Further reason in favor of working copies...
Velvet
... all I have left is the dress, a little bit on the Sash, the ribbon
and the harp. For weeks, I've left everything where I stitch, followed
MLI's wishes in no working copies made.
And today, 2 weeks before she needs to be finished, my Daughter decides
she wants to make mommy's picture pretty. The whole thing marked up in
dark hilighter - almost impossible for me to figure out what I've
stitched and what I haven't, where I left off in spots ... and there's
no possible way I can make it to the NSLNS before this weekend. Even
mailed, it would take til Thursday or Friday before the pattern showed
up.
Needless to say, I'm NOT happy. OTOH, it could have been worse - it
could have been on the actual stitched piece. I'm still not happy.
--
Jen Persinger (off to figure out if she can salvage any of it)
vel...@rootaction.net
Sally
wrote on 7/17/01 2:17 PM:
> I've been working my tail off on Angel of Hope. She's maybe 2/3 done
> ... all I have left is the dress, a little bit on the Sash, the ribbon
> and the harp. For weeks, I've left everything where I stitch, followed
> MLI's wishes in no working copies made.
Well... that makes you *much* better than me... my stuff gets dragged to
work and home and back again.. <G>... and then there's the nights when I'm
too pooped to stitch, so I drag out just the charts and take a look-see at
them so I can dream of them stitching themselves in my sleep. <G>... in
other words, my stuff is scattered everywhere! LOL
>
> And today, 2 weeks before she needs to be finished, my Daughter decides
> she wants to make mommy's picture pretty. The whole thing marked up in
> dark hilighter - almost impossible for me to figure out what I've
> stitched and what I haven't, where I left off in spots ... and there's
> no possible way I can make it to the NSLNS before this weekend. Even
> mailed, it would take til Thursday or Friday before the pattern showed
> up.
Not good. Is the daughter still alive to tell about it?!?!?
>
> Needless to say, I'm NOT happy. OTOH, it could have been worse - it
> could have been on the actual stitched piece. I'm still not happy.
I'm starting to really *not* like huge charts that fold out 18 times. There
is no way one of those would survive me working on it... and it's difficult
to make working copies of those as well. My nest just isn't set up to
accommodate those big charts!
Sally
Jolene
Put the destroyed pattern in a box, wrap with beautiful shiny white paper
and a big white bow. Add a tag that says "DD's wedding present". Store it in
a closet until 2021. You'll feel better. Good luck, Jolene
"Velvet" <vel...@rootaction.net> wrote in message
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F.James Cripwell
Jen, Marilyn has a standing offer that if you return the pattern
to her, you will receive a brand new one at no cost. Barbara Joyce can
make all the necessary arrangements for you. HTH.
--
Jim Cripwell.
Thoughts from a confused philosopher.
If a husband speaks in a forest and his wife does not hear him,
is he still wrong?
Velvet
>
> Jen, email Marilyn asap and she'll send you a new copy.
> Put the destroyed pattern in a box, wrap with beautiful shiny white paper
> and a big white bow. Add a tag that says "DD's wedding present". Store it in
> a closet until 2021. You'll feel better. Good luck, Jolene
*LOL* I may still do that! It's allllll sorts of pretty colors, since
I wsa trying to keep track of stitch counts (failed miserably). Like I
said in my last post, I think I've managed to save it (tho it will be
going back to Marilyn when I'm done for a clean copy), so there's still
hope yet. It was a matter of finding yet another color & me cooling
down :)
--
Jen Persinger
vel...@rootaction.net
Velvet
> Not good. Is the daughter still alive to tell about it?!?!?
Yes. Of course, she's spent much of today in her room being punished
for this that & the other. The hilighter pen incident was just to start
things off. It's not really worth stressing over. Now that I've had
time to go over it, I can actually salvage most of it - it was a matter
of marking things off in yet another color, and sitting down with what I
have stitched to find out where I left off. I think I missed a couple
of spots (hilited where I shouldn't have), but for the most part,
salvageable.
> I'm starting to really *not* like huge charts that fold out 18 times. There
> is no way one of those would survive me working on it... and it's difficult
> to make working copies of those as well. My nest just isn't set up to
> accommodate those big charts!
Neither is mine. It's all just a matter of how you want to fold it. I
made DH buy me an end table so I at least had something to put the
pattern on ... and got one of those LoRan magnetic boards & stands ...
so the stand isn't meant to accomodate the larger boards, it still works
fairly okay. That's helped tons.
--
Jen Persinger
vel...@rootaction.net
April Burd
give the copies to anyone else and they are destroyed when I'm finished
with the piece most designers wouldn't have a problem with it. Most of my
charts come from books and I would be loathe to mark in them. I use the
copy utility on our scanner to make a duplicate. If it's one of those huge
charts that would end up folded 18 times I split it up to several papers,
the only problem with this is that you have to make certain to mark off any
duplicated lines. Then I'm only dealing with one 81/2"x11" piece of paper
at a time, then I can mark stitch counts and what is done and anything else
that I do.
I know that many designers would replace the chart if need be but I have
had problems in the past. DS decided that mommy's chart for a little piece
I'm doing for MIL made a great teething toy. I wrote to Janlynn for a new
chart and they happily obliged. Unfortunately they sent me ONLY the chart
and not the key for what symbol goes with what color. Now I'm trying to
decipher it for myself.
Sally
ani...@animaux.net0 wrote on 7/17/01 3:34 PM:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:42:05 -0600, Sally <bead...@rmi.net> wrote:
>
>
>> I'm starting to really *not* like huge charts that fold out 18 times. There
>> is no way one of those would survive me working on it... and it's difficult
>> to make working copies of those as well. My nest just isn't set up to
>> accommodate those big charts!
>>
>> Sally
>
> I may not be popular for saying this, but I make a working copy of everything
> I
> stitch. Several, actually. I have them made at Kinkos in their large machine,
> which plotts them out for 2 dollars. I make one like that, and several other
> smaller ones because I like to use a fresh copy if mine gets too marked up. I
> get rid of all the copies when finished. I don't trade copies (any more) and
> I
> don't sell anything I stitch, but I will trade original charts if I want. I
> don't think there's any issue with that.
>
> Victoria
>
>
> http://www.freetibet.org
Hey Victoria....
You know I am *****so***** pro-copyright (because I really believe the
designers shouldn't be cheated!)...
But, like you, I make a working copy of *everything* I have going on. I
make such a mess out of charts, there is no way they would survive the time
it takes me to stitch something to its completion. <G>
You should see all the darling little puppy teethy marks in the corners of
some charts I have in my canvas stash bag... where all the original charts
go to live while I gather the stuff they need (as I try to score all the
components on sale or when they're available).
They look like someone took a hundred little pins to the corners.
How cute. :)
Sally
Pat Porter
make a working copy - I destroy it afterwards and my concience is clear
whatever the wishes of the designer, I`m afraid!
I do my own charts in book form, in the largest size format I can, and also
put a clause in allowing a working copy to be made.
Pat P.
East Anglian Xstitch Designs
http://homepages.tesco.net/~porter
Old village scenes
ICQ 76178325
Sally <bead...@rmi.net> wrote in message
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That Funky Chick
muttered something like:
>I may not be popular for saying this, but I make a working copy of everything I
>stitch. Several, actually. I have them made at Kinkos in their large machine,
>which plotts them out for 2 dollars. I make one like that, and several other
>smaller ones because I like to use a fresh copy if mine gets too marked up. I
>get rid of all the copies when finished. I don't trade copies (any more) and I
>don't sell anything I stitch, but I will trade original charts if I want. I
>don't think there's any issue with that.
I do the same thing most of the time. I made copies of TW's Fantasy
Sampler so I could work from the copy and not fold up the chart. It took
me something like four years, off and on, to finish it--if I'd been
folding it back and forth all that time the symbols in the crease would
have been illegible (if it had still been together at all!).
When I finished it I took the copies to work and stuck 'em in the paper
shredder. Hey, I'm another anal retentive, what can I say. But my
original chart is still in good condition. Not that I'll ever stitch that
huge piece again--but I still have the chart in my stash, and THAT'S the
important thing!
-Bertha
--
Always make allowances for the duh factor.
Gill Murray
Just send an email to IMLs website , http://www.tiag.com/ . She has always
said she will replace any damaged charts, and I really believe her.
PS, thanks for the input on cross-stitch criteria.They have corresponded
with me, and I feel very comfortable that they are indeed a bona fide
company.
Gillian
central Florida
"Velvet" <vel...@rootaction.net> wrote in message
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Karen C - California
a dear and trusted friend. She had a severe stroke, and while she was in the
hospital, her husband tossed her work-bag in the trash because he couldn't
stand to look at it knowing she'd never be able to do needlework again. When I
asked for my chart back, he apologized sincerely, but that didn't help me with
finding a replacement.
Now, I make sure that anyone who borrows a book or chart from me keeps the
original someplace safe and obvious like the china hutch with a note attached
"return to Karen C", and only the working copies go in their work-bag.
--
Finished 6/12/01 - June Gemstone Dragon
WIP: Angel of Autumn, Calif Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe
Paralegal - Editor - Researcher
http://www.craft-searcher.com/kmc/index.html
Don't risk your on-line privileges! I report all Spam.
PaulaB
> charts that would end up folded 18 times I split it up to several papers,
> the only problem with this is that you have to make certain to mark off any
> duplicated lines.
I just trim the excess, including duplicated lines, and then I can put
the next sheet right up against it and tape them together with
removeable tape when I am doing that section. When I'm ready to go on
to the next sheet the tape comes off and the first sheet gets tossed.
I usually leave margins on one of the two sheets that I'm working with
so I have something to tape to. Removeable tape is sometimes hard to
find, but my framer sold me a roll (for a Diane Evans chart that had
25 pages!). HTH Paula B.
s.e.l
pattern until I found this newsgroup. Even working on Flower Power for 5
years - I used a lot of tape to keep those pages taped together, but it
never crossed my mind to photocopy it. The main reason may be that I don't
mark my patterns at all. I might put a dot in the center so I can remind
myself where I started from. But I've never had to mark off what I've
stitched. Good vision I guess.
Lately, however, I'm having a heck of a time seeing anything. I knew I
shouldn't have gone to the eye doctor ! Apparently I'm losing even more
sight in my one eye, which is really throwing things out of whack. It's
very near sighted, and my "good" eye is now becoming far sighted. And I'm
confused :) I don't necessarily need a working copy to mark things off
on - I just need an "enlarged" copy. I shudder to think what I'll do when
and if I start one of SB's card patterns - those patterns are so small I'd
need a powerful magnifying glass to see them in the best of time. Let alone
at 4:30 a.m. ! I can't wait until I can afford glasses to that I no longer
need the enlarged copy. For whatever reason I'm not crazy about working off
a photocopy. I think it's because I paid for that original chart - in some
cases a whole lot of moolah. And I go out of my way to take good care of
them. I simply like working from the originals. Call me weird. I know I
am !
But I can understand why some people make working copies. Thinking about the
amount of travelling, moving, packing and unpacking I did with Flower
Power - it's a miracle I didn't lose that pattern 20 times over. And it
looks like it's been through the war and back :)
Shannon
姣 My mind works like lightning -- one brilliant flash and it's gone ! 姣
Toronto, ON, Canada
WIP: Angel of Love (MLI); Summer Sampler (MLI); Baby sampler; Hearts sampler
(Charland); Golfers (Lynne Nicoletti); Snoopy (kit)
"Velvet" <vel...@rootaction.net> wrote in message
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LL314158
>said she will replace any damaged charts, and I really believe her.
hi,
she will , she replaced three for me..
she is as good as her word about that.. Linda
Russell Miller
next year. But I went to London Drugs and bough those clear report covers. You
get 3 clear covers with 3 binder strips for, um, I believe it was under $2. Then
I just remove the binder strip, bring the page I'm working on to the top of the
pile and replace the binder strip. The whole thing is kept together that way,
and it stays clean to boot! Plus, it's good for working on 3 charts at once.
Maureen In Vancouver, B.C.
PaulaB wrote:
--
Maureen Grace-Miller
April Burd
I'm forever "in trouble" for just tossing things in the trash can the shredder sits
on unshreaded, course if I was really anal retentive I'd make DH take them to work
and toss it in the burn bag to be incinerated. *grins*
victoria wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:28:39 GMT, ber...@mhn.org (That Funky Chick) wrote:
>
> >I do the same thing most of the time. I made copies of TW's Fantasy
> >Sampler so I could work from the copy and not fold up the chart. It took
> >me something like four years, off and on, to finish it--if I'd been
> >folding it back and forth all that time the symbols in the crease would
> >have been illegible (if it had still been together at all!).
> >
> >When I finished it I took the copies to work and stuck 'em in the paper
> >shredder. Hey, I'm another anal retentive, what can I say. But my
> >original chart is still in good condition. Not that I'll ever stitch that
> >huge piece again--but I still have the chart in my stash, and THAT'S the
> >important thing!
> >
> >-Bertha
>
> You are no anal retentive unless you have your own shredder! I have one. But I
> always forget to use it! How silly. I tear the junk mail and the endless
> parade of credit card "already approved" notices.
>
> V
>
> http://www.freetibet.org
That Funky Chick
muttered something like:
>hey, we have our own paper shreder, courtisy of DH's anal retentive paranoia, course
>I'm forever "in trouble" for just tossing things in the trash can the shredder sits
>on unshreaded, course if I was really anal retentive I'd make DH take them to work
>and toss it in the burn bag to be incinerated. *grins*
Hehe... I plan to get my own shredder one day--they're only thirdy bucks
for a a little one.
-Bertha
--
What's that in the road? A head?
Louise Sugar
shreds :)
"That Funky Chick" <ber...@mhn.org> wrote in message
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Liz / Cozit
Louise Sugar wrote:
> I only paid $9.99 at Target and it came with it's own little bin for the
> shreds :)
*g* I've *thought* about getting one of those... not for the privacy and
chart-killing purposes mentioned... but to make my paper trash smaller.
Only thing is I've never gotten around to asking if they take shredded paper
in the recycling stuff here... and there's no way I'd do it and stick in in
the trash, considering the problems with harvesting enough trees to keep the
country in paper and other wood products. (after all, I use mulch right and
left to try to save a bit of time.. not to mention concerve moisture... in my
gardens... gotta do my part *somewhere*)
-Liz
Louise Sugar
shredded bark or cedar mulch
"Liz / Cozit" <co...@home.com> wrote in message
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Cheryl L. Perkins
: Louise Sugar wrote:
: > I only paid $9.99 at Target and it came with it's own little bin for the
: > shreds :)
: *g* I've *thought* about getting one of those... not for the privacy and
: chart-killing purposes mentioned... but to make my paper trash smaller.
: Only thing is I've never gotten around to asking if they take shredded paper
: in the recycling stuff here... and there's no way I'd do it and stick in in
: the trash, considering the problems with harvesting enough trees to keep the
: country in paper and other wood products. (after all, I use mulch right and
: left to try to save a bit of time.. not to mention concerve moisture... in my
: gardens... gotta do my part *somewhere*)
: -Liz
It depends on the recycler. Mine doesn't, but there's one in the city that
does. The problem is, they specialize in going around to businesses and
either collecting the shredded paper or shredding it for you. Of course,
you might have to save your paper up for a while to qualify for the
service..
Cheryl
--
Cheryl Perkins
cper...@stemnet.nf.ca
Martha Fletcher
This is because I use a highlighter to mark where I have stitched so I
can keep track. Especially on large complicated pieces....
Well okay, I highlight the easy ones too as I badly need bifocal
glasses.
I never do a pattern twice so if I mark up a pattern it does not matter
to me. Then I either frame the piece with the pattern or destroy the now
grubby original and my really grubby copy.
But I guess this is a moot point. How is the designer to know you make a
working copy and don't the copyright laws allow for fair use? I would
think a working copy for strictly personal use would constitute fair
use.
If you make a copy and never intend to purchase the original then that
is copyright infringement. Or if you distribute copies of designs that
are not your own then that is dreadful copyright infringement.
Lei
> For whatever reason I'm not crazy about working off
> a photocopy. I think it's because I paid for that original chart - in some
> cases a whole lot of moolah. And I go out of my way to take good care of
> them. I simply like working from the originals. Call me weird. I know I
> am !
I don't think you're weird, Shannon! I also prefer working from the
originals. The copies just aren't so sharp and I find them more
difficult to read. Especially the color ones! Some of the color
differences don't come out very clearly. However, the difficulty with
working from the original comes when the designs are in hardcover
books. I use a book rack to hold it up but it doesn't allow me to
stitch so comfortably sprawled out on the sofa.
Lei
CowieLuv
in the recycling stuff here... and there's no way I'd do it and stick in in
the trash, considering the problems with harvesting enough trees to keep the
country in paper and other wood products. (after all, I use mulch right and
left to try to save a bit of time.. not to mention concerve moisture... in my
gardens... gotta do my part *somewhere*)
Ours does, but wouldn't hurt to check first. I don't have a shredder (yet) at
home, so bring home bags of the stuff from work. Great for shipping and as a
base filler in the gift baskets I make.
TERESA
Mary Fitzpatrick
the Humane Society for use in the kennels. The schools that I am assigned to seem
to each have someone who picks it up and delivers to the ARL and HS.
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and keep the copies in those page protectors. I can take the paper out if I
want to mark something and leave it in while I work so I don't have to worry
about spills or wear. I don't know why I didn't think of it a long time
ago, especially with magazine charts. I am such a slow stitcher that the
magazines are in tatters by the time I finish the project and then I can't
work anything else in that issue.
--
Deborah Pesa dp...@bestweb.net
Queens, NYC AIM: DebbieJRT
http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/1646/
Yesterday I was a dog. Today I'm a dog. Tomorrow
I'll probably still be a dog. There's just so little hope of
advancement. -- Snoopy
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Heather Knowles
Fitzpatrick <me...@citynet.net> writes
>Around here several people donate shredded paper to the Animal Rescue
>League and
>the Humane Society for use in the kennels. The schools that I am assigned
>to seem
>to each have someone who picks it up and delivers to the ARL and HS.
I used to bring it home from work for rabbit bedding - I'm allergic to
meadow hay.
--
luv Heather Mary xxxxxxxxx http://www.barwickgreen.fsnet.co.uk
WIP: 'La Cascade' needlepoint; Angel Afghan Project submissions; learning
a new stitch or technique every month; Tat Chat Heart doily; Janlynn
'Colours of Christmas' ornaments; 6 blackwork initials as stocking fillers.
Felice Friese
"Louise Sugar" <drag...@bayonne.myip.org> wrote in message
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> I use the shreds to mulch my trees...then cover with a thin layer of
> shredded bark or cedar mulch
>
mulch in my gardens on Cape Cod this summer, I would be delighted to cut
down on mulch by recycling my newspapers this way! Do you know of any
restrictions on location, climate, plants or what-have-you?
Felice
Louise Sugar
applications that I don't want (we already have 4 CC with a possible balance
of over 30,000 and I DON'T want any more) plus the kids tear up newspapers
from time to time into quarter size pieces that I mix in with any
compost...most of my newspapers go to recycling tho I do lay down several
sheets in the Fall and very early Spring and cover with mulch to keep the
weeds down...after it is wet and has had a few weeks to rot a bit the shoots
come right through
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Elbg23
breakable things that will be mailed...like Christmas, birthday presents.
Betty
Felice Friese
have a go at in one small garden and see what happens. If it works, I
should certainly be able to spread the mulch more sparingly than I do
now. (Make that 17 bags, by the way. I just spread two more this
morning.)
Felice
Pat Porter
shreddings, too!
Pat P.
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Scarlet Apex
little, do it once cause it's cute and I just wanted something fast, I
won't. But for the TW's, the expensive patterns, etc, I make one working
copy. If something happens to make that copy unreadable, I destroy it by
ripping it into little shreds and make another working copy. When I'm done
with the final working copy, that one gets destroyed, too, again into tiny
little shreds
Isabel
--
Essence Bottles
Self-Designed Project
Bird Quilt
Christmas Ornaments
Scarlet Apex
problem. All we have to do is put it in paper bags or cardboard boxes.
Isabel
--
Essence Bottles
Self-Designed Project
Bird Quilt
Christmas Ornaments
"Liz / Cozit" <co...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
>
JuliaBaldwin
I have to confess that I keep them in my portfolio of work I have done. I was
keeping them for future generations to look back on and see how I worked and I
have started to build a database to print out info to accompany it. (If you
saw my handwriting you would know why I am doing this LOL).
I have recorded everything I have done since I started stitching, and I like to
photograph my work. I have been keeping everthing in plastic wallets in
binders. I didn't realise that I could possibly be doing something wrong.
Are you saying that under copyright laws I should go back over my files and
destroy any working copies that I may have filed?
Julia
Happy Stitching :)
WIP: Apple Basket(XS) Lanarte
Sunday Cricket(XS) Heritage Stitchcraft
Rose of Sharon(XS) Mirabilia
Rnd Tablecloth(Hardanger) Nordic Needle
Hnd-stch embd box (own design)
Shadow Work, Classic Inspiraions Mag14
Tom & Rita Liesch
> Are you saying that under copyright laws I should go back over my files
and
> destroy any working copies that I may have filed?
That is not necessary. As long as the working copy is in the possession of
the same person who has the original printed chart/leaflet/magazine/book, it
is fine. It only becomes a violation of copyright if you keep the working
copy and sell, trade, or give away the original - or vice versa.
Rita Liesch
Marilyn Leavitt-Imblum
Read inbetween the lines......
What you do in the privacy of your own home is not anyones business. But
if you take them to work to make your working copy and while you are at
it you make 5 extra copies so your friends don't have to go buy a
pattern and they get a copy for free...well then that isn't legal or
cool because the designer gets cheated out of her or his pay.
Now one of the ways I have dealt with people who want to mark charts up
is that I will replace your wornout marked up chart for free....but you
can't have your treasured original back so future generations can see
the method of how you stitched the design. I also think that if you see
someone stitching from a B&W copy of one of my designs they better have
the original in the floss bundle or it will look like they maybe got the
chart for free.
When a large company uses one of my Angels as Walmart did last November
the compensation was figured out by the price of a chart times the
amount of copies that were made. One copy =one price (discounted)
Honest people know the difference and don't look for loopholes to skirt
the rules...we need more local stores where the best of the materials
are carried and we need to support them. The local store is local if it
is within a 15 minute drive from your house...if you go 50 milkes then
it is a RNS= Regional Needlework Store.
So If it feels right then do it, if it makes you feel squirmy then it
shouldn't be done. Robin Hoods aren't charming, they give my work away
and I would like the choice as to what I want to give away...and to
whom!
Marilyn
CowieLuv
someone stitching from a B&W copy of one of my designs they better have
the original in the floss bundle or it will look like they maybe got the
chart for free.
Maybe they did or perhaps it is at home like mine! I don't take originals of
big projects with me EVER! (too prone to leaving it someplace and completing
forgeting to pack it up again) If you're assuming that people have done
something (w/o any proof ), well you know the old saying.....
cowie
JuliaBaldwin
My heartbeat can slow down again now. I was having a major panic attack
yesterday, thought I had done something wrong, WHEW!!! and thank you also to
everyone else who responded. I am glad that my files are safe the way they
are.
I would never let anyone have a copy of my chart/s because: a) why should I
pay full price for a chart and then give a copy to someone else for free,
because they are too tight to buy the chart for themselves. & b) as you said
Marilyn, this would then become a copyright issue - I knew that bit :-)))
I have heard it said before that you are willing to replace damaged copies for
the originals and I think that is extremely kind and generous of you.
BTW - I absolutely adore your designs - athough I must confess, that I have yet
to stitch one of your large projects - soooo many to choose from, can't decide
which one I would most like to do. I have, however stitched your free 2000
angel for the birth of my granddaughter in April and loved doing it. Hopefully
have photos up and available soon.
Thanks again