Dust Collectors; Oneida vs Penn State?
Jack Hahn
Question re Dust Collectors.
June 2000 American Woodworker Chose Oneida Air Systems 1.5
HP Cyclonic Collector at $695 as the Editors Choice and Penn State
1 HP at $210 as the Best Buy.
Has anyone used either of these?
What has your experience been with them?
There is large price difference is the Oneida worth the difference?
Thanks,
Jack Hahn
Nick Faymoville
You are comparing apples and oranges. The $210.00 Penn State collector is
not in it with the Oneida Cyclone system. The former is a big vacuum
cleaner that exhausts thru a dust bag and unless you spend EXTRA bucks to
get a closely woven bag, much of the finest dust is blown right back into
your shop.
The Oneida, on the other hand, drops the detritus into a collector barrel
and exhausts the air through a large, cartridge type, paper filter which is
very efficient. The Penn State uses an asiatic motor - the Oneida uses a
high quality motor made in the US. The cheap one is noisier than the better
one. If you are planning to duct your shop, with drops at every machine,
the Penn State won't handle a very extensive system. At best, it will serve
your purpose if you wheel it to each machine when you need it. I have had
a 2 HP Asiatic unit that I didn't use much because of its inefficiency. I
now have the 1.5 HP Oneida serving 11 drops in my shop and doing a fine job.
I consider the money for the Oneida is well spent.
If you have specific questions I will try to answer them.
Nick Faymoville
Bemidji, Minnesota
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Douglas Baker
The Oneida is easily the better tool (handles a 6" jointer and a 12.5"
planer at the end of 40' and 5 90 degree turns simulataneously in my
shop).
More money, but better performance (and probably warranty too).
If you're in the area, they'll even let you watch them making the
collectors....
If you have questions, feel free to email me...
Doug
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:32:11 -0400, "Jack Hahn" <jack...@wam.umd.edu>
wrote:
Douglas Baker
The Penn State is closer to a large shopvac - fine if you want to move
it around from machine to machine, but not suitable for stationary
placement with long runs.
I too have the Oneida 1.5, although mine only serves 5 drops (not
enough room to plumb the rest in this house): a tablesaw (Unisaw),
bandsaw (18" Jet), jointer (6" Jet), planer (12.5" Delta), and a 5"
floor sweep.
the jointer and planer (the two largest chip producers) are both,
unfortunately, at the end of a 40' run w/ 5 90 degree elbows (far from
ideal). I have, on occasion, had call to use both tools at once, and
can honestly say that the Oneida had no problem collecting the chips
from both (although not as well as when only collecting from one
tool).
American Woodworker did an article a year or so ago that compared the
Oneida with the PS Tempest (Oneida could tell you the issue - they
used to have it one their site) - I would suggest a copy of that
article - they tested all the collectors under similar conditions and
compare "true" CFM to Stated CFM from the mfg.
I highly recommend the Oneida - let me know if there is anything else
you want to know.
Doug
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:32:11 -0400, "Jack Hahn" <jack...@wam.umd.edu>
wrote:
>Hello everyone,
Randy Dickinson; Portland, OR
shipping, that looks interesting for the price; this unit does have a
cyclone. It has the separate filter bag which does require more
space, but probably does not clog up as fast as the Oneida filter.
Oneida is a pretty nice company, although I have not bought too much
from them.
It looks like both the Onieda and the pennstate systems require a drum
and mounting brackets in addition to the basic unit.
Take care,
Randy Dickinson
On Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:32:11 -0400, "Jack Hahn" <jack...@wam.umd.edu>
wrote:
>Hello everyone,
Douglas Baker
Oneida relies on an internal cartridge filter.
Because of this, the Tempest suffers the same problem as most bag
filter collectors - when you start it up, it "puffs".
Interestingly, the Oneida actually gets _more_ efficient (this may not
surprise all of you, but it did me) after you have run it and created
a light cake on the filter (99% at 1 micron).
One other observation (from the AW article mentioned earlier -
speaking of which, sorry for the double post, I didn't think the first
one went) - the Oneida actually rates at 700CFM with the cyclone and a
few feet of straight pipe attached. The Tempest, although rated
750CFM, only managed to pull in 400 when it had the cyclone and same
amount of pipe....
Doug
James Gaydos
model.1 1/2 HP ,portable collector. I got this on sale about 3 years
back . It is rated at 750 cfm . It has the same motor and propeller set
up as one of there larger collectors. Penn State also upgraded the bag
to a 1 micron bag. It is not a whole shop collector. As I said ,it is a
portable collector. I got it to use at the lathe, I use 3 different ones
depending on what I'm turning ,and if need be ,I can move it about ,very
easily.It has performed very well. Cost was under $200 at the time. I
had no intentions to plumb my shop to this collector,I don't think it
would work as well. Most of my sanding is at the lathe.This was
purchased as an alternative to my other dust collector,a fan placed in
an open window. I also invested in Penn States remote control ,The Long
Ranger,as I'm to lazy to walk over and turn it on and off.
James E Gaydos
Woodturner
Architectural--Spindle
Antique & Historic Reproductions
Ephrata,Pennsylvania
member-- AAW
bill78
bowls can you sand between filter cleanings? I will be going to some
sort of Oneida system soon, but am still considering whether to go
with an external catridge, internal cartridge or tubes. I generally
sand several pieces a day and don't do much other woodworking.
Thanks,
Bill78
Renton, WA
Steve Worcester
could not be happier. I have 2 - 4" drops, and 3-5" drops in my garage all
with steel blast gates. I would like to go to eco gates, as I think I would
get a bit more power because of the seals on the gates.
The best part about the cyclone is how quiet it is in comparison. I can hear
the radio! Really, though, in any whole shop system, properly constructed,
the dust collector was only 1/2 the cost of the whole system after pipe,
tubing, gates, remote, etc...
--
Steve Worcester
www.turningwood.com
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Bob
Fot a single machine the Penn State unit works fine... however it just
will not
function nearly as well as the Grizzley when connected to 40-50 foot of
4 inch
pipe...
The Oneida is a Cyclone and functions MUCH better then any unit that
uses upper
and lower bags...filters better..easier to empty...just a much better
TYPE of machine... Is it worth the price difference...In my opinion
yes and I do plan on
replacing my 2 Hp unit with a cyclone...(Penn State also makes a cyclone
btw)..same basic price as the Oneida however...
Bob Griffiths
Not much of a turner..and only use the Lathe every now and then...
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John T. Lannom
guy in our club had with the pleated filters. Seems the hard curly
shavings from his gouge tended to lock on to the filter and would not
turn loose or fall off. Hence, the would have to stop and clean the
paper filter more often than he wanted to. He updated his 1 1/2 HP unit
with outside felt bags. I love my 2 hp unit.
John Lannom
cindy drozda
We recently bought an Oneida 3hp unit with the paper filter, have not
hooked it up yet, but will report on it later.
I want to mention our experience with both Oneida and Penn State durring
the shopping for a dust collection system. Penn State has a good price and
favorable reviews in magazines, but when we called them to find out more
about the systems' capacities, etc, the sales person was obnoxious and not
helpful at all. No information seemed to be available from a human and if
the lack of service over the phone spoke for the level of service after
purchase...! Oneida, on the other hand, was extremely helpful in offering
comparative data (theirs vs. others'), and describing in detail their
filtration specs and system capacities. They were knowledgable and helpful
in our choice of what system would meet our needs, and even offer a free
custom ductwork plan for our shop. The attitudes of the sales staff was an
important factor, but after hearing what they had to say about their
systems, it seems that Oneida systems would out perform the Penn State
systems in terms of the percent of very fine dust that is filtered out. We
will not be looking to the dust collection system to pick up large gouge
shavings (especially after reading that last post!). It's job is to pick
up dust from sanding on 2 lathes at once, or any other 2 machines at once
that do sanding, planing, jointing, sawing, etc. Fine dust is the biggest
danger to our lungs, so that is the main focus.
We'll keep the group posted as the system gets up and running. As others
have told us, the ductwork can cost as much as the collection unit!
-CD-
boulder, co
Nick Faymoville
Don't forget to install a floor sweep somewhere in your shop. It is just
the handiest thing imaginable!!
Nick Faymoville
Bemidji, Minnesota
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