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dating a Frister & Rossmann machine

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Jan 17, 2001, 8:26:57 PM1/17/01
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We have a hand-crank Frister & Rossmann machine, very elegant black and
gold pseudo-Egyptian design in nice condition. We'd like to date it, but:

- I can't see a serial number on it anywhere; there's a big letter
E on it and a brass plate added by the British agent, Quitmann of
London; nothing more precise. Where's the serial number hiding?

- if we did find the number I'm not sure what to do with it; unlike
with Singers, there seems to be no third-party site for F&R serial
numbers, and F&R's own website (www.frister.com) is a browser-
crashing abortion (presumably it needs Microsoft dreckware to work?)
which I have no intention of ever trying to look at again.

Does the E give anything away about the date?

My mum had an F&R machine that looked vaguely similar; she must have had
it at least since the Fifties, maybe since before the war. I remember
her getting the motor fitted around 1960.

Incidentally, why do so many old sewing machines have Egyptian-motif
designs? They could have done Pre-Raphaelite, Art Nouveau, Victorian
Gothic, Italian Fascist speed-&-streamlines or wacky-angled Soviet
Futurism, but you usually got sphinxes and Greek keys instead.

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Jan 18, 2001, 12:19:52 PM1/18/01
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"have Egyptian-motif
designs? They could have done Pre-Raphaelite, Art Nouveau, Victorian
Gothic, Italian Fascist speed-&-streamlines or wacky-angled Soviet
Futurism, but you usually got sphinxes and Greek keys instead."

Keep collecting these things and you will see all of the above. It has to
do with the style or perceived style at the time. Try a Kenmore 117 for the
Angled stuff. I just got one and it is all angles. I have an Art Nouveau
Singer and an Art Deco one. As for Gothic have you seen the Godzilla Type
Singer, pretty Gothic to me. Straight Victorian decoration was popular
also. Then there was the "Rocketeer". You should see the new Singer for
2000, looks like a space ship.
Remember that there were no home sewing rooms and if you owned a machine you
were well off, and it was on display. This is why the ornate cabinets and
such. Keep looking and you will find one of everything.

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Joanne

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Jan 18, 2001, 4:38:45 PM1/18/01
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Graham Forsdyke at ISMACS can give you an approximate date
based on when the British agent was doing business. You can
contact him through http://www.ismacs.net/home.shtml You'll
also find interesting information on that site about your
machine. Congratulations on it - it's a very nice machine!!

Joanne in Reno

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Sewmun

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Jan 28, 2001, 9:14:48 PM1/28/01
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We've always called the Kenmores a "coffin model" Whites had the same one also
but I bet you knew that.
Have Fun
Bob
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