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gill

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Feb 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/4/99
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I've been searching in vain for really complicated, detailed petit-point
patterns for the kind of complex floral arrangements that so far I've
only seen saying "made in China". I went to a shop in Germantown Pa and
finally saw one item, with the petitpoint flowers already stitched, it
said Made in China, and one was sposed to buy it and do the background,
I guess.

The pillow I recently bought was completed. A very complex flower
pattern in a vase, petit-pointed, and the backbround in grosspoint at
about 12 gauge or 10 gauge, I guess.

My question: where can I locate such complex patterns or charts to
petitpoint myself? I have looked in about 30 books, and as many
needlepoint stores as I can find in the Phila and Chicago area, and no
one seems to know what I'm after.

Thank you.

HAWAII90

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Feb 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/4/99
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Have you seen Maureen Appleton's patterns from Heart's Content? Go to:

http://www.threadedneedle.com and search for Appleton in their catalog. Her
pieces are beautiful. The flowers by Silver Lining may also be done petit point
if they are all whole stitches. As a amtter of fact, anything that is whole
stitches (and I believe, limited backstitching) can be done petit point. I am
getting ready to do Maureen Appleton's "Wild Woodviolets" on either 40 ct linen
or silk gauze.

HTH,
Susan

Joanne Weeda

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Feb 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/5/99
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Dear Gill
I am new to this news group but have been monitoring for a while. I do all
kinds of needlework. I don't know if this is complicated enough for you
but try this store. "Gitta's " 289 Lakeshore Rd East, Port
Credit,Ontario,Canada , L5G 1H3. (1-905-274-7158). They will send you a
catalogue on request. Sorry I don't know if they have an e-mail address.

Joa...@netcom.ca

P.S. Am I the only one out there who has at least 10 different needle
projects going at once? My mom and needleworker friends tease me about the
timespan to complete a project.
gill wrote in message <36B994...@kennett.net>...

Melissa A. Miles

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gill (gi...@kennett.net) wrote:

: I've been searching in vain for really complicated, detailed petit-point
: patterns for the kind of complex floral arrangements that so far I've

: only seen saying "made in China". I went to a shop in Germantown Pa and
: finally saw one item, with the petitpoint flowers already stitched, it
: said Made in China, and one was sposed to buy it and do the background,
: I guess.

:
: My question: where can I locate such complex patterns or charts to

: petitpoint myself? I have looked in about 30 books, and as many
: needlepoint stores as I can find in the Phila and Chicago area, and no
: one seems to know what I'm after.

:
What makes something petitpoint is not the design but the size of the
canvas. You can use regular-size designs, reproducing them on 18-ct or
smaller canvas with a wide variety of fibers. For ornate and
Oriental-style designs, look for the old Margaret Boyle books and
Glorifilia books. I found an excellent range of canvases at Thistle
Needleworks in CT, but any np shop can order them for you. You can also
work on silk gauze, which comes in 32, 36, and 40 hpi; you work it in
tent stitch, just as you would canvas. I love it, but make sure that you
work under a very good light source, and use a magnifier if you even
suspect that you might be squinting. The best source I have found for
gauze is Wyndham Needleworks, who always got the bulk of my money at SOXS.

Maureen Appleton has a petitpoint design called (I think) the Oriental
Carpet sampler, quite beautiful, but I've seen it only in kit form. Jodi
Merusi also has antique reproductions that can be done either as pp or as
xst.

gill

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Feb 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/5/99
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Thanks to all who joined discussion. I am aware that its the gauge that
determines the Petit vs gros or other point--but thanks for trying to
clarify for me. It seems most stores I've been in who sell kits w/yarn
inside are grospoint (atleast 12-gauge). I've seen lots of designer
patterns for 18 gauge and smaller, but honestly nothing as intricate as
the petitpoint already-finished pillow I just bought. I'm not looking
for oriental designs, actually; I just meant that the one pre-stitched
pattern I DID see was Made in China--I assume it was stitched in China,
then sent here to be backgrounded by whoever buys it. It happens to be
the only item I've seen with the complexity I'm after, besides the
completed pillow I bought. Since when I talk to these needlepoint shop
owners (one might think--experts) THEY don't seem to know what I'm
after--I just thought this group was the way to go, and you have gotten
me started. Thanks to all.

I know I can take any pattern I see and do it on smaller gauge. I'm
just not finding really intricate patterns yet, even in many of the
books I've seen/bought. Yes--the Glorifilia collection interested me
and I think I ordered one used that hasn't arrived. I guess I'm looking
for actual bouquet designs. With a myriad of flower types and I'm not
afraid of many many colors.

Laurie Gill

Mike & June Huber

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Feb 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/5/99
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Try asking for books with Berlin work patterns in them. Candace Bahouth
(sp?) has several books out that may be just what you're looking for. Also
look for Beth Russel's books (one labeled needlepoint and one cross-stitch)
of William Morris patterns. Both of her books have patterns that could be
stitched in petit point.

June in Houston

Robert and Elizabeth

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Feb 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/5/99
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Joanne Weeda <Joa...@netcom.ca> wrote:

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> P.S. Am I the only one out there who has at least 10 different needle
> projects going at once? My mom and needleworker friends tease me about the
> timespan to complete a project.

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Tell them you have started a 'rotation'. There are people on this group
(yeah, myself included) with 20 plus projects going in some form of
rotation. Someone here said, "I start whatever I want, whenever I want,
and as many as I want." I loved that, as it sums up my attitude. You can
also tell them it is your hobby.
Anyway you finish them all, right? <another vbeg>.

--
Elizabeth
They won't get MY chocolate til they pry it from my cold dead hands.

Dawn Draheim

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Feb 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/6/99
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gill wrote in message <36BAF3...@kennett.net>...

>I know I can take any pattern I see and do it on smaller gauge. I'm
>just not finding really intricate patterns yet, even in many of the
>books I've seen/bought. Yes--the Glorifilia collection interested me
>and I think I ordered one used that hasn't arrived. I guess I'm looking
>for actual bouquet designs. With a myriad of flower types and I'm not
>afraid of many many colors.
>
>Laurie Gill

I second someone else's suggestion of Berlinwork! I got a lovely book
on Berlinwork for Christmas (of course, I *had* specifically requested it
:) )
and it even includes a free pattern for a large, complex floral that I
really
think you'd love. You might also try looking at Victorian books, not the
modern stuff done 'in the style of' but ones that have actual Victorian
designs or even modern designers who are charting existing Victorian
pieces (Jodi Merusi springs to mind!).

Dawn Draheim
d...@cyberramp.net

ERivera308

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Feb 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/7/99
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Hi Dawn


Could you give us on RCTN the name of the book you got for Christmas.

I have a book which has a collection of original Berlin charts. In the back of
the book the author did a number of them in black symbols on white. The book
is "Embroideries and Patterns" from 19th Century Vienna, by Raffaella Serena.
It is a gorgeous book. A little expensive but worth it. Publisher is Antique
Collector's Club.

There is another book, published a number of years ago, that also has the
original Berlin Charts in it and designs done from them. The name is
"Victorian Canvaswork" by Kathryn Brennand, publisher David & Charles, 1992,
$27.95. Also a lovely book. I do not know whether it can easily be found.

Happy Stitching

EdithNYC

Troy & Evelyn

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Feb 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/7/99
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I looked this title up on Amazon.com and it said the book was out or print
but they have a network of used book stores that they could do a search in.

Evelyn in BC

ChelseaB98

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Feb 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/9/99
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I love petit-point, but had the same experience with the designs. Frankly, I
like intricate needlepoint just as well, but I found I could use beautiful
fibers if I just worked a bit...smaller.

I MISS Needlepoint Plus, oh so much. I got many of may patterns from them. I
like the intricate Bargellos...not the ones that look like wallpaper, but the
ones that combine wonderful stitches to make a collage of textures. I found I
could work bargello samplers on Congress cloth with silks, etc, and had
wonderful results. For the past few years I have made my own designs, mostly
adaptations of traditional quilt patterns, worked in numerous needlepoint
stitches, in lots of different fibers.

Just talking about it makes me want to go find some lovely silk!

Lula

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Feb 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/9/99
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I like working with Silk on Silk gauze - it's such a lovely feeling
watching those little strands, stitch by stitch and color by color inch
their way across the gauze.
Working tiny stitches enhances many patterns - shrinking and blending
stitches into miniature masterpieces like tiny jewels.

One of my favorite inspirations are from those famous Indian Moghul
illustrations, miniature masterpieces of great detail and rich colors.
Perfect ideas for Silk gauze.
I imagine stitching little bits of gauze with motifs, a face, a flower
or whatever inspired from these paintings and having them framed in tiny
carved, gold leafed frames.

I don't know what it is about miniatures but they have attracted people
to collect tiny treasures for thousands of years - something precious
about having pretty little bits of things.

Details that might look "clunky" with jagged edges will round off into
smoother curves on Silk gauze.
I equate needlepointing on gauze to painting watercolors because I can
blend my Silk colors and make very smooth and subtle transistions of
colors so the results look as if they're shimmering or rippling from
dark to light without any sharp demarcations of color.
For me, stitching tiny is very similar to painting because of all the
details I can re-create.
---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures


Rasmussens

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Feb 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/9/99
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I don't personally do needlepoint (yet). But I have seen many patterns
recently that sound like what you are looking for. If you can get the
Nordic Needle catalog you can see some of them in there. And I think I
have purchased some patterns with the various stitches/fibers from
Hummingbird House when they were at SOCS.

I am sure there are many people in this newsgroup who do such patterns.
They will probably be able to give you better sources.

Good luck,

Lucinda

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Fred & Jennifer Gilligan

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Feb 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/9/99
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Dear Lula,
I agree with you about working in miniature...I just finished my first
petitpoint project (on 36 count linen instead of silk gauze -- would
have loved to do it all in silk, but coudl not afford to :). I adapted
"May" from the medieval illuminated manuscript, Les Tres Riches de duc
de Berry (probably got part of the name wrong). Although the piece is
large (12 by 7 3 /4 inches), the petit point allowed for just the
shading and subtlety you describe. I'm now hooked...
Jennifer Gilligan


PDS-BDS

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Feb 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/9/99
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Janet perry over in the Mining Company has a listing for miniature
needlepoint right now on the home page. Thought you might find it
interesting...links to suppliers as well. barbara

Lula

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Feb 9, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/9/99
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Jennifer, that's exactly what I had in mind - being inspired by
illuminated manuscripts - I know of the piece you are speaking of as I
have many books on medieval manuscripts from Europe.
I bet your stitched piece is absolutely gorgeous done in miniature! You
have a treasured heirloom!!

---
Lula
http://www.woolydream.com
Needlework Adventures

ERivera308

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Feb 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/10/99
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Hi Chelsea


You might be interested in the new magazine coming in April. You might see
some petitpoint designs in some of the future issues. The name of the magazine
is Needlepoint Now. Take a look at their website,
http://www.needlepointnow.com. The editor is Joyce Lukomski who was editor of
the ANG Needle Pointers.

Happy Stitching

EdithNYC

ChelseaB98

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Feb 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/10/99
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Great! I will take a look. Although I love cross stitch, I will always like
needlepoint better.

Patricia Williams

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Feb 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/10/99
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Looking at the Needlepoint Now page, I was wondering what type thread
and stitch was used in Libby Sturdy's santa's hat brim and coat cuffs.
It looks rather long and feathery like something I would have used for
santa's beard. Any idea how the beard was done?
Thanks,
Patty

ChelseaB98

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Feb 10, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/10/99
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>Looking at the Needlepoint Now page, I was wondering what type thread
>and stitch was used in Libby Sturdy's santa's hat brim and coat cuffs.
>It looks rather long and feathery like something I would have used for
>santa's beard. Any idea how the beard was done?

:) I think that's part of the lure to get you to subscribe. It looks like
it's going to be a great magazine. All it took for me was to see that there
are going to be designs by Marnie Ritter AND Jean Hilton in the first issue. I
can't wait!

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