What can sniffer dogs detect? And how to foil them?
Pash
pharmaceuticals with me for the plane ride to and fro (and maybe a few
for the in-between!) Namely, some benzos, some hydrocodone and perhaps
a tryptamine. I was wondering if anyone here could help me answer the
following questions:
1). I was wondering if anyone knew - with any authority - just what drug
sniffing dogs can detect. How many different kinds of drugs can a dog
detect with any accuracy? And are they trained to smell out
pharmaceuticals?
2). Is there a difference between dog's detection of opiates (like
morphine) and other opiates, like hydrocodone?
3). Does the expertise of a dog's nose vary from country to country?
4). Has anyone here travelled extensively to Japan and/or brought
pharmaceuticals with them into the country? What are their Customs
Officers like? Do they have loads of dogs? Do they pull everyone over?
Or is it just the occasional passenger, like most countries? (Say
I'm arriving from the US or the UK)
5). I've learned a method of packaging drugs in order to obscure it from
a dog's nose, but I'd like also like to know if anyone has any
suggestions for other scents to futher mask the smell. Even if certain
smells/sprays/perfumes all just smell strong to a human nose, I know
some smells can foil a dog's sense of smell better than others. Any
ideas as to what those super-canine-confounding scents may be?
6). This probably seems like a trick question, but can the dogs smell
tryptamines? I'm assuming no, but I'd just like to make sure.
Thanks,
Pasha
Saint Jude, Patron of Lost Causes
> 1). I was wondering if anyone knew - with any authority - just what drug
> sniffing dogs can detect. How many different kinds of drugs can a dog
> detect with any accuracy? And are they trained to smell out
> pharmaceuticals?
Drug sniffing dogs should be able to spot just about anything if
trained for it. A DSD is going to usually be trained for pot, heroin,
meth, less commonly MDMA. I've never heard of a sniffer trained for
pharmacueticals, but it's possible.
.
> 2). Is there a difference between dog's detection of opiates (like
> morphine) and other opiates, like hydrocodone?
I presume they would generalize between the two, but can't
promise anything. In the case of prescription drugs, it was my
understanding that you could posess up to a months supply without
having evidence of a prescription for it. I can't imagine the powers
that be would even raise an eyebrow over a few vicoden. I'm
confident no dogs are trained on tryptamines...they just aren't a
significant trade item.
.
> 3). Does the expertise of a dog's nose vary from country to country?
Ability varies greatly even from dog to dog. Which drugs a dog
will be trained on varies according to it's job, the training company,
etc.
> 5). I've learned a method of packaging drugs in order to obscure it from
> a dog's nose, but I'd like also like to know if anyone has any
> suggestions for other scents to futher mask the smell. Even if certain
> smells/sprays/perfumes all just smell strong to a human nose, I know
> some smells can foil a dog's sense of smell better than others. Any
> ideas as to what those super-canine-confounding scents may be?
Your best first line of defense should be air/water tight
packaging and thorough cleaning. I haven't seen any evidence one way
or the other on the value of trying to mask the smell.
.
> 6). This probably seems like a trick question, but can the dogs smell
> tryptamines? I'm assuming no, but I'd just like to make sure.
You can be sure the dogs can smell tryptamines, but they can
also smell a million other things. The real question is whether the
dogs have been trained to react to the smell of a tryptamine, and I'm
confident the answer to that is no.
______________
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"Fear and ignorance are my anti-drug!"
Des
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I personally seen a sniffer dog miss an oz of pure mda, 2 inches from its
head.
The same dog found old marajuana leaves, seeds, bong stems ect.
But missed what they were there for : )
I know other people who have success stories using nildor.
ping
up a dogs arse... then when the snifferdog comes by and sniffs your dogs
arse the police will just think he's having a bit of a sniff cos that's what
dogs do..
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liteage1
air port AMF postal center. A few years back and talked with a lot of the
dog
trainers. the dogs are very smart in how they learn. What they do is; get a
cloth and impregnate the cloth with a drug, meat, plant ECT..one cloth one
sent only.
lets say in this case >>Cocaine <<and train one dog with this impregnate
cloth. the cloth looks like a "rolled up news paper". now what they do is
play with the dog until it knows that cloths smell very well. Then the
clerks dump
sacks of parcels onto the belt, the dog runs back and forth till it finds
the planted package and the trainer gives the dog a treat
So each dog is trained to smell out a certain drug, plant, meats and other
banned contraband that is not allowed into the USA.
Also the customs agents open up suspected packages to look inside if they
find nothing they send it on.if they do find a drug they send it on to the
person it Is intended for. As soon as that person puts there hand on the
package you are going to jail. This goes on 24\7 the postal service never
closes. But a lot of parcels still get sent on they can't check everything
that is sent. So using coffee and other thing to full a dog, they no and are
trained for it,so the dogs react to these things. So then the custom agents
open the package.
It is not 100% and lots of drugs get by the inspectors so it is a roll of
the dice. Lucky LSD always gets by. Unless the person sending it is
suspected in something. so roll your dice if you are feeling lucky. now the
dogs are only trained to smell out the common to that state or popular drugs
of the day.
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liteage1
peter
Can anyone with your command of spelling and sentence structure and
the English language get a job working for customs? Don't really mean
to be rude, but, well, just curious how you passed the test. (Unless
you are really Rin Tin Tin or Lassie)....
liteage1
WHAT. you know what I said,and most people that will read this will too.
unhappy complaining ass holes like you, that try to live in a so called
perfect world, trying to be a perfect little slave in dept up to there
ears. have no clue what freedom is. I worked with them for 20 years and I
have retired from there with lots of money. I have a brand new home, paid
for with cash no house payments what so every and I am 45, and you say I'm
dumb look in the mirror dude. what's your story, still slaving Or are you
just one of them people that like to pick and complain your way through
life. But them again you could just be an old bitter customs agent trying to
distract others from this very true info about how custom works. now from
this uneducated fool like, you think I am. boy that did hurt me so. I guess
my life over now. have a fucking nice life. Picky picky picky. well off I go
the the lake to get some trout ,yummy yummy. PS ha ha ha lol
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> "liteage1" <liteage_1@ yahoo.com> wrote in message
liteage1
spelling and sentence structure and
know that.
Bill Hoho
allanw...@hotmail.com (peter) posted:
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>"liteage1" <lite...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<gZema.2235$qL5....@news01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net>...
>> I have worked with customs. in the san Francisco California area at the SFO
>> air port AMF postal center. A few years back and talked with a lot of the
>> do
-- snip --
>> It is not 100% and lots of drugs get by the inspectors so it is a roll of
>> the dice. Lucky LSD always gets by. Unless the person sending it is
>> suspected in something. so roll your dice if you are feeling lucky. now the
>> dogs are only trained to smell out the common to that state or popular drugs
>> of the day.
>
>Can anyone with your command of spelling and sentence structure and
>the English language get a job working for customs? Don't really mean
>to be rude, but, well, just curious how you passed the test. (Unless
>you are really Rin Tin Tin or Lassie)....
Gezze you are picky. Give the guy a break. In spite of you stating you
did not mean to be rude, you were in fact, rude.
Were you incapable of understanding what was said? If so... I suggest the
fault is with you, not him.
BTW. Customs does not have an English Composition pre-requisite in their
hiring process.
--
In comparative liberty,
Bill
It's not about oil. It's about CONTROL of oil.
Bill Hoho
Pash <me@me[i.feel.sorry.for.the.poor.bastard.who.has.this.address].com>
posted:
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>
>5). I've learned a method of packaging drugs in order to obscure it from
>a dog's nose, but I'd like also like to know if anyone has any
>suggestions for other scents to futher mask the smell. Even if certain
>smells/sprays/perfumes all just smell strong to a human nose, I know
>some smells can foil a dog's sense of smell better than others. Any
>ideas as to what those super-canine-confounding scents may be?
Back in the day, we used powdered bleach with complete success.
liteage1
may I add, some folks should really try to step down to the real world.
There is way less stress here.
cheers
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Bill Hoho
"liteage1" <lite...@yahoo.com> posted:
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>thank you, Bill Hoho. may life and her wonderful gifts bless you forever.
>may I add, some folks should really try to step down to the real world.
>There is way less stress here.
>cheers
You are welcome. I sometimes wonder what must have driven a mind to such
thinking. I just returned from a visit with my favorite sister who has
now become a Republican.
She even said is now a fan of Rush Limbaugh. Good Lord. What horrors of
the mind must be responsible for such profound corrosion?
Perhaps someday these people will find relief from torment. Thus the
world will become a more peaceful home for us all.
liteage1
hard to hide from a dog. The dogs are individually trained
Each dog has his own drug. And the fact the peter may be an inspector
monitoring the adp sites. Read and learn what the newest tricks people try
then the dog trainers teach the dogs to also alert them of those cover up
scents, lets say bleach or cod liver oils. The fact is they can not afford
to have a dog or dogs 24\7 on those mail belts I have been there. they only
came 3 times a week. There is so much mail that comes in to these centers at
lest 1 billion pieces a week just for san Francisco area alone. It is a very
big operation to manage.
That is why a lot of drugs come into the states un-detected . And besides
does any one really think that the DEA and who ever the upper management is,
really going to stop all drug traffic. they will lose there yearly allotment
of mega $ and the prison system loves the money made from the none violent
drug offenders too. Wake up America! Like you say at the bottom of your
post. It's not about oil. It's about CONTROL of oil. oil makes money,the
need for more money moves products, people work there life way to buy
products, they stay in dept. credit card dept, house dept. it never ends.
fallow the money. may be most of Those at the top really don't care about
any one under them. now drugs, that really makes lots of none taxed money
for someone. It is just another business.
And in my a-pinion kids that see there parents drink and have fun doing it,
that is the gateway to there future choices, if they want to try them or
not. And I have known more responsible users of drugs even some customs
clerks. then the dumb ones that take to the streets. there the uneducated
and fall for the programming of the times. Hip hop, hippy it is the look
that gets you in trouble with the law faster then Mr.. Business tie. would.
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liteage1
peace to you too.
cheers.
"I have also wondered about using activated charcoal such as in the lining
of anti-nerve gas suits. Activated charcoal is excellent at absorbing
everything and would greatly reduce whatever scent remained after an
airtight container was washed and then rinsed with alcohol."
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> On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:44:10 GMT, While I was looking at on-line porn,
> "liteage1" <lite...@yahoo.com> posted:
> .
>
> >I believe the dogs ability to smell down to a molecule size sent is very
> >hard to hide from a dog.
>
> I don't think bleach actually masks. Instead, it serves to curtail the
> dog's ability to smell anything. Of course, a dog can be trained to smell
> actual bleach, but that would take a dog trained for bleach. Unlikely.
>
> I have also wondered about using activated charcoal such as in the lining
> of anti-nerve gas suits. Activated charcoal is excellent at absorbing
> everything and would greatly reduce whatever scent remained after an
> airtight container was washed and then rinsed with alcohol.
>
> > The fact is they cannot afford
> >to have a dog or dogs 24\7 on those mail belts I have been there. they
only
> >came 3 times a week.
>
> That and the fact that dogs can only work for short consecutive periods.
>
> > Those at the top really don't care about
> >any one under them... now drugs, that really makes lots of non-taxed
money
> >for someone. It is just another business.
>
> Amen
peter
> your fucking funny, I my not use the proper grammar and I spell badly, SO
> WHAT. you know what I said,and most people that will read this will too.
> unhappy complaining ass holes like you, that try to live in a so called
> perfect world, trying to be a perfect little slave in dept up to there
> ears. have no clue what freedom is. I worked with them for 20 years and I
> have retired from there with lots of money. I have a brand new home, paid
> for with cash no house payments what so every and I am 45, and you say I'm
> dumb look in the mirror dude. what's your story, still slaving Or are you
> just one of them people that like to pick and complain your way through
> life. But them again you could just be an old bitter customs agent trying to
> distract others from this very true info about how custom works. now from
> this uneducated fool like, you think I am. boy that did hurt me so. I guess
> my life over now. have a fucking nice life. Picky picky picky. well off I go
> the the lake to get some trout ,yummy yummy. PS ha ha ha lol
Actually I found your post informative and interesting. I guess I was
just in awe of the fact that someone of your reading and writing
skills was hired in the first place.
You do remind me of a Simpsons episode where Homer had an engineer
working near him in the nuclear plant - I believe his name was Frank
Grimes or something - and Homer kept torturing Grimes by his very
stupidity and lack of awareness of his job. In an attempt to befriend
him, Homer invited Grimes to his house for dinner. Grimes was
astounded that Homer, being so unbelieveably stupid, owned his own
house, had a lobster dinner prepared, had a family, and that Bart had
his own corporation (he bought a run down warehouse at auction for a
dollar or so) etc. When Grimes asked Homer how he did it, Homer said
something like, "I don't know, it's the system I guess..."
You are the living embodiment of Homer in that system!
Congratulations!
Don't take it so personally. I invited the flames by the post.
liteage1
yoganta
the islands are generally all routinely checked. In Jamaica they told me to
wrap hash in plastic really tight in gram chunks and stick it in suntan
lotion bottles. Don't use foil as it xrays. Same should work for anything.
Just make sure it's airtight unless you like yer dope to smell like sunbaked
freerange broad.
Ron Raska
>listen... if you want to smyggle drugs then the best place to keep them is
>up a dogs arse... then when the snifferdog comes by and sniffs your dogs
>arse the police will just think he's having a bit of a sniff cos that's what
>dogs do..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ron Raska
Stop waisting your time watching the Simpsons and Get a job!