Wall Hangings
Carolyn Williams
them and can only find a few mixed in with full size quilts. I don't
mean mini-quilts but wall hangings about 36 in. square or so. If you
have any suggestons I would really appreciate it. I'm not the creative
type but can follow a pattern with little problem. Thanks. Carolyn
Mesue6758
My favorite book is called "Little Quilts All Through the House". It's ONLY
wall hangings, using mostly traditional patterns - Log Cabin, SBS, etc. - but
there are also some patterns for some non-traditional quilts. The authors are:
Alice Berg, Mary Ellen Von Holt and Sylvia Johnson, and it is/was published by
That Patchwork Place. You can reach the webpage at: http://patchwork.com/. It's
been around for a while, but they may still be publishing it.
Good luck!
Sue in Burbank
Bill Edwards
Imapearl
Pearl
Mesue6758 wrote in message <19990831185256...@ngol03.aol.com>...
snib...@rochester.rr.com
wallhangings.
Take a look at my paintings, and even the paper sculptures and see if you
would like me to create a pattern from one of them for you. If you would
like that, please tell me what else besides the full-size pattern I should
include*
http://mkcolling.com/port1.html
*- e.g. a color chart, or a small version of the pattern for reference or a
small color print of the art work for reference, or maybe put a border
around the art work... what kind of paper you would like it printed on. I
can print in sections up to 24" wide. After that, the designs have to be
taped together.
Quilting and sewing are beyond me, so all the beautiful work I see hanging
on walls and spread on beds are miraculous to me. However, the paintings are
just the right size for walls (!) 24x39" and can be resized.
Best regards,
Mary Kay Colling
sarah curry
>
> Take a look at some of my wife's wall hangings at
>
> http://www.quiltersline.com/Patterns.html
>
> Bill
>
advertising ... but does "YOUR wife" have a NAME, or is she just a
possession?
Care to come on in and have a chat with us, sometime (we'll tell you
about ourselves (as if we already hadn't), if you'll tell us about
yourselves) you and whatever-her-name-might-be?
You can bet that we won't be trying to sell anything -- just interested
in other people. How about you?
Sarah in Las Cruces, NM (who's not gonna go look at a Wuh- that's
nothing more than thinly-veiled advertising)
Dragonfly
Edwards. Page was a bunch of patterns for sale, in an online shop
(extension of a real store in Ontario, Canada). Definitely advertising....
--
Dragonfly
(formerly Pam (mahubbard))
(remove "nospam." to email)
sarah curry <scu...@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:37CF65...@zianet.com...
Butterfly
Would you please look at my WUH.....it's up on my Website and I am NOT
seellllliiinnnggggg it.....cause I already done did gived it 'way and it's on a
classssssrrrrooommmm bulleetintinnee board een 'noter state. Anmd now I'se gotta
asketetded her to take a better pitcher of it so all ob it kin beee seened by all
of you'ze. But if'n you'dded all take a peekee ad it;
<htp://home.att.net/~surfer-joe>
Kin you'ze tell we'ze still alernnin hows ta doooddde dis?
Love
Butterfly ( don you'ze all go asaying dat I wuvved Engeleeish in skul neither no
how anyway)
Ellison
Dear Miz Who'zit,
you dropped a "t" from your thang:
http://home.att.net/~surfer-joe
Ragmop, off to look aroun'
Butterfly wrote in message <37D02F71...@antispam.worldnet.att.net>...
Bill Edwards
Nancy has been quilting for the entire 26 years we have been married. We have four
daughters and 6 grandchildren.
She teaches classes in the quilt shop downtown. (Note: We live in a small village
called Markdale. Population 1400.)
Everyone who takes any of her classes says that she is one of the best teachers
they have ever had and commend her on her creativity. She is continually dreaming
up new ideas and creating beautiful original quilted wallhangings and quilts. I
think and many others in the area think she is a very talented individual.
It was the quilt store owner, the customers at the store and myself who finally
convinced Nancy to turn her class lessons into commercial patterns. I have been
bugging her for years to do this. (I was hoping to recoup some of the money spend
on fabric)
Two years ago the store owner wanted to set up a web site so I agreed to do the web
site for the store if I could put some of Nancy's patterns on the site. That is how
the patterns got on the web.
Nancy rarely uses the computer, she would rather be sewing. I scan this usergroup
and if I see a post dealing with something I think might be related to something
Nancy has been doing I post a reply and tell the person to look at the site. I am
extremely proud of Nancy and think everyone should look at her work. Obviously I am
biased, but that is how I feel.
I only post responses to people looking for specific types of patterns. For
example, if someone is looking for a butterfly pattern I would tell them to go to
the site. I don't really understand how this is any different than telling someone
to go to page three in the Quilters Keepsake catalogue. It seems rather strange to
me that just because I am married to Nancy I can't recommend her patterns to
someone.
If there is a difference, please explain to me.
As for the post related to this strand. The person asked where she could find some
wallhanging patterns. I recommended my wife's patterns. I really don't see the
problem. If I had said go look at the Keepsake catalogue would that have been okay?
Please give me some guidance here. If I have crossed the line, sorry. I will not
post to this group any more.
Bill Edwards
sarah curry
>
> Ms Sairey, Ms Sairey,
> Would you please look at my WUH.....it's up on my Website and I am NOT
> seellllliiinnnggggg it.....cause I already done did gived it 'way and it's on a
> classssssrrrrooommmm bulleetintinnee board een 'noter state. Anmd now I'se gotta
> asketetded her to take a better pitcher of it so all ob it kin beee seened by all
> of you'ze. But if'n you'dded all take a peekee ad it;
> <htp://home.att.net/~surfer-joe>
> Kin you'ze tell we'ze still alernnin hows ta doooddde dis?
> Love
> Butterfly ( don you'ze all go asaying dat I wuvved Engeleeish in skul neither no
> how anyway)
But, Butterfly, I TRIED (which doesn't always mean a heck of a lot,
given my computer-orangutan-ness, I'll grant) -- and all I GOT was Lucy
(including on the one you sent me earlier -- got there this time thanks
to Ms. GuruMop) ... and lots of "in progress" and "we're workin' on it"
things ... WAAAAAHHHHHHHH!
Luffings,
Sairey
sarah curry
I FOUND it, Butterfly, and thanks, Deb! Delightful!
Grins,
Sairey
Wanda bikecats
Your posts are perfectly fine with me. I've always seen them as intending
to be helpful, and it's nice when a person is proud of his/her spouse.
Best,
Wanda bikecats
Bill Edwards <bill...@bmts.com> wrote in article
<37D1D230...@bmts.com>...
> I am here and will tell you about my wife Nancy and myself.
> Nancy has been quilting for the entire 26 years we have been married. We
have four
> daughters and 6 grandchildren.
snipped........
sarah curry
>
> I am here and will tell you about my wife Nancy and myself.
> Nancy has been quilting for the entire 26 years we have been married. We have four
> daughters and 6 grandchildren.
(posted both publicly and to Bill) I've been by far the most vocal
critic, Bill, as you've no doubt noticed, so I think it's up to me to
respond. Thanks a bunch for the information that makes both you and
Nancy a whole lot more "real", at least to me.
As you already know, we're a group that's ... well ... not entirely
devoted to quilting, although that's what brought us all together here.
I can't think of anything I like to see much more than a happy couple
-- and a husband who's just really delighted with what his wife does,
and her talents. It is clear that you are very much what I call a
"Keeper," too. Congratulations to the both of you -- Nancy for having
the talent (for both teaching and designing), and to you, for having had
the simple sense to recognize the talent, and help develop it, without
being threatened.
I don't have a problem in the world with commercial
quilters/designers/whatever posting here, AND putting the link to their
websites at the bottom of the post, as part of their signature-lines.
Several of the regular posters are "pros," and I applaud them. I think
we all do.
The problem I have with your posts is pretty simple. You ONLY post
when someone is looking for a pattern (and you folks sell patterns) --
and you ONLY point to your particular website. It feels, to me, like
"Looking for a pattern? Come BUY one of ours".
This, to me, IS different from your (or anyone's, who's not CONNECTED
to the seller) pointing to the 5th page of the Keepsake (or any)
catalog. Those on this newsgroup very OFTEN point out shops, websites,
books, and products (including patterns) we like. But not a single one
of us stands to make any money from pointing to a shop, a website, a
book, or a product. Often, we put something at the bottom like, "Not
affiliated, just a satisfied customer, yadda yadda yadda". There IS a
difference, to me.
You haven't done that. Every single post I have seen has pointed
directly to one commercial site where YOU (I use that term collectively
-- the Edwards family) might make some money, if someone buys a
pattern. Never ONCE have I seen a post which recommends anyone else's
work, whether it be a hand-dyeing person, a custom quilter, or a
designer who does work somewhat different from Nancy's but might fit the
bill for THAT question. Instead, every "looking for a pattern" question
post yields a "go to this site, where Nancy's patterns are for sale".
Just seems to me that you don't really give much of a flip about this
newsgroup and the people on it. You've never happy-danced with a single
one of us. You've never wept with a single one of us. You've never
even posted anything close to "I'm new here, and I'm just so damn PROUD
of Nancy I'll simply BUST if I don't TELL the whole quilting world as I
know it ... she just created the most drop-dead-gorgeous wallhanging on
the planet, I'm here to testify, and here is a picture of it, on our
PRIVATE website (or Magic Mike's)." (and then waited for us to go there,
and drool, and probably beg for the patterns, which can be dealt
privately, or THEN you can point them to the commercial site.)
The already-pros who have posted to this newsgroup amost always ASK
first, and their posts have little or nothing to do with the sale of
their products or services (You BET their pages are highlighted at the
bottom!). Those of us who've turned pro have invitably been reluctant
to say so, "out loud" (and you can BET we've been EXCITED to tout their
products or services, right here! But "we" aren't making any money (and
come to think of it', we've probably SPENT money, first) when we tout
that product or service (but it isn't our own)).
It's important to note that I received a private e-mail this morning,
after my admittedly snarky post, which told me that your wife's name is
Nancy, and that person said she was not offended by your posts ...
seemed to her that you were just proud of your wife. I would agree, if
there had been a single post which was either something "real" about you
and what I suspect is this delightful family of yours (but without the
link to the commercial site) or a single post which pointed to anywhere
else.
I didn't have a super spouse who was pleased, pleased with what I did.
Nancy is one whale of a lucky woman -- and I suspect you're mighty
lucky, too. And believe me, I really DO understand the concept of
"supporting the sewing/quilting habit" (and I say that with a big
smile). I'd really LIKE to see you stay here, Bill, and brag and brag
and brag, while Nancy sews to her heart's content. I'd like to learn
some more about those 4 daughters, and those grandkids. Put pictures
up, when there's a new one (but on your own site -- it's clear you know
how to do that ... we'll GET to the commercial place, if we want to
:-) ). I'd like to have you SNARL when the car breaks down. Say
something like "I can't answer that technical design/quilting question,
but NANCY-the-designer/teacher dang sure can, and here's what she says,
hope this helps ..." (as if you're reading ALL the posts, not just the
ones which mention patterns for sale).
So, that's where I'm coming from, and where I'm headed.
To me, there's a big difference between "just a satisfied customer" and
"go see -- and buy -- MY stuff". There's a BIG difference, to me,
between "Bill and Nancy and four daughters and grandkids, and I just
ADORE my talented wife, and dang, it's rotten, [fill in the blank for
the name on the ng] that you've had such a rough time; and [fill in
another blank for a name on the ng], I WENT and SAW your new quilt, and
it's just ALMOST as good as Nancy's" and "just surfing through, hoping
to make some money, noted a request for patterns, and woo-hoo, have we
got patterns for SALE, which 'my wife' designed".
Hope this makes some sense. I've asked before, and I'm asking again,
although "invitations" seem a bit silly. Come join us. REALLY join us,
I mean. DO "come on in and set a spell" with us. We have a great deal
of fun ... and funny thing ... there just might be a pattern or two or
more change hands, as we talk.
Happy Trails, and looking forward to hearing more from you, for real,
ConnieD
to acme patterns catalogue page whatever then it's just the same as looking
anywhere else and I bet that you have had loads of visitors as well!!! Keep
going Nancy, nice to see designers and their work. Regards, ConnieD.
Bill Edwards
This is quickly turning into a debate. That's okay with me, I like a good discussion. I
will rebut your statements within your message below.
sarah curry wrote:
> (posted both publicly and to Bill) I've been by far the most vocal
> critic, Bill, as you've no doubt noticed, so I think it's up to me to
> respond. Thanks a bunch for the information that makes both you and
> Nancy a whole lot more "real", at least to me.
> As you already know, we're a group that's ... well ... not entirely
> devoted to quilting, although that's what brought us all together here.
>
I thought the purpose of this group was to discuss quilting and to disseminate
information related to quilting. I have found lately that the topics in the group, as far
as I am concerned, are diverging much too far from this intent. Lately there have been
discussions on grammar, teachers, hurricanes, recipes, breast feeding and hurricanes. Are
there not groups where these types of discussions would be more appropriate? I'll
probably get flamed for this comment but this is how I feel.
> I can't think of anything I like to see much more than a happy couple
> -- and a husband who's just really delighted with what his wife does,
> and her talents. It is clear that you are very much what I call a
> "Keeper," too. Congratulations to the both of you -- Nancy for having
> the talent (for both teaching and designing), and to you, for having had
> the simple sense to recognize the talent, and help develop it, without
> being threatened.
> I don't have a problem in the world with commercial
> quilters/designers/whatever posting here, AND putting the link to their
> websites at the bottom of the post, as part of their signature-lines.
> Several of the regular posters are "pros," and I applaud them. I think
> we all do.
> The problem I have with your posts is pretty simple. You ONLY post
> when someone is looking for a pattern (and you folks sell patterns) --
> and you ONLY point to your particular website. It feels, to me, like
> "Looking for a pattern? Come BUY one of ours".
>
As you can see from my previous comment, I think people should stay on topic. The intent
of my posts is to inform people of Nancy's patterns in the hopes it may be of some help
to them. People have free will whether they wish to purchase or not. If they can get some
ideas from Nancy's patterns, that's fine. I know that quilters often get some of their
best ideas from observing other people's work and then modifying or taking one little
aspect from the creation and incorporating it into their own creations. I assume this
group is to share ideas, that is my intent when I post to someone about the web site.
>
> This, to me, IS different from your (or anyone's, who's not CONNECTED
> to the seller) pointing to the 5th page of the Keepsake (or any)
> catalog. Those on this newsgroup very OFTEN point out shops, websites,
> books, and products (including patterns) we like.
> But not a single one of us stands to make any money from pointing to a shop, a website,
> a
> book, or a product.
This seems to be a rather large assumption. I don't see how you could know this as fact.
> Often, we put something at the bottom like, "Not
> affiliated, just a satisfied customer, yadda yadda yadda". There IS a
> difference, to me.
So what you are saying is that because I am married to Nancy I cannot recommend her
patterns. That seems rather unfair to me.
> You haven't done that. Every single post I have seen has pointed
> directly to one commercial site where YOU (I use that term collectively
> -- the Edwards family) might make some money, if someone buys a
> pattern.
> Never ONCE have I seen a post which recommends anyone else's
> work, whether it be a hand-dyeing person, a custom quilter, or a
> designer who does work somewhat different from Nancy's but might fit the
> bill for THAT question. Instead, every "looking for a pattern" question
> post yields a "go to this site, where Nancy's patterns are for sale".
>
I am sorry but I don't know a lot of other quilters. I do look at a lot of quilt sites
and appreciate the work of others. Some of the quilts and wall hangings are beautiful. I
quite often get Nancy down here by the computer to look at other peoples work. (That's if
I can get her out of her sewing room.)
>
> Just seems to me that you don't really give much of a flip about this
> newsgroup and the people on it. You've never happy-danced with a single
> one of us. You've never wept with a single one of us.
You are right and wrong here. I do care about people BUT I am not one to discuss my
personal feeling with strangers. I do not believe the web is the place to do things like
that. As I said before this group should be for quilting related topics NOT to discuss my
daughter's pregnancy or how happy or depressed I feel today. That is not my style and I
am too old to change now. So you are right .. I will not dance with you or weep with you.
I may empathise with you BUT you will never know because I would never tell anyone except
my loving wife how I feel. (Old fashioned, yes, but that's me and I am happy with it.)
> You've never even posted anything close to "I'm new here, and I'm just so damn PROUD
> of Nancy I'll simply BUST if I don't TELL the whole quilting world as I
> know it ... she just created the most drop-dead-gorgeous wallhanging on
> the planet, I'm here to testify, and here is a picture of it, on our
> PRIVATE website (or Magic Mike's)." (and then waited for us to go there,
> and drool, and probably beg for the patterns, which can be dealt
> privately, or THEN you can point them to the commercial site.)
>
It seems rather redundant to produce another site when I already have a perfectly good
site that displays Nancy's work. I really hate busy work and don't want to waste the time
doing something a second time that is already done.
> The already-pros who have posted to this newsgroup amost always ASK
> first, and their posts have little or nothing to do with the sale of
> their products or services (You BET their pages are highlighted at the
> bottom!). Those of us who've turned pro have invitably been reluctant
> to say so, "out loud" (and you can BET we've been EXCITED to tout their
> products or services, right here! But "we" aren't making any money (and
> come to think of it', we've probably SPENT money, first) when we tout
> that product or service (but it isn't our own)).
>
I don't see the difference between putting the link to a commercial site at the bottom of
the message and putting it in the text of the message. Maybe in the text I should say"
Warning!! This is a commercial site. Go there at your own risk."
>
> It's important to note that I received a private e-mail this morning,
> after my admittedly snarky post, which told me that your wife's name is
> Nancy, and that person said she was not offended by your posts ...
> seemed to her that you were just proud of your wife. I would agree, if
> there had been a single post which was either something "real" about you
> and what I suspect is this delightful family of yours (but without the
> link to the commercial site) or a single post which pointed to anywhere
> else.
>
>
> I didn't have a super spouse who was pleased, pleased with what I did.
> Nancy is one whale of a lucky woman -- and I suspect you're mighty
> lucky, too. And believe me, I really DO understand the concept of
> "supporting the sewing/quilting habit" (and I say that with a big
> smile). I'd really LIKE to see you stay here, Bill, and brag and brag
> and brag, while Nancy sews to her heart's content. I'd like to learn
> some more about those 4 daughters, and those grandkids. Put pictures
> up, when there's a new one (but on your own site -- it's clear you know
> how to do that ... we'll GET to the commercial place, if we want to
> :-) ).I'd like to have you SNARL when the car breaks down.
> Say something like "I can't answer that technical design/quilting question,
> but NANCY-the-designer/teacher dang sure can, and here's what she says,
> hope this helps ..."
If I see a question I think Nancy can answer I often get her to tell me what to say to
help.
> (as if you're reading ALL the posts, not just the ones which mention patterns for
> sale).
>
No I don't read all the posts, only the ones I think are appropriate to quilting and the
ones I think Nancy might be interested in.
>
> So, that's where I'm coming from, and where I'm headed.
>
> To me, there's a big difference between "just a satisfied customer" and
> "go see -- and buy -- MY stuff". There's a BIG difference, to me,
> between "Bill and Nancy and four daughters and grandkids, and I just
> ADORE my talented wife, and dang, it's rotten, [fill in the blank for
> the name on the ng] that you've had such a rough time; and [fill in
> another blank for a name on the ng], I WENT and SAW your new quilt, and
> it's just ALMOST as good as Nancy's" and
> "just surfing through, hoping to make some money, noted a request for patterns, and
> woo-hoo, have we got patterns for SALE, which 'my wife' designed".
Yes I am hoping to make some money. I see no crime in that. If a person can have a hobby
and make some money as well, what is the problem. My own hobby is computers and I do a
lot of selling, fixing and repairing. ( I also have a real job that pays the bills) I
really enjoy what I am doing and at the same time make some money. Where is the problem?
Is it because I enjoy what I do or is it because I happen to make some money while I am
enjoying myself? The money I make from computers allows me to buy new toys for my
computer and you know men enjoy toys.
Nancy really enjoys the quilting and creating. She has been doing it for more than 26
years. I couldn't fathom the amount of money spent on quilt supplies. I don't really care
as long as she is happy. I figured if it worked for my hobby in computers maybe we could
recoup some of the money Nancy spends on quilting. Note: We are not even remotely close
to that yet but I am still hoping. Nancy used to give all her instructions and and
patterns away for nothing until we finally convinced her we might be able to sell them.
Her attitude is that she just likes to see people enjoy her creations and if she can
teach other people how to do it , so much the better. She really doesn't care about the
money. I am the one who is more money oriented. To illustrate the point, you may be
interested to know Nancy works at the quilt store 2 or three days a week for no salary.
She takes her pay in fabric. In fact she tells me she would work for nothing, she says
she just enjoys the people and gets a real charge out of helping people create quilts and
wall hangings.
>
> Hope this makes some sense. I've asked before, and I'm asking again,
> although "invitations" seem a bit silly. Come join us. REALLY join us,
> I mean. DO "come on in and set a spell" with us.
If I can help with a quilting topic you may see me but if it is to discuss personal
issues it is highly unlikely you will hear from me. In fact some of the information I
have given in this rebuttal is more than I would usually tell a stranger.
> We have a great deal
> of fun ... and funny thing ... there just might be a pattern or two or
> more change hands, as we talk.
>
> Happy Trails, and looking forward to hearing more from you, for real,
> Sarah in Las Cruces, NM
Sincerely,
Bill Edwards
http://www.quiltersline.com/Patterns.html
Warning this is a commercial site. Enter at your own risk.
Donovan
looking at your site.
Gen
meeroh
>I thought the purpose of this group was to discuss quilting and to disseminate
>information related to quilting. I have found lately that the topics in
the group, as far
>as I am concerned, are diverging much too far from this intent. Lately
there have been
>discussions on grammar, teachers, hurricanes, recipes, breast feeding and
hurricanes. Are
>there not groups where these types of discussions would be more
appropriate? I'll
>probably get flamed for this comment but this is how I feel.
I am new here, so I am bound to get some things wrong, but the way that I
see this is that RCTQ is a community of quilters, unlike many other
newsgroups which are places to discuss a specific topic. People in the
RCTQ community don't mind off-topic posts, whereas most other newsgroups
object to excessive off-topic postings. Part of the RCTQ off-topic
postings are about people's personal lives, and that type of off-topic
postings is very much encouraged, which is very much unlike many other
newsgroups.
The way that you post to RCTQ is not like the way that other people like
to post, and not what other people like to see. It doesn't fit with how
the RCTQ community works. This annoys some of them. I don't blame them --
I would find it irritating if one person in a group I belonged to insisted
on behaving in a manner which clearly shows he does not get how the group
functions.
I don't think you should try to explain to RCTQers why the way that their
community works is wrong. It's their community, and you are the outsider.
I think you should just accept the fact that they are the way that they
are, and they should accept you are not, and everybody should merrily get
on with their lives. If you don't like off-topic postings, ignore them. If
they don't like your occasional shameless plugs, they can ignore them.
For what it's worth, _I_ like they way that RCTQ is. These people are
building friendships around a common interest, and that's absolutely
wonderful.
meeroh
--
mee...@mit.edu | <http://meeroh.mit.edu/meeroh/> | MIT I/S Mac developer
"In the present circumstances, the only profession I would choose would be one
where earning a living has nothing to do with the search for knowledge"
-- Albert Einstein, 1955
Theresa and/or Tim in Washington
me, this is a good thing. I work very strange hours, and it would be
difficult for me to join a quilting guild. This is where I go for "my
guild". I don't think I would enjoy it nearly as much if all we talked
about was quilting.
It is the other messages that make people come alive in my mind. They
become very real, and although I have never met Sarah, Rowena, Chicken Lady,
the Gang in San Francisco or many others, but I feel like I 'know' them (Big
Bear Lady, I have had the pleasure of meeting).
Bill, you mention that your wife knows some answers to questions, and you
talk to her about it. Maybe you could post some of those answers (like
techniques for appliqué - what works, what to stay away from). This way,
you would become part of the community. I understand that it is difficult
for some people to talk about their personal lives, and that is fine.
There are other ways to participate. If you wife teaches, I am sure she
would have some valuable ideas to contribute. If these were included, along
with the reference to the patterns, I think folks would be happy to hear
from you.
I don't 'belong' to other news groups, but in this one we operate more like
an old fashion quilting bee. We talk, ask questions, give advice, laugh,
cry, cuss, sing and quilt. We like it this way. And for those of us who
don't, we skip the part that we don't want to read (or don't have time to
read).
Please don't try to change the group. Most of us like it just the way it
is. We would like to welcome you with open arms. Please don't be a
salesmen who walks into the quilting bee and says, do you want to buy
something. Come in, tell us what your wife thinks and recommends, or knows
is a bad thing. Then mention that she has some patterns that folks might
like.
OK off my soap box
Theresa in Washington
Bill Edwards wrote in message <37D294A1...@bmts.com>...
**most everything snipped**
>Hello Sarah,
>
>This is quickly turning into a debate. That's okay with me, I like a good
discussion. I will rebut your statements within your message below.
>
NoM...@spam.com
unstitcher
I too am a Newbie to this NG. I lurked for quite a while
before saying anything. Lurking allowed me to get the feel
of the people within this community. I would not have
delurked if the group did not feel right.
I know you have heard it before and now you will hear it
again. This is a group of people drawn together by the love
of Quilting. This group is like a very large family, a
family that talks to each other, laughs with each other,
cries with each other. We worry, we cheer, we coax, we care,
we give advice,we ask questions, we show our
accomplishments to each other.
For some of us, this is Our Guild, Our Quilting Bee. Do not
try to change the way we are, we are very happy with us.
Those of us that have made a business of quilting do not
push their business onto the rest of the group. If there is
a sale to be made, so be it. It will happen when it happens.
Please take the time to get to know us, join in the
conversations, have your wonderful Nancy join us. We really
don't bite, or at least not very hard.
Hope to see you aroung the NG.
Unstitcher
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Suzie or Paul Beckwith
wrote:
>I thought the purpose of this group was to discuss quilting and to disseminate
>information related to quilting. I have found lately that the topics in the group, as far
>as I am concerned, are diverging much too far from this intent. Lately there have been
>discussions on grammar, teachers, hurricanes, recipes, breast feeding and hurricanes. Are
>there not groups where these types of discussions would be more appropriate? I'll
>probably get flamed for this comment but this is how I feel.
Excuse me, but I thought that when us quilters got around a quilting
frame and started quilting, we talked about all sorts of everything?
Things that mean a lot to us and to each other - concern for our
friends well-being, whether from ill-health or from the terrible
damage from a hurricane, sharing our latest recipes that we'd just
invented by mistake (ever tried my cooking? no? well you ain't gonna
get the chance now...) We are talking amongst friends as friends, 'cos
thats what friends do.
We are all great friends on this newsgroup, and newcomers are more
than welcome to pull up a chair to this big ol' cyberframe on the web
and be included in amongst us all, warts and all, no judgment (who
cares that I can't spell proper and haven't a clue sometimes about
grammer?) but there are some rules and limits that we all abide by, in
order to make the group work well.
Heck, because of the welcome my hubby and I received on this
newsgroup, we are plundering our savings and the credit card and
travelling halfway around the world to meet some of them and stay with
them - they are welcoming us into their homes and lives for a while.
They don't know us from Adam and Eve, but we have developed a lovely
friendship which I hope and pray will last us many years (or at least
until we fly home from Chicago...) - if we had only talked quilting on
this newsgroup Paul and I would never have gotten the opportunity to
visit with three of the friendliest people I have had the chance to
meet.
Just my tuppence worth (I am English after all...)
Suzie B
--
Southend, UK
"You can always tell a quilter by the thread she wears..."
Remove "nospam" to reply
Kathy Morris
this. But apparently I'm gonna anyway.
It surprised me how much it bothered me that Bill said he wouldn't happy dance
with us, or cry with us, or celebrate with us. I look at this newsgroup as a
circle of friends and it offends me that someone would come in and try and
change the way things work here. I know it won't work, but I guess I didn't
realize just how much this group has come to mean to me. And no, I'm not a
recluse with no friends outside of the computer. But the people here are my
friends, too, and I wouldn't change anything.
I'm done now!
+Kathy Morris
Canton, Georgia
kmo...@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~kmorris
Imapearl
I recently watched another NG I subscribe to virtually destroyed by a
posting such as the one Bill made. Someone who did not really want to join
in decided that the NG was not spending enough time on topic and began a
huge war. It was awful to see friendships fall apart and those that had the
most to contribute, leave.
I really do not want that to happen here. This is where my quilting friends
are, and I hope to make many more. But that is impossible if we cannot
discuss anything but quilting techniques. Yes, this NG does focus on
quilting. I have learned so much! But it is also a very friendly place.
Pearl
Kathy Morris wrote in message <37d2fa37....@news.prestige.net>...
Ginger
First off, please excuse my lack of proper paragraphs and such, as my
fingers fly. Thoughts and words bouncing around do not lend themselves
to orderly progression to the keyboard.
Bill, I first found this group in Feb this year. I had just had very
major surgery and was pretty much housebound. This group of people have
no age/wage/physical boundaries. We are all over the planet. We support
each other in the way that is rarely seen these days. When I read your
posts, the only time they show up it is a brief "My wife has patterns of
____ at our website." It is just too commercial for me.If there is a
question or technique being addressed, please share a little with us, or
have your wife share a little with us. And gently include that examples
of said topic are part of her pattern. Everyone here has a life outside
of this newsgroup. And life consists of many things, including
illnesses, good times, not-so-good times, moves, schooling, etc. We
learn from each other and help each other. There are many things I have
shared with ng members that are private emails, and vice versa. If a
friend of mine always said the same thing, I would grow tired of that
and change the situation. [Come to think of it, I did do that with a
very good friend of mine, and it was the best thing for me.] Anyways, we
always value what others have to say. If I am not interested in a
thread, I skip over it. Oft times I will have something to say that is
not quilt related, and will say it to the group, or may email privately
to someone. We have a lot of things going on here. People should be
allowed to post on several different things. That doesn't mean you have
to read them if you do not want to. It doesn't mean you have to try to
regulate the group. It just means you have to be a little more flexible.
We ask that you respect all the members, as we respect you and each
other. It would be wonderful for your wife to see and read this ng. She
would get to see what other quilters are doing, and she would feel part
of the international quilting community. Please do not say "she doesn't
have the time. I pick things out for her to read". It then sounds like
you censor. And that isn't good.
Ginger
whew! diarrhea of the keyboard, again
"It is necessary to any originality to have the courage to be an
amateur." Wallace Stevens
Linda Campbell
If there are 15 gazillion of these groups out there, why doesn't Bill just find
one that sits within his boundaries. Isn't it a little bit imperious to demand
we change?
Since he never contributes anyway - except to push a sale - is he annoyed that
we don't give him enough chances to push a sale? And if his only purpose on
here is to push a sale, why would you start by annoying half the group?
Since all the prospective customers are online, and there are 20 zillion places
to buy quilting patterns online, it seems to me the only thing you have to sell
is service - which includes friendliness. I would never spend money with
someone this rude.
Linda in SF
VGoghLovr
don't like don't read. Simple solution.
I really detest the form of censorship. However I do know that as adults we do
need to be careful about what children have access to. (I know get to the point
Grace) It is such a shame that you feel you need to censor our little ole
newsgroup for your wife. But very clever to say it is because she is busy. We
all have busy lives however we are adult and grownup enough (ok for the most
part LOL) to be able to read the subject line and decide if we want to read the
postings. Just wondering why your wife can't do that but that is beside the
point. Anyway long story short--you don't need to happy dance with us, you
don't need to share your triumphs and sorrows with us, you dont need to
celebrate with us, you don't need to tell us about the latest sewing thing you
have for sew, basically you don't need to share yourself with us!
(just my opinion)
Grace
Wondering if Bill is going to censor his post for the wife?
Judith L. Kuehn
have said it nicer myself. It's all about choices. Judy in Linden, MI
Krysia Thompson
<snipped Suzie here>
>We are all great friends on this newsgroup, and newcomers are more
>than welcome to pull up a chair to this big ol' cyberframe on the web
>and be included in amongst us all, warts and all, no judgment (who
>cares that I can't spell proper and haven't a clue sometimes about
>grammer?) but there are some rules and limits that we all abide by, in
>order to make the group work well.
>
>Heck, because of the welcome my hubby and I received on this
>newsgroup, we are plundering our savings and the credit card and
>travelling halfway around the world to meet some of them and stay with
>them - they are welcoming us into their homes and lives for a while.
>They don't know us from Adam and Eve, but we have developed a lovely
>friendship which I hope and pray will last us many years (or at least
>until we fly home from Chicago...) - if we had only talked quilting on
>this newsgroup Paul and I would never have gotten the opportunity to
>visit with three of the friendliest people I have had the chance to
>meet.
>
>Just my tuppence worth (I am English after all...)
>
>Suzie B
Bll,
I probably would not have:
- carried on with and almost finished my first ever quilt,
- made several new ones and have given them to friends and
family
- made _real_ friends
- laughed so much as I have in the last 9 months
if it wasn't for this newsgroup.
If you want a newsgroup that just talks about quilting - there
are various moderated newsgroups/mailing lists.
But please, don't try to change RCTQ. It is a force that no
newcomer can fight! Many voices here have said - "RCTQ is what it
is, we like it this way and we want it to stay this way". It is a
truly unique group, composed of many good people and I am proud
to be member of it.
Krysia
K.T. - starannie opakowana
ConnieD
etc. However I am dismayed that Bill and Nancy won't participate fully with
a group of "cyber friends". I didn't realize that they wanted us JUST for
their "business and our cash". Sorry to say Bill and Nancy, no money coming
across the waters from me! On this group we share all the trials and
tribulations of life in general, and that is a far better medication than
anything out of a medicine bottle. Perhaps you should go to a commercial
newsgroup to find your customers. ConnieD.
Marissa
why, but your posts irritate me. Probably it is what she
says, that you ONLY participate to send an addy for your
wife's products, which are on sale. I agree it has always
been in response to somebody's enquiry, as you say. But
there is a statement somewhere in the list that Carolyn
posts about this group not wanting commercial posts, it is
not just your messages that we get irritated about. I see
your point when you say that why shouldn't you be able to
tell us about her stuff just because you are married to her,
however.
About your comment on how we diverge, and your suggestion
that we participate in ng that discuss those subjects
specifically, I don't think it's a good option. So if I want
to talk about hurricanes I have to subscribe to a new
newsgroup that talks exclusively about that? And same for
each topic? No way....A newsgroup is what it's participants
make of it, and most of us usual posters/readers like it
just as it is. If someone wants to make a moderated group
where quilting is the only subject authorized, they are
welcome to start one.
I agree there's more OT here than quilting stuff, but that's
what keeps me coming back to read the messages.... there's
only so many times that you can read a message about how to
apply a binding, or people's preferences on batting. Unless
I am facing a problem at the moment, I am not too interested
in how to solve it... though I'll look it up in Dejanews if
I ever come across a problem that I remember was discussed
here. I often mark whole threads read, some of them OT
(birthday greetings, prayer/good thoughts requests, for
example, I already suggested that one message is fine, but
the replies I thought should be sent to the interested
party, not to the newstroup) and some of them very quilt
related as well.
Bill Edwards wrote:
> I thought the purpose of this group was to discuss quilting and to disseminate
> information related to quilting. I have found lately that the topics in the group, as far
> as I am concerned, are diverging much too far from this intent. Lately there have been
> discussions on grammar, teachers, hurricanes, recipes, breast feeding and hurricanes. Are
> there not groups where these types of discussions would be more appropriate? I'll
> probably get flamed for this comment but this is how I feel.
--
****************************************************
Marissa Vignali email: mg...@psu.edu
URL: http://www.bmb.psu.edu/597a/stdnts96/Vignali
****************************************************
Wanda bikecats
I find Bill's posts to the newsgroup to be entirely fine.
When I first started reading this group, someone asked some very basic
questions, and I wondered if this was really the right group for me. "Who
doesn't know that?" I thought about the questions asked. Amazingly,
someone patiently typed in the answers, and so did a few other people. I
don't remember the asker or the answerers.
Then, more complicated questions got asked - and answered, some with
factual replies, some with opinions. And on it went with simple and
complex questions all mixed together. I see the newsgroup readers as
people willing to help other quilters in any way that they can. Some
answer questions, some send fabric, some dance, some sing 'Happy Birthday.'
I think Bill's posts fit fine here because he sees a question he can
answer, and he answers it. I don't think he is trying in any way to change
the newsgroup; he is just doing his part of being a newsgroup reader.
When he says he posts only in response to specific questions, I don't take
that as an unwillingness on his part to participate in any way; I take that
as his not wanting to clog up the newsgroup with off-topic postings. And
that's what MOST readers do. When there is a Happy Dance posting, are
there hundreds and hundreds of replies? Nope, dozens only. When there is
a Prayers Needed posting, are there hundreds and hundreds of replies?
Nope, dozens only. When a very basic quiltmaking question is asked, are
there hundreds and hundreds of replies? Nope, dozens only.
When Bill directs readers to his wife's patterns, is he saying "Here, you
must buy this from me"? No, I think he's saying, "Take a look." And
that's what we do when we go to a commercial webpage. We take a look. The
vast majority of the time when we visit a page, we just look. We look, and
we say, "Hmmm, so that's how she did that" or "Ooooh, what a good design
for a such-and-such" or "I think I could do that." Sometimes we buy from a
commercial page, but mostly we just look.
It doesn't seem to me that Bill is pushing his wife's patterns on us. He
never mentions prices or even that it's a commercial site. I think he
thinks of it as his wife's personal on-line quilting gallery, and he's
proud to show us what she has made.
There really isn't any requirement that people engage in newsgroup
conversation or divulge personal information or that they post at all. Many
of us barely have time to read the posts, much less type lengthy replies to
many of them. We do what we can to the posts that touch us in some way,
and we go on.
(Try to imagine this newsgroup if everyone answered everything - we'd
never be able to slog through all the posts. People would be writing: My
server must be acting up; I got only 600 posts today, and I'm so glad!)
Let's please quit picking on Bill, lest we scare the lurkers from ever
posting. Thanks.
Below is Bill's post, so we can all see what he said. Perhaps readers
have inferred things that Bill didn't say.
Wanda bikecats
Virginia Hughes
the past I have thought that if his wife were as creative as yours, he'd
be doing EXACTLY the same thing. I'm not a designer, but a pattern
buyer, but when I put a lot of work into a project he bores everyone
bragging about it and keeps nagging that I should enter some quilt in a
fair or show. If I did, he'd be standing out in the aisle, shanghai-ing
folks to where mine was hanging. I've taken your posts in that spirit.
And while I do enjoy some of the OT threads, I sometimes wish there
were more solid quilt stuff and not so much idiosyncratic lingo, some of
which is pretty off-putting for us older folks.
Your loyalty is charming.
Virginia in Paradise
Barbara Watson
well because together they cleared up some confusion for me. I've
been deleting a lot due to time pressures. When I saw the whole
list of "To Bill" posts, it piqued my curiosity and I started
reading in the middle of the thread. I thought for sure Bill must
have gone off on some tirade about refusing to join in the fun of
the group. I even took time off from my oh-so-many pot holders
[see next post] to search back to try to find that post. I
couldn't. Now I realize I *did* read the post that Bill sent
originally and I took it in an entirely different manner from
most of you.
To my eyes, then and now rereading it, Bill's post is a response
to a request for information about his wife, his website, and his
reason for posting. It was pleasant, informative, and
non-offensive to me. I didn't see anywhere a "demand" to change
RCTQ. Is there still another message I'm missing?
I just read 155 messages about misuse of the apostrophe. Reading
one message from Bill occasionally doesn't bother me. Besides,
he's a man. <G> With some exceptions, I find they don't get drawn
into relationships (read happy dances and prayers of support) in
the same way as women do. Everyone participates in a different
manner and to a differing degree. With all the a**h*l*S (is that
subtle enough?) in the world, I have no problem with a nice man
like Bill belonging to our group.
Barb in WG
Dragonfly
If I were to direct someone to Nancy's patterns on that web site, there
would be no conflict of interest because I will not make one teensy cent
from any sales that might result....the same as Keepsake is not paying me to
say I like "xxx" project and Hancock's of Paducah isn't giving me a kickback
for folks I refer to their web site.
BUT -- every time Bill directs someone to his wife's patterns on the store
web site, he, through her, stands to make some money through the sale. This
is an obvious conflict of interest.
It also bothers me that he doesn't post except to recommend the seeker take
a look at his wife's patterns. It would be different if he participated a
little in a regular-type answer, and simply had the url in a signature line
(perhaps with the line "examples of this type of wall hanging at the web
site listed below" or something like that).
What sits so poorly among many here is the crass COMMERCIALISM of the posts
Bill usually makes. And, as someone has pointed out, the FAQ posted rules
for this newsgroup includes the rules "no advertising" and "no selling on
the newsgroup".
--
Dragonfly
(formerly Pam (mahubbard))
(remove "nospam." to email)
ConnieD <nom...@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:7qtbeb$3fn4l$1...@reader3.wxs.nl...
Loegerings
of what our family, kids and significant others do. Sometimes what we have to
say may not be what other people are interested in but that is all right. It
sounded like Bill was just doing a really big happy dance because he is proud
to have such a talented wife and there is nothing wrong with that. How many of
you wouldn't be faltered to death if your husband posted all those nice things
about you for every one to read and was so sure in your abilities that he would
tell anyone.
Liz in Fargo
unliste...@webtv.net
are a closed community that does not allow outsiders to participate
without a brutal period of unkind comments, flames, and/or being
ignored. you have demonstrated it once again in your unkind treatment
of bill. sarah speaks and the flames begin in mindless disregard of the
fact she is sometimes wrong and she has no right to speak for the entire
internet community. some of us just don't care if he is commercially
inclined- what is the harm? if it offends, use the delete key. i would
rather see his posts than many that the "chosen ones" come up with that
are totally off topic and just a tad too personal for public viewing.
yeck!
don't bother taking off on me- this address will disappear immediately
and the flames will bounce right back to you. btdt
lpjen0
evidence presents its self for that conclusion.
Join us with the new Quilting Corner UseNet group that will be moderated. It
will ONLY deal with quilting and nothing more. Problems and spitefulness and
petty jealousy can stay here. There won't be room for it on Quilting Corner.
news.sisqtel.net
the newsgroup should be. We can't do anything about that. I have an
attitude too. I know what I like to read. What I choose to ignore, I
ignore.
'bye, Bill.
--
Ruth in Happy Camp
Dragonfly <mahu...@nospam.msn.com> wrote in article
<ubb$hAJ##GA.92@cpmsnbbsa05>...
Ellison
Amen.
Thank you.
Ragmop/Sandy
Wanda bikecats wrote in message <01bef874$7f148aa0$d680b4ce@bikecats>...
Marissa
does not deserve much respect.... I cannot leave Sarah alone
here, I've been commenting about this for a while too. About
the "brutal period of unkind comments, flames, and/or being
ignored", are we being a little paranoid? Sounds like a
troll to me.... or someone very, very bitter....
unliste...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> where on earth do you people get the idea that you are FRIENDLY? you
> are a closed community that does not allow outsiders to participate
> without a brutal period of unkind comments, flames, and/or being
> ignored. you have demonstrated it once again in your unkind treatment
> of bill. sarah speaks and the flames begin in mindless disregard of the
> fact she is sometimes wrong and she has no right to speak for the entire
> internet community. some of us just don't care if he is commercially
> inclined- what is the harm? if it offends, use the delete key. i would
> rather see his posts than many that the "chosen ones" come up with that
> are totally off topic and just a tad too personal for public viewing.
> yeck!
>
> don't bother taking off on me- this address will disappear immediately
> and the flames will bounce right back to you. btdt
--
VGoghLovr
celebrated and not so good things are consoled and sympathized with the writer.
Amazing how the ORIGINAL post wasn't attacked. It is really beyond my realm of
comprehension how someone who doesn't have a backbone can come in and attacked
under an assumed name. As far as the "tad too personal for public viewing"
posts, I have yet to see one of these. (wondering what I am missing though LOL)
My advice is to grow up and develop a backbone and use your real screen name.
Grace
who proudly uses her real screen name on this bullentin board and who LOVES
this group.
Nurse Ratched
>does not deserve much respect.
I agree. If you aren't proud enough of your opinion to have your name
associated with it, maybe it's an opinion you should be ashamed of.
Nurse Ratched (remove "cuckoo" from address to reply)
http://homepages.msn.com/HobbyCt/jaypagona/WifeStuff.html
Do something nice for your family--execute a Living Will today! Go to
www.agingwithdignity.org to download the "Five Wishes" form.
VGoghLovr
offended. >>Lately there have been
> discussions on grammar, teachers, hurricanes, recipes, breast feeding and
my work situation on here. Thankfully, the people who read this newsgroup are a
heck of a lot more friendly, understanding, and interested in my life (as I am
in theirs). This newsgroup reminds me of a quilting circle. The women and men
who are involved in a circle don't just talk about quilts and how many stitches
to the inch and the best batting that is around. They talk about their lives
and learn from each other sharing in the joys and sorrows of everyday life. I
am not fortunate to belong to a real time circle so this is my circle. (too bad
I can't quilt and read and type at the same time) You however seem to think
that this is your personal selling place for your wife's business. Guess what?
Circles were NOT meant for selling but for the sharing of ideas and lives.
(ever read "how to make an all american quilt?) So in closing, I would say that
you are the one who is in the wrong here NOT us. Perhaps you need to find a
newsgroup that is solely for the purpose of hocking wares
Ellison
Y'all have a great trip, now, ya' hear?
And don't let the door hit you in the butt
on your way out.
As for those who dial up the 'net and CHOOSE
to read or participate in RCTQ, there are
very few rules. We keep making them up
as we go along. It's kind of a "community" effort,
doncha' know. Those who care to talk about
quilting, do. Those who care to talk about themselves,
do. And those who care to blast/flame/bitch, do.
And everyone gets to click on and off, anytime,
on RCTQ.
Take care. Write if you find work.
And, please, feel free to continue to advertise
your new home, here on RCTQ.
Ragmop/Sandy, in north Texas, USA
lpjen0 wrote in message <37D41FBB...@earthlink.net>...
>Right on Bets. This group is so closed it is incestuous. Friendly...no
>evidence presents its self for that conclusion.
>Join us with the new Quilting Corner UseNet group that will be moderated.
It
>will ONLY deal with quilting and nothing more. Problems and spitefulness
and
>petty jealousy can stay here. There won't be room for it on Quilting
Corner.
>
Virginia Hughes
me. Besides, he's a man. <G> With some exceptions, I find they don't get
drawn into relationships (read happy dances and prayers of support) in
the same way as women do. Everyone participates in a different manner
and to a differing degree."
aren't comfortable with large-scale emotional displays, either, and
prefer such discussions to be more private. He certainly seems like a
nice guy to me, and didn't make any suggestions or comments about the ng
until as he put it, IIRC, it turned into a debate.
Virginia in Paradise
Virginia Hughes
were a tournament bridge player or a pro ice hockey player or a race
horse owner, and he himself knew nothing about those topics, couldn't
he, just to share with her, read about them without having any expertise
or real knowledge to share EXCEPT about her and her interests?
And just as my Bill would do, when he sees something that he knows
applies to her, he blows her horn. I think he'd do it even if it were to
brag about her recent horse race win, and no money involved.
Somebody wrote just above somewhere that now he's lost customers for
her. If sales were his sole motive, and if he's smart enough to do all
his own computer stuff, mightn't he be smart enough to snow us here with
phony posts and fake prayers, just to make sales? He hasn't. Give him a
break.
Virginia, married to a loyal but quilt-ignorant Bill with no
contribution to make but his Ginny
Virginia Hughes
for public viewing. Without going into which thread it is, there is one
right now that comes so very, very close to a very, very personal issue
in my own life that the very first post on it made me weep and run like
a rabbit. Some of us just aren't comfortable with that kind of raw
emotion via a public electronic device with people who, while smart and
creative and nice and concerned are still in many ways, STRANGERS: and
if Bill is one of us, who's to blame him for his reticence? If such
reticence renders one ineligible for reading here, it seems like an
exclusion of a lot of nice and talented folks.
Virginia in Paradise
Andrea
money invested in fabric (otherwise known as control). If the fabric
investment bothered her, then I'm sure she would do what all of us
quilters/sewers do: scrimp, save, trade, or even occasionally blow it -
whatever it takes to add to the stash. She sounds quite happy and content
doing what she is doing. Maybe you need a job or some outlet of your own.
Andrea
jab1932
making over "bill's problem is a wast of my time. I could
be quilting now instead of answering your mountain out of a
mole hill. If this kind of conversation continues, I'll
just stop reading this sight. After all is a free county
and a free site for us all. Get the point? and I don't
mean a pin or needle point. This the first and last of my
coment about "bill's" problem.
My husband said that quilting keeps me out the bars and
off the street corner, but not out of the fabris stores.
He really is great about my sewing for the last 50years, so
I'll stop quilting long enough to bake a pie for him. Love
to you all.
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NoM...@spam.com
not consider herself the empress, and it is just mean spirited to call her
that. How would you like it? Sarah expresses her opinion. Some people express
the opposite. Why aren't they called rude names? Why are people who agree with
her some kind of clique? Sheesh... I have made posts the majority agree with
and some the majority didnt agree with, and yet I feel welcome here. There is
nothing cliquey about this place. Sarah is one of the first out there with a
welcome wagon, but this guy has stated pretty clearly that HE DOES NOT want to
be a part of the group, he just wants to advertise his site.If he wanted to
join the group, Sarah would be the first person scooting over to make room for
him and his wife. Christina
Ginny Ellsworth wrote:
> Ellison (Elliso...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
> : Howdy!
> : Y'all have a great trip, now, ya' hear?
> : And don't let the door hit you in the butt
> : on your way out.
>
> Hey Ragmop, what's up? I admit that I have had little time to read lately
> but when did we turn into a closed-minded little clique that Empress Sarah
> ran like a Communist satellite country? Are people snarfing over Bill
> posting ads again? Has anyone checked out the site? Is Bill for real or is
> he a troll? I keep noticing enough flames around the guy to turn him into
> Cherries Jubilee.
>
> Geez, I find a great group of funny, exciting, wildly different people to
> talk to about quilting and life and now the fights are starting. And who
> is this hit and run person? If you are going to state your opinion, I am
> all for you even if I don't agree with you. But to post from a temporary
> address so you can run away from the answers sounds fishy. But then again,
> I haven't been flamed. It might hurt.
>
> And why be ugly if you are going to advertise a new newsgroup. Like what
> is it supposed to be, Grouchy Quilter's Only? And to be ugly to the
> original group to begin with. Hey, do you think that this is from that
> phantom troll person again? The woman who starts fights and gets upset
> when you toss her out the door.
>
> Just wondering. And Bill, why don't you post occassionally just for fun.
> It would make a lot (see Judy!) of people happy if you didn't always look
> like you were shilling for your wife.
>
> Ginny
>
> P.S. Sarah, I was just joking about you being the Empress! Aiyeeee! The
> guards, the guards........
Vickie Y.
the original address!
Vickie
--
Singer wrote in message :
> Forward your complaints to wren...@remarq.com
>
> <sigh> This is getting old. How many accounts will they let you open in
> one day, anyway?
>
> jab1932 <jab1932...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
> <07efa1ad...@usw-ex0103-020.remarq.com>...
Vickie Y.
that to the troll! Please, let's all give this one a rest, ok? I hate to
see our great group getting torn apart again over mis-understood posts.
This is when the trolls love to come out and start troubles for us, so let's
don't feed them anymore, ok? This is for everyone. Please?
Vickie in Ohio
--
<NoM...@spam.com> wrote in message :
bquiltin'
Bill Edwards wrote in message <37D294A1...@bmts.com>...
>
>. I will not dance with you or weep with you.
>
>Yes I am hoping to make some money. I see no crime in that. If a person can
have a hobby
>and make some money as well, what is the problem. >
>. To illustrate the point, you may be
>interested to know Nancy works at the quilt store 2 or three days a week
for no salary.
>She takes her pay in fabric. >
>
>If I can help with a quilting topic you may see me but if it is to discuss
personal
>issues it is highly unlikely you will hear from me. In fact some of the
information I
>have given in this rebuttal is more than I would usually tell a stranger.
>
I didn't plan on responding to this long line of posts to Bill, BUT
something in his message just jumped out at me. Nancy works in the quilt
shop but doesn't take money for it. The IRS would be very interested in
that. You may suggest to her and the shop owner that she be paid, because
the IRS is a very nasty group to deal with if they should find out!! I have
a dear friend who owns a quilt shop and I was willing to "work for free:".
but her tax accountant husband said "No Way"" It's just not worth it if
they were audited.
And By The Way Bill, if you're trying to recoup some of Nancy's
quilting expenditures, wouldn't getting paid help??? Just a
thought................I have them every once in a while.
bquiltin', but not working for fabric even though I would like to.
Phyllis Andersen
again. See my earlier posting. She's been quite active on other newsgroups,
where she has been recognized again. Guess she just couldn't keep quiet on
our ng any longer. Bigbearlady.....still wearing my asbestos underwear and I
know her last name, too
jl...@gte.com wrote in message <37d4695a...@news.gte.net>...
>
>Anybody else here wondering if our old Doro/Pat/etc/etc (but always on
>Earthlink) is back as lpjen0 ? Guess she just can't stay away from us!
>;)
>
>
>
>On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:10:35 -0700, lpjen0 <lpj...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
Virginia Hughes
value of the fabric is reported, is it? The man said she "takes her pay
in fabric"; and pointing at her boss' accounting methods, which were not
cited or any of our business, seems a pretty far-afield way to get back
at him for his alleged advertising on this group.
To fault the man on the one hand for her taking fabric rather than
cash, and then to fault him again because she doesn't get paid as a way
to cut down her fabric expenditures is also a circular and most
illogical argument.
What on earth is happening to this group? The IRS? the IRS???? Who's
writing these posts, the ghost of Richard Nixon?
Virginia in Paradise
Ginny Ellsworth
Marcella Tracy Peek
<mahu...@nospam.msn.com> wrote:
> The difference is in OWNERSHIP or who stands to make a profit by the sale.
>
> If I were to direct someone to Nancy's patterns on that web site, there
> would be no conflict of interest because I will not make one teensy cent
> from any sales that might result....the same as Keepsake is not paying me to
> say I like "xxx" project and Hancock's of Paducah isn't giving me a kickback
> for folks I refer to their web site.
>
> BUT -- every time Bill directs someone to his wife's patterns on the store
> web site, he, through her, stands to make some money through the sale. This
> is an obvious conflict of interest.
Unlike, say those who post about their book and their book signings? Or
those who post about their fabrics for sale?
I think that we tolorate a lot of this on this group when it comes from
names we know, but some are sure quick to pull out their claws when it's
not a friend.
If you wanna make the no commercial rule, fine, but make it apply to
everyone, not just the people we don't know well.
marcella
Singer
poster, how did you know the poster's name was "Bets"? And you wouldn't
just happen to be our little troll friend from California, now would you?
I hope you have a very nice time with your little moderated group.
Since you knew who that last poster was, I assume you don't NEED my sig,
either
lpjen0 <lpj...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<37D41FBB...@earthlink.net>...
Singer
(including Bill's snarky post) pit us against one another. Do we really
want this? Obviously a couple of trolls (or one troll with two thinly
disguised accounts) do. Are we going to let them destroy us? Not if I can
help it.
We are all different in what we bring/take to/from RCTQ. Some of us lurk
for years. Some of us joined right in the first time. Some of us prefer
to keep our lives personal, some prefer to share alot. Some of us read OT
and some read only about quilting. There is room for all of it. (Karlee
wrote an excellent post on our diversity a couple of months ago)
Anyone is free to read or not read any post in RCTQ. However, we are NOT
free to write just any old thing that comes to mind. The things that are
not allowed are things that violate our charter (found in the FAQ). There
are sound reasons why the charter was created that way.
We are all people here, some of the finest people I've met, in person or
otherwise. Do we really want to let an argument like this come between us?
Ask some of the people who were here for the first flame wars. People
left, and many have not come back. It makes me sad to think of the
wonderful quilting people I'll not get to meet because they were driven
off. Let's not let this destroy what we have so carefully and lovingly
built, each in their own way.
Singer--To reply take out the 'spam'
Singer
Nurse Ratched
>those who post about their fabrics for sale?
>
FWIW....I freely admit that I don't read every post, but I've never seen anyone
post *anything* about a book or a book signing, nor have I ever seen anyone
post about their *own* fabrics for sale, only someone else's.
Vickie Y.
out of the whole mess, but when the trolls come in, I'll jump in for my
friends!
Vickie in Ohio
--
Some people come into our lives, make footprints on our hearts, and we are
never the same.
-Anonymous
Singer wrote in message :
sarah curry
>
> Hello Sarah,
>
> This is quickly turning into a debate. That's okay with me, I like a good discussion. I
> will rebut your statements within your message below.
>
And that works for me, Bill. Dang. Sorry you didn't respond to me
privately, so we could avoid this, but so be it. I didn't plan a
debate, at all, but I can do that. As with all debates, there are
varying opinions. What you get is my opinion, period. I don't rule
this newsgroup. I can't presume to speak for the whole group. My
previous post was just that ... MY post. Others have disagreed,
publicly, and that's a good thing.
>
> I thought the purpose of this group was to discuss quilting and to disseminate
> information related to quilting. I have found lately that the topics in the group, as far
> as I am concerned, are diverging much too far from this intent. Lately there have been
> discussions on grammar, teachers, hurricanes, recipes, breast feeding and hurricanes. Are
> there not groups where these types of discussions would be more appropriate? I'll
> probably get flamed for this comment but this is how I feel.
Not a problem, Bill. You're right. The purpose of this group IS to
discuss quilting, and to disseminate information. And, we do. But that
is by no means ALL we do.
This group pretty much EVOLVED from "The Great Flame Wars" of several
years ago. Yup, I was one (of several)_who was seriously flamed -- for
yup, getting "off topic." I did that. Often. I still do. I picked
off the flame-scabs (my notion was, and is, that this is just an
enormous cyber-quilting-frame, very much like the one my grandmother let
down on pulleys from her ceiling ... and the quilters gathered around,
and talked about all SORTS of things as they quilted -- I suspect that
my grandmother's peers didn't speak, out loud, about yeast infections
and prostate cancer ... but I DO suspect that they talked about kids and
spouses and exchanged recipes (including those for removing stains, on
fabric and elsewhere).
You already know the other things this group does, I think. But in
case you don't, this is NOT "just" a bunch of snarky ole broads (sorry,
but we transcend all
age/profession-or-not/educuation-or-not/ethnicity/WHERE we are, on the
planet) who haven't any sort of "real" lives. We are, mostly, married
(and happily -- I keep trying to "rent" the
"good" ones :-). We are, as far as I can tell, the quilter's version
of "Everyman". We make quilts for Tiina's "preemies" in Finland (and
other tiny babies, all over). We raise a whole LOT of money for a
teacher's charity in a very small town in Idaho, to remember one of US
(Thank you, Ruth, for what you gave us, and what you allowed us to
give). We make quilts for cops to put in their trunks when they have to
pick up the babies and small children. We make quilts for battered
women's shelters. We send money and quilts and blankets and whatever
else, to the folks who've been hit by those HURRICANES (or tornadoes, or
floods, of fires, or earthquakes ... we don't make a distinction). We
do the best we can for reconciling racial strife. We HUG, dammit! And
that is a GOOD thing!
>
>
> As you can see from my previous comment, I think people should stay on topic.
AHA, Bill. I think I've GOT it.
So, just to HELL with Butterfly's Wings, Bill. (has Butterfly lent you
her wings? Oh. No reason, yet. These are STRONG wings, Bill, and
iridescent, no matter how mightily-tired they are. I DO hope you don't
ever have a need for Buttefly's Wings. But if you do need them,
sometime, Butterfly goes without her Wings a lot).
Nevermind how the newbies feel, when they just poke a shy toe in here,
and ask a tentative question that has NOTHING to do with quilting, but
instead, might deal with lace, or garment-sewing, or the like ...
SHAME on you, "girls" -- you are just FOREVER rattling ON, and OFF
topic, about your kids, husbands, quilting, SO's, plumbing, food-moths,
quilting, cars, power tools, buns, fabric, Crayolas, hurricanes (but
only "in season"), QI's, quilts .... shame on all those OT
comments.
Oh, shucks, Marny (and all the others who are dealing with as=wful
stuff), just go someplace ESLE, when you're hurtin'. We ONLY talk about
QUILTING (on topic), here, after all (is it beginning to SHOW that I'm
not pleased?).
Getting beat up at home, quilters? Just too damn' bad. Don't talk
about it HERE .. we only talk about QUILTING..
, and everyone knows that nobody can quilt and get beat up at the same
time.
Shucks, Ragmop, it's just too damn' BAD that your <BEG>ging has to
go somewhere else. (close, but no cigar)
Connie, NO MORE OT JOKES (funny part, Bill, is that I was NOT happy
about Connie's jokes ... -- we worked it out, and I'm a Connie-fan)
One RCTQ-er shouted when it got critical. OFF topic? Well, I reckon
it WAS. Sheesh. "Thinking about suicide" really doesn't have a hell
of a lot to do with QUILTING, does it? But *I* think RCTQ saved a
life, about a year ago. Not so much because of the responses, and the
squishies and the like ... but because that person was comfortable
enough, in this very-much-OFF-topic place, to call for help, here.
We can agree to disagree, here, I think, Bill, about the "on topic"
part, and that's fine. But until you
post a message which says something besides "here's a look at the
patterns-for-sale", then I confess
that I'm a bit suspicious about the "may be of some help" part.
Indeed, we ALL snitch (for lack of a better word) ideas.
However, I really DO doubt that you initially posted just to let us all
go snitch Nancy's ideas. You didn't say that in the beginning, and you
certainly didn't lead me in that direction with comments like "recoup
the investment." I repeat: I have NO problem with recoupment.
Absolutely none with Nancy's designs, or the notion that they ARE worth
MONEY.
My ONLY problem is that you never, ONCE, posted a single "get some
ideas from Nancy's patterns, take a little aspect and go from there".
I don't blame you a BIT for that (hell, I don't GIVE my ideas away,
either) ... it's just that there are other places for SELLING the ideas,
and they aren't far away.
> This seems to be a rather large assumption. I don't see how you could know this as fact.
Yes, that WAS a generalization. It is, however, as close as I can
manage, absolute fact. (sorry I deleted the other part). But I think
I'm dang close. We TRADE stuff, here. We SWAP. And heaven knows, we
"SQUISH" each other (those are GIFTS, period). If someone has something
to sell, it is VERY quickly taken to private e-mail, and there's only
one post. When I very first got here, I wanted to SELL some 2"
"watercolor" squares. I was slapped upside the head, HARD. And it made
SENSE, to me, in this particular place. And I DO know (I've been here
for almost 4 years -- how about you?) that the general rule is pretty
much "we trade, we swap, but we don't SELL), here.
>
> So what you are saying is that because I am married to Nancy I cannot recommend her
> patterns. That seems rather unfair to me.
NO, Bill, that is NOT what I said. Not at all. What I SAID was
(something like) "I'm thrilled that you adore Nancy,
admire her, want to promote her, BUT, I really wish you'd done it in a
way which didn't just pretty much say 'buy a Nancy-pattern' and make the
Edwards family some money".
> I am sorry but I don't know a lot of other quilters.
Sigh. More's the pity. There are a whole LOT of quilters, right here.
Goodness, more and more all the time. Newbies,
oldies, young whippersnappers, young (relatively speaking) men with
wives and children, fiesty ole broads, and the like. We are HERE, Bill
... not very many of us have laid EYES on each other ... but we CARE a
whole lot. And we are ALL quilters. You COULD get to know us (and
vice-versa).
I do look at a lot of quilt sites
> and appreciate the work of others. Some of the quilts and wall hangings are beautiful. I
> quite often get Nancy down here by the computer to look at other peoples work. (That's if
> I can get her out of her sewing room.)
Pretty much a good sign, although I, for one, would like to say Hello to
Nancy (heck, we ALL sew, here, and more than a few of us teach ... and
for what it's worth, there are a while BUNCH of us who admit be being
pitifully, painfully shy ... Trust me, Bill .,. lots of us really are)
>
> You are right and wrong here. I do care about people BUT I am not one to discuss my
> personal feeling with strangers. I do not believe the web is the place to do things like
> that. As I said before this group should be for quilting related topics NOT to discuss my
> daughter's pregnancy or how happy or depressed I feel today. That is not my style and I
> am too old to change now.
I respect your position. If you just dang-well ain't gonna TALK about
personal things, that's fine. But Nah, Bill, NOBODY is "too old" to
change. Hell, my MOTHER just got a computer, AND got an e-mail address
... did I mention
(nah, I didn't, lately) that my mother is EIGHTY-SIX (goin' on 87, in
February) years old? And we can agree to disagree about this, too, but
my notion is thatthose "Strangers" are just friends you haven't gotten
to know, yet. But that's your choice. Did I mention that I just made a
WALLHANGING (see, Butterfly, I CAN spell it, when it's important :-)
)?>
I think you DO care about people. I agree that you may NEVER be one to
talk about
what you consider personal matters, and that, too, is fine.
So you are right .. I will not dance with you or weep with you.
> I may empathise with you BUT you will never know because I would never tell anyone except
> my loving wife how I feel. (Old fashioned, yes, but that's me and I am happy with it.)
I think this is your loss, of course (and Nancy's). HappyDancing is
just a hoot (among other things, there are an
ASTONISHING number of happy-dances, from all over the WORLD). I suspect
that Nancy would get a KICK (so to speak, in happydance lingo) out of an
RCTQ HappyDance, from the Twist to the Aggie Shuffle to the Polka to the
toyi-toyi. Meanwhile, It's OK if you aren't as outgoing as many of us
are.
>
> It seems rather redundant to produce another site when I already have a perfectly good
> site that displays Nancy's work. I really hate busy work and don't want to waste the time
> doing something a second time that is already done.
HMMMMM. I don't like busy-work, either. My single problem with this
(still, after having thought about it)
, is that you have NEVER pointed to that site, except to sell. I
swear, Bill, I'm trying really hard. I am.
>
<gentle snip>
> No I don't read all the posts, only the ones I think are appropriate to quilting and the
> ones I think Nancy might be interested in.
Uh ... the ones YOU think are "appropriate", and the ones YOU think
Nancy might be interested in? My, my, my. I'll be biting my tongue,
now ... (but gently)
**********
So, Nancy, how about YOU come on in and "set a spell" with us? (after
Bill has censored, of course ... and weeded out everything having to do
with yeast infections, dyeing fabric, feedsacks, breast feeding, tying
quilts, hurricanes (especially if you KNOW someone in the path), raising
teenagers, foundation piecing, hand-quilting, difficult spouses,
applique, difficult kids, dyeing fabric, SERIOUS cancer in someone you
love (including yourself), other designs,
getting-to-the-quilt-show-in-a-wheelchair, teaching just about anything,
gardening, and just about anything else. except patterns for sale.
nd not a crime. The ONLY problem, for me, is the forum. (and so, rctq
folks,
are there any more questions about the motive? So much for "just adore
my wife"). Bill, I've BEEN there,
trying to find a way to "support the habit" (back then, a needlepoint
habit). I became a Paternayan dealer,
found a place to get canvas wholesale, then MADE KITS (and you damn' BET
I SOLD those patterns! and WISH there had been an internet forum, so I'd
not have to DRIVE from Texas to California and back). But making money
HERE, just doesn't work, for me. There are a host of commercial sites.
My own hobby is computers and I do a
> lot of selling, fixing and repairing. ( I also have a real job that pays the bills) I
> really enjoy what I am doing and at the same time make some money. Where is the problem?
> Is it because I enjoy what I do or is it because I happen to make some money while I am
> enjoying myself? The money I make from computers allows me to buy new toys for my
> computer and you know men enjoy toys.
Generally, not a problem, either from the enjoyment part, or the
money-part (but Bill, women DO enjoy their toys, too --
and they aren't ALWAYS "girly"-toys. I'm really in LUST with the new
deWalt drill; Karlee, I'm sure has a couple of toys she can mention ...
including the sewing machines), You haven't tried to sell me a single
computer (new, used, or used-and-repaired). You haven't pointed me to a
single "Bill's new/fixed/repaired computers." And yeah, there's another
part of the rub.
> years. I couldn't fathom the amount of money spent on quilt supplies. I don't really care
> as long as she is happy.
REALLY?????????
I figured if it worked for my hobby in computers maybe we could
> recoup some of the money Nancy spends on quilting. Note: We are not even remotely close
> to that yet but I am still hoping. Nancy used to give all her instructions and and
> patterns away for nothing until we finally convinced her we might be able to sell them.
> Her attitude is that she just likes to see people enjoy her creations and if she can
> teach other people how to do it , so much the better. She really doesn't care about the
> money. I am the one who is more money oriented.
I now, after that last paragraph (and especially the last sentence),
rest my case. Read your last paragraph out loud (ALL of it), to Nancy,
Bill. I'm not criticizing the concept of making money, not at all. My
ONLY problem is the forum.
Still hoping you AND Nancy (hell, Bill, my 86-year-old mother took time
out from her quilting to send her first on-her-own e-mail today ...
there's hope for us all!) ... will come and join us. No need to
confess, or hug, or happydance (and I'm damn' serious about that), or
even give a rat's behind about those who're dealing with (and reading
this ng, which for some, is the only outlet) cancer, or floods, or
fires, or earthquakes, or children with (or their own) "challenges"
(tht's PC for "disabilities"). No need for you (or Nancy) to waste any
time on SILLY stuff like congratuations (ooops ... 'cept for Nancy's
patterns, of course)
I think I've just figured it out. I'm a little emabrrassed that it took
so long.
Well, DUH ...
I've got a delete key, and I know how to use it (sometimes, I forget
how, but I remember).
You have a delte key, and you know how to use it.
I don't like your "oh, by the way, to hell with the most of you, but buy
Nancy's patterns" posts. I'm offended, on several levels (but several
are not). You're offended by the OT posts on a quilting newsgroup (and
several are not).
I have a suggestion. I'd really LIKE it if you and Nancy and your
daughters and the immature QI's would tell us more, but I'm probably not
gonna get that. You'd probably LIKE it if all us OT folks would quit
our birthdays and jokes and hurricanes and grammar and
just-general-care-for-each-other posts. I'd really prefer that you and
I would just agree to disagree (this is AWFULLY close to "I'll show you
mine", but so bit it), and have some fun, here. But if we can't do that
(I swear, folks, I TRIED for private), then how about "I'll delete yours
if you'll delete mine"?
Still got the channels open,
Sairey
NoM...@spam.com
> > Hey Ragmop, what's up? I admit that I have had little time to read
lately
> > but when did we turn into a closed-minded little clique that Empress
Sarah
There is your quote Vickie, but the rest of that particular post is at the
bottom of this. Sure sounded like name calling to me.
I do not want to see this get ugly either, but I don't think saying she didnt
call her names when she clearly did helps anything. Read the whole post
below... Ginny doesnt sound like she is joking to me, and I felt it was a very
ugly post. Christina
"Vickie Y." wrote:
lpjen0
It is Lurline P. Jennings.
1132 s. Bay Hill Dr.
Banning, CA 92220
Ph. 909-845-1418
Give her a call Philliy and tell her how much you love her. Thanks for
reminding us about who who think she is.
Hugs to you and yours.
Patty.
No relation to the above named person.
Phyllis Andersen wrote:
> Yes, Lurline (her real name) is back posting and trying to cause dissention
> again. See my earlier posting. She's been quite active on other newsgroups,
> where she has been recognized again. Guess she just couldn't keep quiet on
> our ng any longer. Bigbearlady.....still wearing my asbestos underwear and I
> know her last name, too
>
> jl...@gte.com wrote in message <37d4695a...@news.gte.net>...
> >
> >Anybody else here wondering if our old Doro/Pat/etc/etc (but always on
> >Earthlink) is back as lpjen0 ? Guess she just can't stay away from us!
> >;)
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 13:10:35 -0700, lpjen0 <lpj...@earthlink.net>
> >wrote:
> >
Judy Grevenites
first began. I'm fairly new to the group but I know how devisive
something like this can be.
Let's let this thread die a natural death by ending it. No opinion is
worth dystroying our harmony. Judy G in IL
TMMRR
I LOVE your sig name; wish I'd thought of it! Lately I've been doing a lot more
Un-stitching than stitching!
Love y'all,
Tina R.
Duluth, GA
In article <1bd14d26...@usw-ex0108-057.remarq.com>, unstitcher
<dajacobs...@cybertrails.com> writes:
>Bill,
>I too am a Newbie to this NG. I lurked for quite a while
>before saying anything. Lurking allowed me to get the feel
>of the people within this community. I would not have
>delurked if the group did not feel right.
>
>I know you have heard it before and now you will hear it
>again. This is a group of people drawn together by the love
>of Quilting. This group is like a very large family, a
>family that talks to each other, laughs with each other,
>cries with each other. We worry, we cheer, we coax, we care,
>we give advice,we ask questions, we show our
>accomplishments to each other.
>
>For some of us, this is Our Guild, Our Quilting Bee. Do not
>try to change the way we are, we are very happy with us.
>
>Those of us that have made a business of quilting do not
>push their business onto the rest of the group. If there is
>a sale to be made, so be it. It will happen when it happens.
>
>Please take the time to get to know us, join in the
>conversations, have your wonderful Nancy join us. We really
>don't bite, or at least not very hard.
>
>Hope to see you aroung the NG.
>Unstitcher
Rita Denenberg
these posts about Bill. I could not reply because I did not know how. I am not as eloquent as
you, but found myself in tears when I read your reply because what you said is what I have been
feeling and you did it so well. If it were not for this group when I had my bout with cancer
and other surgeries I don't know what I would do and I am forever grateful. It gave me the
opportunity to vent the feelings and fears I had that I could not with others as not to alarm
them.
There were so many things I found disturbing about his "debate" but due to recent health
problems I've been experiencing, I cannot reply so want to thank you for being our advocate.
Ladies, I do happy dance with all of you, I do cry when you are experiencing bad times, I just
cannot physically respond, but let it be known, I do read most of the posts and don't change.
--
Rita
http://myquilts.hypermart.net
http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/4240/ sarah curry wrote:
> Bill Edwards wrote:
> >
> > Hello Sarah,
> >
> > This is quickly turning into a debate. That's okay with me, I like a good discussion. I
> > will rebut your statements within your message below.
> >
>
> And that works for me, Bill. Dang. Sorry you didn't respond to me
> privately, so we could avoid this, but so be it. I didn't plan a
> debate, at all, but I can do that.
snip........
LN in New England
personal Bill, I'm just not a pattern kinda gal). Why are people upset that
he doesn't want to 'chat'? There are some guys here that do, but on the
whole, most men don't care to 'chat'. It is mainly a female thing (generally
speaking...we've seen many women on here who hate the chatter as well).
I don't want to buy from Bill's wife's site, but I can ignor it. Hey, I see
a lot of hit and run spam on here that are ignored. Why people have a
problem with Bill when they can ignor the other stuff is beyond me.
Certainly not worth the upset. Just let it go.
LN
LN in New England
> > >
> > > Ginny
> > >
> > > P.S. Sarah, I was just joking about you being the Empress! Aiyeeee!
The
> > > guards, the guards........
> >
<NoM...@spam.com> wrote in message news:37D50010...@spam.com...
ConnieD
by LOTS of the lads and lasses on this group when I first started to sit
with you.( The bruises have long gone thanks LOL)
Funny thing is that despite all trials and tribulations over the time, I
personally have made a LOT of friends through the group and my OT postings.
( For any newcomers I do quilt and stitch as much as I can!!!) I have
entered arguments and debates, comforted both privately and publicly, shared
the laughter and tears , participated in exchanges and quilt calls, and do
you know, I think that for me personally this group has allowed me to feel
as a part of an extended family. That is a wonderful sensation and to each
of you I say Thanks.
Yes I post a lot of OT items and I am still able to pass on the bits of
info I find, even though someone else has already come up with the answer to
the question before I have seen it asked :-) ( Work that one out!!!)
I am delighted to be able to say that I have been squished, or received a
friendly post from the different friends I have made on the group. I have
praised where praise is due,encouraged when someone doubts their own
abilties, and offered a hand of friendship to those who want it. Just like
the MAJORITY of this group do.
To each one of you I say THANK YOU for being here when I have needed a hand
to hold. I may never get to meet you, but you are an important part of my
daily life.
Sarah thank you for your kind words they are much appreciated, and that
comes from deep inside.
Regards to all ConnieD.
sarah curry wrote in message <37D4D2...@zianet.com>...
BIG SNIP
SNIPPED
Cher Ann Holt-fortin
only for those days when nothing goes right.
Been have a few of those of late and I think a grouch group would be
great. We could call it grouch@garbagecan. oscar.
Ok I am feeling silly.
Cher
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O God, these lovely children are the handiwork of the fingers of
Thy might and the wonderous signs of Thy greatness
'Abdu'l-Baha
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Karen Johnson
> What on earth is happening to this group? The IRS? the IRS???? Who's
>writing these posts, the ghost of Richard Nixon?
Do you mind if I agree with you again?
It's one thing to engage in spirited debate on a topic on which
intelligent people can disagree - - it's entirely another to start
making veiled threats.
This is Not A Good Thing ...
Karen Johnson
Woodland Hills, CA
int...@pacbell.net
Karen Johnson
>Some of us just aren't comfortable with that kind of raw
>emotion via a public electronic device with people who, while smart and
>creative and nice and concerned are still in many ways, STRANGERS: and
>if Bill is one of us, who's to blame him for his reticence? If such
>reticence renders one ineligible for reading here, it seems like an
>exclusion of a lot of nice and talented folks.
I wanted to make public my respect for your kindness and tolerance;
you've really made some excellent points here, Virginia.
Karen Johnson
>What sits so poorly among many here is the crass COMMERCIALISM of the posts
>Bill usually makes. And, as someone has pointed out, the FAQ posted rules
>for this newsgroup includes the rules "no advertising" and "no selling on
>the newsgroup".
Pam, I'm blatantly using you to offer a few thoughts <s> ... don't
take this personally!
I've never known why "crass commercialism" is offensive ... We live in
a commercial culture, and so much of what we do is based on buying and
selling. We wouldn't be quilting if it weren't for commercial
ventures. While I feel quite certain that Jinny Beyer and Carol Doak
and others create their products out of a sense of artistry and
aesthetic satisfaction, I also feel quite certain that they value the
income they make from it. They're commercial, too! And I'm glad they
are; my quilting would be impoverished by their absence.
While Bill's posts were commercial, they certainly weren't crass. I
thought his messages were very short and to the point -- and, for me,
uninteresting.
If there is a "no selling" rule on rctq, then we _do_ have to apply it
to everyone -- to Jinny, Carol, Rowena, etc. I'd hate to see that
happen.
I've never understood why it's bad for me to say "I've made XYZ, and
you can buy it at ABC.com," but it's just fine for me to say, "Hey!
there's a fabulous product called XYZ available on ABC.com!" Why does
it matter that in the first instance, I'm making a profit, and in the
second, I'm not? Doesn't the product stand on its own merit? Are the
patterns or fabrics any less desirable because I'll make money off of
my efforts, talent and investment? Won't you look at them and say
"yick" or "yummy" based solely on your own sense of aesthetics?
I just bought some wonderful things at the San Diego Quilt Show, sold
by a non-quilting husband who was busting with pride at his wife's
energies and talent. I didn't know them, either -- I just liked their
products. Is that better because I could see their faces and shake
their hands, and I'll never get to meet Bill and his wife? (Hey,
maybe that _was_ Bill and his wife! <s>
Random thoughts -- 'cause I just don't understand what all the uproar
is about, and no explanation yet has made sense to me ...
Holly Grimmett
--
:-(---Holly---<--<-@
lpjen0 <lpj...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:37D41FBB...@earthlink.net...
Holly Grimmett
--
:-)---Holly---<--<-@ ho...@cheerful.com
on the road to Tampa any minute now!!!
Ginny Ellsworth <gell...@mailer.fsu.edu> wrote in message
news:7r1ksf$eut$1...@news.fsu.edu...
Wanda bikecats
Exactly. Bill chooses to participate in the newsgroup in a less verbal
and more on-topic way than the most frequent posters. Why is that such a
problem?
Wanda bikecats
LN in New England <lnsobs...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
<7r38bo$1rqa$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...
Ellison
I worked at the LQS for a couple of years,
and the last year I was there, I asked for
"payment in fabric." The shop owners had to
keep track of my hourly wage=how much fabric,
and when I filed my income tax forms, I had to
report the fabric value as part of my earnings
for that year. It was actually more paperwork
that way, but I came out ahead because I got
the fabric at discount and it stretched my paycheck
when they couldn't afford to give me a raise.
It worked out in the end, but it was more
time-consuming in paperwork. Several of the
teachers at the shop chose/choose this, as well.
I also sold several of my handcrafted items, quilts,
and yo-yos there, and all profits had to be claimed,
because that's just how I am about paying my taxes.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch....
Oh, and my other favorite:
Meanwhile, upstream, Jim and the giant anaconda...
(The show goes on.)
Cheers!
Ragmop
Virginia Hughes wrote in message
<18873-37...@newsd-263.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
Taking one's pay in fabric is not working for free, so long as the
value of the fabric is reported, is it? The man said she "takes her pay
in fabric"; and pointing at her boss' accounting methods, which were not
cited or any of our business, seems a pretty far-afield way to get back
at him for his alleged advertising on this group.
To fault the man on the one hand for her taking fabric rather than
cash, and then to fault him again because she doesn't get paid as a way
to cut down her fabric expenditures is also a circular and most
illogical argument.
writing these posts, the ghost of Richard Nixon?
Phyllis Andersen
lpj...@earthlink.net? Could it be possible that it stands for Lurline P.
Jennings? Hmmmmm.....Bigbearlady.....wondering what name Lurline will use
next?
lpjen0 wrote in message <37D50756...@earthlink.net>...
Ellison
So now I'm wondering what *this* is about.?
Huh?
Let's see, I replied to the grouch who called
RCTQ names, and told how wonderful life
will be on her new talkgroup, and suggested
she not let the door hit her in the butt in her
rush to mouth off and run out the back...
so, is there a problem?
Ragmop/Sandy Ellison, wanting to make
certain I know who I am <BG>
Ginny Ellsworth wrote in message <7r1ksf$eut$1...@news.fsu.edu>...
NoM...@spam.com
blame it on sleep depravation and PMS.... going to take a nap now... cover me
with a quilt ok? Christina
LN in New England wrote:
> You missed this part Christina...
>
> > > >
> > > > Ginny
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Sarah, I was just joking about you being the Empress! Aiyeeee!
> The
> > > > guards, the guards........
> > >
>
LN in New England
LN
ConnieD <nom...@wxs.nl> wrote in message
news:7r38e1$3kbge$1...@reader3.wxs.nl...
> Oh Sarah I remember those days so well when I got well and truely hammered
[snip]
LN in New England
(Hiding behind my keyboard)
LN
Ellison <Elliso...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:7r3hn5$4k8$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
[snip]
Judy Fearn
>
> Hello,
> Exactly. Bill chooses to participate in the newsgroup in a less verbal
> and more on-topic way than the most frequent posters. Why is that such a
> problem?
> LN in New England <lnsobs...@prodigy.net> wrote in article
> > I personally don't have a problem with Bill. He is easily ignored
> (nothing
> > personal Bill, I'm just not a pattern kinda gal). Why are people upset
> that
> > he doesn't want to 'chat'? There are some guys here that do, but on <snip>
As I see it, the problem is that Bill's only interest/contribution is
to send pointers to his web site to sell his wife's patterns.
What's wrong with that? You can easily ignore him, right? OK.
Fine. Now how about when there are two "Bills" posting about a web
site you can go to to buy a pattern. No helpful hints, no pattern
ideas, no color scheme suggestions, just a commercial for patterns.
Oh..you can handle that too? What about when there are 50 "Bills"?
How about if someone posts they have xyz for sale on eBay...hurry on
over. How about if that someone posts an hourly countdown on his/her
item(s) for sale? How about if that person has 70 items and makes a
separate post for each one? How about if 70 people post their eBay
ads here? Is it ok then, because you can ignore it?
Of course, all those messages have to be stored on each ISP's
servers--which usually has one or both of the following effects: The
ISP has to expire messages more quickly, so if you're gone for a
couple days you may miss them entirely--they need the room on the
servers for new messages, or the ISP has to buy more hard drive/more
servers/more transmission lines to handle the load. No
problem...unless you like having your rates go up.
Then there are the folks who either pay for connect time (it takes
time to download all those message headers) or by the byte
downloaded. We take it for granted here in the U.S., because most of
our ISPs have local access numbers and we don't pay extra for being on
the phone. That is NOT the case in every country...
There is a .marketplace newsgroup for those who wish to sell stuff. I
don't have heartburn about an author or designer who puts a pointer to
their web site in their .sig. I don't even have a problem if someone
makes ONE announcement about their new book, available at (insert URL,
store, whatever) as long as the message is short, subject is clear,
and it is only posted once. Those who have pointed to Jinny's,
Carol's, Jennifer's (and others who make money from the business side
of quilting) posts may have missed the helpful advise and on-topic
posts these folks have made. I know that if I bought Carol's book and
had a question about something that I posted here, she would answer it
if she saw it. I don't claim to have read every post, but I don't
recall seeing any of these folks post solely to sell their products.
To me, that's the big difference. If I read Miz Sairey's posts
correctly, that's the difference to which she is directing the
conversation, as well. Carol, Jinny, Jennifer, Ro, and others have
contributed their experience, tips, techniques, and comments free of
charge and in the interest of the group.
That's my nickel's worth on the subject.
Judy in MN
[OK, who took my durned ladder--I need it to climb off my soap box.
C'mon ladies and gents--don't make me jump--I'm *fragile*]
LN in New England
pointing to their ebay page) and no one at all has said a word to them, but
they jump all over Bill. His are the most inoffensive of all the ones I've
seen.
If yer gonna jump on one, jump on 'em all. Be fair! Be consistant! BE
VIGILANT!!!! Don't let any get by ya, or they'll walk all over ya! Yeah,
that's it!
LN ('snuff ed)
Judy Fearn <bea...@ibm.net> wrote in message
news:37D5609E...@ibm.net...
> As I see it, the problem is that Bill's only interest/contribution is
> to send pointers to his web site to sell his wife's patterns.
>
> What's wrong with that? You can easily ignore him, right? OK.
> Fine. Now how about when there are two "Bills" posting about a web
> site you can go to to buy a pattern. No helpful hints, no pattern
> ideas, no color scheme suggestions, just a commercial for patterns.
>
> Oh..you can handle that too? What about when there are 50 "Bills"?
> How about if someone posts they have xyz for sale on eBay...hurry on
> over. How about if that someone posts an hourly countdown on his/her
> item(s) for sale? How about if that person has 70 items and makes a
> separate post for each one? How about if 70 people post their eBay
> ads here? Is it ok then, because you can ignore it?
[snipped cuz I gotta]
Virginia Hughes
lpj...@earthlink.net? Could it be possible that it stands for Lurline P.
Jennings? Hmmmmm.....Bigbearlady.....wondering what name Lurline will
use next?"
Naaaaah, it's coincidence. Sure, that's what it is. Sure, just like the
fact that the other post, the one with the admittedly fake address in
disappearing ink, was signed btdt (or was it "b with the dt's"), and
then Patty calls her Bets. Nah, coincidence that Bets begins with a B.
Sure. That's it.
Now that that's settled, I have this huge orange quilt rack to sell.
It's about three miles long, big enough for the very largest quilt, and
it's down there, just north of San Francisco and south of Marin County.
Make offer.
Virginia in Paradise
XDS2
Note to self: Never make anyone mad on R.C.T.Q. It looks like it hurts
to get flamed. Anybody out there no the number to NASA so ican get one
of those suit the Astronauts where so if I aver get flamed it wont
hurt???
Reshae (Praying that God will give her the ability to read every post
with a humoorous attitude and if for some reason I find no humor God
will give her the glasses to find it.)
Imapearl
Oh Reshae,
I think you will do just fine here.
Pearl
XDS2 wrote in message <37D57606...@home.com>...
>
>Note to self: Never make anyone mad on R.C.T.Q. It looks like it hurts
>to get flamed. Anybody out there no the number to NASA so ican get one
>of those suit the Astronauts where so if I aver get flamed it wont
>hurt???
>
>Reshae (Praying that God will give her the ability to read every post
>with a humoorous attitude and if for some reason I find no humor God
>will give her the glasses to find it.)
<snippage of stuff>
Deb
>Random thoughts -- 'cause I just don't understand what all the uproar
>is about, and no explanation yet has made sense to me ...
My explanation for the uproar:
The phase of the moon, the pull of the tides, alien mind control, a
chemical imbalance, subliminal messages embedded in the Northern toilet
paper commercials, a chocolate shortage, a wine shortage, a fabric
shortage, a feline conspiracy, temporary insanity caused by excessive
housework.
This too shall pass. Anyone wanna talk about quilting? :-)
--
Deb
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/4237/ (my quilts)
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/4237/ffthome.html
Food For Thought Challenge Pix
Ginny Ellsworth
: not consider herself the empress, and it is just mean spirited to call her
Christina, sorry you took it the wrong way. I was joking when I called
Sarah the Empress. We are not a closed minded, incestuous quilting group.
That is why I made the joke. Blame my very dark sense of humor. Sarah is
cool with me and knows it. The joke was that I call myself the Empress
when people demand a title like miss or mrs. from me. If you read through
the entire note, you will see that I tell Sarah I am joking at the end.
But she probably already knew that and is demanding only half my stash for
libel! Just Kidding!!!
Ginny
Rowena Aldridge
ROFLMAO!!! babalu!
rowena___. in music city USA
RoStitchery Custom Sewing and Quilting
http://members.aol.com/rostitchry/home.html
"when was the last time you did something for the first time?"
Rowena Aldridge
quilt--terrific! i just love that you let some for the bugs escape, and having
different sizes is cool too. and also cool is the bottle leaning on its side.
this is a fun quilt, congratulations, i make a TN waltz happy dance for you,
Ginny Ellsworth
Vickie, thank you for defending me. I apologize to all who thought I was
serious including Ragmop who wondered what on Earth this had to do with
her post. The note was intended for her only and I goofed up. Blame a dark
sense of humor and having to work on Labor Day when I really wanted to cut
out fabric!!! Sorry again. Ginny
Ellison
Margaret, you always know just what
you want to say. I love that!
Hugs,
Ragmop/Sandy
(hey, can I show everybody the picture
of you and me and RQ1?)
Margaret Sayers wrote in message ...
>YIppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee,
>Margaret XXX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Margaret Sayers
Marissa Vignali
NoM...@spam.com
said I was going to go in the corner, lay down with a quilt and take a nap... chalk
it up to PMS and sleep depravation.... and I did take a nap and a bubble bath....
Christina
Ellison
I still think you're cute, Ginny.
And I'll be watching the other half of
that stash (note: I did not include the
word "for" in that line!), to see where
it floats. As for sweeping statements
that we are not incestuous, well...
nevermind. <BG>
Ginny & me is o.k. with each others! ;-D
Cheers!
Ragmop/Sandy--why do they still
call it Labor Day?!!??
Ginny Ellsworth wrote in message <7r43qp$oct$1...@news.fsu.edu>...
Marissa Vignali
liners does not mean I think he is a troll. Obviously some people don't think
he is doing anything wrong, so I won't mention that it bothers me again, just
keep it to myself. I don't buy many patterns either, so I'll just ignore the
references to the website. Of course I would be glad to read his messages if
they contribute stuff tothe ng. I don't think he was that snarky either....
But, on the other hand I think that a troll or two, using the anonymity of fake
or briefly-lived accounts, are trying to throw wood into the fire, as we say in
spanish... anyway, I always enjoy these threads.... :o)
Singer wrote:
> Okay, folks. We're doing it again. <sigh> We're letting a couple of post
> (including Bill's snarky post) pit us against one another. Do we really
> want this? Obviously a couple of trolls (or one troll with two thinly
> disguised accounts) do. Are we going to let them destroy us? Not if I can
> help it.