Sonny Dee Bar?
she...@my-deja.com
my Gelding's great grandfather. Jorene has Sonny listed on her website
and I was wondering what info she might be able to share with regards to
Sonny's traits (good or bad) that he was noted to pass on to his
decendants, what Sonny is most recognized for, etc. I just happen to
pull my Geldings papers because of the recent discussions about
the Impressive bloodlines and the problems there. I wanted to check
to see if either of our two geldings have Impressive in their
genes. No Impressive, but Luke, my Gelding, is Sonny Dee Bar's
great grandson and, although Luke is now pretty removed, I'm just
curious as to what Sonny Dee Bar is best known for. Jorene was kind
enough to send me an email with some information, and she suggested I
post this question to this NG as she says many of you have
more information on Sonny that you could share.
Just curious.
Thanks much,
Sherdan
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Before you buy.
Tralrdr
Hi Sherdan:
I have several good using gelding descendants of SDB. They all have good
minds, easy to ride, great feet and legs, and can do just about anything I put
them to work doing.
Have fun with yours!
Carrie N Miller
Mark A. Jones
>I recently sent an email to Jorene asking about this Stallion as he is
>my Gelding's great grandfather. Jorene has Sonny listed on her website
>and I was wondering what info she might be able to share with regards to
>Sonny's traits (good or bad) that he was noted to pass on to his
>decendants, what Sonny is most recognized for, etc. I just happen to
>pull my Geldings papers because of the recent discussions about
>the Impressive bloodlines and the problems there. I wanted to check
>to see if either of our two geldings have Impressive in their
>genes. No Impressive, but Luke, my Gelding, is Sonny Dee Bar's
>great grandson and, although Luke is now pretty removed, I'm just
>curious as to what Sonny Dee Bar is best known for. Jorene was kind
>enough to send me an email with some information, and she suggested I
>post this question to this NG as she says many of you have
>more information on Sonny that you could share.
>
>Just curious.
>Thanks much,
>Sherdan
Hi Sherdan!
Jorene and others probably know much more about Sonny Dee Bar's traits - but
I too have a Sonny Dee Bar great-grandson, and he's just wonderful!!
He's a very large, barrell chested, more of a "bull-dog" type looking QH, a
wide body, with a very pretty head, and really great disposition. He's my
first horse, and he's got a perfect disposition for a novice rider, very
steady. His idea of spooking is to stop and stare and snort. (Except for
one time when Shari took him to the cattle sale yard...apparently he did
*not* much like the cows at first, and gave her a real hard time. Totally
unexpected and unlike him! What a dork!)
He has an "oral fixation" <g>, I don't know if its genetic or learned, but
*everything* goes in his mouth, and he's very "busy". He'll grab any loose
bucket, brush, lead rope, whatever to play with and chew on. He's a real
"people" horse, too, just loves attention, scritches, and most especially
treats.
I hope you enjoy your Luke as much as we enjoy our Sonny!
Charlotte Jones
marka...@msn.com
Jane H. Kilberg
<marka...@email.msn.com> wrote:
(snipped parts)
>she...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7v9geh$o3g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>>I recently sent an email to Jorene asking about this Stallion as he is
>>my Gelding's great grandfather. Jorene has Sonny listed on her website
>>and I was wondering what info she might be able to share with regards to
>>Sonny's traits (good or bad) that he was noted to pass on to his
>>decendants, what Sonny is most recognized for, etc. I just happen to
>>pull my Geldings papers because of the recent discussions about
>>the Impressive bloodlines and the problems there. I wanted to check
>>to see if either of our two geldings have Impressive in their
>>genes. No Impressive, but Luke, my Gelding, is Sonny Dee Bar's
>>great grandson and, although Luke is now pretty removed, I'm just
>>curious as to what Sonny Dee Bar is best known for. Jorene was kind
>>enough to send me an email with some information, and she suggested I
>>post this question to this NG as she says many of you have
>>more information on Sonny that you could share.
>Jorene and others probably know much more about Sonny Dee Bar's traits - but
>I too have a Sonny Dee Bar great-grandson, and he's just wonderful!!
Sonny Dee Bar was Superior halter, ROM with 62 halter points. Sonny Dee
Bar's dam was Chigger's Baby who was by Chigger (5 halter points) out of
Sugar Foot M. Sire is Win Or Lose (Mr Bar None x Leo Lady).
There was also an ApHC champion stallion named Sonny Dee Bar.
down the spotted trails. . . in the great nation of Tejas
jane h. kilberg and her gang of spots (GOS)
member: ApHC, Montgomery County Adult Horse Committee
editor/publisher: Appaloosa Network
Charles A Hall
<snip>>
>
> Sonny Dee Bar was Superior halter, ROM with 62 halter points. Sonny Dee
> Bar's dam was Chigger's Baby who was by Chigger (5 halter points) out of
> Sugar Foot M. Sire is Win Or Lose (Mr Bar None x Leo Lady).
>
> There was also an ApHC champion stallion named Sonny Dee Bar.
>
Okay, stop. I'm lost. Are you saying that the Sonny Dee Bar, Superior
halter, is a different Sonny Dee Bar you then list as ApHC champ? Have
pity on someone who doesn't know appy or QH bloodlines, and explain please!
Diane
Jane H. Kilberg
<FINALJ...@prodigy.net> wrote:
LOL...yes, it can be confusing. Sonny Dee Bar, AQHA 363938 was the first
one. Sonny Dee Bar, ApHC was the second one. The ApHC stallion, a brown
with hip blanket was sired by Sonny Dee Bar AQHA and out of Farrah Quest
ApHC #T-259677. He was shown a lot in halter by Ted Turner, Tioga TX. He
was 1982 National Grand Champion, and 1982 World Champion, 2 year old.
Then Barefoot Farms, Sanger TX took over ownership in 1983. He died 1984,
age 4.
down the spotted trails. . . in the great nation of Tejas
jane h. kilberg and her gang of spots (GOS)
JetCity
Jane wrote:
> > Sonny Dee Bar was Superior halter, ROM with 62 halter points. Sonny Dee
> > Bar's dam was Chigger's Baby who was by Chigger (5 halter points) out of
> > Sugar Foot M. Sire is Win Or Lose (Mr Bar None x Leo Lady).
> >
> > There was also an ApHC champion stallion named Sonny Dee Bar.
> Okay, stop. I'm lost.
Then again you are usually lost anyway.
> Are you saying that the Sonny Dee Bar, Superior
> halter, is a different Sonny Dee Bar you then list as ApHC champ?
Exactly!
Read again, and do try to comprehend for a change. If you still can't figure
it out, try looking up the word "also" in the dictionary.
Jane lists the accomplishments of one QH SDB, then as an afterthought adds
that there was also an ApHC named SDB as well.
she...@my-deja.com
Hi Charlotte,
I had to respond to this because of the funny similarities between our
two guys.
In article <#lUVNYWI$GA.337@cpmsnbbsa05>,
"Mark A. Jones" <marka...@email.msn.com> wrote:
> He's a very large, barrell chested, more of a "bull-dog" type looking
QH, a
> wide body, with a very pretty head, and really great disposition.
Luke is also a large, bull-dog type QH with the wide body and really
great disposition, though he tends toward the Alpha type a bit.
. His idea of spooking is to stop and stare and snort. (Except
for
> one time when Shari took him to the cattle sale yard...apparently he
did
> *not* much like the cows at first, and gave her a real hard time.
Totally
> unexpected and unlike him! What a dork!)
>
Luke is also a 'stop, stare and snort' type spooker. The really funny
thing, though, is that I was warned by the family that I bought Luke
from that he has a real "thing" about cows!!! They said if they're out
riding and they should run across a herd of cows, they'd sort of have a
tough time with Luke as he just has a fit over them! Sure enough,
though I've haven't stumbled across a herd riding him yet, if the wind
is blowing just right the sound of the cattle pastured about a quarter
of a mile from us will carry and send Luke into a tizzy. He's settled
down some now, but at first he'd run the fence line, all worked up over
those "Moos"! If I was out in the pasture, he'd run to me and stare at
me intently as if waiting for affirmation from me that that noise is
"just WRONG!"
> He has an "oral fixation" <g>, I don't know if its genetic or learned,
but
> *everything* goes in his mouth, and he's very "busy". He'll grab any
loose
> bucket, brush, lead rope, whatever to play with and chew on. He's a
real
> "people" horse, too, just loves attention, scritches, and most
especially
> treats.
Another funny coincidence. Luke also has an oral fixation. EVERYTHING
goes in his mouth. EVERYTHING. If I'm out cleaning the pasture, Luke's
right there chewing on the shovel handle, the wheel barrel handle. When
I groom him he always has his head turned to me and is trying to take
everything out of my hands. When I have my husbands gelding haltered
and I'm leading him, Luke will be right there trying to grab the lead
rope. It's funny watching him actually lead my husbands gelding around.
I've got to get a picture of that. Poncho, my husbands horse, is so
tolerant! He just seems to roll his eyes and follow patiently along
side while Luke leads him around.
>
> I hope you enjoy your Luke as much as we enjoy our Sonny!
>
I'm having a wonderful time with Luke. I feel lucky to have found him as
he and I are well suited to each other and I expect we'll have a long
life together.
Charles A Hall
JetCity <jetNOSPAM...@theracetrack.com> wrote in message
news:fd5S3.15$54...@news.uswest.net...
> clueless diane <FINALJ...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>
> Jane wrote:
> > > Sonny Dee Bar was Superior halter, ROM with 62 halter points. Sonny
Dee
> > > Bar's dam was Chigger's Baby who was by Chigger (5 halter points) out
of
> > > Sugar Foot M. Sire is Win Or Lose (Mr Bar None x Leo Lady).
> > >
> > > There was also an ApHC champion stallion named Sonny Dee Bar.
>
> > Okay, stop. I'm lost.
>
> Then again you are usually lost anyway.
And you wonder why you get compared to Sheila the Muleskinner.
>
> > Are you saying that the Sonny Dee Bar, Superior
> > halter, is a different Sonny Dee Bar you then list as ApHC champ?
>
> Exactly!
>
> Read again, and do try to comprehend for a change. If you still can't
figure
> it out, try looking up the word "also" in the dictionary.
>
> Jane lists the accomplishments of one QH SDB, then as an afterthought adds
> that there was also an ApHC named SDB as well.
>
>
Gee, thanks not for your flippancy, Jet. How's the hate mail coming in? As
it has been pointed out to me, names are quite important in breed
bloodlines, and even somewhat similar names can cause confusion. As this
was a case of not just a somewhat similar but an IDENTICAL name, why
wouldn't someone who DOES NOT KNOW Quarterhorse or Appy bloodlines be
seeking clarification. Or are you so parsimonious with your knowledge that
you have a problem with someone else seeking to increase theirs?
However, everything else aside, given the source of the answer posted above,
and your propensity to prefer to flame rather than answer, I shall reserve
judgment on the answer you supplied until I hear from someone I *know* knows
the right answer.
Diane
Charles A Hall
Diane> >Okay, stop. I'm lost. Are you saying that the Sonny Dee Bar,
Superior
> >halter, is a different Sonny Dee Bar you then list as ApHC champ? Have
> >pity on someone who doesn't know appy or QH bloodlines, and explain
please!
>
first
> one. Sonny Dee Bar, ApHC was the second one. The ApHC stallion, a brown
> with hip blanket was sired by Sonny Dee Bar AQHA and out of Farrah Quest
> ApHC #T-259677. He was shown a lot in halter by Ted Turner, Tioga TX. He
> was 1982 National Grand Champion, and 1982 World Champion, 2 year old.
> Then Barefoot Farms, Sanger TX took over ownership in 1983. He died 1984,
> age 4.
>
Thanks, Jane, that provides a lot of clarification, particularly since there
is a blood-tie. I realize that there are 2 different registries involved,
but I don't quite follow why the registries would allow the same name from
father to son without something to separate them out. Was it just not an
issue back then?
Diane
Dar
Charles A Hall wrote in message
<7vcg6s$3uii$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...
Snip
>Thanks, Jane, that provides a lot of clarification, particularly since
there
>is a blood-tie. I realize that there are 2 different registries involved,
>but I don't quite follow why the registries would allow the same name from
>father to son without something to separate them out. Was it just not an
>issue back then?
>
It still isn't. There are a lot horses named this way.
Brother Can (QH) Brother Can (APHA - son of AQHA)
Dar
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/7632
My web page & other Horse links, including MWHA Futurity
Happiness is... having horses!
>Diane
>
>
Mark A. Jones
>Luke is also a large, bull-dog type QH with the wide body and really
>great disposition, though he tends toward the Alpha type a bit.
Yes, Sonny definantly fits into the "Pushy" category. It's been good for
me, because it forces me not to be timid and to take charge.
>Luke is also a 'stop, stare and snort' type spooker. The really funny
>thing, though, is that I was warned by the family that I bought Luke
>from that he has a real "thing" about cows!!! [...] He's settled
>down some now, but at first he'd run the fence line, all worked up over
>those "Moos"! If I was out in the pasture, he'd run to me and stare at
>me intently as if waiting for affirmation from me that that noise is
>"just WRONG!"
Isn't that funny!!! I wonder if all Sonny Dee Bar descendants are like
that!! I was flipping through an old Quarter Horse journal recently, and
Sonny Dee Bar is one of the top 50 "big daddies" of the quarter horse world.
Surely all of his get can't be afraid of cows!!! LOL! ;)
>Another funny coincidence. Luke also has an oral fixation. EVERYTHING
>goes in his mouth. EVERYTHING. If I'm out cleaning the pasture, Luke's
>right there chewing on the shovel handle, the wheel barrel handle. When
>I groom him he always has his head turned to me and is trying to take
>everything out of my hands. When I have my husbands gelding haltered
>and I'm leading him, Luke will be right there trying to grab the lead
>rope. It's funny watching him actually lead my husbands gelding around.
>I've got to get a picture of that. Poncho, my husbands horse, is so
>tolerant! He just seems to roll his eyes and follow patiently along
>side while Luke leads him around.
LOL!! Too hilarious. Sounds *exactly* like our Sonny. If he and Max our
tied close together, he will try his darndest to free both himself *and*
Max. (I've learned, the hard way, to tie better knots!) It sure makes them
entertaining, doesn't it! We're going to have to catch their antics on
video!!! ;)
>I'm having a wonderful time with Luke. I feel lucky to have found him as
>he and I are well suited to each other and I expect we'll have a long
>life together.
>Sherdan
I'm so happy for you. Enjoy your guy, and give him a carrot for me!! ;)
Charlotte Jones
marka...@msn.com
Jane H. Kilberg
Hall" <FINALJ...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Diane> >Okay, stop. I'm lost. Are you saying that the Sonny Dee Bar,
>Superior
>> >halter, is a different Sonny Dee Bar you then list as ApHC champ? Have
>> >pity on someone who doesn't know appy or QH bloodlines, and explain
>please!
>>
>Jane> LOL...yes, it can be confusing. Sonny Dee Bar, AQHA 363938 was the
>first
>> one. Sonny Dee Bar, ApHC was the second one. The ApHC stallion, a brown
>> with hip blanket was sired by Sonny Dee Bar AQHA and out of Farrah Quest
>> ApHC #T-259677. He was shown a lot in halter by Ted Turner, Tioga TX. He
>> was 1982 National Grand Champion, and 1982 World Champion, 2 year old.
>> Then Barefoot Farms, Sanger TX took over ownership in 1983. He died 1984,
>> age 4.
>>
>
>Thanks, Jane, that provides a lot of clarification, particularly since there
>is a blood-tie. I realize that there are 2 different registries involved,
>but I don't quite follow why the registries would allow the same name from
>father to son without something to separate them out. Was it just not an
>issue back then?
Never is an issue. Registries don't check the 100+ registries to check if
a name has been used elsewhere.
wolfracing
quarters. It can be confusing if you hear the name and are not aware of the
breed, but to eliminate duplication from one association to another might
make naming even more difficult. QH breeding frequently shows up in other
stock breeds, but paint and appy breeding does not show up in registered
quarter horse lines. jav
>Superior
>> >halter, is a different Sonny Dee Bar you then list as ApHC champ? Have
>> >pity on someone who doesn't know appy or QH bloodlines, and explain
>please!
>>
>Jane> LOL...yes, it can be confusing. Sonny Dee Bar, AQHA 363938 was the
>first
>> one. Sonny Dee Bar, ApHC was the second one. The ApHC stallion, a brown
>> with hip blanket was sired by Sonny Dee Bar AQHA and out of Farrah Quest
>> ApHC #T-259677. He was shown a lot in halter by Ted Turner, Tioga TX. He
>> was 1982 National Grand Champion, and 1982 World Champion, 2 year old.
>> Then Barefoot Farms, Sanger TX took over ownership in 1983. He died 1984,
>> age 4.
>>
>
>Thanks, Jane, that provides a lot of clarification, particularly since
there
>is a blood-tie. I realize that there are 2 different registries involved,
>but I don't quite follow why the registries would allow the same name from
>father to son without something to separate them out. Was it just not an
>issue back then?
>
>
>
JetCity
> And you wonder why you get compared to Sheila the Muleskinner.
?
Is that supposed to "hurt" my feelings?
> How's the hate mail coming in?
There has been none, since you have not written in a few weeks.
> As this
> was a case of not just a somewhat similar but an IDENTICAL name
In separate breeds of horses.
JetCity
> Never is an issue. Registries don't check the 100+ registries to check if
> a name has been used elsewhere.
Which would make it impossible to come up with a name if one could only be
used in only ONE registry.
Methinks clueless diane would be truly lost amongst TB's where names can be
re-used after a certain time frame (other than certain "stars").
JetCity
> but I don't quite follow
Hence the moniker, clueless diane
> why the registries would allow the same name from
> father to son without something to separate them out.
First clue that they are separate horses would be the SDB AQHA and the SDB
ApHC
My how lost you would be in the world of TB's, where there are a few
Eclipses, and Francis Genter had TWO horses named Unbridled (though the name
can't be used again after the second one won the KY Derby).
Jane H. Kilberg
<jetNOSPAM...@theracetrack.com> wrote:
>Jane H. Kilberg <jkil...@mcia.com> wrote in message
>
>> Never is an issue. Registries don't check the 100+ registries to check if
>> a name has been used elsewhere.
>
>Which would make it impossible to come up with a name if one could only be
>used in only ONE registry.
Not necessarily impossible. Even with a Sonny Dee Bar registered with the
ApHC and one of the same name registered with the AQHA, I could name a
foal RDJ Sonny Dee Bar or JHK Sonny Dee Bar. So the name Sonny Dee Bar is
still used, just different initials in front. It does make, however, for
even more confusion because initials utilized are generally dropped when
talking about a particular horse.
Tralrdr
>My how lost you would be in the world of TB's, where there are a few
>Eclipses, and Francis Genter had TWO horses named Unbridled (though the name
>can't be used again after the second one won the KY Derby).
>
So....whats your point?
Carrie N Miller
JetCity
JC
Point being if a moron like diane can't tell horses apart when they are
seperate breeds, she would be totally lost in the world of TB's where the
same names can be used time and again as long as the *name* doesn't win a
classic or graded race (or a few other criteria). I personally know of a few
horses named Scenic View, Starting Line and several mares who's names
pronounce out to I Love You (Isleluview, Isle of View...)
'course this is the same clueless diane who wondered (when scratches were
mentioned) why you would be concerned with horses scratching their hooves,
and which color hoof would be more susceptible to scratching....
hahahahhahaha
HunterUS
dead quiet, very social. His idea of spooking is to snort while standing and
looking at whatever it is that's unusual. The most unnerving thing he's done
yet was back out of a two horse trailer on the day I took delivery. Apparently
he has trailered only in stock trailer. As he prepared to exit, he was shaking
all over, not knowing what to do. When he did back out, it was not with an
explosion, but with a steady reverse, than stood with his eyes wide, ears up,
nostrils flared. Period. Then just moved along.
It is such a pleasure to have such a quiet, confident, pleasant horse. Good
breeding will tell. Enjoy.
Pat (and Sherman)
Remove the Q to email a response
Dar
JetCity wrote in message ...
So what is the big deal? I get lost on other breeds too.
One has to ask questions, and there are no stupid (almost) questions.
Making crap out of someone asking is rude. At least Diane is asking
questions and trying to learn things about other breeds.
I think the only point you have is trying to ridicule her at any point.
Jorene Downs
[...]
> >Luke is also a 'stop, stare and snort' type spooker. The really funny
> >thing, though, is that I was warned by the family that I bought Luke
> >from that he has a real "thing" about cows!!! [...] He's settled
> >down some now, but at first he'd run the fence line, all worked up over
> >those "Moos"! If I was out in the pasture, he'd run to me and stare at
> >me intently as if waiting for affirmation from me that that noise is
> >"just WRONG!"
>
>
> Isn't that funny!!! I wonder if all Sonny Dee Bar descendants are like
> that!! I was flipping through an old Quarter Horse journal recently, and
> Sonny Dee Bar is one of the top 50 "big daddies" of the quarter horse
world.
> Surely all of his get can't be afraid of cows!!! LOL! ;)
Blitzting through my rec.eq backlog ...
We've had 3 Sonny Dee Bar bloodline horses, and none are remotely afraid of
cattle. Our gelding, Slick, is an ex-ranch horse, and years later still
considers anything related to cattle to be his most important "job" to do.
> >Another funny coincidence. Luke also has an oral fixation. [...]
> LOL!! Too hilarious. Sounds *exactly* like our Sonny. [...]
Sounds like this is more coincidence than bloodline related. None of our
Sonny Dee Bar lines horses had / have anything that resembles oral fixation.
All of our Sonny Dee Bar horses have been steady and reliable, with nice
conformation. Beyond that, their dispositions are all quite individual.
Gotta keep in mind the input from a couple of other bloodlines when you hit
the grandson/daughter stage and beyond ... ;)
--
Jorene
just moseyin' down the trail on a Paint horse
from the CEOates Ranch in California ... ;)
www.CEOates.com
meet other Rec.eq'ers on the Rogue's Gallery:
www.psnw.com/~jcdowns/RecEq/RecEq.html
AlaTmPnr
>Blitzting through my rec.eq backlog ...
We've had 3 Sonny Dee Bar bloodline horses, and none are remotely afraid of
cattle. Our gelding, Slick, is an ex-ranch horse, and years later still
considers anything related to cattle to be his most important "job" to do.
It has a lot to do with the "introduction" that the horse gets to cows. If the
horse is brought in to them slowly and shown that he is alpha to the cows you
generally have little problems. The biggest mistakes I see are folks rushing
the horse and expecting that because the horse is bred for it that it will just
go out and start chasing cows. Even horses that are "bred" for it have to be
trained.
Bill
JetCity
> I think the only point you have is trying to ridicule her at any point.
That is merely a "boon"
BTW, it was clueless diane and her co-whore "cowboy" who posted at least a
dozen times saying I had changed statements, when my original post was still
on the board, with the same time stamp on it to prove it was posted before
any replies to them. Even their own replies had my quotes exactly how I said
them to be, so it doesn't take much to "ridicule" an idiot.
Actually I should be a bit ashamed of myself for picking on the handicapped
(diane and cowboy)
Charles A Hall
cowboy <cowb...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:381D88A4...@ihug.co.nz...
>
>
> JetCity wrote:
>
> > Methinks clueless diane would be truly lost amongst TB's where names can
be
> > re-used after a certain time frame (other than certain "stars").
>
>
> youll never own a star...... unless its star dog meat company
Actually given the recitation by Jane, from what I do know about TBs, a
father/son connection is not quite far enough away to be re-used. Isn't it
usually several generations before it can be used again? And, Jet, unlike
you, I've not claimed to have a lot of bloodline knowledge. In fact, I have
repeatedly stated I don't know bloodlines. As a person who was interested
in what the horse in front of me could do, parentage meant squat. Back in
the 70s and 80s, hunter/jumpers were not being bred for the purpose of being
a hunter or a jumper. In fact, it was widely believed that a stallion could
NOT make a good jumper until Debbie Shaffer (sp?) proved the h/j world wrong
with her Trakhener, Abdullah. Tully was perhaps the first stud to begin a
breeding program specifically developing h/j type horses, but the Irish
horses just seem to be catching on here in recent years. This whole
following of bloodlines is brand-spanking new to me, and I find it on the
fascinating side. However, I will, ask questions when I don't know
something. Unlike you, I'm not afraid of letting people know I'm looking
for knowledge, or someone's opinion.
Diane
Jane H. Kilberg
Hall" <FINALJ...@prodigy.net> wrote:
Linebreeding is usually done within first 5 generations. Many successful
ones are done with the 3rd generation. Too much linebreeding can loose
hybrid vigor in which case the breeder will cross to another line.
Charles A Hall
Still acting like you know us, Jet? And as we both had stated, you had
changed statements. You kept going back to a reply to cowboy, not to the
original post. Talk about handicapped. If you're suffering from selective
Alzheimer's, that's okay, we can forgive you. However, you have also proven
that you can't keep away from flaming at us even when we stop.
To go OBHorsey, how has Lathos been running?
BTW, whore is defined as a woman who practices promiscuous sexual activity.
Are you flip-flopping yet again, and deciding that cowboy is female?
Diane
Charles A Hall
> > And you wonder why you get compared to Sheila the Muleskinner.
>
> ?
>
> Is that supposed to "hurt" my feelings?
No, but then, that would be expecting me to believe you capable of feelings
other than the ones you've exhibited so far.
>
> > How's the hate mail coming in?
>
> There has been none, since you have not written in a few weeks.
Then why ever did you complaint about receiving you hatemails. I contacted
you from your own website as you invited for the comments you indicated you
wanted to receive. You claim you have them. Can you post them without
changing them to suit your needs? I'd love for everyone to see just what
constitutes your idea of hate mail. I've been asked to critique several
websites. Funny that yours is the only complaint I've gotten, but then, the
others were done by people who get paid to design websites.
>
> > As this
> > was a case of not just a somewhat similar but an IDENTICAL name
>
> In separate breeds of horses.
With the first being the sire of the second. Perhaps it was wrong of me to
expect the owner of the second SDB to realize he was copying the sire's name
or, if he did, that there might be ulterior motives. The re-usage of names
usually takes place down the line, not next in line. After all, isn't it
more normal *making* a name from combining the sire's and damn's, than
*taking* the sire's? Particularly since there is a fair amount of QH blood
in the Appy breed? Forgive me for not being a loud-mouthed know-it-all like
you.
Diane
Tralrdr
turn on when working the cows!
Upbringing has a lot to do with it, too, raise them in a pasture with cows,
feed them grain and see who wins the grain war! heh usually the horses....don't
do this with longhorns!
yikes!
Carrie N Miller
JetCity
> No, but then, that would be expecting me to believe you capable of
feelings
Virgo
Remember?
> You claim you have them. Can you post them without
> changing them to suit your needs
I won't post them here. I would post them on my website, but methinks a
certain lifeless bitch would complain about them being "hatred" to the
server, which would necessitate me wasting time writing to them in order to
have my site reinstated.
> Funny that yours is the only complaint I've gotten
Why the hell would anyone complain to you about anything on any of my
websites?
> but then, the
> others were done by people who get paid to design websites.
Pity that some people (even your boss) actually will pay incompetents to do
work for them.
> Perhaps it was wrong of me to
> expect the owner of the second SDB to realize he was copying the sire's
name
> or, if he did, that there might be ulterior motives.
What "ulterior motives" could there be when, being seperate breeds of
horses, they could not be passed off as one another?
> Forgive me for not being a loud-mouthed know-it-all like you.
While I have admitted in the past that I am not a "know-it-all" I would
point out that I would prefer to be a "loud mouthed know-it-all" as opposed
to being a loud mouthed know-nothing like you.
JetCity
> Actually given the recitation by Jane, from what I do know about TBs, a
> father/son connection is not quite far enough away to be re-used.
Here are the complete rules for naming TB's (copied from the JC site so I
wouldn't forget any), and you are right, a father/son can not have the
*same* name at all, since the stud could not die long enough before his
foals are named in order for the name to become available again.
A. A name may be claimed on the Registration Form, on a Name Claiming Form
or through the Remote Name Claiming Software. Name selections should be
listed in order of preference. Names will be assigned based upon
availability and compliance with the naming rules as stated herein. Names
may not be claimed or reserved by telephone. When a foreign language name is
submitted, an English translation must be furnished to The Jockey Club. An
explanation must accompany "coined" or "made-up" names that have no apparent
meaning. Horses that were born in the United States, Puerto Rico or Canada
and currently reside in another country must be named by The Jockey Club
through the Stud Book Authority of their country of residence.
B. If a valid attempt to name a foal is submitted to The Jockey Club by
February 1 of the foal's Two-Year-Old year and such a name is determined not
eligible for use, no additional fee is required for a subsequent claim of
name for that foal. If a valid attempt to name a foal is not submitted to
The Jockey Club by February 1 of the foal's Two-Year-Old year, a fee is
required to claim a name for such a foal (see Fee Schedule).
C. A reserved name must be used within one year (365 days) from the day it
was reserved. Reserved names cannot be used until written notification
requesting the assignment of the name to a specific horse is received by the
Registry Office. If the reserved name is not used within one year (365 days)
from its reservation, it will thereafter be available for any horse. A fee
is required to reserve a name for a foal (see Fee Schedule).
D. A foal's name may be changed at any time prior to starting in its first
race. Ordinarily, no name change will be permitted after a horse has started
in its first race or has been used for breeding purposes. However, in the
event a name must be changed after a horse has started in its first race,
both the old and new names must be used until the horse has raced three
times following the name change. The prescribed fee (see Fee
Schedule) and the Certificate of Foal Registration must accompany any
request to the Registry Office for a change of name.
E. Names of horses over ten years old may be eligible if they are not
excluded under Rule 6(F) and have not been used during the preceding five
years either in the stud or on the turf. Names of both geldings and horses
which never raced or were not used in the stud, may be available five years
from the date of their death as reported.
F. The following classes of names are not eligible for use:
1. Names consisting of more than 18 letters (spaces and punctuation
marks count as letters);
2. Initials such as C.O.D., F.O.B., etc.;
3. Names ending in "filly," "colt," "stud," "mare," "stallion," or any
similar horse-related term;
4. Names consisting entirely of numbers, except numbers above thirty may
be used if they are spelled out.
5. Names ending with a numerical designation such as "2nd" or "3rd,"
whether or not such a designation is spelled out;
6. Names of persons unless written permission to use their name is on
file with The Jockey Club;
7. Names of "famous" people no longer living unless approval is granted
by the Board of Stewards of The Jockey Club;
8. Names of "notorious" people;
9. Names of race tracks or graded stakes races;
10. Recorded names such as assumed names or stable names;
11. Names clearly having commercial significance, such as trade names;
12. Copyrighted material, titles of books, plays, motion pictures,
popular songs, etc., unless the applicant furnishes The Jockey Club with
proof that the copyright has been abandoned or that such material has not
been used within the last five years;
13. Names that are suggestive or have a vulgar or obscene meaning;
14. Names that are currently active either in the stud or on the turf,
and names similar in spelling or pronunciation to such names, see 6(E); and
15. Permanent names and names similar in spelling or pronunciation to
permanent names. The list of criteria to establish a permanent name is as
follows:
a. Horses in racing's Hall of Fame;
b. Horses that have won an Eclipse Award or have been voted Horse of
the Year;
c. Horses that have been voted Champion Older Horse or Mare;
d. Horses that have been voted Champion Three- Year-Old Colt or
Filly;
e. Horses elected into the Gallery of Champions;
f. Annual leading money winners - Stakes Performers and Broodmare
Sires;
g. Canadian Champions;
h. Cumulative money winners of $2,000,000 or more; and
i. Horses included in the International List of Protected names
compiled by the International Stud Book Committee and ratified by the
International Racing Conference.
j. Horses that have won the Kentucky Derby, Preakness, Belmont
Stakes, The Jockey Club Gold Cup, the Breeders' Cup Classic or the Breeders'
Cup Turf.
G. Notwithstanding this Rule 6, the Board of Stewards of The Jockey
Club reserves the right of final approval on all name claiming requests.
> Isn't it
> usually several generations before it can be used again
Only one generation would be needed, if enough years were involved.
JetCity
> And as we both had stated, you had
> changed statements.
I did not change statements. It would be impossible for me to change the
time to reflect BEFORE any replies were made to my post, and to put my exact
(according to you changed) words into YOUR posts.
> You kept going back to a reply to cowboy, not to the
> original post.
I am talking about the original post where the subjects were first
mentioned.
BTW, I asked you to post the link to the "post" you think you are referring
to, yet you haven't. That is because that alleged post does not, nor did it
ever exist.
> To go OBHorsey, how has Lathos been running?
No horse in my barn is named Lathos, either.
cowboy
cowboy
Tralrdr wrote:
>
> >JetCity"
>
> >My how lost you would be in the world of TB's, where there are a few
> >Eclipses, and Francis Genter had TWO horses named Unbridled (though the name
> >can't be used again after the second one won the KY Derby).
> >
> So....whats your point?
The two bit whore dont have a point ..just dribling as usal
Charles A Hall
Diane>
> > Funny that yours is the only complaint I've gotten
>
> Why the hell would anyone complain to you about anything on any of my
> websites?
I wasn't talking about others complaing to me about anything on any of your
websites. Perhaps if you'd go back to remedial reading class, you would
have figured out that I was talking about other people, professional
webdesigners, have had me critique their work prior to launching the site.
I've not had any complaints from them.
>
> > but then, the
> > others were done by people who get paid to design websites.
>
> Pity that some people (even your boss) actually will pay incompetents to
do
> work for them.
As you so amply prove when you collect each training fee. And no, my boss
wouldn't pay someone who is as incompetent as you.
>
> > Perhaps it was wrong of me to
> > expect the owner of the second SDB to realize he was copying the sire's
> name
> > or, if he did, that there might be ulterior motives.
>
> What "ulterior motives" could there be when, being seperate breeds of
> horses, they could not be passed off as one another?
Let's see, what are some of the stats on the SDBs? Sonny Dee Bar (1965
Dead) Total points earned by get of Sonny Dee Bar 24,047.00 Incentive
fund money $28,271.93
When Sonny Dee Bar around 24 - 26 Years old, I believe, wasn't he no-saled
at a sale... bid was 85,900.00
Picture this, if you can get your brain to actually work on something other
than vitriole: 2 horses running around with the same DNA and the same name,
but one of them getting old and perhaps not producing like he used. Now,
one's appy and one's qh, but appy's have been known to throw a solid
coloured foal once in a while. So, Old SDB shoots blanks, bring in Young
SDB, and pray for a solid coat and no appy characteristics. Breeding done
secretly, say at night. You get what you pray for, you sign off on the
registration papers for SDB, Sr. as sire, and pray that the DNA lab tech can
be bought off, or you can somehow substitute a sample for DNA testing.
Mind you, I'm not saying that this did/would happen. I'm saying that this
scenario *could* possibly happen. As you should know, jet, slimy elements
are just about capable of anything.
>
> > Forgive me for not being a loud-mouthed know-it-all like you.
>
> While I have admitted in the past that I am not a "know-it-all" I would
> point out that I would prefer to be a "loud mouthed know-it-all" as
opposed
> to being a loud mouthed know-nothing like you.
So instead of trying to educate yourself on matters you know little about,
you would rather make a fool of yourself and come off as an expert. And
instead of either admitting your own ignorance or sharing what little
knowledge you may posses, you prefer to show yourself to be the petty little
bitch you've been called. Says a lot for your character
Charles A Hall
JetCity <>
> BTW, I asked you to post the link to the "post" you think you are
referring
> to, yet you haven't. That is because that alleged post does not, nor did
it
> ever exist.
>
For someone who refuses to produce evidence of her claims, you sure do an
awful lot of insisting that others provide proof.
Diane
Charles A Hall
Diane> > Actually given the recitation by Jane, from what I do know about
TBs, a
> > father/son connection is not quite far enough away to be re-used.
>
I
> wouldn't forget any), and you are right, a father/son can not have the
> *same* name at all, since the stud could not die long enough before his
> foals are named in order for the name to become available again.
>
your way of apologizing for your attitude.
>
> > Isn't it
> > usually several generations before it can be used again
>
> Only one generation would be needed, if enough years were involved.
Sorry, I was thinking more in the line of horses having shorter
"generations" than humans, i.e, a horse can be a great grandpappy a lot
faster than a human can, since they mature sexually faster than we do.
Diane
Charles A Hall
JetCity <>
Diane> > No, but then, that would be expecting me to believe you capable of
> feelings
>
> Virgo
>
> Remember?
What, you're saying Virgos are incapable of having positive feelings, and
being something other than a loud, rude brat? I guess I best clue in the
other Virgos I know that you're supposed to be the model to follow.
What a concept!! When I did ran the spellchecker, I got Virago for Virgo!!
Hell, even the computer has you pegged!!
>
> > You claim you have them. Can you post them without
> > changing them to suit your needs
>
> I won't post them here.
You mean you *can't* post them because they don't exist.
I would post them on my website, but methinks a
> certain lifeless bitch would complain about them being "hatred" to the
> server, which would necessitate me wasting time writing to them in order
to
> have my site reinstated.
>
Sorry little one, wasn't me. I didn't file a complaint, if you aiming that
comment at me. So, tell me, how many times now is it that you've been
booted? Is that you consider writing to your ISP to try and get your site
reinstated; too much repetition?
If you're going to accuse me of being the source of *many* hate e-mails,
provide them. I deny their existence, and call on you to prove your
accusations.
Diane
JetCity
> Yea how can we forget.....SUPER CLEAN dicks/sheaths and all
And that is bad for the horses because?
> Because they would show what a lifeless lieing old troll you are
Speaking of trolls, have you gotten those three billy goats gruff yet?
> "But i dont have it anymore
It's still there dumbfuck
> So they did yank your chain then
Not really
> and u didnt take it down all by yourself
What's on there is what I want on there.
JetCity
JetCity :
> > BTW, I asked you to post the link to the "post" you think you are
> > referring to, yet you haven't. That is because that alleged post
> > does not, nor did it ever exist.
> you sure do an
> awful lot of insisting that others provide proof.
Yeah, but you are the one saying I posted statements that I clearly did not
post. Thus, you are the one needing to provide the proof of these alleged
statements.
The more you flog that *dead* horse, the more people can see how incredibly
stupid you are.
JetCity
Jet in ever the helpful mood wrote:
> > Here are the complete rules for naming TB's (copied from the JC site
> > so I wouldn't forget any), and you are right, a father/son can not have
the
> > *same* name at all, since the stud could not die long enough before his
> > foals are named in order for the name to become available again.
> And given the fact that the two SDBs were father and son, I take it this
> is your way of apologizing for your attitude.
Now where the hell do you *think* you read that?
> > Only one generation* would be needed, if enough years were involved.
> Sorry, I was thinking more in the line of horses having shorter
> "generations" than humans,
They do.
What my statement means is that if a stud sired a foal and then died, that
"foal" could in turn have a foal years later that could be named after its
"grandpappy"
* BTW, with the snippages it is not clear, but the "one generation" would be
in between the "horse" and its grandfoal"
cowboy
JetCity wrote:
> Virgo
> Remember?
Yea how can we forget.....SUPER CLEAN dicks/sheaths and all
> I won't post them here.
Because they would show what a lifeless lieing old troll you are
> I would post them on my website,
"But i dont have it anymore, because i thought i was smart but got
dumped on...just like i did to people on e-bay"
Damn dont ya just hate it when Karma bites back.....
> but methinks a certain lifeless bitch would complain about them being "hatred" to the
> server, which would necessitate me wasting time writing to them in order to
> have my site reinstated.
So they did yank your chain then? and u didnt take it down all by
yourself
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
> Pity that some people (even your boss) actually will pay incompetents to do
> work for them.
Why is it so funny you say people suposidly pay you to "train" horses
for them?
so maybe people really do pay incompetants after all
> While I have admitted in the past that I am a "know-it-all"
> I would point out that I would prefer to be a loud mouthed know-nothing
Dar
Charles A Hall wrote in message
<7vnf3q$2ti6$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>
>Diane> > Actually given the recitation by Jane, from what I do know about
>TBs, a
>> > father/son connection is not quite far enough away to be re-used.
>>
so
>I
>> wouldn't forget any), and you are right, a father/son can not have the
>> *same* name at all, since the stud could not die long enough before his
>> foals are named in order for the name to become available again.
>>
>your way of apologizing for your attitude.
>
Diane the difference here is different Breed associations. In AQHA I don't
care how Long SBD is dead... the name is used, and will not be reissued.
AQHA = American Quarter Horse
APHA = American Paint Horse
ApHC = Appaloosa Horse Club
This is where the name game generally is. Mainly between the AQHA & APHA.
Terrific Te AQHA & Terrific Te - APHA
Brother Can AQHA sire of Brother Can APHA also the sire of my mare I call
"Silly"
(breeding stock paint)
I am sure there are alot of them out there too. I am not up on the Apps
that much any more. When I owned them I was more into it.
Different associations and it is okay, just confusing to us looking at
studs. :)
With running a futurity that normally gets in 250+ stallions, I have seen a
lot of the same names. Hopefully the mare owners read the difference first.
BTW... I can't even get them to read the rules!
Dar
www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/7632
My web page & other Horse links, including MWHA Futurity
Happiness is... having horses!
>>
>> > Isn't it
>> > usually several generations before it can be used again
>>
>> Only one generation would be needed, if enough years were involved.
>
>Sorry, I was thinking more in the line of horses having shorter
AlaTmPnr
>God i must be getting old or soft.although i dont go with this alpha stuff i
actually agree with you for once maybe there is hope for you yet.
Obviously, this alpha stuff must be a failing of yours. Herd dynamics is a
simple concept which might be why you cant grasp it. Dont do me any favors
.... your agreement with something I have said only puts a question mark on its
credibility.
Bill
Dar
AlaTmPnr wrote in message <19991103083124...@ng-fs1.aol.com>...
Bill I did not like *Alpha* as the word either. :) Cowboy try this out....
if the horse has to learn, someone must teach.... could you be the
*Teacher*?
AlaTmPnr
>So am i to take from this then, that linebreeding way back to say sundance500
is probibly losing the hybrid vigor of the 6th/7th/8th generation and
outcrossing to another line, there by losing the"ORIGINAL" blood is desirable.?
Depends. It also depends on how close you are staying to main trunk of the
line. What characteristics are you breeding for(other than spots)? If you
start seeing less vigorous horses .... i.e., your breeding for speed and
generations 1-4 produced consistent winners and generations 5-6 produced
winners but they had problems. Then an influx of outside blood for the
original characteristics will boost your program without too much impact on
your linebreeding. Weiscamp had a number of main breeding stallions and
outcrossed aperiodically to keep his program from stagnating.
Bill
Jane H. Kilberg
>"Jane H. Kilberg" wrote:
>>
>> Linebreeding is usually done within first 5 generations. Many successful
>> ones are done with the 3rd generation. Too much linebreeding can loose
>> hybrid vigor in which case the breeder will cross to another line.
>
>
>So am i to take from this then, that linebreeding way back to say
>sundance500 is probibly losing the hybrid vigor of the 6th/7th/8th
>generation and outcrossing to another line, there by losing the
>"ORIGINAL" blood is desirable.?
Yes, unless one does intensive linebreeding for homozygosity factor. At
the same time, with homozygosity, one looses the hybrid vigor factor.
However, as soon as you bring in another line or traits, the percentages
of keeping those original traits begin to decline but the hybrid bvigor
factor increases. This is why one breeds like to like when crossing to a
different bloodline.
Jane H. Kilberg
>AlaTmPnr wrote in message <19991103083124...@ng-fs1.aol.com>...
>>Cowboy wrote:
>>
>>>God i must be getting old or soft.although i dont go with this alpha stuff
>i
>>actually agree with you for once maybe there is hope for you yet.
>>
>>Obviously, this alpha stuff must be a failing of yours. Herd dynamics is a
>>simple concept which might be why you cant grasp it. Dont do me any favors
>>.... your agreement with something I have said only puts a question mark on
>its
>>credibility.
>>
>>Bill
>
>Bill I did not like *Alpha* as the word either. :) Cowboy try this out....
>if the horse has to learn, someone must teach.... could you be the
>*Teacher*?
Instead of focusing on the word be it alpha or boss hoss or teacher or
leader or guide or head honcho - focus on the concept. The basic concept
is acceptance....be consistent, firm yet fair and treat the horse in kind.
The trust and respect or whatever words you use will follow. The concept
is establishment of the relationship between horse and horse or horse to
human or horse to dog or horse to whatever.
The rest is methods and techniques used to achieve whatever the goals are.
Jane H. Kilberg
alat...@aol.com (AlaTmPnr) wrote:
>Cowboy wrote:
>
>>So am i to take from this then, that linebreeding way back to say sundance500
>is probibly losing the hybrid vigor of the 6th/7th/8th generation and
>outcrossing to another line, there by losing the"ORIGINAL" blood is desirable.?
>
>Depends. It also depends on how close you are staying to main trunk of the
>line. What characteristics are you breeding for(other than spots)? If you
>start seeing less vigorous horses .... i.e., your breeding for speed and
>generations 1-4 produced consistent winners and generations 5-6 produced
>winners but they had problems. Then an influx of outside blood for the
>original characteristics will boost your program without too much impact on
>your linebreeding. Weiscamp had a number of main breeding stallions and
>outcrossed aperiodically to keep his program from stagnating.
Yes, the Wiescamp program is a good one to study. He did well in balancing
out the hybrid vs homozygosity. After a few generations his horses were
basically stamped out of a mold! You knew what they looked like and the
traits they had without even seeing them.
I'm not quite there yet, but I can fairly well predict what the foals will
look like with certain traits. But still, a few surprise me.
Dar
Jane H. Kilberg wrote in message ...
>In article <7vpemv$iin$1...@ins21.netins.net>, "Dar" <stro...@netins.net>
wrote:
>
>>AlaTmPnr wrote in message
<19991103083124...@ng-fs1.aol.com>...
>>>Cowboy wrote:
snip
>>Bill I did not like *Alpha* as the word either. :) Cowboy try this
out....
>>if the horse has to learn, someone must teach.... could you be the
>>*Teacher*?
>
>Instead of focusing on the word be it alpha or boss hoss or teacher or
>leader or guide or head honcho - focus on the concept. The basic concept
>is acceptance....be consistent, firm yet fair and treat the horse in kind.
>The trust and respect or whatever words you use will follow. The concept
>is establishment of the relationship between horse and horse or horse to
>human or horse to dog or horse to whatever.
>
Kinda like training a husband? ;-)
>The rest is methods and techniques used to achieve whatever the goals are.
>
Charles A Hall
> JetCity :
> > > BTW, I asked you to post the link to the "post" you think you are
> > > referring to, yet you haven't. That is because that alleged post
> > > does not, nor did it ever exist.
>
accuations/allegations.> Yeah, but you are the one saying I posted
statements that I clearly did not
> post. Thus, you are the one needing to provide the proof of these alleged
> statements.
Right up there with **all** those hate e-mails I supposedly sent you.
Tell ya' what. You comply with the many requests from me, cowboy, Tracy,
for starters, and I just might consider your request.
Diane
Charles A Hall
> Jet in ever the helpful mood wrote:
You mean, for once being helpful by accident. You're goal was to prove me
wrong. Burn your fingertips when you had to type that I was right?
> > > Here are the complete rules for naming TB's (copied from the JC site
> > > so I wouldn't forget any), and you are right, a father/son can not
have
> the
> > > *same* name at all, since the stud could not die long enough before
his
> > > foals are named in order for the name to become available again.
>
> > And given the fact that the two SDBs were father and son, I take it this
> > is your way of apologizing for your attitude.
>
> Now where the hell do you *think* you read that?
Just as I figured, can't apologize for attitude thrown when you're wrong.
You may claim 5'9" in height, but you're apparently quite small when it
comes to moral character.
>
JetCity
> I wasn't talking about others complaing to me about anything on any of
your websites.
On 11/1/99 at 11:48 AM PST you posted this statement in Message-ID:
<7vkqg3$s9k$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, which I replied to;
" I've been asked to critique several websites. Funny that yours is
the only complaint I've gotten "
So, unless you want to totally rewrite that statement, I ask again, Who
would complain to you about my sites?
> Perhaps if you'd go back to remedial reading class
'twould be far more productive if you were to take remedial writing for a
first time.
> > What "ulterior motives" could there be when, being seperate breeds of
> > horses, they could not be passed off as one another?
> Let's see, what are some of the stats on the SDBs? Sonny Dee Bar (1965
> Dead) Total points earned by get of Sonny Dee Bar 24,047.00 Incentive
> fund money $28,271.93
Irrrelevant
They are seperate BREEDS of horse. Anyone paying big money would know which
damn breed of horse they *want*
> Picture this
> 2 horses running around with the same DNA and the same name,
And one is AQHA and one is ApHC.
Different DNA
> but one of them getting old and perhaps not producing like he used.
So
One is AQHA and one is ApHC.
Different Breeds
> Now,
> one's appy and one's qh, but appy's have been known to throw a solid
> coloured foal once in a while. So, Old SDB shoots blanks, bring in Young
> SDB, and pray for a solid coat and no appy characteristics. Breeding done
> secretly, say at night. You get what you pray for, you sign off on the
> registration papers for SDB, Sr. as sire, and pray that the DNA lab tech
can
> be bought off, or you can somehow substitute a sample for DNA testing.
Couldn't happen unless the QH SDB was being *mated* to an App mare. The
risks would be too great.
> As you should know, jet, slimy elements
Yeah, I read the news.
I would think in *your* business that you actually come face to face with
the "slimy element" on a daily basis.....
JetCity
Diane
> > > No, but then, that would be expecting me to believe you capable
> > > of feelings
JC
> > Virgo
> > Remember?
> What, you're saying Virgos are incapable of having positive feelings
Your original statement only indicated "feelings"
> > I won't post them here.
> You mean you *can't* post them because they don't exist.
Well in another post you admit that they do exist.
> So, tell me, how many times now is it that you've been
> booted?
They merely took them down for a few days to review, then they reinstated
the pages. They saw nothing wrong with them.
> I deny their existence, and call on you to prove your
> accusations.
I don't need to prove them, since in another post you admit to them.
Charles A Hall
JetCity <showing that she *can* research archives, and will re-post things
that other people write inspite of her claims to not do so, wrote:>
> On 11/1/99 at 11:48 AM PST you posted this statement in Message-ID:
> <7vkqg3$s9k$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, which I replied to;
>
> " I've been asked to critique several websites. Funny that yours is
> the only complaint I've gotten "
>
> So, unless you want to totally rewrite that statement, I ask again, Who
> would complain to you about my sites?
Read for context. I've (meaning me) have been asked to critique several
websites (no mention of anyone asking me to critique yours). Funny that
yours is the only complaint of gotten (meaning of the ones who have asked
me, none have complained--only you) Was that really so hard to understand?
Perhaps you'd best start watching Mr. Roger's neighborhood again, that seems
to be your comprehension level.
>
> > Perhaps if you'd go back to remedial reading class
>
> 'twould be far more productive if you were to take remedial writing for a
> first time.
Jet, please *please* buy a real dictionary. No one can take remedial
anything for a first time.
Remedial: intended as a *remedy*, concerned with correction of faulty study
habits and the raising of competency.
>
<snippage of facts leading into an example of ulterior motives.>
> They are seperate BREEDS of horse. Anyone paying big money would know
which
> damn breed of horse they *want*
> > Picture this
> > 2 horses running around with the same DNA and the same name,
>
> And one is AQHA and one is ApHC.
>
> Different DNA
JET THEY WERE FATHER AND SON!!!! CAN YOU "HEAR" ME NOW??? What part are
you not clear about? They are different breeds in that the dad/mom threw a
coloured foal. So, basic Mendellian genetics, dad and son share DNA.
THAT'S WHY YOU CAN TRACE THE PARENTS OF A FOAL, you moron. AND since they
are FATHER AND SON, there could be sufficient dna markers from the father in
the son to confuse the matter, particularly given the rest of the scenario.
Hell, it's not a 50-50 split of DNA between mom and dad. Go to or write any
DNA testing lab, and request their informational brochures, that should
outline how the tests work. Shit, go to the website for GENETICA DNA Labs,
and they'll show you a sample test result.
>
<snippage of jet's drivel that is answered above.
>
> > Now,
> > one's appy and one's qh, but appy's have been known to throw a solid
> > coloured foal once in a while. So, Old SDB shoots blanks, bring in
Young
> > SDB, and pray for a solid coat and no appy characteristics. Breeding
done
> > secretly, say at night. You get what you pray for, you sign off on the
> > registration papers for SDB, Sr. as sire, and pray that the DNA lab tech
> can
> > be bought off, or you can somehow substitute a sample for DNA testing.
>
> Couldn't happen unless the QH SDB was being *mated* to an App mare. The
> risks would be too great.
Since the QH SDB is the Senior of the two, Jr. SDB has the potential to
throw solid coloured foals, particularly when bred to a solid mare. Basic
Mendellian genetics again. Go to your local high school and ask for the
freshman biology course. It should be outlined there for you.
>
> > As you should know, jet, slimy elements
>
> Yeah, I read the news.
>
> I would think in *your* business that you actually come face to face with
> the "slimy element" on a daily basis.....
Since we don't practice in criminal law, nope, you've got the greater
experience.
Diane
Charles A Hall
Jet wrote:> > > I won't post them here.
>
> > You mean you *can't* post them because they don't exist.
>
> Well in another post you admit that they do exist.
No, you insist they exist in the multitude. I've stated and outlined the
two that I did send. I don't try to deny my actions like you, jet. That's
your little game.
> > So, tell me, how many times now is it that you've been
> > booted?
>
> They merely took them down for a few days to review, then they reinstated
> the pages. They saw nothing wrong with them.
Actually, you redid them on another provider, and then they were gone from
there. You also had to re-vamp them quite a bit to make them acceptable to
your provider. I'd say come clean jet, but apparently that's not in your
Virgo make-up.
<deletia of incorrect posturings by jet that are answered above>
Diane
JetCity
JetCity wrote:
> > And that is bad for the horses because?
> No but it aint gunna be any cleaner because of your stupid star sign.
Apparently even the simplest of jokes are totally incomprehensible to you.
re: chain yanking
> Oh yes they did.
Well I wouldn't call a letter to me that they *pulled it for review* and
another one saying that it was reinstated "pulling" anyone's chain.
JetCity
> > Jet in ever the helpful mood wrote:
> You mean, for once being helpful by accident
No I was being helpful on purpose, which won't happen in reply to you for
another very long time.
> You're goal was to prove me wrong.
How so?
You asked whether a TB father/son could have the same name, and I even
admitted that the part you said about the father/son was right. This would
be only in reference to TBxTB's, though. A TB stud could sire an Appendix
horse with *his* name.
> Burn your fingertips when you had to type that I was right?
No, but then again you were merely speculating. You did not *know* if you
were right or not.
> Just as I figured, can't apologize for attitude thrown when you're wrong.
Wrong?
I have been right the entire time, stupid. A QH named SDB sired an ApHC
named SDB, they are seperate breeds of horses, so there should be NO
confusion.
TB's *can* have the SAME name in the same Breed of horse.
Since a stud can't die long enough before his foals are born, his foals
can't have his exact name. But, a foal could be named after a grandparent.
ie Money winner out of Imawinner by Money winner, or Money winner by
Anotherwinner by Money winner.
> You may claim 5'9" in height, but you're apparently quite small when it
> comes to moral character.
Yet I would still tower over you.
JetCity
> Right up there with **all** those hate e-mails I supposedly sent you.
You have already admitted to them, stupid.
Now where is the link to the posts you allege that I made? The posts with
the statements that everyone else on this NG know that I did not make.
I already posted the link (several times) to the original post with the
statement the same exact way that I have said all along. I also posted the
links to cowshit and your replies which quote my statements the same exact
way that I have said all along.
cowboy
JetCity wrote:
>
> And that is bad for the horses because?
No but it aint gunna be any cleaner because of your stupid star sign.
> Speaking of trolls, have you gotten those three billy goats gruff yet?
No because your father/mother/sister are not worth catching
> It's still there dumbfuck
In your dreams maybe.
> > So they did yank your chain then
>
> Not really
Oh yes they did.
> What's on there is what I want on there.
Of cause it is....(not) now go lay down ant take another valium
cowboy
"Jane H. Kilberg" wrote:
>
> Linebreeding is usually done within first 5 generations. Many successful
> ones are done with the 3rd generation. Too much linebreeding can loose
> hybrid vigor in which case the breeder will cross to another line.
cowboy
AlaTmPnr wrote:
> It has a lot to do with the "introduction" that the horse gets to cows. If the
> horse is brought in to them slowly and shown that he is alpha to the cows you
> generally have little problems. The biggest mistakes I see are folks rushing
> the horse and expecting that because the horse is bred for it that it will just
> go out and start chasing cows. Even horses that are "bred" for it have to be
> trained.
cowboy
AlaTmPnr wrote:
>
> Cowboy wrote:
>
> >God i must be getting old or soft.although i dont go with this alpha stuff i
> actually agree with you for once maybe there is hope for you yet.
>
> Obviously, this alpha stuff must be a failing of yours.
And why is that?
> Herd dynamics is a simple concept which might be why you cant grasp it.
And where did i say i didnt Grasp it.
i just dont go with this alpha stuff
> Dont do me any favors
I wouldnt dream of it.
> .... your agreement with something I have said only puts a question mark on its
> credibility.
Well maybe i should agree with every thing u say then
cowboy
JetCity wrote:
>
> Apparently even the simplest of jokes are totally incomprehensible to you.
You wern't joking when u said it you were quite seriuos
> Well I wouldn't call a letter to me that they *pulled it for review* and
> another one saying that it was reinstated "pulling" anyone's chain.
So your real inportant are you that they wrote to you personally
yea right
cowboy
JetCity wrote:
>
> You have already admitted to them, stupid.
Go back to school shitforbrains,
she said she replyed via your email-me box to express her veiw on the
quality of your poor attempt at a home page.
nowhere did she admit to sending hate mail
> Now where is the link to the posts you allege that I made? The posts with
> the statements that everyone else on this NG know that I did not make.
>
> I already posted the link (several times) to the original post with the
> statement the same exact way that I have said all along. I also posted the
> links to cowshit and your replies which quote my statements the same exact
> way that I have said all along.
no you took another part of the thread and used it to your advantage but
still f...ked up
Charles A Hall
JetCity <jetNOSPAM...@theracetrack.com> wrote in message
news:7n2U3.1848$Ww2....@news.uswest.net...
>
> > You mean, for once being helpful by accident
>
> No I was being helpful on purpose, which won't happen in reply to you for
> another very long time.
As I said. You may claim to being in a helpful mood, however, your
statement "which won't happen in reply to" shows that your only goal is
harassment/denigration, in short, flaming.
>
> > You're goal was to prove me wrong.
>
> How so?
You went there to get evidence that I had no clue about what I was talking.
The fact that I was correct that a father/son connection was too close for a
duplication of name was probably a shock to you, since you have all this TB
and racing experience that I don't.
>
> You asked whether a TB father/son could have the same name, and I even
> admitted that the part you said about the father/son was right. This would
> be only in reference to TBxTB's, though. A TB stud could sire an Appendix
> horse with *his* name.
But what was actually under discussion was a QH siring an Appy, which in
turn *could* throw a solid-coloured appy. If appys bred true all the time,
there would never have been the problems in "rescuing" the colour patterns,
and a large part of the discussion between Jane K. and Tracy would not have
taken place when they were talking about genes and colour.
>
> > Burn your fingertips when you had to type that I was right?
>
> No, but then again you were merely speculating. You did not *know* if you
> were right or not.
Doesn't change the fact that you don't like having to admit when I am right,
whether I stated solidly that I was right or not.
>
> > Just as I figured, can't apologize for attitude thrown when you're
wrong.
>
> Wrong?
>
> I have been right the entire time, stupid. A QH named SDB sired an ApHC
> named SDB, they are seperate breeds of horses, so there should be NO
> confusion.
You keep going on about breeds. The difference is that one registry has
decided that a horse with spots can't belong and the other registry has
decided that they can. Genetically, with the exception of the
genes/modifiers affecting the appy's colouring, the QH SDB and the ApHC SDB,
are similar. They have to be, they're father and son. Basic Mendellian
genetics apply, not what one group of people have decided is proper. My
whole point is that it *could* be possible to pull a fast one on an
unsuspecting mare owner who ships in a mare for breeding to the older (not
as likely due to the chance of not getting a solid foal) or (more likely)
breeding the Appy to solid mares, hoping for solid foals, and on production
of same, using the name of the QH on the papers for the purpose of
continuing to comman the higher stud fees of a once highly potent stallion
who's not up to par anymore. Again, this is all hypothetical, but, I would
bet my eyeteeth that someone, somewhere has switched studs/falsified papers
to get better money for stud fees and/or price for foal.
>
> TB's *can* have the SAME name in the same Breed of horse.
But not as close a relationship as father and son. Why keep bringing that
up? I went fromt talking in general to talking about a specific combo.
Since I was correct in my assumption that father/son is too close, you have
to keep going back to that to try and show me wrong.
>
> Since a stud can't die long enough before his foals are born, his foals
> can't have his exact name. But, a foal could be named after a grandparent.
> ie Money winner out of Imawinner by Money winner, or Money winner by
> Anotherwinner by Money winner.
But that was not the issue. My issue was that the two under discussion were
father and son. How many times do I have to type that before you
comprehend?
> > You may claim 5'9" in height, but you're apparently quite small when it
> > comes to moral character.
>
> Yet I would still tower over you.
Well, given the fact that you need to reach up to scrape the bottom and I
don't, I don't think so. If you would, then why do you have to keep
bringing up things that's been asked and answered?
Diane
Charles A Hall
>
"Stupid" is your inability to count. Two doesn't come close to the "loads"
you alluded to in a post complaining about all the hate mail you got.
Remember when I asked you to think about why you would be getting hate mail?
Telling you that my daughter is doing the same level or better at school is
not "hate", it's a fact. I don't try to hide the things I've said. If you
have any e-mail, supposedly from me, other than the two I have described,
which, btw, don't fall into the hate-mail category, then prove it.
>
> Now where is the link to the posts you allege that I made? The posts with
> the statements that everyone else on this NG know that I did not make.
I spoke of one post. You keep making it into more, as per your want. And
you are the only one who denies the existence. I don't see anyone else
denying it on your behalf. You say you've researched it. I've stated I'm
not going to. You want to find it, go right ahead, that's your perogative.
However, I state again, you've been asked to provide evidence/proof of other
things that you have claimed, and you have used the "stalker" defense as to
why you won't. So don't badger someone else who won't give you the evidence
you want. Chances are they feel that you would cyberstalk them.
Diane
JetCity
> So your real inportant
You got that one right, for a change.
> are you that they wrote to you personally
Twice
JetCity
> no you took another part of the thread and used it to your advantage
Nope, I used the exact post.
JetCity
e-mail messages and posts from a public forum wrote in message
JetCity <showing that she *can* research archives, and will re-post things
that other people write inspite of her claims to not do so, wrote:>
JetCity reposting things that were posted in a public arena, and not posting
things that were sent by private mail would be a lot more accurate.
> > On 11/1/99 at 11:48 AM PST you posted this statement in Message-ID:
> > <7vkqg3$s9k$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, which I replied to;
> >
> > " I've been asked to critique several websites. Funny that yours is
> > the only complaint I've gotten "
> >
> > So, unless you want to totally rewrite that statement, I ask again, Who
> > would complain to you about my sites?
> Read for context.
'twould be easier if you could write for context.
Reread your statement once again, and then tell me what it means.
> I've (meaning me) have been asked to critique several
> websites
So far so good.
> (no mention of anyone asking me to critique yours)
By linking the two statements together in such a way, and by your usage of
word, you are implying that they go hand in hand.
> Funny that
> yours is the only complaint of (actually in your original statement it
read "I've" instead of "of") gotten
Again I ask, who complained to you about my website and why?
> (meaning of the ones who have asked
> me
Who asked you what?
> none have complained--only you)
What have I allegedly complained to you about concerning my website?
> Was that really so hard to understand?
Reread it for comprehension, then tell me.
> JET THEY WERE FATHER AND SON
BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!!!
They were AQHA and ApHC, which are totally different breeds.
> What part are you not clear about
It has been totally clear to me from the start, you are the one who can't
seem to see a difference between SDB AQHA and SDB ApHC.
> dad and son share DNA.
But they don't have the same exact DNA.
> THAT'S WHY YOU CAN TRACE THE PARENTS OF A FOAL
Oh geez, now you are telling this to someone who has registered tons of
foals through a Registry that has been blood-typing them for parentage for
decades.
> AND since they are FATHER AND SON, there could be
> sufficient dna markers from the father in the son
Highly Doubtful
> > Couldn't happen unless the QH SDB was being *mated* to an App mare. The
> > risks would be too great.
> Since the QH SDB is the Senior of the two, Jr. SDB has the potential to
> throw solid coloured foals, particularly when bred to a solid mare.
So far so good.
The QH stud would have to be booked to an App mare before they would take
the risk of putting JR to her. If they were to put JR on an AQHA mare (in
lieu of AQHA SDB) and the mare threw an App, the farm would be at risk of
lawsuits and revokation of their memberships in the various breed
organizations amongst other things.
Charles A Hall
JetCity
> clueless diane not knowing AQHA from ApHC nor the difference between
private
> e-mail messages and posts from a public forum wrote in message
Still ticked your hate mail to me gets bounced, uh?
>
> JetCity <showing that she *can* research archives, and will re-post things
> that other people write inspite of her claims to not do so, wrote:>
>
> JetCity reposting things that were posted in a public arena, and not
posting
> things that were sent by private mail would be a lot more accurate.
Which were not sent through e-mail, but through your own link on your own
pages. If you're gonna keep claiming accuracy as a forte, please practice
it.
>
> > > On 11/1/99 at 11:48 AM PST you posted this statement in Message-ID:
> > > <7vkqg3$s9k$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, which I replied to;
> > >
> > > " I've been asked to critique several websites. Funny that yours is
> > > the only complaint I've gotten "
> > >
> > > So, unless you want to totally rewrite that statement, I ask again,
Who
> > > would complain to you about my sites?
>
Done ad nauseum since you can't grasp basics. However, once again, I have
critiqued the websites of people who design sites professional (i.e., they
get paid for their work). I sent, *through your own link on your own
website* a critique of your web pages. You didn't like the critique. You
complained. No one else who has asked me to critique their work has
complained about my critique. You are the only person who has voiced a
complaint. People who actually get big money for designing websites liked
my critiques. People who have paid big bucks to get websites done for them
have liked my critiques. You, as in JETCITY, have voiced the only complaint
I have received. Have I said the same thing enough times now, in enough
different ways for you to comprehend?
> > Read for context.
>
> 'twould be easier if you could write for context.
>
> Reread your statement once again, and then tell me what it means.
>
Done ad nauseum.
> > I've (meaning me) have been asked to critique several
> > websites
>
> So far so good.
Glad you can finally understand.
> (no mention of anyone asking me to critique yours)
>
> By linking the two statements together in such a way, and by your usage of
> word, you are implying that they go hand in hand.
>
> > Funny that
> > yours is the only complaint of (actually in your original statement it
> read "I've" instead of "of") gotten
Well, since you butchered my original quote almost past recognition, I don't
see where my writing is the problem. However, "I've" is the contract for "I
have" as in "I have gotten".
>
> Again I ask, who complained to you about my website and why?
Again, I answer ad nauseum, you complained about the critique I sent via the
link on your website, comparing your level of competency to that of a
seven-year old's.
>
> > (meaning of the ones who have asked
> > me
>
> Who asked you what?
Again, I answer ad nauseum, People who actually design websites
professionally have asked me to critique their work. What part is so hard
for you to understand?
>
> > none have complained--only you)
>
> What have I allegedly complained to you about concerning my website?
Asked and answered too too many times. You complained about my comments (is
the word critique to hard for you to understand) about your level of
workmanship. In fact, they are the focus of all this supposed hate mail I
supposedly sent to you. Again, why is this so difficult for you to
comprehend?
>
> > Was that really so hard to understand?
>
> Reread it for comprehension, then tell me.
Read, re-read, re-answered ad nauseum. If you can't grasp it after this
one, I'd say you're a lost cause.
>
> > JET THEY WERE FATHER AND SON
>
> BIG FUCKING DEAL!!!!!
And again, taking this out of context.
>
> > dad and son share DNA.
>
> But they don't have the same exact DNA.
>
> > THAT'S WHY YOU CAN TRACE THE PARENTS OF A FOAL
>
> Oh geez, now you are telling this to someone who has registered tons of
> foals through a Registry that has been blood-typing them for parentage for
> decades.
>
You may have registered "tons" of foals, but that doesn't mean you
understand simple Mendellian genetics.
> > AND since they are FATHER AND SON, there could be
> > sufficient dna markers from the father in the son
>
> Highly Doubtful
And what part of hypothetical didn't you understand. You asked for a case
where an ulterior motive could occur. I gave you one. You didn't specify
that it had to be one that 1) either had occurred; or 2) had a high chance
at success.
> > > Couldn't happen unless the QH SDB was being *mated* to an App mare.
The
> > > risks would be too great.
You didn't ask for the scenario to take risk levels into consideration.
Also, there are unscrupulous people out that who wouldn't think twice about
trying anything. Otherwise the show, "America's Dumbest Criminals" wouldn't
have ever made it on the air for lack of material.
>
> > Since the QH SDB is the Senior of the two, Jr. SDB has the potential to
> > throw solid coloured foals, particularly when bred to a solid mare.
>
> So far so good.
>
> The QH stud would have to be booked to an App mare before they would take
> the risk of putting JR to her. If they were to put JR on an AQHA mare (in
> lieu of AQHA SDB) and the mare threw an App, the farm would be at risk of
> lawsuits and revokation of their memberships in the various breed
> organizations amongst other things.
But you're making the assumption that the breeding was not secretive. I
distinctly said in a later post that it would less likely for them to breed
to an outside mare. However, it wouldn't be unlikely for them to throw an
extra "home" mare or two into the season, and hope for the best. Chances
would be that it would be an impeteous breeding, or even an accidental
breeding, at first, with the concept of switching identities coming up after
the solid foal was born from the appy stud. Isn't the dna sample provided
by the owner/breeder? Who's to stop them from mickeying up the sample?
Who's to stop them from finding a lab tech to pay off? Risky, and certain
to set them up for blackmail in the future, but criminals seem to have a
tendancy to plan short range, not long. And someone who is of a criminal
bent isn't going to be worried about lawsuits or revocations or whatever.
Diane
JetCity
> No, you insist they exist in the multitude.
A "few" and a "multitude" are far different amounts. I suggest you consult
your dictionary for the meanings.
Charles A Hall
Look up the post where you whinged about receiving a lot of hate mail, then
look up the post where you accused me of sending you all that hate mail.
Two qualifies as less than a few. Having problems with basic math as well
as basic English?
Diane
JetCity
> Which were not sent through e-mail, but through your own link on your own
> pages.
Yet still are sent through your own computers' default e-mail program.
> I sent, *through your own link on your own
> website* a critique of your web pages.
Sent by your own computers' default e-mail program.
And the links were not for "critiquing" the pages, but for commenting on the
horses. You changed the subject line to reflect some other sort of nonsense.
> You are the only person who has voiced a complaint.
How would you know that, unless you read the e-mail that you *claim* in
several other posts was "bounced?"
> People who actually get big money for designing websites liked
> my critiques. People who have paid big bucks to get websites
> done for them have liked my critiques. You, as in JETCITY, have
> voiced the only complaint
> I have received. Have I said the same thing enough times now, in enough
> different ways for you to comprehend?
But these sentences have a far different meaning than your original
statement that read thusly:
> Well, since you butchered my original quote almost past recognition
Each time I have quoted it, I have pasted it from your original statement.
> you complained about the critique
In that ONE e-mail reply to you that you *claim* was bounced.
Do tell for everyone's benefit exactly how many "malicious" pranks were "in"
that e-mail. Do tell how many "viruses" your PC "caught" from reading it.
I can answer that Q since it was "0" (as in none, zero, zilch, zip,
nada...etc)
> I sent via the link on your website
Which was sent through your own computers' default e-mail program.
re: diane's outlandish schemes about stud switching
> But you're making the assumption that the breeding was not secretive.
The breeding would not have to be done in secret. Depending on the farm's
policies, they merely tell the personnel to take that mare to that stud. The
hands may not have any idea which mares go to what stallion. Thus furtive
covers in the dead of night would be unnecessary.
> with the concept of switching identities coming up after
> the solid foal was born from the appy stud.
Too late by then, since the report of mares bred would have to have been
turned in long before foaling season (TB's reports of mares bred must be in
by Aug 1 for the following years' foaling season)
Charles A Hall
JetCity <> > You are the only person who has voiced a complaint.
>
> How would you know that, unless you read the e-mail that you *claim* in
> several other posts was "bounced?"
Because, unlike you, I don't have to clog up my filtering program. But
enough of this nonsense.
I have told you to be careful of your actions, and you haven't. Appropriate
measures have been taken in dealing with the situation you wish to create.
Continue in your current fashion, as this will only help Special Agent
Clark.
Diane
JetCity
JC
> > How would you know that, unless you read the e-mail that you *claim* in
> > several other posts was "bounced?"
> Because, unlike you, I don't have to clog up my filtering program. But
> enough of this nonsense.
But you *claimed* several times that it was bounced, and that any e-mail
from me would contain "malicious" coding. So since you obviously read the
mail (because you replied to a specific question posed in it), do tell just
how *many* viruses were contained within that e-mail. (answer: ZERO)
> I have told you to be careful of your actions, and you haven't.
What actions would those be, diane?
You continuously "fuck" with me then get pissed that I reply?
YOU and your idiot cronies have nothing better to do than spend all your
time trying to figure out who I am. YOU are the one posting crap like what
you *think* my name may be. YOU are the one posting crap about what you
*think* my spouse's name may be. YOU are the one posting crap about what
you *think* one horse in my barns name may be.
> Appropriate measures have been taken in
> dealing with the situation you wish to create.
What "situation" would that be, oh miss uppity bitch?
> Continue in your current fashion, as this will only
> help Special Agent Clark.
Fuck SA Clark!
Do tell how f/n stupid you are gonna look when "agent clark" comes a calling
and sees exactly who the CAUSE of this is. In your line of work, you should
know the ramifications of false accusations and reports.
YOU are the one just a few weeks ago with all those "jesse" "richard" and
"lathos" references that you *thought* would refer to me. YOU are the one
who has been actively trying to find out who I am. YOU are the one now
putting on this damn paranoid act.
What the hell would your boss think if he were to see your "postings" to me
on those things, and then to learn you are turning around playing this
"victim" role?
Me "stalk" you? How high are you anyway (agent clark my eye! it is more like
"agent sunshine microdot that you are using)? Like I said, I didn't even
have to give it two seconds worth of effort to "find" you.
FYI, for all your going on and on about how you sent me mail through the
links on my pages (which I thoroughly explained to you how they are sent
through your Computer's default mail program) along with your "nasty"
letters you sent your bosses e-card with his full name, address, phone and
fax numbers. It also has his home phone, address and fax on it.
Howzabout I just print up a few of your replies to me and send them off to
his home so he can better evaluate the "help" that he has in his office? Do
you think he would appreciate that effort? Do you think he would appreciate
knowing how many of HIS hours you waste on NG's?
Next class: stalking made easy instructor: dumb diane course includes
telling your "stalker" exactly where you can be found and your bosses home
phone number and address.
ROFLMAO @ your stupidity
I guess that "genius" daughter of yours must have gotten any and all brains
from her sire.
BTW, here is the information contained on that e-card (though I have taken
off the last digits of the phones/faxes and the street address numbers)
(note: copying and pasting to here lost some of the format of the original
card) I would have just attached the card to this post, but I don't think
you would appreciate the deluge of calls your boss would receive from others
in these NG's that you have fucked with. Maybe if they e'd me for the info,
I would tell them though.......
Charles A. Hall, Esq.
Attorney and Counselor-at-Law
<FinalJ...@prodigy.net>
??? Canal Street
New Smyrna Beach
FL
32168
USA
Work Voice: (904) 427-????
Home Voice: (904) 427-????
Work Fax: (904) 427-????
Home Fax: (904) 427-????
Additional Information:
Version 2.1
Last Name Hall, Esq.
First Name Charles
Additional Name A.
Label Work ??? Canal Street New Smyrna Beach, FL 32168 USA
Label Home ??? Otter Boulevard New Smyrna Beach, FL 32168 USA
Revision 19990916T151649Z
Charles A Hall
JetCity, you have been warned.
JetCity
> JetCity
> I repeat, you have been warned.
Let's see how to succinctly put this......
Fuck off, diane
BTW, if I am "inconvenienced" even ONE second you will not like the
repercussions. Remember, your posts are in the archives (and perhaps on my
PC along with my replies). False accusations (lies) to the authorities can
get YOU in a lot of trouble.....
YOU are the one just a few weeks ago with all those "jesse" "richard" and
"lathos" references that you *thought* would refer to me. YOU are the one
who has been actively trying to find out who I am. YOU are the one now
putting on this damn fake paranoid act.
What the hell would your boss think if he were to see your "postings" to me
on those things, and then to learn you are turning around playing this
"victim" role?
Me "stalk" you? How high are you anyway? Like I said, I didn't even have to
give it two seconds worth of effort to "find" you.
Howzabout I just print up a few of your replies to me and send them off to