glass with framing?
Nancy Marino
about the results. I realize that for conservation purposes, and to
help keep the piece clean, glass is a good idea. But it has detracted
from the textural appeal of the work: the French knots seem to melt
into the fabric, the metallics don't glimmer as much, etc.
What are your opinions on the advantages/disadvantages of glass for
the framing of x-stitch and other embroidery?
Nancy Marino
Patrick J. Gomes
>> What are your opinions on the advantages/disadvantages of glass for
>> the framing of x-stitch and other embroidery?
>
> becuase moisture can be trapped behind the glass and eventually damage
> the work.
I always frame using glass. I have in the past let the glass smash up
against the fabric, but I always use spaces or mat to keep the glass just
off the fabric. We have moved a lot and I find that it does protect the
pieces. I lived in Guatemala and couldn't get a more humid climate, and
have only had 2 things get moisture on them, both of which were framed
down there, great frames, not good at handling needlework. I redid them
using foam core and spacers and now no problem. If you do use spacers and
plain glass, not non-glare, you do see the dimension of the work. and the
protection is worth it imho. Anne in MD
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Marialyce Lavelle
ME" to everyone who does not stitch! With the use of mats or spacers I
have not had anything come out looking squashed or lacking in texture,
and I have used some pretty good sized crystals and pearls in my work.
The very thought of anyone touching the work I've spent so many hours
doing sends shivers up my spine.
Marialyce
Paul and Marcia
stain potential (kitchen, dining room, bath). I try not to use glass
on pieces with a lot of texture. I framed 'Earthdancer' under glass
and then removed it because I thought it blocked too much texture.
Marcia
JulieAnn Hirsch
not having glass. Part of an Algerian eye is now gone (heaven only knows
how that happened...) and people get right up close and _touch_ the
fabric!!
Michael's has a new non-reflective glass called "Presentation". It is not
the distorting "non-glare". The glass has the same non-reflective coating
as what you can get put on eyeglasses now.
This is on my 2 latest framings, and I highly recommend it. It's got the
benefits of glass, but until you're up close and personal, you can't see
that it's there.
JulieAnn
Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of 3M.
Mary
>Nancy Marino (mar...@pilot.msu.edu) wrote:
>> I have just had a sampler framed with glass, and have mixed emotions
>> about the results. I realize that for conservation purposes, and to
>> help keep the piece clean, glass is a good idea. But it has detracted
>> from the textural appeal of the work: the French knots seem to melt
>> into the fabric, the metallics don't glimmer as much, etc.
>> What are your opinions on the advantages/disadvantages of glass for
>> the framing of x-stitch and other embroidery?
>
I only use glass if it is going to be in a bathroom or kitchen, where
there is a possibility of grease in the air. I never thought about
the dampness getting in under the glass. Actually, the one bathroom
where I have something is rarely if ever used for showers, so I
probably wouldn't notice.
If you do want to use glas, be sure and pay a little extra for the
non-glare glass. You can preserve your texture somewhat by making
sure the framer puts in either an extra layer of matting, or other
spacer between the work and the glass, but again, that adds to the
cost.
--
Mary mrb...@redshift.com
"This, too, shall pass."
Stephanie Cowans
I've noticed that when a fellow stitcher looks at a piece, that person will
usually examine it closely front and back (if not framed) without touching
it, but a non-stitcher will want to touch and feel the piece without really
looking at the stitchwork. This has always been my experience, so I ALWAYS
frame my work with glass (clear, NOT the non-glare) to keep anyone from
getting that touchy-feely feeling in their fingertips.
Stephanie Cowans
stephani...@jpl.nasa.gov
Lance S. Hopenwasser
>
> I've noticed that when a fellow stitcher looks at a piece, that person will
> usually examine it closely front and back (if not framed) without touching
> it, but a non-stitcher will want to touch and feel the piece without really
> looking at the stitchwork. This has always been my experience, so I ALWAYS
> frame my work with glass (clear, NOT the non-glare) to keep anyone from
> getting that touchy-feely feeling in their fingertips.
Hmm. As I am fairly new to cross-stitching, I must be in a sort of
transitional phase. I have noticed that now I do look carefully at the
front and back of pieces (I NEVER used to look that the back). Actually,
I wouldn't dream of pawing somebody's framed masterpiece, but you have to
admit that the feel of the stitches under your fingers is indeed a simple
pleasure. At least to me, that is one of the joys of doing the stitching
in the first place.
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Cynde D. Beals
sus...@aztec.asu.edu (SUSAN TANIGUCHI) wrote:
>
>
>Everything except a bell pull is framed with glass. The area that
>I live in is soooo dusty I am afraid that things wond't last as long
>unless they are protected by glass.
My house is the same way...but it has nothing to do with the area I live
in...I think I have more to do with it (oh, is that what a feather duster
is for!!!)
Cynde
C. Beals cbe...@pillarco.com
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Melinda Coss
> Some people suggest that you should not cover embroidery with glass
> because a blind person cannot then enjoy it. The only thing I
> complain about is when the cussed cat sharpens his claws on my Kaffe
> Fassett stool cover.
>
> Robert Tusler, Surrey, England
> rtu...@cix.compulink.co.uk
He's a cat with fine taste - think yourself lucky he's not sharpening
his claws on your leg.
Melinda
co...@rci.rogers.com
>From: npa...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (naomi pardue)
>Subject: Re: glass with framing?
>Date: 29 Feb 1996 14:41:31 GMT
>Cynde D. Beals (cbe...@widomaker.com) wrote:
>> In article <4h2nuf$f...@news.asu.edu>,
>> sus...@aztec.asu.edu (SUSAN TANIGUCHI) wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Everything except a bell pull is framed with glass. The area that
>> >I live in is soooo dusty I am afraid that things wond't last as long
>> >unless they are protected by glass.
>I'm finding this thread interesting. WHile I'll admit that my OLDEST
>project isn't all that old; (I've only been stitching for about 8 years),
>I can find no sign on damage on any of my projects, and they've all been
>on the walls of my very dusty home without glass. (Never had a visitor
>try to touch them either...)
>Naomi
I've only been stitching for about 8 years myself. I have put glass over
projects I've completed for friends, however my finest piece of work is one
of a couple walking down a path in the fall with the phrase "First a dream, a
plan for life, heart in hand, Man and Wife". I completed it to mark the
wedding of my husband and me and changed the hair and clothing colours to
resemble us more closely. I had it professionally framed with suede-like mats
which had much richer colours than traditional mats. I chose not to put glass
over this one because the colours and texture of the piece and mats would lose
their impact.
This piece has received quite a bit of attention in our home and not one
guest has dared to raise a hand to touch it.
Cathy
Betty David
who taught the "Framing & Finishing" class at the Des Moines, Iowa,
Spirit of Cross Stitch Festival last fall said, "IF you decide to
use glass in framing, never, Never, NEVER use non-glare glass!!!"
The reason, she explained, is that to be non-reflective it absorbs
light. And where does this absorbed light go? Against your precious
work. She showed us a photograph/portrait of her family as an vivid
example. The colors faded and the paper has THINNED even though it
was never in direct sunlight. The portrait was ruined - her insurance
company paid for reprints.... The time was less than 10 years if I
remember correctly.
She felt that non-glare glass greatly accelerates deteriation and will
not use it in her framing shop(s).
She mentioned that there is a relatively new glass that is reflective,
more so that "regular" glass, greater than 90% I think. (They have
some test pieces hanging in her shop using this glass.) It is also
expensive. Just one more factor to consider when framing....
Of course, I took this class only to learn that I had framed the self-
designed wedding sampler for friends ALL WRONG (at least as far as
serious preservation is concerned)! I may try to correct some of my
errors if I can get it off that sticky mounting board.... *shudder*!
I can at least replace the non-glare glass and change to acid-free
matting.
Betty
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sha...@epix.net
Be careful with the non glare glass. I understand it is
chemically treated and will have an effect on the colors
over a period of time. I think clear glass is best. Also,
I often wondered if the polution in the air and the normal
household dust and whatever is floating aroud in the air
is worse than what happens if you have glass on the frame.
I think it is a trade off. I use glass.
Sharon G
Tara
become a bit of an Urban Legend.
Other things I've heard - the non-glare glass emits a gas which destroys
the work, the non-glare glass focuses the light upon the piece like tons
of mini-magnifying glasses.
I've only begun to poke around in the Engineering library on my campus
for insight into this horror against non-glare glass. So far, I haven't
seen one scientific study which would support such tales. What I've
learned about glass has also refuted these claims (glass doesn't emit
strange gasses later, non-glare doesn't have that mini-magnifying
properties). Granted, I'm still learning and am NOT well aquainted with
science, but I can understand conclusions in a thesis.
Does anyone have any scientific proof to why non-glare is so horrible?
The only caveat I have seen thus far with non-glare is that it takes away
from the clarity of the work. It gives the eye a look of a matte
finish. This can be detrimental with stitching - but sometimes it can be
a pleasing effect.
There is a newer type of non-glare on the market, more expensive, but
made only slightly differently from the non-glare that seems to strike
fear into the heart of needleworkers. This other (I have forgotten the
name at the moment) does not provide quite the matte look and thus you
get the non-glare and sharpness of seeing the stitches.
On 1 Mar 1996, Betty David wrote:
> I feel compelled to mention that Marilyn-from-Stoney-Creek (Vande???),
> who taught the "Framing & Finishing" class at the Des Moines, Iowa,
> Spirit of Cross Stitch Festival last fall said, "IF you decide to
> use glass in framing, never, Never, NEVER use non-glare glass!!!"
>
> The reason, she explained, is that to be non-reflective it absorbs
> light. And where does this absorbed light go? Against your precious
> work. She showed us a photograph/portrait of her family as an vivid
> example. The colors faded and the paper has THINNED even though it
> was never in direct sunlight. The portrait was ruined - her insurance
> company paid for reprints.... The time was less than 10 years if I
> remember correctly.
Tara R. Scholtz University of Maryland at College Park
ta...@wam.umd.edu or ts...@umail.umd.edu McKeldin Library
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Marc Hache
most conservators would prefer you to use non glare glass because it
reflects UV rays. This is the damaging part of the suns rays. As for
absorbing the rays then releasing them I don't think so. The glas has
little faults in it which reflects light. The reason you can loose
the sharpness of the image is because of these faults. The best thing
you can do for your needle work is not to put it in direct sunlight to
begin with. Don't hang it on a wall that has a heating duct in it and
don't hang it where heat is pouring on to it. The other thing is
don't hang it in a damp area if you can help it. If conservators had
their way though you wouldn't even see your work it would be stored
away safely. The thing I would do is go to my local museum to see if
they can put you in touch with atextile conservator. We've had some
in at guild meetings and they are worth listening to if you ask me.
Maria Hache
mjah...@atcon.com
sha...@epix.net
I just received an e-mail regarding the chemical reaction
of non glare glass. The original information was given to
me by my framer, who I trust. However, I was just told
there was no proof that this is so and it is only a rumor
that has been around for a while.
So, as suggested to me, go to the library and check it
out if it is important to you. I just want to set the
record straight and correct some incorrect info I was
given.
Sharon G
Phyllis Gilmore
If there are smokers in the house, a frame with glass
might be a good idea. If cigarette smoke can turn white
walls yellow over time, I imagine it can do the same for
fabric--and who knows if there is some related
deterioration of the materials, too.
Just a thought.
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to the kitchen mine is under glass. At the time I decided on non-glare
because it seemed to show off the piece and the texture of the stitches
better. Great care (and expense) was taken to make sure acid free mats
spacers etc were used for this piece.
Ruth Anne Schroeder
Cindy Swafford
>
> In article <4hmvup$k...@news2.widomaker.com>, cbe...@widomaker.com (Cynde D. Beals) writes:
> > I have to put them under glass, I have killer dust bunnies! Someone told me
> > once that they would go away if I dusted once-in-awhile - what a silly
> > idea!
> >
> > Cynde
>
> Nah! That's just a hoax, rather like the "Good Times" virus--a nasty rumor
> started by some anti-needlework grinch! ;-)
>
> Robin P.
> pan...@clp2.clpgh.org
Send them to my house. I think mine are holding a convention!
--
Cindy
Never get all your ducks in a row.
It just makes them an easy target!
8^}
sha...@epix.net
Re: Killer dust Bunnies....I just tell anyone that visits
me I am into FAUX FINISHES....My furniture is flocked.
This also cuts down on the glare.
SHaron G
Rick Wilson
It has been been there for several years and has the piece still has its
original beauty.
A professional framer should have this. I know mine does. The only
pieces I do not frame this way are any that I enter in competitions.
If I can help you as to where my framer gets this glass, I will let you
know.
Barb
That Funky Chick
: If you have a REALLY HUGE piece, you won't be able to use this.
: I know, because our big pastel (3x4 feet) had to be framed in
: regular glass. The mat was handmade, as no mat board is that
: big. They used wood, wrapped in linen.
I wonder if they make non-glare plexiglas? We often used plexi on really
large pieces if the customer wanted to use a thin wooden frame as well
(i.e. if the frame were too thin and weak to suppport the weight of a
piece of glass that large).
Although plexi is hideously expensive--non-glare is usually twice the
cost of regular, and plexi is about three times as much as regular glass.