OT: finally pictures of the wedding dresses
CNYstitcher
3 weeks. I hope to get a decent one in the near future, but at least
you can see what they basically turned out like.
http://photos.yahoo.com/nystitcher1972
sewing folder
picture isn't that great because it was emailed to me. Haven't gotten
gotten any REAL pictures, even though wedding was over a month ago and I
bought one of the cameras (photographers lens broke and they were
relying on the guests that had digitals or disposables!)
Larisa
P.S. Pattern used was McCalls 3883. The bride was in champagne crepe
back satin (satin back crepe?) and had the satin side out, the girls
were in burgundy crepe. The one that refuses to pay is on the far left.
We are going to be pursuing legal action if she doesn't follow the
agreement made this afternoon.
Sandy Foster
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> http://photos.yahoo.com/nystitcher1972
They look good, Larisa! But why is that one girl refusing to pay? Does
she think you donated the work and supplies for the mere pleasure of it?
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> picture isn't that great because it was emailed to me. Haven't gotten
> gotten any REAL pictures, even though wedding was over a month ago and
> I bought one of the cameras (photographers lens broke and they were
> relying on the guests that had digitals or disposables!)
>
ROTFL! That sounds like a Laurel and Hardy style wedding, like one lady
I used to work with B.C. (before children) who had what I called The
Wedding that Jack Built -- she was marrying the guy she had lived with
for about five years and finally wanted the big wedding and honeymoon
thing (don't ask me why -- it's beyond my personal comprehension) and
she couldn't afford a nice place for the reception, so she asked her
dad, who she hadn't talked to in years but who was a navy officer, if
she could use the ritzy officer's club on a local naval installation for
the reception, and he said that was okay but that if she was having it
there, he wanted to give her away (so much for the very-involved
stepfather giving her away). Then they couldn't afford the Carribbean
cruise they wanted for their honeymoon (this is CAlifornia so there was
plane fare to consider on top of it all) so she was going to take out a
loan and put her MGB/GT up for collateral, but it had engine problems
and they wouldn't take it as collateral, so she had to find a way to
borrow money to get her car fixed so she could use it for collateral to
get the loan for the honeymoon. And it went on from there. We all just
shook our heads.
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she deserves to be given everything in life. Her father just kicked her
out because he was tired of her partying every night (or whatever) and
she has told me, nearly every week now, that she will get the money to
me in a week or 2 weeks, because she "has a lot of shit going on in her
life". Basically, she has said that the dress is the farthest thing
from her mind, that she completely forgot about it (guess she completely
forgot about her brother getting married and the bride being nice and
asking her to be in the wedding, as well). DH made an agreement with
her that she would pay $5 or more every week until her debt is paid off,
and the first week we didn't get paid, legal paperwork would be filed.
The other option is that she get the dress back to me and i would sell
it on ebay, with the complete (if edited) story about it.
Basically, she's an obnoxious brat who isn't responsible enough to
handle her own debts. SHe says she works 60 hours a week, she lives in
a cheap apartment, so why doesn't she have the money by now?? wedding
was over a month ago
Larisa, totally ticked off, but going to deal with this one way or another
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> I guess I'm too cynical. I would never have made the dress in the
> first place without payment in advance. Sure hope you get your money
> back.
Yep, one of the surest ways to get treated like a professional is to act
like one. And this includes materials deposits, contracts and not letting
merchandise out the door without payment. How many businesses do any of you
know that will say... go ahead and take it home, you can pay me later? Not
too many.
Penny S
Karen M.
> FINALLY!! a rather blurry picture of the wedding dresses that I made
in
> 3 weeks. I hope to get a decent one in the near future, but at least
> you can see what they basically turned out like.
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/nystitcher1972
>
> sewing folder
>...The one that refuses to pay is on the far left.
> We are going to be pursuing legal action if she doesn't follow the
> agreement made this afternoon.
Nice of them to provide you with proof that she took the dress and it's
been worn.
$5/week is truly pathetic. What's the total charge?
--Karen M.
CNYstitcher
would be well over $200
CNYstitcher
normally do have a deposit, a wirrten contract, etc. This was a job for
a friend, on a limited budget and with very little time. The fact that
she chose someone totally unreliable is her business, but since that
person has refused to pay, it has now become my business.
I resent the fact that you are implying that I am not a professional,
you don't even know me.
Larisa
Juno
I think you are missing the point here.
Yes you usually use a contract, get a deposit and all the rest, but and this
is a big but, it doesn't matter who the client is, how much time they have,
how limited the budget or any other extenuating circumstance. You must
always follow the same course of action, contract, deposit, payment in full
at pick up if you are going to charge for anything. That means anything,
fabric, labor, notions etc. If it's your big sister and you expect to be
paid for fabric, get it in writing. That's what keeps you a professional.
It's just to easy for people to take advantage.
IF you were going to sell you house to your best friend, I'm sure you would
use a contract.
You provide a service, keep everything on a business footing.
If part of your work is a gift and part requires payment put that in
writting. If not, contract, contract, contract. Look at how much grief this
is causing you. She's a deadbeat and your on the short end of the stick.
Juno
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gabrielle
>I resent the fact that you are implying that I am not a professional,
you don't even know me.
I happen to know Penny personally, and I resent the fact that you are
calling her negative and nagging when you don't even know *her*.
Sheesh, Larissa, suck it up. You *didn't* behave like a professional
in this instance. You goofed up, you learned a lesson (hopefully).
We've all been there. I'm dealing with a similar situation right now
and it sucks. You have my sympathy only until you continue to whine
and start sniping at others who are only giving you good solid advice
in a much less pointed way than I just did.
My advice: Check out Kate's sample contracts & take them to heart.
They are worth their weight in gold.
gabrielle
Pogonip
> YOu know, Penny, you are always the negative nagging voice here. I
> normally do have a deposit, a wirrten contract, etc. This was a job for
> a friend, on a limited budget and with very little time. The fact that
> she chose someone totally unreliable is her business, but since that
> person has refused to pay, it has now become my business.
>
> I resent the fact that you are implying that I am not a professional,
> you don't even know me.
In my opinion, Penny _is_ treating you as a professional. She would not
tell an amateur to get contracts and payment before letting anything out
of their shop. You did not behave professionally and that is why you
have this problem. Also, I think you need to tell your husband to butt
out of your business dealings. I doubt he would appreciate you telling
him how to run his office or deal with his clientele. You can support
each other by listening and encouraging, but never get into detailed
"advice" or "instruction."
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>The one that refuses to pay is on the far left.
She was clearly picked for the role in order to make the pregnant bride
look skinny. And yes, you can quote me ;) (Miaow ... scratch ... hiss
... pass the saucer of milk)
Nice frocks - but nothing will ever make me like crepe-backed satin LOL!
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Pogonip
Wearing a bra would not have hurt. The dress, anyway.
Maureen Wozniak
fired as a bridesmaid. Was told later by the guy who does my hair, that
another bridesmaid told him I was fired because I was better looking
than the others. (I never got repaid for that dress either, but some
things just aren't worth the fight.)
Maureen
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Pat in Virginia
dress, but hey, what a story to tell, especially
when we are all in the Quilters Retirement Home!!
PAT
PS: Did you get to the wedding as a guest? Just nosy!
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last minute adjustments, the bridesmaids were taping themselves in place
with duct tape!!! I just rolled my eyes and thanked them for displaying
my sewing to its advantage...the bride was able to find a bra to hold
her in place decently....still....<sigh>. I should have seen the
bralessness coming...one of MY bridesmaids couldn't be bothered to get a
bra either....then again, *all* my attendants were larger than me, so
what difference did it really make? (and no, they weren't chosen to
make me look skinny - mother was honor attendant, godmother was an
attendant, and a friend was my last attendant...they all just happened
to be bigger).
L
CNYstitcher
professional". BTW, she takes any opportunity to slam anybody who makes
a mistake..just one of her highs, I suppose
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>I told them they needed to get bras
Oh for heaven's sake - these are supposed to be grown women! Are none of
them capable of acting their age rather than their shoe size? Let's just
hope none of them are ever allowed to breed ...
CNYstitcher
sure of the plans of the attendants, not really concerned either
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>LOL..the bride already has one daughter and another due in July...not
>sure of the plans of the attendants, not really concerned either
>
what causes it, from the look of her.
Ellison
Thank you!
I admire the craftsmanship and seamstressyness that went
into the "gowns", Larissa,
but I really question the choice these women
made as to "style"-- in this case, very little of it. <g>
Why, oh why!!! do brides and their attendants (and more often
it's the bride rather than her willing minions) choose such
unflattering, sometimes just downright ugly dresses to wear in a
bridal pageant? (It is a pageant, isn't it? Who could believe this
is Real Life? <g>) Does the bride think she looks "good" just
because she looks (a little) better (or just different) than the ladies
standing behind/beside her?
[I've only worn a bridesmaid dress, once, and looked pretty damn' good;
I was 17, curvy in the right places, the deep gold color of the
form fitted dress complimented me quite nicely. And I looked a lot
better than the bride, the pushy cow; can't figure out why my brother
married her twice (the divorces, I understood).]
Anyway, AJH, thanks for the critical analysis.
(How come "no email address supplied"? Couldn't you make one up?)
Ragmop/Sandy--rambling, not a fan of wedding pageantry,
altho' I've been both a wedding coordinator and the photographer's
assistant-- well, that may explain it ;-D
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>I told them they needed to get bras....when I got there to help with any
>last minute adjustments, the bridesmaids were taping themselves in place
>with duct tape!!!
Have you seen this picture?
http://www.indyattic.com/pics/priceless.jpg
It was part of a package going around the email circuit a couple of years
ago.
A
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> ROFL ... too bad you didn't get paid for the dress, but hey, what a story
> to tell, especially when we are all in the Quilters Retirement Home!!
> PAT
> PS: Did you get to the wedding as a guest? Just nosy!
I fired a bridesmaid. She didn't want to buy the same dress that everybody
else was wearing. My bridesmaids were coming in from various parts of the
country, so I picked an $89.00 dress from JC Penney's Bridal Catalog so they
could all get it with minimal effort.
One of them lives near a JCP outlet store, and she got really mad when I
wouldn't let her substitute a "similar" dress she found there. She said she
wouldn't buy the dress and so.....she came to the wedding as a guest.
A
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underwear to an old cow like me - UNDER their clothing. Nowdays the
underwear is their outerwear. I can't find slips to buy because no one
wears them. i have to make my own. I don't have boobs and so don't need
bras now but I have seen women wearing bras as outerwear. My son customizes
cars and his younger men friends who hang out in our garage have girl
friends that drop by and i am amazed at how they dress. And have you seen
what little girls are wearing? --- or not wearing as the case may be. Too
many christina Aguilar wanna bes.
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> Anyway, AJH, thanks for the critical analysis.
> (How come "no email address supplied"? Couldn't you make one up?)
No, it's because she doesn't want everybody to know her address is
{MFFTYMFFMFFMFF at MFFMTYMFMFFMF dot MFF] *BEG*
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> (How come "no email address supplied"? Couldn't you make one up?)
this forum decided it was too difficult for their little brains and that
therefore they would be bitchy to me over it. I stopped putting my
address directly some years ago because I got sick of all the spam it
attracted. If anyone needs to contact me outside the group, they just
have to ask nicely.
Sharon Harper
bridesmaid's ($90 from a boutique chain) and for the 3 flower girls ($35
from a local department store chain). They wore their choice of shoes and I
gave them some pretty jewellery as a gift - they got to keep
dresses/jewellery as a gift
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what happened. He said, "Tape." I've learned it isn't always a good thing to
dig deeper with him. LOL So a week later he mentioned he was getting 'fuzzy'
over his lip (he's 12). I said, "Oh ya? I don't see anything." He said,
"That's cuz I got it off with duct tape." I then knew what had happened to
his lip. LOL I looked at him and said, "When you begin to 'fuzz' in other
areas, keep in mind how much that lip hurt, please!"
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>I solved the problem - I picked and purchased the dresses for my
> bridesmaid's ($90 from a boutique chain) and for the 3 flower girls ($35
> from a local department store chain). They wore their choice of shoes and
> I
> gave them some pretty jewellery as a gift - they got to keep
> dresses/jewellery as a gift
I thought I would be expected to buy the dresses, but the books said no. I
did fly them in though, even the one who was fired. I already had the
ticket, and she was still my friend, ya know?
A
melinda
> I solved the problem - I picked and purchased the dresses for my
> bridesmaid's ($90 from a boutique chain) and for the 3 flower girls ($35
> from a local department store chain). They wore their choice of shoes and I
> gave them some pretty jewellery as a gift - they got to keep
> dresses/jewellery as a gift
One of mum's sisters made the bridesmaid dresses for both my wedding
and my sisters wedding, my sister got us matching necklaces I've still
got the dress. I got my bridesmaids similar celtic knot cross pendants
and chains. From memory they only had to pay for material, the labour
in making the dresses was part of the wedding present.
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doesn't it hurt like hell when you pull it out????
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also by buying I knew I'd get exactly what I wanted.
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went down to Winnemucca, Nevada, & got married at the court house! The most
important two people were there - me 'n' him! No arguments about who wore
what, or who paid for what!! :-)
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> One bridesmaid was my future SIL and the other my bestest friend. I guess
> also by buying I knew I'd get exactly what I wanted.
>
Well, looking back, I think you made the right choice! If I had done that it
would have saved some grief.
A
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>My son had a sore on his lip a few weeks ago. It looked chapped. I
>asked him what happened. He said, "Tape." I've learned it isn't always
>a good thing to dig deeper with him. LOL So a week later he mentioned
>he was getting 'fuzzy' over his lip (he's 12). I said, "Oh ya? I don't
>see anything." He said, "That's cuz I got it off with duct tape." I
>then knew what had happened to his lip. LOL I looked at him and said,
>"When you begin to 'fuzz' in other areas, keep in mind how much that
>lip hurt, please!"
ROTFLMAO! That's a thought to make your eyes water! I read it out to my
kids (12 and 14) and they looked at each other and winced.
Kate Dicey
SO NO Brazilians for them, huh? Kids these days - no sense of
adventure! ;)
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never heard of the bridesmaids having to pay for their dresses until my
granddaughter was an attendant at a recent wedding (see pictures in my
family webshots album). Is this something new? Optional?
I bought the brides maid & matron of honor dresses & shoes for my daughters
wedding in 1984. I made the flower girl & candle lighters dresses in the
fabric that I bought. She paid for the gifts for her attendants - pearl
earrings. I paid for the reception and all other wedding costs except
flowers & tux rental for her fiancee and his attendants.
It was the same with my own wedding in 1964. I paid for my attendants
dresses and shoes. I worked and saved all my money for over a year to pay
for my wedding. My parents & grandparents couldn't afford a wedding so I
paid for it. My fiancee paid for the flowers and the tux rentals for his
bestman, groomsmen, ushers and ring bearer. My parents & grandparents paid
jointly for the reception and wedding cake. We were married at the
Cathedral tree at Trees of Mystery in Northern California so there was no
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aisle, I nudged David and said "That woman is wearing my dress!" His
reply was, "You can't possibly know that". I told him to keep watching.
My dress was a tight fit on the one who was wearing it, and never
would have gotten on any of the others.
Maureen
Pat in Virginia wrote:
> ROFL ... too bad you didn't get paid for the dress, but hey, what a
> story to tell, especially when we are all in the Quilters Retirement Home!!
> PAT
> PS: Did you get to the wedding as a guest? Just nosy!
>
> Maureen Wozniak wrote:
>
>> Oh, ho. That reminds me of something I heard about a year after I was
>> fired as a bridesmaid. Was told later by the guy who does my hair,
>> that another bridesmaid told him I was fired because I was better
>> looking than the others. (I never got repaid for that dress either,
>> but some things just aren't worth the fight.)
>>
>> Maureen
>
>
Maureen Wozniak
Although I can't imagine trying to get the tape off! Youch!
Maureen
Maureen Wozniak
sprained my ankle and was under doctor's orders not to wear heels, and
thus refused to wear the 2-inch heels the bride picked out; and 2)
refused to do a bunch of centerpiece sewing for the bride when I was in
the middle of a trial. I did offer to show bride how to do them
herself. And I also threw a shower for the bride after another
bridesmaid called my up and told me I was to be in charge of the shower!!
Maureen
Maureen Wozniak
I bought my dress, the third time was my sister's wedding and my parents
paid for my dress, but I believe the other girls bought theirs.
Maureen
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>And I also threw a shower for the bride after another bridesmaid called
>my up and told me I was to be in charge of the shower!!
What exactly is this "shower" thing? We don't do it in the UK - we
assume they know how to wash ;)
Hanne Gottliebsen
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From my understanding, it is the American alternative to a Hen Night.
Now, I've not been to many of these, but in the UK I have been to two
Hen Nights. One included a student dressed up as a gnome following the
bride-to-be around all night and also a pink stretch limo. The other was
at a camp site, we had a bouncy castle installed and their was a 2 day
competition between the bride-to-be and her sister (with teams) about
the rights to the castle. Think jousting, giant checkers and stuff like
that. In my mind, either were a lot more fun than a night out on the
town would ever be.
Hanne in London
Julia in MN
all of the dresses. Either they or my parents paid for the fabric for
their dresses. I paid for the fabric for my own dress and sewed it
myself. My husband bought my flowers. My parents paid for the other
flowers and the reception (a light lunch at the church). I think the
etiquette books have always said that it was the responsibility of the
attendants to pay for their own dresses. When my kids got married, we
told them how much we would give them to help pay for the wedding and I
bought my daughter's dress; the other parents and the kids themselves
paid for the rest. I made the bridesmaids' dresses for both of my kids'
weddings. The girls paid for the fabric and bought their own shoes. For
DS's wedding, the girls wore dyed-to-match (almost) satin shoes. My
daugher told her attendants to wear any black shoes they wanted; the
dresses were long, so the shoes didn't really show anyhow. The dresses
for DD's wedding cost the girls $50 each; I don't remember how much it
cost the girls for DS's wedding, probably about the same. There are
pictures of DD's wedding on my website.
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right!) gifts with which to start her household. It's probably a carry over
from when a woman would move from her parent's house to her own. She would
need kitchen and bath items. Now that many (most?) have already had a
household of their own of some sort; an apartment, a college dorm room, or
shared quarters with a live-in, the gifts have gotten quite a bit more
extensive and expensive. There are also theme showers, recipes with the
cookware to match the recipe, lingerie, etc. Often silly games are played
that have the bride as the focus in some way. Some are fun, others are
really dumb!
I love the Hen Night with the castle theme. That sounds like a blast!
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the guests "shower" the bride-to-be with gifts. The guests usually play
a few silly little party games and watch the bride-to-be open the gifts.
Some showers have themes, such as a kitchen shower (gifts to be used in
the kitchen) or a personal shower (personal items, such as lingerie).
Traditionally, showers have been a female event, though now there are
sometimes showers for the couple. In that case, gifts are usually
something for the home. For example, my son and his fiancee received
stuff like garden hoses and board games at their shower.
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to hold themselves in. Just getting it stuck to my fingers pulls some
skin off and doesn't feel that great. I can't imagine how much it would
hurt to use it on more....um.....delicate areas.
Larisa
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>"properties" shows a spammer like return address - curiouser and
>curiouser.
you who my ISP is - which is all you need to know. If I were a "spammer"
I'd have hidden it - it isn't rocket science.
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Maroe times. Nothing new and not really "stupid" per se - about on par
with the craze for breast implants. I was large breasted all my adult life
and just can't wrap my head around paying a bunch of money for that torture.
One of the best things that came from my mastectomy was the simple fact that
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> You know I have heard this problem before - and it begs a question. I had
> never heard of the bridesmaids having to pay for their dresses until my
> granddaughter was an attendant at a recent wedding (see pictures in my
> family webshots album). Is this something new? Optional?
Looking it up on-line right now, I found a site that says the bride's father
is supposed to pay for them. At the time I was married the book I used said
they paid for them.
From an etiquette standpoint, I would have guessed that the bride should
pay. That's why I remember it so well.
THe book also said that the hostas are responsible for flying their out of
town guests in, as well as providing lodging food, child care, etc etc etc.
I could never have afforded that. I don't know if it's better to not invite
people you can't fly in, or invite them knowing it's wrong to make them pay
their own way.
Realistically, I think that people do not expect you to pay for their
transportation.
A
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It is a party that traditionally, a friend throws for the bride. Originally
it was intended to "shower " the bride with gifts of items she would need to
set up housekeeping. Now, it sometimes turns into a lingerie party, or
includes the groom also.
A
Hanne Gottliebsen
in midieval (however that is spelt) times to get just the right shape to
fit into some of those dresses. At least that is what I found from my
highly scientific websearches last Summer when I needed medieval garb
for a Summer camp - in the end I did a simple tunic, couldn't quite cope
with the idea of something closefitting in SE Virginia in August...
Hanne in London
Hanne Gottliebsen
bachelorette party until now.
Hanne in London
enigma
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she uses Outhouse Express. i think that she thinks the headers
are called 'properties'...
you do have a rather short concise set of headers though ;)
i don't get spam from my Usenet addy (above) because that ISP
no longer exists. i believe you could figure out my actual
addy from the headers & i see no reason to change my shown
address. i've used it for over 10 years
lee
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>
>she uses Outhouse Express. i think that she thinks the headers are
>called 'properties'...
Explains a lot. Personally I won't allow that product or its big brother
to be installed on our network ...
> you do have a rather short concise set of headers though ;)
And?
> i don't get spam from my Usenet addy (above) because that ISP no
>longer exists. i believe you could figure out my actual addy from the
>headers & i see no reason to change my shown
>address. i've used it for over 10 years
LOL! Then you see what I mean. As I said, I did put a means of
contacting me in my sig, but that didn't suit some folk, so they can do
the other thing. Doesn't bother me.
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>Don't know but I'm blocking it and yours too lee. Tah-tah!
>
without quoting entire posts as your sig) and to contribute something
that's occasionally worth reading.
Ellison
Nah, she's cool. <g> I was just teasing about
her tagline. 'Cause I don't have one. Or I keep changing it.
And, altho' I keep a couple of different programs on the 'puter
to weed out the spam and other trash, I don't disguise
my addy here; that's me: no brain - no worry. <G>
Btw, as I said, I'm not a fan of the Wedding Industry.
Never was. I just don't get it, why a bunch of women want
to look, dress, act, decorate, eat, behave alike. Looking at
the wedding photos in the Sunday newspaper, almost all
the new brides look the same. DH took wedding photos for
a few years (to pay off his photography equipment, a major hobby
at that time <g>), and, again, most of the brides looked the same.
What's with that?
But, since it is the bride's (or her mother's) Big Show, just seems
fair they should pay for it.
Actually, I reckon the bride and groom ought to do the wedding
that pleases them, whatever that is.
I'm told that more weddings up North include a sit-down meal
at the reception, whereas in the South (and other southern areas)
it's cake, punch, & mints. Many a bride soon discovers that
bar-b-ques and wedding gowns don't mix well. ;-D
Getting married is the easy part; all the pageantry is voluntary. <g>
It's living with someone else that takes work, and $$$$$$$$$. ;-D
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> I solved the problem - I picked and purchased the dresses for my
> bridesmaid's ($90 from a boutique chain) and for the 3 flower girls ($35
> from a local department store chain). They wore their choice of shoes and I
> gave them some pretty jewellery as a gift - they got to keep
> dresses/jewellery as a gift
>
This is standard in the UK: bride/brides family pay for the wedding,
which includes all the bridesmaids dresses, shoes, special bra if they
need it - the lot! One of the fun things I was denied was going and
doing all the girly shopping for the undies and shoes: one lived in
Denver, the other in Nairobi, and I was marrying in Hertfordshire here
in England! I did get to make all the dresses! :)
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ASP.att.net uttered
>how old is your son? just curious...
She said he's 12
Paul & Suzie Beckwith
Actually, our Snigs has been on RCTQ a darn sight longer than you have,
and contributes exceedingly worthwhile posts IMHO - if you'd bothered to
do your research before sniping at her.
Thats the trouble with cross-posters - they forget which groups their
messages are going to...
Suzie B
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>The resident muppet who cross posted was the OP...that would be Larisa.
>She posts to both of the groups occasionally.
>Shall we all get back to sewing now? Quilts, corsets.. whichever suits
>ones fancys.
Oops - sorry, Larisa - nothing personal
Pat in Virginia
rival to the traditional Bachelor Party perhaps. I
just heard of it this week. The Bride and the NINE
Maids went to DC over night and partied. Seems a
real costly event! Meantime, the Groom and the
Guys went to Las Vegas (from Virginia!) for the
weekend. This same couple are whining about the
costs of their wedding. (Well, duh!)
PAT, in favor of simple weddings and small extra
events, in VA
Melinda Meahan - remove TRASH to reply
> LOL! Then you see what I mean. As I said, I did put a means of
> contacting me in my sig, but that didn't suit some folk, so they can do
> the other thing. Doesn't bother me.
Let's be honest here. If you had used one of the conventional types of
bowdlerizing or munging of your address, it would have make somebody so
curious as to what it all meant that they would have asked on the group
and then another helpful person wouldn't have explained it to them.
Their explaining it didn't increase your risk of spam; you just didn't
like it, and you're not the first person it has happened to but you are
the first person who has taken massive offense at it.
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their back yard. I made the girls' dresses, 3 sisters, and mom paid for
the fabric. It was a really simple wedding that was quite pleasant. I
just wanted to be married and through with it. It worked Not having a
lot of fussy expectations helped. This August will be 25 years, guess
it took!
Taria
Donna in Idaho wrote:
> Whenever I hear stories like this, I remember all over again why my DH and I
> went down to Winnemucca, Nevada, & got married at the court house! The most
> important two people were there - me 'n' him! No arguments about who wore
> what, or who paid for what!! :-)
Taria
shower for him!
When I got bra sizes in a wedding shower invite I decided I really
wasn't into all theme showers. Am I the only one who has tough time
when the couple has been shacking up for an extended time and then
want lingerie?
Taria
CNYstitcher
up for a while, I would have bought a pack of condoms and sent it to
them instead of bothering with lingerie or anything, but then, that's
just me and my sense of humor
CNYstitcher
bachelorette party..well, me and my bridesmaid. The group having the
bachelorette party was comprised of mostly girls from my college soroity
(briefly lived) and we were invited to join them. It was rather
pointless, since all they waznted to do was get drunk and be stupid. I
think I had a total of 3 drinks the entire night, then took my
bridesmaid back home and crashed. Sad thing was that the drinking party
was the night before *that* brides wedding....I still had 3 weeks before
mine, so I didn't have to worry about a hangover.
Closest thing I had to a bachelorette party was mom, godmother, and me
just hanging out, making last minute dress adjustments and watching tv
while drinking tea with our feet up.
Larisa
melinda
> In rec.crafts.textiles.quilting Sharon Harper <shar...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > I solved the problem - I picked and purchased the dresses for my
> > bridesmaid's ($90 from a boutique chain) and for the 3 flower girls ($35
> > from a local department store chain). They wore their choice of shoes and I
> > gave them some pretty jewellery as a gift - they got to keep
> > dresses/jewellery as a gift
> One of mum's sisters made the bridesmaid dresses for both my wedding
> and my sisters wedding, my sister got us matching necklaces I've still
> got the dress. I got my bridesmaids similar celtic knot cross pendants
> and chains. From memory they only had to pay for material, the labour
> in making the dresses was part of the wedding present.
I just remembered that the bridesmaids didn't have to pay for the
material, that was part of the present. We/they did have to buy
shoes and underwear.
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talk about) are mostly about partying and getting very drunk. Me, I'm
not particularly in to the getting drunk for the sake of it type party.
Thankfully, neither are my close friends.
That's why we've had a lot of fun arranging "treasure hunt" parties (one
was the one with the live garden gnome in it) and fun weekends away. A
couple of times I have travelled to the cost of around $100, but then I
usually just stay with friends or we camp, so the rest of the party is
low cost. I think something unusual is more memorable, no? I guess I
just don't see the big difference between being drunk in SE VA and being
drunk in DC/Vegas. Or maybe I'm just cheap :-) More money for fabric
that way...
Hanne in London
Maureen Wozniak
"shower" her with gifts, usually household sort of stuff.
Maureen
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them they will go away. i'd vote to feed them to the gators but we
determined it would give the poor sweet gators flatulance and that would be
cruel & inhumane to the darling gators.
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> town guests in,
The hostas!?!?! I didn't know they had that kind of money... I'll go out in to
the garden and give mine a what-for! They better cough it up!!!!! <BEG>
Couldn't resist...
giggle
Cappy
Sally Swindells
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>Generally, its a girls party where the bride's friends or relatives
>"shower" her with gifts, usually household sort of stuff.
>> What exactly is this "shower" thing? We don't do it in the UK - we
>> assume they know how to wash ;)
>>
A little confused. If the shower is for the brides girl friends, and
they are for relatively inexpensive gifts, do they give wedding
presents too if they are invited to the wedding and want to buy a more
expensive gift, or is it for people who aren't invited to the wedding?
DD is finding it difficult writing a normal wedding present list -
does not feel comfortable saying what she would like, and says it
feels like asking for presents. Think I have convinced her that this
is the only way to avoid 6 toast-racks.
When we were staying with friends in LA they had been invited to a
baby shower and we went too, which involved stopping off en route to
buy a gift. When we arrived the mother-to-be (who we had never met)
had gone home, so we just handed over our gift, and had a drink and
some little eats and come away. Seemed strange - here we send a gift
to a new baby after it is born.
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that cutsie pie stuff. Those silly games just drive me nuts. I send a gift
with my regrets - early.
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LOL! I knew I should have invested in a sprinkler system.
Hmph.
A
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together - second marriages - etc. I'm an old f**t who needs to change my
way of thinking. What the hey - if they pay for it, they have every right
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There lies the question: just how much do you give?
Gifts before the wedding for the shower(s), gifts for the
wedding, and sometimes a cash gift asked for at the wedding
(kidnapping the bride, expecting a cash ransom), and then,
in more than one case, gifts for the baby shower(s) within
the next few months. Pity the poor attendants who have
to pay for their own livery, too.
Etiquette experts tell us we don't have to give shower gifts,
we don't have to go to the showers. But even if we don't
attend the wedding, if we get an invitation, we should send a gift.
Ya' know, it sounds like the people who make up these rules
are in on the game, the Wedding Industry game. <g>
Ragmop/Sandy--ignoring their rules, and those registry lists;
now if they want to talk trade, stash enhancement, ... LOL!!!
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Taria
'the mom to be probably spent several hours filling out the
registry, we should buy off of it'. I returned the comment
"I spent over a week making a quilt, I'm not feeling bad".
She then added, well everyone would rather a quilt than any of
the stuff you can buy. Quilt is here:
> http://home1.gte.net/res6mc9p/tlw/taria/pages/main_quilt_photo_page.html
Second to the last one of the bunch. Babies are so fun to buy/do for.
Wedding couples are a whole other thing!
Taria
Sandy Foster
Taria <taria...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Baby shower I attended a few weeks ago we got the comment that
> 'the mom to be probably spent several hours filling out the
> registry, we should buy off of it'. I returned the comment
> "I spent over a week making a quilt, I'm not feeling bad".
> She then added, well everyone would rather a quilt than any of
> the stuff you can buy. Quilt is here:
> > http://home1.gte.net/res6mc9p/tlw/taria/pages/main_quilt_photo_page.html
>
> Second to the last one of the bunch. Babies are so fun to buy/do for.
> Wedding couples are a whole other thing!
I certainly wouldn't feel bad about that quilt, Taria! <g> It's adorable!
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Taria
30's fabric and they were fun to work with.
Taria
Kate Dicey
> I also have a problem with this. Personally, if they had b een shacking
> up for a while, I would have bought a pack of condoms and sent it to
> them instead of bothering with lingerie or anything, but then, that's
> just me and my sense of humor
Such showers do not exist here in the UK. I lived with DH for three
years before we married: *HE* wanted the church wedding with all the
trimmings! Felt he wouldn't be properly married without it! The family
enjoyed it too. My sisters, carefully and separately, had Stern Words
about with me about being bridesmaids: NO! NOT EVEN IF I PAID THEM!!! I
thought it was funny, but it did cause some comment, and not a few
giggles when I said, no, I hadn't even asked them because they told me
not to!
Luckily they returned the complement: Little Sis asked her best friend,
but I got to make her dress, and Big Sis avoided the whole argument by
remaining single.
As for presents... Well I put together a list after so many people
started asking what we wanted and said : But you *MUST* have wedding
presents! As most of the stuff we'd been using was a cobbled together
collection of what we got from DH's dad when he remarried and gave us
the contents of his house after MIL had (quite rightly) her pick, and
what the two of us had acquired as students, it was nice to have
matching china, and iron that didn't singe things, a slow
cooker/crockpot, nice new towels (mine had spent 4 years at boarding
school, followed by 3 at college!), and decent cooking pots!
Kate Dicey
> I had a bridal shower, and joined friends that night for another
> bachelorette party..well, me and my bridesmaid. The group having the
> bachelorette party was comprised of mostly girls from my college soroity
> (briefly lived) and we were invited to join them. It was rather
> pointless, since all they waznted to do was get drunk and be stupid. I
> think I had a total of 3 drinks the entire night, then took my
> bridesmaid back home and crashed. Sad thing was that the drinking party
> was the night before *that* brides wedding....I still had 3 weeks before
> mine, so I didn't have to worry about a hangover.
>
> Closest thing I had to a bachelorette party was mom, godmother, and me
> just hanging out, making last minute dress adjustments and watching tv
> while drinking tea with our feet up.
>
> Larisa
I stayed with mum the week before the wedding: the night before, my
sisters, mum and I finished the hem on my dress, fixed the waistband on
my 'Going Away' suit, and drank a couple of bottles of white wine while
we nattered...
CNYstitcher
because the grooms mother decided that she was going to stay with them!!
For pete's sake, they just got married!! BEsides, the night DH and i
got married, I had one of my new BILs sleeping on the couch in the
living room (needless to say, I was *not* happy about it, but was glad
that they had reconnected in time for him to attend the wedding). When
we get invited but can't attend, we usually don't send a gift either,
unless it's for family. The only time there was any cash at wedding
I've attended was when they had the dance with the bride/groom and it
was completely optional. As for baby showers, with luck they won't come
as close to the wedding as this one is, but I got a few things that were
considered needed items, not the cutsey little shoes and such that were
on her list because chances are the little one will outgrow them before
she even wears them!!
Larisa
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have worn white because not that many knew I was stupidly married at 19
and divorced at 21, but I wouldn't touch a white dress with a 10 foot
pole....the candlelight was a nice compromise
DrQuilter
weddings, all the traditions such as bridesmaids, showers, etc. We don't
have any of that. I am not even sure I know who is supposed to pay for
it, I guess the woman's parents... you get a dress, have a party and a
cake and a honeymoon, but you don't fly guests in, or have bridesmaids
or ushers or anything like that...
Pat in Virginia wrote:
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recall her first line...
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> ms. suzie this is troll and just trying to stir up a mess. If we don't feed
> them they will go away. i'd vote to feed them to the gators but we
> determined it would give the poor sweet gators flatulance and that would be
> cruel & inhumane to the darling gators.
>
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> THe book also said that the hostas are responsible for flying their
> out of town guests in,
I didn't realise the slugs and snails in my garden were flown in... makes
sense, when I think of how many there are. They've obviously lost the return
portions of their tickets.
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Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
Maureen Wozniak
who is not invited to the wedding. (Not that etiquette stops some
greedy bridezillas out there). In theory, the shower gifts are to be
relatively inexpensive. Then, at the wedding, one would bring a more
expensive or lavish gift.
Maureen
Maureen Wozniak
Maureen