15x1 and 130/705H. What's the difference?
Cesar Crusius
I got my hands on a nice Pfaff 130 and have to buy some needles for
it. The manual says "130R" is the system it uses, but everybody sells
either 15x1 (Singer) or 130/705H.
After researching on the net I see a lot claim 15x1 and 130/705H are
"interchangeable," but I also saw posts claiming that 15x1 is actually
somewhat smaller than 130/705H. So the questions go: what are the
differences between the two systems, if any? Of those two, which one
corresponds to my Pfaff's 130R?
Cheers,
- Cesar
Cynthia Spilsted
It seems to me that 130R is an older rating for the needle. Is the 130 a
serger? My one Pfaff serger takes regular sewing machine needles and the
other one takes EL-705 needles. My advice would be to contact Pfaff either
by phone or through their website. You don't say where you live so it would
probably be best to go to the main Pfaff page and be re-directed to the
Pfaff centre in your country. I contact Mason's Sewing Machine Supply in
Vancouver, British Columbia for any machine pieces (including needles) that
cannot be supplied by my closest dealer (still 140 kms away!).
Cynthia
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Ron Anderson
one time each manufacturer assigned a needle system number. Needle system
numbers define a needles characteristics, i.e, length from butt to top of
eye, diameter of the shank, shank design as in round, one flat side, 2 flat
sides, grove, etc., Scarf (cut above the eye), long grove in blade, short
grove in blade, and on and on and on.
Manufacturing companies being greedy assign different numbers to the same
basic sets of characteristics so the unknowing consumer will purchase their
needles and not the less expensive ones.
15X1 is the Singer system number, 130/705H is the European number, HAX1 is
the Japanese number. I do not find a reference to 130R but it I am sure was
a Pfaff needle system. You may use any of the classifications I mentioned.
Just be sure they do have the scarf (cut above the eye). Some early versions
of 15X1 did not have it but a short grove on the back side of the needle.
--
Ron Anderson
A1 Sewing Machine
PO Box 60
Sand Lake, NY 12153
518-469-5133
http://www.a1sewingmachine.com
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Ron Anderson
A1 Sewing Machine
PO Box 60
Sand Lake, NY 12153
518-469-5133
http://www.a1sewingmachine.com
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Pogonip
> Ok, here goes. Needle systems it seems was developed by terrorists(<g>). At
> one time each manufacturer assigned a needle system number. Needle system
> numbers define a needles characteristics, i.e, length from butt to top of
> eye, diameter of the shank, shank design as in round, one flat side, 2 flat
> sides, grove, etc., Scarf (cut above the eye), long grove in blade, short
> grove in blade, and on and on and on.
> Manufacturing companies being greedy assign different numbers to the same
> basic sets of characteristics so the unknowing consumer will purchase their
> needles and not the less expensive ones.
> 15X1 is the Singer system number, 130/705H is the European number, HAX1 is
> the Japanese number. I do not find a reference to 130R but it I am sure was
> a Pfaff needle system. You may use any of the classifications I mentioned.
> Just be sure they do have the scarf (cut above the eye). Some early versions
> of 15X1 did not have it but a short grove on the back side of the needle.
>
>
There are some great old ads - "Use ONLY genuine XXXXX
parts/needles/oil, etc" sometimes depicting horrible
outcomes if That Other Brand were used. Of course, modern
advertising would never, never do such a thing.........
--
Joanne @ stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us
http://bernardschopen.tripod.com/
Life is about the journey, not about the destination.
Pat in Virginia
My experience with (other models) Pfaff leads me to warn you: do
NOT use the Singer needles with Pfaff. They are longer than the
Pfaff requires. HTH. PAT
"Cesar Crusius" <cesar....@stanfordalumni.org> wrote in
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>> Hi there,
>>
>> I got my hands on a nice Pfaff 130 and have to buy some
needles for
>> it. The manual says "130R" is the system it uses, but
everybody sells
>> either 15x1 (Singer) or 130/705H.
>>
>> After researching on the net I see a lot claim 15x1 and
130/705H are
>> "interchangeable," but I also saw posts claiming that 15x1 is
actually
>> somewhat smaller than 130/705H. So the questions go: what are the
>> differences between the two systems, if any? Of those two,
which one
>> corresponds to my Pfaff's 130R?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> - Cesar
Emily
use Singer needles in the Pfaff machines. I can use the Pfaff, Schmetz or
Klasse brands in the Pfaffs but only Singer needles in the Singer for the
best stitching possible. In the Pfaff sergers, only Pfaff needles.
Emily
Ron Anderson
needles when they bought them, and now the Husqvara owns them likely Schmetz
but could also be a Japanese like Organ.
--
Ron Anderson
A1 Sewing Machine
PO Box 60
Sand Lake, NY 12153
518-469-5133
http://www.a1sewingmachine.com
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Emily
bought at the Pfaff dealers, both in Houston and Los Angeles, that are
labeled Pfaff? I have 2 different types of pkgs., one that contains only
one twin needle like the Schmetz brand and others that have both
universal(cat. #2000) of 2-11/80s, 1-14/90 & 1-16/100, and one stretch
needle(cat # 2015) size-11/80. I was intrigued by your answer because the
regular needles cost more than the Schmetz or Klasse(apostrophe over the
last e).
Emily.
Arri London
Schmetz make the needles for Pfaff:
http://www.pfaff-industrial.de/com/news/dailypress/000519.html
We've always used Schmetz needles in our Pfaff overlocker. Works
perfectly well.
Emily
Some of the ones I have were bought before 2000, I'm sure. DS bought some
at the dealer when he took one of the machines in for the customary
preventative maintenance, he thought they were a better brand than the
Schmetz. Then he bought more later, although they were more expensive than
the Schmetz.. I've told him not to buy them again. I use the coupons from
TSWLTH to buy Schmetz.
Emily
Kate Dicey
> Guess what. Pfaff does not make needles. Used mostly Schmetz, then Singer
> needles when they bought them, and now the Husqvara owns them likely Schmetz
> but could also be a Japanese like Organ.
>
>
I use Rhein or Schmetz in all my machines, and they work well. Rein
make Benina's needles, and, I think, Elna. Another make I use quite a
bit are Klasse. I think they are all made in Germany. I don't much
like Organ: they break more easily. Scmetz and Rhein I can get easily
in packs of 100, and this is how I usually buy Universal 70's, 80's and
90's, as I use them in both the standard sewing machines and the sergers.
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Cynthia Spilsted
machines and industrial machines. I have also used a brand called Lamertz
with good success and to a lesser extent, Singer needles - though they are
not quite as good as the Schmetz, I do like their colour coding for those
late nights!
I do not particularly like Organ brand and I steer clear of the cheap
needles as they are just that: cheap.
Cynthia
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machines and industrial machines. I have also used a brand called
Lamertz with good success and to a lesser extent, Singer needles -
though they are not quite as good as the Schmetz, I do like their colour
coding for those late nights!
I do not particularly like Organ brand and I steer clear of the cheap
needles as they are just that: cheap.
Cynthia
I have had good use out of the organ brand needles, which I use in my
serger. I do, however, change them frequently (as recommended) in order
to obtain better stitch quality.
Cea
Emily
There were Klasse needles and scissors[a pair of 3 and 5 inch in each] in
the pkgs of Madeira thread, a gift when DS bought the two Koala cabinets
for me. The story of Klasse says "125 years of German experience". I like
using the needles as much as Schmetz and the ones labeled Pfaff, which are
the only ones I've used in the Pfaff 4872 serger. In the little serger,
I've only used Schmetz. I have always used only Singer needles in the 503,
it is a dear possession and I'd like to keep it in the 'like-new' condition
it is now. I love the Klasse scissors.
Emily.
Arri London
YW. Your earlier needles may well have been made by Schmetz as well.
It's common enough for a company to make products for another company
and sell them under the buyer's name.