Lathe Stand
Bob Sosenko
steep slope all on Owen L. of Portland, Oregon fame...... He was very
helpful (as usual) and after reading quite a bit in this ng and doing some
searching, I still haven't been able to find a solution.
I have the Delta midi with the extension and want to build a stand for it
that:
1. Easily adjustable in height. I believe I have interested SWMBO in trying
her hand at turning and would like to make it as easy as possible for her to
change the height when she has the inclination to make some chips.
2. I have a small Jet DC (650cfm) that I use on my drum sander and it will
now share duty with the lathe. Need some ideas on good setup scheme using
4" hose and what kind of adapters are typically used ?
3. Ideas on what are must have features of a stand. It will be on a mobile
base or as a minimum, have locking, heavy-duty wheels so I can move it away
from the wall when needed. I have a shop but it is jammed full and no room
for the lathe, so it has to go in my garage along with the drum sander, so
I've reserved about 12' of wall space for these items. Obviously when
they're needed, the car goes in the driveway and the garage changes it's
call sign to "Shop 2".
Owen has provided me the link to Steve Tiedman site and that's an excellent
idea for a stand but doesn't work for me. I would prefer to build it myself
but certainly willing to look at commercial products too. I don't need
plans, just some pictures of a stand to get the ideas down on what
constitutes a good stand that doesn't get in the way and is a solid design.
I can make up my own plans and figure out the dimensions....
I'm sure someone will ask, "what kind of turning will I do" since that may
impact the type stand you build. Right, so I'm interested in doing
segmented bowls, spindles (table legs) on down to knobs and decorative
ornaments. I doubt I'll be turning any pens but hey, the wife may get into
that.
Appreciate your time and suggestions....
Bob S.
Gene
2. Instead of adjustable height, think about a fold down wide platform that
represents the height difference between yourself and your wife. Fold it up
out of the way when you turn and down for her to stand on when she turns.
3. If you need more solid support than is provided by the wheels, consider a
couple of jacks that would push down retractable feet enough to take the
weight off the wheels.
Sorry, no pictures, just a couple ideas to throw in the pot with the rest
that will surely be forthcomming.
Gene
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Leo Lichtman
"Gene wrote: (clip)Instead of adjustable height, think about a fold down
wide platform that represents the height difference between yourself and
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While a fold-down platform would certainly be an elegant solution, I would
suggest you try a flat wooden box of appropriate height. Much easier to
build and probably more sturdy. After you see how both your interests
develop, you can always do something fancier.
JimM
you go to walk away from the lathe, you don't stumble off that step. It
would be like walking down the stairs and missing that last step.
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Joe Fleming
"Shopnotes" did a lathe stand for a JET 1236 sized lathe several years
ago. I modified that design for my first lathe. The lathe bench was
about 50" long and made from MDF and poplar trim. The design called for
2 drawers. I made it with four drawers. The stand also had a box in it
for sand to help weigh it down. I really liked it for the lathe.
Wheels would be pretty easy to add. For height adjustment, I would go
with a movable or folding platform for the shorter person.
Joe Fleming - SAn Diego
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Bob Sosenko
consensus for the adjustable height problem.
Thanks,
Bob S.
ri...@rickfrazier.com
I'll reply inline to your issues, below:
Bob Sosenko wrote:
> Newbie woodturner here and I get to blame this slippery slide, down the
> steep slope all on Owen L. of Portland, Oregon fame...... He was very
> helpful (as usual) and after reading quite a bit in this ng and doing some
> searching, I still haven't been able to find a solution.
>
> I have the Delta midi with the extension and want to build a stand for it
> that:
>
> 1. Easily adjustable in height. I believe I have interested SWMBO in trying
> her hand at turning and would like to make it as easy as possible for her to
> change the height when she has the inclination to make some chips.
>
I have the Midi Delta (without the extension) as a small lathe and backup to a
large lathe. I built a stand from 2" square steel tubing. welded to make the
stand. I can supply pictures if you have more interest. just let me know. It's
in a simple A-Frame format with two top bars and one "stretcher" about six
inches from the floor. I'm assuming SWMBO is shorter than you, and would
suggest building the stand to your height, then making a large flat box for her
to stand on (about the length of the lathe stand but about 2 feet front-to-back,
to make a large platform when she wants to turn. Most SWMBOs are pretty
interested until they find out what it takes to learn turning (mostly they seem
to hate sanding...) , then lose interest rapidly so putting a lot of extra
effort into making the lathe stand convertible. Besides, if she really does get
serious about turning, you'll want to buy her a lathe of her own! (trust me, I
know about this...)
>
> 2. I have a small Jet DC (650cfm) that I use on my drum sander and it will
> now share duty with the lathe. Need some ideas on good setup scheme using
> 4" hose and what kind of adapters are typically used ?
Even with a considerably higher capacity DC, I've yet to see one that is really
effective on a lathe. If you are looking to capture the chips, you might as
well give up right now. Hang something behind your operating position (like a
shower curtain) to sort of contain the chips in a relatively small area, and
shovel them out fairly often. (I can generate about a cubic yard of shavings a
day when working with Norfolk Pine on my big lathe, but still create quite a bit
of sawdust and shavings with the Delta). If you're looking to have the DC
capture as much of the sanding dust as possible, you will spend considerable
time creating hoods to fit near the object you are sanding, which tend to get in
the way (at least the way I work, they did) so it may be better to just wear a
decent respirator and sweep or vacuum the dust up later. Of course, your
mileage may vary, depending upon how much you are willing to put up with in
creating and maintaining DC hoods and such... If you turn the same shape all of
the time, it's not so bad, but if you vary the sizes and shapes a lot like I do,
you may spend nearly as much time making DC hoods and taping on cardboard to
make 'em work better that you just get tired of it and just sweep up later, as I
currently do... You need to determine what you are willing to live with, I
guess. Of course, if your shop area is immediately adjacent to a living area,
then you may be willing to put more effort into DC activities. (My
workshop/studio is about 75 feet from the house, and down wind, with no
neighbors for nearly a mile on the downwind side. I clean the shop/studio every
couple of months, whether it needs it or not <grin>)
>
>
> 3. Ideas on what are must have features of a stand. It will be on a mobile
> base or as a minimum, have locking, heavy-duty wheels so I can move it away
> from the wall when needed. I have a shop but it is jammed full and no room
> for the lathe, so it has to go in my garage along with the drum sander, so
> I've reserved about 12' of wall space for these items. Obviously when
> they're needed, the car goes in the driveway and the garage changes it's
> call sign to "Shop 2".
If you're set about putting wheels on the lathe stand, only put wheels on the
headstock end, and place them parallel with the bed ways. That way, you pick up
the tailstock end and move it around sort of like a wheelbarrow when you want to
move it. Most forces you apply during turning are perpendicular to the wheels,
so the lathe stays put. You shouldn't need a bunch of extra weight if you make
a substantial stand (like welded steel tubing), but if you are concerned, just
make a low shelf where you can add a couple bags of concrete mix or sand if you
need them. Generally, with the Midi lathe, you shouldn't be turning much that
is all that far out of balance anyway, or you will be have a high likelihood of
shortening the life of the spindle bearings on this sort of lathe. As a
minimum, the stand should have a flat top at least as long as the lathe, a
stretcher below to maintain spacing of the legs, and legs that are wider at the
floor than they are at the top of the stand ("A-frame" style). I prefer welded
square steel tubing because it is easy to work with, strong, and can be modified
fairly easily. If you must use wheels, don't use swiveling wheels on either
end, or you'll be following the lathe all around the shop. Wheels at one end
are easy to deal with, and it isn't much different to move around once you get
used to it.
>
>
> Owen has provided me the link to Steve Tiedman site and that's an excellent
> idea for a stand but doesn't work for me. I would prefer to build it myself
> but certainly willing to look at commercial products too. I don't need
> plans, just some pictures of a stand to get the ideas down on what
> constitutes a good stand that doesn't get in the way and is a solid design.
> I can make up my own plans and figure out the dimensions....
>
> I'm sure someone will ask, "what kind of turning will I do" since that may
> impact the type stand you build. Right, so I'm interested in doing
> segmented bowls, spindles (table legs) on down to knobs and decorative
> ornaments. I doubt I'll be turning any pens but hey, the wife may get into
> that.
>
Unless you only turn pens, it really doesn't make all that much difference what
you turn, but most of the things you have described will result in a rough
object that is pretty well balanced to begin with, so you shouldn't have much of
a problem no matter what kind of stand you build. Given well balanced rough
stock, you can probably get away with a wooden stand. As indicated above, I
prefer steel, but if you do go with a wood frame, make sure you at least BOLT it
together. A few sheetrock screws or nails just won't do the trick for a lathe
stand. If you are planning on turning things from raw wood (like bowls and
hollow vessels from log stock or cants) then I believe that a metal stand is a
necessity, not a luxury. As I turn a wide variety of things, I go for
substantial welded steel stands, and never have to worry about what I put in the
lathe. I've seen quite a few people that make their stand from 2x4's and cover
them with plywood, then wonder why they get sloppy after awhile...
>
> Appreciate your time and suggestions....
>
> Bob S.
Good Luck!
--Rick
Bob Sosenko
That was certainly a substantial tutorial in lathe stand dynamics... Learned
more from your comments than I did browsing the web and reading numerous
articles.
I would like to see a picture of the stand you made but how about posting it
in alt.binaries.woodworking so anyone else interested in this can also see
what you have described. Although I don't have any welding equipment, there
is a nearby machine shop that I could negotiate with.... If I decide to go
that way, then maybe some other pictures would be needed to see more
details. I did look at the Jet steel base which has an extension stretcher.
I dismissed it as not looking all that hefty and was worried about it
bouncing about. But your comments tend to make me think otherwise.
Several others also suggested a box or platform instead of making the stand
adjustable. Sometimes I just can't see the forest for all the tree's. Of
course that makes more sense than concocting an adjustable mechanism.
As for the DC connections, you've confirmed what I suspected - no magic
bullet here either. I can live with cleaning up the chips. Your comments
about SWMBO's is very true. Can not get her interested in any of the big
powered tools but a midi lathe isn't so intimidating and having a his 'n her
setup is okay with me.
Thanks for your time and sharing your experiences.
Bob S.
Owen Lowe
"Bob Sosenko" <junk-r...@twcny.rr.com> wrote:
> Newbie woodturner here and I get to blame this slippery slide, down the
> steep slope all on Owen L. of Portland, Oregon fame...
That's right, blame it on me. (I'm glad you were able to use what I
could offer.)
Thank you also for the supergrit.com link - got a catalog speeding my
way as I type.
_____
Member AAW Chapters:
Cascade Woodturners Assoc., Portland, Oregon
Northwest Woodturners, Tigard, Oregon
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Dave Peebles
Rick's post made me think about the stand I have for the Jet mini. It is
made by Jet and is surprisingly stable.
http://www.bowlturner.com/Jet_lathe_with_stand_resized.jpg
It does have a provision for the bed extension. I'm not sure if the bolt
patterns are the same for the Jet and Delta, but you may be able to adapt
it to the Delta. Or at least use it as a starting point for making your own
stand.
Best wishes,
Dave
--
David Peebles
Lyons, Ohio
Revolutions Woodturning
www.bowlturner.com
Paul Rasmussen
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ri...@rickfrazier.com
I've put up a page on one of my web sites with a few pictures of the stand with
a Delta Midi on it.
The unit on the stand is a short bed (standard) version, but I plan to add a bed
extension when I get a few extra bucks and the dock strike is over. (I live on
the big island of Hawaii, and shipping here is expensive enough for equipment
without having to ship via air).
http://dreamingofhawaii.com/workshop/delta-stand.asp
Cut and paste the above URL into your browser's Address or Location line.
For the most part, anyone with the equipment to cut and weld the tubing should
be able to determine the appropriate lengths and angles, but I can measure it if
someone needs more details. Besides, each person would want a different spindle
height, so the leg length would change anyway.
Thanks
--Rick
ri...@rickfrazier.com
I've put up a page on one of my web sites with a few pictures of the stand with
a Delta Midi on it.
The unit on the stand is a short bed (standard) version, but I plan to add a bed
extension when I get a few extra bucks and the dock strike is over. (I live on
the big island of Hawaii, and shipping here is expensive enough for equipment
without having to ship via air).
http://dreamingofhawaii.com/workshop/delta-stand.asp
Cut and paste the above URL into your browser's Address or Location line.
For the most part, anyone with the equipment to cut and weld the tubing should
be able to determine the appropriate lengths and angles, but I can measure it if
someone needs more details. Besides, each person would want a different spindle
height, so the leg length would change anyway.
Thanks
--Rick
ri...@rickfrazier.com
I've put up a page on one of my web sites with a few pictures of the stand with
a Delta Midi on it.
The unit on the stand is a short bed (standard) version, but I plan to add a bed
extension when I get a few extra bucks and the dock strike is over. (I live on
the big island of Hawaii, and shipping here is expensive enough for equipment
without having to ship via air).
http://dreamingofhawaii.com/workshop/delta-stand.asp
Cut and paste the above URL into your browser's Address or Location line.
For the most part, anyone with the equipment to cut and weld the tubing should
be able to determine the appropriate lengths and angles, but I can measure it if
someone needs more details. Besides, each person would want a different spindle
height, so the leg length would change anyway.
Thanks
--Rick
ri...@rickfrazier.com
I've put up a page on one of my web sites with a few pictures of the stand with
a Delta Midi on it.
The unit on the stand is a short bed (standard) version, but I plan to add a bed
extension when I get a few extra bucks and the dock strike is over. (I live on
the big island of Hawaii, and shipping here is expensive enough for equipment
without having to ship via air).
http://dreamingofhawaii.com/workshop/delta-stand.asp
Cut and paste the above URL into your browser's Address or Location line.
For the most part, anyone with the equipment to cut and weld the tubing should
be able to determine the appropriate lengths and angles, but I can measure it if
someone needs more details. Besides, each person would want a different spindle
height, so the leg length would change anyway.
Thanks
--Rick
ri...@rickfrazier.com
sorry....
--rick
Bob Sosenko
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.............;-)
That looks to be a very solid stand and the legs don't get in the way at
all. Nicely done and I appreciate you taking the time to post the pictures.
As for all the extra postings, you left the stutter button on......
Bob S.
Leo Lichtman
Bob Sosenko wrote: (clip) As for all the extra postings, you left the
stutter button on......
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