* Another victimless recreational drug user crime *
Flash Bang
to tell him what he can and can't put into it. Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 05, 2002
NTSB: Drugs factor in crash that killed 4 Reno men
ASSOCIATED PRESS
RENO, Nev. (AP) - A pilot was under the influence of drugs when the
small plane he was flying crashed in Colorado, killing four Reno men,
a National Transportation Safety Board report concluded.
The four friends were on their way from Reno to a Stanley Cup hockey
game in Denver when their single-engine Piper Cherokee disappeared May
29, 2001 after stopping for fuel at an airport in Meeker, Colo.
The wreckage was discovered eight days later in the middle of Upper
Marvine Lake in the Flat Tops Wilderness, about 135 miles west of
Denver.
It took investigators another week to recover the bodies from the
remote site.
Richard "Dan" Filippe was piloting the plane. Also on board were Ross
Jones and brothers John and Mark Peters.
NTSB investigators said lab tests found amphetamine and
methamphetamine in the pilot's blood and urine, the Reno
Gazette-Journal reported Thursday.
The final report by the NTSB lists the probable cause of the crash as
"the pilot's failure to maintain terrain clearance as a result of his
drug induced impairment."
The report also said the plane was overloaded and that Filippe was
warned it could not accommodate four people.
Jeff Bottarini, who described himself as John Peters' best friend and
an acquaintance of the pilot, told the newspaper he had been invited
to join the group on the trip to Denver but declined.
Bottarini said the plane should never have been at 9,300 feet
altitude, with an additional climb needed to clear the mountains.
"I am very angry," Bottarini said. "He should have known better. It
was a tragic, tragic pilot error."
According to information the NTSB obtained from the Nevada-Cal Aero
Flying Service, Filippe joined the Reno-based flying club two days
before the flight.
An instructor at the club told Filippe he needed five hours practice
flying the Piper locally before taking the club's plane on a
cross-country flight. Filippe told the instructor that most of his 282
hours of flight time was in Cessnas and that he had never flown that
Piper model, the report said.
"He was also told that the PA-28-161 'was not a four-place airplane
and under no circumstances (was he) to place four adults into this
plane,'" the NTSB report said.
The pilot scheduled flight time on May 29, saying it was for the local
practice. He filed a flight plan to Hawthorne, but the report said
there was no record of the plane arriving there.
Information from: Reno Gazette-Journal
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prohibitionists and others of the logically impaired.
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Interesting.
The report notes that the plane was overloaded with more people than
it was designed to hold, and the pilot was inexperienced with the type
of plane being flown. He didn't or couldn't gain the altitude needed
to clear mountains and crashed.
He also had used "amphetamine and methamphetamine", which are
stimulants similar to caffeine, but much stronger.
The final report by the NTSB lists the probable cause of the crash as
"the pilot's failure to maintain terrain clearance AS A RESULT OF HIS
DRUG INDUCED IMPAIRMENT". [emphasis mine].
The report didn't say how much amphetamine and methamphetamine were in
the pilots system, but stimulants typically *enhance* performance
rather than "induce impairment". These stimulants only "induce
impairment" in *very* large doses or if used for prolonged periods.
Perhaps the pilot used these illegal substances in very large amounts
(which would almost require venous injection) or over a prolonged
period of time, but without that knowledge, it can't be accurately
stated that the pilot was "impaired".
I wonder if the NTSB report would have ignored the pilot's lack of
familiarity with the plane and the fact that it was seriously
overloaded if the stimulant in his blood and urine was caffeine
instead of "illegal" drugs?
www.tonez.co.uk
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> methamphetamine in the pilot's blood and urine, the Reno
> Gazette-Journal reported Thursday.
>
> The final report by the NTSB lists the probable cause of the crash as
> "the pilot's failure to maintain terrain clearance as a result of his
> drug induced impairment."
Without turning back time and flying without taking drugs nobody will really
know if that was the cause.
granto
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>
I'm glad too. Too bad he wasn't a responsible pilot.
.:granto:.
Sla#s
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Do I take it you would arrest anyone who used these substances?
Would that be because they 'might possibly' commit a crime?
Slatts
John Graeme
> to tell him what he can and can't put into it. Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How shocking. Well, obviously we should ban private airplanes.
bardo
Are you equating methamphetamine and marijuana?
And meth users may start out as recreational users, but they sure don't end up
that way - how else do you explain this?
But at any rate, John Denver is still dead, and he wasn't using any illicit
substance when he made a similar mistake.
Flying or driving under the influence is a crime and it is dangerous.
So, the crime was not victimless - the crime was flying under the influence.
His drug use didn't harm anyone but himself.
His willful commission of a different crime *may* have been the cause of the
accident - or it simply may have been his inexperience, his willful ignoring
of weight limits, etc....
But you knew all this, didn't you? You're simply a troll, and I have
responded. My bad.
Hiccum Blurpaedius
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Speaking of off topic and such the christian cop government gave top
secret information of national security to the 20th highjacker, oopps.
Must be all the telepathic pot smoke.