, put in the
>effort.
Yup.
The other woman I was riding with has now left for the winter and will
be back March/April. There was talk we could work on a duet ride. I
think it would be fun to do. Talk about focus!
>It just illustrates to me how the violent controversies that seem to
>swirl around in the dressage world are as artificial and the world
>they swirl in.
Yup.
Corinne & Crazy Canuck Crew...
Thomas A Lind
> It was a good clip!
> And, yes, DQs would have difficulty doing this.
> Good heavens, how could their dressage star cope with doing his "test"
> with 23 other horses in the same arena? ;-)
I don't understand why we cannot enjoy watching excellence in one
discipline without bashing another. (this is not just aimed at you,
Corrine. You are one of the least bashing people here.)
The clip was a lovely synchronized routine at the trot. Well done, very
even tempo and really synchronized. The horses are wonderful, the riders
soft and controlled.
It is not a dressage test, nor a roping exhibition, nor bridleless
riding, nor TB racing, nor cross country eventing, nor carriage racing,
but I enjoy watching them all. I know there are problems in all
disciplines but I enjoy excellence in all of them, too, plus many others
that I didn't list. Horses are amazing and the many uses and talents
among the different breeds are wonderful.
Thanks, Bil, for the post. I did enjoy it.
Winnie
Dr Corinne B Leek
<tl...@comporium.net> wrote:
>On 12/15/09 10:37 PM, Dr Corinne B Leek wrote:
>
>> It was a good clip!
>> And, yes, DQs would have difficulty doing this.
>> Good heavens, how could their dressage star cope with doing his "test"
>> with 23 other horses in the same arena? ;-)
>
>I don't understand why we cannot enjoy watching excellence in one
>discipline without bashing another. (this is not just aimed at you,
>Corrine. You are one of the least bashing people here.)
Thank you for that acknowledgement.
Don't forget, my comments were tongue in cheek, laughing at myself as
the DQ wannabe.
I wasn't particularly bashing. Besides, BTDT, worried about other
horses in the same arena as myself! LOL!
>The clip was a lovely synchronized routine at the trot. Well done, very
>even tempo and really synchronized. The horses are wonderful, the riders
>soft and controlled.
Absolutely.
It was impressive.
>It is not a dressage test, nor a roping exhibition, nor bridleless
>riding, nor TB racing, nor cross country eventing, nor carriage racing,
>but I enjoy watching them all. I know there are problems in all
>disciplines but I enjoy excellence in all of them, too, plus many others
>that I didn't list. Horses are amazing and the many uses and talents
>among the different breeds are wonderful.
Absolutely.
I've seen the cow classes at the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo. It
was poetry in motion. Would make any DQ wannabe drool! LOL!
Corinne & Crazy Canuck Crew...
--
Thomas A Lind
> Don't forget, my comments were tongue in cheek, laughing at myself as
> the DQ wannabe.
> I wasn't particularly bashing. Besides, BTDT, worried about other
> horses in the same arena as myself! LOL!
I was fortunate enough to start my riding in a large school/show barn.
At first I was terrified of riding with what seemed to be chaos all
around. I did my first canters in the woods in a circular bit of trail
because I was too chicken to try it in the school arena with other
horses. However, gradually I learned to control my own mount enough to
feel confident in a crowd. And I do mean a crowd. I took lessons while
two others were going on and another one was often a jump lesson. There
were also casual riders going around and lead line kids and maybe a
couple of horses in training being ridden. One lesson was trotting
around a horse being lunged. The horse I was on was nervous around whips
and every time the handler snapped the lunge whip, my instructor would
say "keep him focused and ride him through it." "If you're OK he's OK".
That horse later learned that the whip was his friend because I always
used it to brush deer flies and mosquitoes off his head and neck on the
trails.
Anyway, riding in a busy ring is not an issue and I learned to be aware
of my surroundings and use ring manners with others. It helps that
Reggie is very cool with almost anything going on in or near the ring.
Winnie
Dr Corinne B Leek
<tl...@comporium.net> wrote:
>On 12/16/09 3:59 PM, Dr Corinne B Leek wrote:
>
>> Don't forget, my comments were tongue in cheek, laughing at myself as
>> the DQ wannabe.
>> I wasn't particularly bashing. Besides, BTDT, worried about other
>> horses in the same arena as myself! LOL!
>
>......However, gradually I learned to control my own mount enough to
>feel confident in a crowd. And I do mean a crowd. .....
Yeah. I've not been in really large barns with a huge amount of
crowds or I've been able to work around the crowds, so I've mostly
been spoiled, FTPOV.
Have learned to not be so worried and trust the horse, but I confess
to claustrophobia. Controlled, but a claustrophobe.
That affects my view of how "crowded" *any* place is! LOL!
Thomas A Lind
> Have learned to not be so worried and trust the horse, but I confess
> to claustrophobia. Controlled, but a claustrophobe.
> That affects my view of how "crowded" *any* place is! LOL!
>
I don't tolerate things on my face well. I hope I never need an MRI. I
also don't handle store sales crowds. I would never be shopping on Black
Friday. No way, no how. There isn't a bargain good enough to get me there.
My riding ring down here is never crowded. The largest number I've
ridden with has been 5 or 6 horse/rider combinations and it is rare to
have more than three in the ring together. I prefer riding with someone
else just for the social benefits.
Winnie
Bill Kambic
<tl...@comporium.net> wrote:
>On 12/16/09 5:47 PM, Dr Corinne B Leek wrote:
>
>> Have learned to not be so worried and trust the horse, but I confess
>> to claustrophobia. Controlled, but a claustrophobe.
>> That affects my view of how "crowded" *any* place is! LOL!
>>
>I don't tolerate things on my face well. I hope I never need an MRI.
When I had mine I just kept my eyes closed. Worked just fine, but
then it wasn't all that long. ;-)
I
>also don't handle store sales crowds. I would never be shopping on Black
>Friday. No way, no how. There isn't a bargain good enough to get me there.
God made Amazon for a reason, eh?!?!?!?! :-)
>My riding ring down here is never crowded. The largest number I've
>ridden with has been 5 or 6 horse/rider combinations and it is rare to
>have more than three in the ring together. I prefer riding with someone
>else just for the social benefits.
I don't like riding alone for the same reason I never liked to swim
alone.
The difference between dodging other riders and moving in a
disciplined formation is really "night and day." Once the horses get
the idea you can have some fun with it. Most "get it" pretty quickly.
If you have a chance do some pairs and then some fours. In ground
marching you guide to the left or right to keep your line straight. In
riding in pairs or fours we were taught to guide to the center. This
might not be true in all circumstances, but it works pretty well.
Who knows; maybe we'll soon be seeing you in Red Square!!!!! :-)
Susan
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:58:37 -0500, Thomas A Lind
> <tl...@comporium.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12/16/09 5:47 PM, Dr Corinne B Leek wrote:
>>
>>> Have learned to not be so worried and trust the horse, but I confess
>>> to claustrophobia. Controlled, but a claustrophobe.
>>> That affects my view of how "crowded" *any* place is! LOL!
>>>
>> I don't tolerate things on my face well. I hope I never need an MRI.
>
> When I had mine I just kept my eyes closed. Worked just fine, but
> then it wasn't all that long. ;-)
>
was a small company, we all wore a few hats) for a company that was
developing high-speed MRI machines. They were being helped by I think it
was GE; we had a modified but real MRI in-house, and everyone from
physicists/scientists on down to software developers and the lowly QA
person, moi, had allotted times to access it. My time was 6AM, and I
have never been a morning person.
We had "phantoms" to test with (oddly shaped fluid filled things), but
occasionally it was really helpful to just get on the sliding bed and
get scanned to make sure orientation and such was accurate (we wouldn't
want the doctor to be diagnosing something in the left lung when the
problem was in the right...) Of course, the machine wasn't FDA approved
and we weren't supposed to be doing it, but...
There were some mornings when I welcomed a ride on that bed, even if the
damned machine made a hell of a racket (high speed = those thumps were
ratatatatatatat!)
The door of that place had warning signs for people with pacemakers and
implants, and tape on the floors marking where it was safe (or not) to
have credit cards. It was a trip to work there. With the hip
replacements I couldn't, these days.
> I
>> also don't handle store sales crowds. I would never be shopping on Black
>> Friday. No way, no how. There isn't a bargain good enough to get me there.
>
> God made Amazon for a reason, eh?!?!?!?! :-)
Amen, brother! I haven't braved a mall at holiday time in years.
>
>> My riding ring down here is never crowded. The largest number I've
>> ridden with has been 5 or 6 horse/rider combinations and it is rare to
>> have more than three in the ring together. I prefer riding with someone
>> else just for the social benefits.
>
I agree with you, there. I rode alone for years boarding at a place
where I was the only boarder. Now that I'm someplace where there are
people around and a pleasant and easy social atmosphere, I regret the
time I spent alone.
> I don't like riding alone for the same reason I never liked to swim
> alone.
>
> The difference between dodging other riders and moving in a
> disciplined formation is really "night and day." Once the horses get
> the idea you can have some fun with it. Most "get it" pretty quickly.
>
> If you have a chance do some pairs and then some fours. In ground
> marching you guide to the left or right to keep your line straight. In
> riding in pairs or fours we were taught to guide to the center. This
> might not be true in all circumstances, but it works pretty well.
>
I've done pairs class and taken lessons with one other person where we
tried to ride a pattern together, does that count? It was fun though we
weren't very good at it...
Susan
dk
> [...]
> The difference between dodging other riders and moving in a
> disciplined formation is really "night and day." Once the horses get
> the idea you can have some fun with it. Most "get it" pretty quickly.
Presumably because the "disciplined formation" can take advantage of
the herd instinct to some extent, whereas "dodging other riders" will
sometimes require that the horse move contrary to that instinct.
Cheers,
Tim
Bill Kambic
wrote:
>On Dec 16, 7:23�pm, Bill Kambic <wjkam...@gmail.com> wrote:
Could be. Of course sometimes the "herd instinct" includes the
question "who's the Alpha, here?" I've seen plenty of ears back and
even a kick or two. The human, at this point, must assert command and
severely sanction any aggressive actions.
So "herd instinct" is definitely a "two edged sword."
Thomas A Lind
> If you have a chance do some pairs and then some fours. In ground
> marching you guide to the left or right to keep your line straight. In
> riding in pairs or fours we were taught to guide to the center. This
> might not be true in all circumstances, but it works pretty well.
I have played with it a little with a friend down here. It would be nice
if the weather would cooperate here. We get rain for 1-2 days and then
it takes 2-3 days for the ring to dry. We ride for one or two days and
the rain is back.
It is fun and it is great practice in controlling speed and stride.
Winnie
dk
>
> Could be. Of course sometimes the "herd instinct" includes the
> question "who's the Alpha, here?"
Better be the rider, in both cases.
> I've seen plenty of ears back and
> even a kick or two.
Me too.
Oh, wait, you're talking about the horses? ;-)
Cheers,
Tim
Emily Brooks
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>
> Of course sometimes the "herd instinct" includes the
> question "who's the Alpha, here?" I've seen plenty of ears back and
> even a kick or two.
I used to ride quadrille on Spot (oh, so long ago now!). Our marching
partner spent every moment we were side-by-side attempting to bite Spot. I
threatened to buy him a muzzle. I suppose I could have gotten one of those
shoulder shields that you see on the track ponies sometimes. Spot had a wet
slobbery streak down his left shoulder/neck after every practice. Spot never
flinched, never deigned to notice.
Emily - note that the other rider never corrected her mount for this
behavior
Bill Kambic
When we saw the SRS in Atlanta one of the youngest stallions was busy
trying to "pick a fight" with the horse next to it. The older horse
pretty much paid him no mind; the rider, however, was making some fair
strong, if very subtle, corrections. As Tim notes, somebody has to be
in charge. In that instance it was clearly the rider of the
"miscreant" horse. :-)
In NE during one of our practices the guy riding next to me would not
control his horse. It was constantly trying to start a "game" of
"bite you bite me back." I would not let my mare play and he wasn't
doing much to stop the process. I was about to say something to him
when one of the supervisors came over and moved him to another spot
and replaced him with a more well disciplined horse.
When folks do this these things it is up to them to control the horse.