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>i've had it
>this is ..not.. a friendly place
>go choose another stitcher to pick on
Oh my gosh, Suzy; I missed it!!!! You wouldn't want to tell me the thread
heading, would you? I'd hate to miss out on being "not friendly".
Lynn
>i've had it
>this is ..not.. a friendly place
>go choose another stitcher to pick on
- let's face it Suzy you love to stir things up,
If you dont like the consequences of your actions you can either...
1. keep whinging - as you have done in this post
2. ignore the things you dont like ie: get a flameproof suit
3. be more thoughtful/ judicious in your posting to RCTN
4. - stop reading and posting to RCTN
BFN
OOROO
Michelle
Northern Beaches
Sydney, Australia
Louise
Michelle Donald wrote in message <36625189...@news.zip.com.au>...
>i've had it
>this is ..not.. a friendly place
>go choose another stitcher to pick on
Odd--this is the first post I've seen from you, and have no idea what
your'e on about. You must've been posting in those few threads that I've
marked "ignore" because I didn't feel like getting into arguments.
If you think THIS is an unfriendly newsgroup, I'd strongly advise you to
stay off the rest of usenet. Our worst spats look like summer zephyrs
compared to some of the flamefests you'll find on other groups.
-Bertha
Simply, you need to grow up and stop taking things so personally here. It's
a new medium and it's hard to convey the subtle nuances here (in writing)
that we are able to convey in face-to-face conversation. However, like
someone said, if you post something controversial, you will stir up flames.
I'm not saying don't ever post again, but think before you "speak" is
something to consider. There is a time and place for everything - make sure
you're in the right place before you speak out.
Now just relax, sit back and enjoy RCTN and all the good it has to offer.
You're an adult for heaven's sake - act like it!
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If people are irritated by what Suzy says, just IGNORE it, the same
way that you ignore the posts that are of no interest to you.
Sometimes the attackers in this ng are like a pack of wild dogs.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.......if you disagree with
it....fine, ignore it and get on with your life. In the course of
regular postings, there are some personality traits that come
out...some are shared by others, some are not.....but just because
someone does something differently than you choose to does not make
them a horrible person.
There is way too much nastiness in the real world....does it have to
be here too?
Jeanne in MA
On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 07:22:44 -0500, "Louise Sugar"
<drag...@tycho.com> wrote:
>You know I have just about had it as well. Why is it when Suzy voices an
>opinion she is jumped all over but when others advocate spanking few people
>raise a fuss? Don't get me wrong....I have tried both approaches...it
>depends on the child...sometimes timeouts simply do not work and a tap on
>the fanny (note I am not advocating a full scale beating) never hurt a kid.
>I think it depends where geographically you were raised, how you were raised
>and the attitudes of the people where you are located. Now can we get back
>to stitching, fabric and fibers?
>
>
>Louise
>
>
>Michelle Donald wrote in message <36625189...@news.zip.com.au>...
>>On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:40:15 -0800, Suzanne Root <ka...@ix.netcom.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>i've had it
>>>this is ..not.. a friendly place
>>>go choose another stitcher to pick on
>>
RCTN *is* part of the real world. No one here is a saint and few claim
to be. ;-)
Nan Evelyn
What amazes me, is, the ones that say, "If you don't like it, ignore it,"
aren't taking their own advice.
Lynn
>If people are irritated by what Suzy says, just IGNORE it, the same
>way that you ignore the posts that are of no interest to you.
I *DO* ignore it and have heretofore kept silent. However, Suzy also needs to
learn to ignore opinions that differ from hers rather than taking offense. It
is inexcusable to accuse the *entire* group of unfriendly behavior based on
comments from a few that were perceived as flames.
I, for one, have found this ng to be exceedly warm and helpful. I don't think
anyone intends to offend Suzy or any other RCTNer. Those of us who
occassionally take offense need to keep this in mind and lighten up a bit.
Jacqueline
Morgantown, WV
>Subject: Re: OT: Re: not friendly
>Date: 01 Dec 1998 01:19:30 GMT
. I'm gonna have to do a few more million years of
>bench time in Purgatory for what I'm saying
> Anne - just a neutral, causual sh*t disturber on the sidelines.
Deborah
yard...@webshore.net
Okay, who stopped the payment on my reality check?
I have found many helpful needlework posts here and a few inappropriate ones. (This is the only group I read, so I do not know the goings on of the others.) I personally find it very annoying and non productive on my part to see the inappropriate posts that I normally ignore. (sometimes you need to read the post to know it is annoying)
I am not taking sides, but some of us are here for the pure joy of needlework!
Sitting here in Sunny St. Louis with another opinion someone else will
find annoying
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>
> Sorry, but as much as I hate to see anyone leave the group, this has nothing to
> do with an opinion on spanking. Did you miss the anti-abortion posts? And if
> so, how??
<snip>
> And I think we are *very* friendly, as a whole!
> Donna
.. . . and before the abortion fight, there was the business about the
man who didn't know that Jesus was a Jew . . . and after the abortion
fight, there were the increasingly angry messages that we were being
mean and unfriendly, and then the threats to leave, and then the rather
alarming message that sounded really desperate and set off a long
discussion among the group about how to help her, etc. etc. There does
seem to be a cyclical aspect to these incidents, and we seem to be the
theatre in which they are acted out. And some of us -- maybe even most
of us -- would just as soon skip the whole thing.
Emily M.
>
>>I still say Suzy uses us for her "Sucker Pool" so she can stir things up<
>
>I whole heartedly agree. This is like another rerun of the "many" Susy
>sagas.
>I wonder how dramatic she will get during this one?
BIG LAUGH!!!!! :) - Oh, this is sooooo true. I really should shut up as I
have nothing contstructive, etc. to add to this conversation so don't flame me
'cause I just did it for you. I'm gonna have to do a few more million years of
bench time in Purgatory for what I'm saying but I honestly wish if Suzy can't
learn to accept the opinions of others and keep her big mouth closed and
fingers off the keyboard she should be exiled from the group. OK, OK, I know
that's really mean......If it was possible, she should only be allowed to read
the NG, not post to it. Geeze, she's a mom - maybe she'll understand this in
"Teacher Talk" DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS! Maybe if she spent more time
with her kids we wouldn't have to hear so much. I don't know how she keeps up
with all her internet activities. She either has a very (!) over-worked
nanny/housekeeper or she's duct-taped all her kids to the furniture!
Sorry, but as much as I hate to see anyone leave the group, this has nothing to
do with an opinion on spanking. Did you miss the anti-abortion posts? And if
so, how?? She did apologize for those. But some of us would prefer to read
about needlework, rather than be bombarded with people's personal OT issues. I
know, just delete w/o reading, and I do, and I never flame anyone, or send them
private email, no matter how offended I am by what I read. But I think that
sometimes, people really need to find a more appropriate forum, and Suzy may be
one of those people. Seems to me that needlework is sort of secondary for
her...
Once again I defer to Lynn on this one mostly because I'm not the "I told ya
so" type (not that she is mind you). I will say that I am amazed that we find
it so hard to say what we actually feel, worried what other (total strangers)
people will think. Suzy, I have to hand it to you though. You are the ONLY
one that says what is on her mind and damn the consequences. Not only do you
repeatedly insult people, but you somehow always come out being the poor
innocent victim. BRAVO!!!!!
Lori~UG (who is more than willing to be the first to say what she ACTUALLY
thinks about this entire tiresome charade called Suzy)
Suzanne Root wrote in message <3661DB...@ix.netcom.com>...
>i've had it
>this is ..not.. a friendly place
>go choose another stitcher to pick on
What brought this on? Did I miss something?
>What brought this on? Did I miss something?
>
>
Suzanne brought this on. If you go back to Dejanews and do some searching, you
will see she is begining her nutso cycle again. And to think I fell for it the
first time.
Ah well - fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you. And by the way,
I want to join the group! QUACK!
If you don't understand what I mean, it's Australian for get lost.
And to all those people who thought that Suzy-Whoever was such a nice person whom
we 'in the clique' all liked to pick on, and who are strangely silent now....
Before you leap to your send buttons to abuse me, go over to DejaNews and do a
Power Search on ka...@ix.netcom.com and have a look at the company our "nice
sheltered" Suzy keeps. Take particular note of the abortion ngs. and the flaming
she has received in these and her meek and mild responses.... Makes rctn look
like what it is - a nice, calm, generally pleasant newsgroup. And the Suzy of
the 'Gentle Peaces' is also very adept at the nasty, obscene personal e-mail too,
to which many of us can witness over the last year or so.
But don't be embarrassed... many of us were originally taken in too....once.
As for being part of A Clique - I'm proud to be in such illustrious company.
Pam P. [Quacking in Howard Springs, Australia.]
--
Stef
>- fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you. And by the way,
>I want to join the group! QUACK!
<G> That was supposed to be the other way around, I know. <G>
Can we make fruedian (sp?) slips part of the group motto?
I've got a good one.. I was at MIL's house at Thanksgiving, and SIL and I were
talking about how my DH just "zones out" when the TV is on. He doesn't know the
rest of the world exists when it's on! She said his Dad was the same way.
"Ah that explains it! It's *genital*!!" OOPS! LOL - I meant genetic!
Other SIL said "that's no problem. We went to a seafood place one time that had
shrimp with the feelers still on them. (tenticles) - she announced she was not
going to eat shrimp with *testicles* still on them! ROFLOL!!!
but, dont you think, that suzanne is now sitting gleefully at her computer,
reading all the "ruckus" she has caused??? what an attention getter! it's a
shame that she seems to be the type that can "dish it out, but cant take it"
(as my mom would say)----
wanting to be on the beach....anywhere!
betsey
betsey
"we do not inherit the earth, we caretake it for our children"
Denise
Indianapolis
>I, unfortunately, do not have the time to read and post as much as some
>do. (totally my fault) The "not friendly" subject made me read more!!!>>
I just can't believe I sat here and read all these OT posts while I could have
been stitching! LOL
Quack, quack, quack, quack!
Casey
My first encounter with SuzyBeth was on eBay. A year ago I was selling
some old needlecraft kits that my mom had bought years and years ago.
SuzyBeth's check was the only one that bounced. When I send weekly
email messages requesting that she make good on the check or return the
item, I either got no reply or a curt message that said she had already
taken care of the matter.
Then lo and behold I bid on something she was selling. Only now she was
Elizabeta. I wasn't reading r.c.t.n. regularly and didn't know she and
SuzyBeth were one and the same. But she did send me the item I bid on
for free and included some cash to make up for the bounced check but she
gave me some long convoluted story about stolen checkbooks, etc. I know
some others of you have "been there done this."
I have watched with wonderment (is that really a word?) at her antics on
rctn. How long will it be before she returns as Suzy and begs for our
forgiveness?? Y2K would be too soon.
I'll quack or woof or do whatever it takes to ward off the evilness.
Nancy
Denise
Indianapolis
J. Harris
> i've had it
> this is ..not.. a friendly place
> go choose another stitcher to pick on
Boy, I leave for five days to visit my kids in North Carolina and come
back to this and message headings that say truck the way my kids did
when they were learning to talk. What brought this on? If this isn't a
friendly place, you will have a shock when visiting some other groups on
the net. Go to any of the political groups that start with alt.politics
to see what flames are all about.
I do know that rhis group contains a lot of terrible people. Before
reading this group, I was a one at a time stitcher who stitched on Aida
and had never heard of of S.E.X., MLI, TW, rotations, 36ct. linen that
ruins yout eyes, 40 ct silk mesh, silk threads, Nordic Needle, Hadenger,
etc. You all have been a terrible influence on my life, causing me to
spend untold amounts of money at my LNS's and mail order. I wanted to
thank all of you for that.
By the way, I stitched on the plane both ways. The Steward (male) came
by to admire my work. He said he has a male passenger who travels every
week and always stitches on the flights. They love seeing his progress.
He was working on a Christmas Stocking and needed to get it done soon.
George
--
Only two things are necessary to keep one's wife happy. One is to let
her
think she is having her own way, and the other is to let her have it.
-- Lyndon B. Johnson
Why will a woman get so exited about nothing - and then marry him. --
Anon.
: Hopefully, her ISP will pull the plug on her service. I know she can just go
: somewhere else but at least there would be a consequence other than a bunch of
: angry stitchers with needles at the ready.
:
That brings to mind the vision of a battalion of stitchers doing "present
arms" with #24 tapestry needles. Fix bayonets!
If this isn't a
>friendly place, you will have a shock when visiting some other groups on
>the net. Go to any of the political groups that start with alt.politics
>to see what flames are all about.......................
>George
This is so true, my dw & dd have a little interest in the tarot and I
checked out a newsgroup, hoping to gain some insight. There was a
poster on that board who picked apart every post! Sentence by
sentence. A real expert by his/her account. Then the wars would
begin. Boring!
Richard
Hi!
I have just realised that like others who only read through Outlook Express
that I cannot always make sense of threads in this group-even ones I am
frankly amazed at in terms of language content (we are reserved in the uk)
and surprised to see in print as I thought this was a "decent " group
(IMHO) In the three months I have been reading I have found much help and
good advice probably from what I like to think are the "core" members rather
than what some may regard as a clique.
There must be loads of lurkers out here who are somewhat bewildered by
this stuff. Every group I have ever belonged to ( I don't mean on the net)
has had its share of stirrers and attention seekers.
The stuff being posted on here reminds me of The London Women's Newsletter
in the early 1980's. I seem to remember that in the end one of it's
"rules" was no personal attacks! This was after loads of trees were wasted
over all kinds of contentious topics by a minority of subscribers.
This time its a case of lets save phone bills (in the uk at least) and not
read this stuff. Stitching reduces stress levels so lets just do it and
share it.
Chris in Sidcup UK
>>
>>>
LOL...I remember when my two year old first said the word "frog"...she couldn't
make the *R* sound and it kind of sounded like "truck". We immediately began
working on our *R* sounds!
Casey
Atbat3 wrote in message <19981202180626...@ng18.aol.com>...
>LOL...I remember when my two year old first said the word "frog"...she
>couldn't
>make the *R* sound and it kind of sounded like "truck". We immediately began
>working on our *R* sounds!
>
>
LOL - reminds me of a story told by my DB lately. He was at the park with his
DS, and DS walked up to a lady and asked "do you want to see my dic*? My DB
almost passed out!! The DS said it again - "have you seen my di*k?" Finally
they figured out he meant his *stick* that he was holding in his hand! My DB
said the lady told him "You should see the look on your face!" ROFLOL!!
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>Hi!
>I have just realised that like others who only read through Outlook Express
>that I cannot always make sense of threads in this group-even ones I am
>frankly amazed at in terms of language content (we are reserved in the uk)
>and surprised to see in print as I thought this was a "decent " group
>(IMHO) In the three months I have been reading I have found much help and
>good advice probably from what I like to think are the "core" members rather
>than what some may regard as a clique.
>There must be loads of lurkers out here who are somewhat bewildered by
>this stuff. Every group I have ever belonged to ( I don't mean on the net)
>has had its share of stirrers and attention seekers.
>The stuff being posted on here reminds me of The London Women's Newsletter
>in the early 1980's. I seem to remember that in the end one of it's
>"rules" was no personal attacks! This was after loads of trees were wasted
>over all kinds of contentious topics by a minority of subscribers.
>This time its a case of lets save phone bills (in the uk at least) and not
>read this stuff. Stitching reduces stress levels so lets just do it and
>share it.
You're right, Chris! And you're right about each group having core
members. Maybe some groups have cliques but I really don't think that
rctn does.
>Chris in Sidcup UK
Sidcup? My FIL was raised in Sidcup! DH (who is also a Chris) says
that his dad lived on Sandhurst Road (he thinks it was road). Do you
know that area?
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> by to admire my work. He said he has a male passenger who travels every
> week and always stitches on the flights. They love seeing his progress.
> He was working on a Christmas Stocking and needed to get it done soon.
>
> George
Hi George:
There was a story in our local paper a few months ago about a (male) Qantas
steward who does stitching in quiet moments on the longer flights. They
showed a picture of one of his projects - I forget what it was, but it was
certainly enough to make me turn green with envy!
So, the new year's resolution will have to be "take the stitching with me
when I am travelling".
Graham
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I always take my stitching with me. You get *REALLY* good service from
the flight attendants, but you do get very little sleep (Melbourne to LA
is a long flight)
--
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Oh my gawd! I would just die! ROFLMHOPIMP!
Casey =D
Amen! My DD is four and a quarter and she *still* can't get her tongue
round her 'r's! Lesa's request for a group hug made me giggle, 'cause
Ellie calls it a 'gwoo pug'. And the other night she came galloping out
with her imaginary playmate, Elvis Cwidlington, (don't ask!) howling
'Look out, Mum! We are bein' pashood ('pursued') by wavening wawwias
('ravening warriors')!' Nearly swallowed me tongue, I laughed so hard!
That kid spends too much time listening to her brother telling stories!
--
Trish {|:OI}
Newcastle, NSW, Australia
LOL!!! Wish I had thought of that! We really struggled to teach her how to
say "Frog". Should've just called every frog a TOAD!
Casey
>Bugger off, Suzy-whoever you are.
>
>If you don't understand what I mean, it's Australian for get lost.
>
It also has a few other connotations, which I won't go into here, but
which I will echo.
>And to all those people who thought that Suzy-Whoever was such a nice person whom
>we 'in the clique' all liked to pick on, and who are strangely silent now....
>
>Before you leap to your send buttons to abuse me, go over to DejaNews and do a
>Power Search on ka...@ix.netcom.com and have a look at the company our "nice
>sheltered" Suzy keeps. Take particular note of the abortion ngs. and the flaming
>she has received in these and her meek and mild responses.... Makes rctn look
>like what it is - a nice, calm, generally pleasant newsgroup. And the Suzy of
>the 'Gentle Peaces' is also very adept at the nasty, obscene personal e-mail too,
>to which many of us can witness over the last year or so.
>
>But don't be embarrassed... many of us were originally taken in too....once.
>
>As for being part of A Clique - I'm proud to be in such illustrious company.
>
>
hmm...I never was part of a clique in high school. I think I like it!
Thank the stars I'm not the only one! My DS absolutely adores
everything with wheels, and always has.
I dearly remember the outing to the expensive restaurant where they
seated us by the window. Halfway through the meal (during which he has
been an *utter angel*), he spies a future customer pulling up in a
big, shiny....you guessed it... pickup. At which provocation he stands
up in the highchair, and announces to his unsuspecting parents, and
the rest of the restaurant, "Look at the big, pretty f*ck!" in the
most beautiful clear bell-like voice he could muster.
Mortification ensued.
Needless to say, diction lessons were the order of the next week or
so....
Kali
who has a ton of cute kid stories!
>Mortification ensued.
>Needless to say, diction lessons were the order of the next week or
>s
ROFLOL!!! So, do tell some more of those kid stories!
My DS had trouble for a while with 'L' sounds. Naturally, we're in
the watch shop getting a new battery for my watch. The store is
extremely busy, because you know this wouldn't happen when there's no
one about. DS says quite loudly 'ook, Mommy, a big c*ck!'. To which I
quickly reply, 'Yes, a big *clock*'..... *sigh*
Erica
The world in general is not a friendly place, if we stir up the pot
(or even if we don't!)...
I have the habit, too, of jumping in... and sometimes I come off as
a 'know-it-all' when, in fact, I'm still on Life's Learning Curve!
Come over here... I'd like a hug from you...
Gentle as you go,
Marny
Suzanne Root wrote in message <3661DB...@ix.netcom.com>...
Angela
Kim Brown wrote in message <3666203E...@alinga.newcastle.edu.au>...
>TraceyD wrote:
>>
>> Oh, that darn "r", LOL. With my second youngest, the word we dreaded was
>> "fork". After the first couple of tries at correcting her, we just start
>> calling every utensil a spoon!
DS: (in a fairly loud voice and pointing across the restaurant) "Hey, look at the
Hooters on that (lots of parental sputtering and suppressed laughter before he
could get out the final word of his sentance) window!"
He was trying to point out that one of the letters on the sign for the restaurant
next door (Hooter's Restaurant) was burned out. His phrasing was accidental and he
stayed mad at us until we got into the car and then explained to him what he had
said.
June in Houston
(In case it's not an internationally used term, the word "hooters" is American
slang for generously-sized female breasts. That particular restaurant chain has
come under much criticism for its choice of name and has been often accused of only
hiring waitresses with certain "qualifications". I've never eaten in one of their
restaurants, so can't comment on that.)
Seems to me she's' got everyone going again. I propose that then next
time she posts the person who responds has to send a skein of floss to
everyone on RCTN. She is getting just the response she wants, have you
looked at how many postings there are on the """"OT"""" message header.
Lois
--
I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is;
I only know that people call me a feminist
whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat.
Rebecca West, 1913
George Blum wrote
> Boy, I leave for five days to visit my kids in North Carolina and come
> back to this and message headings that say truck the way my kids did
> when they were learning to talk. snip
>
> George
> --
When my little sister was learning to talk she pronounced her "gr"s as
"fr"s. We went to "Framma's" house fairly often & used to pick up "Auntie
Dot" on the way. I still have the felt Xmas tree skirt Auntie Dot made in
1970 (Peggy was 4) signed "Framma-Auntie Dot". :-) My older sisters used
to take delight in asking Peggy "What's that! What's that!" whenever a fire
truck went by. If Peggy was really excited it would come out as Fire
Fruck. :-) Gee, I wonder why Daddy didn't think it was funny. <g>
Liz from Humbug
Angela
John & Liz Hampton wrote in message <3668C587...@magick.net>...
KarenF
Gentle stitching as you go,
Marny
Lois Sparrow wrote in message <366897D0...@usga.org>...
Good one! LMHO...<writing this down to recall for future cute anecdotes>
Casey =)
>Seems to me she's' got everyone going again. I propose that then next
>time she posts the person who responds has to send a skein of floss to
>everyone on RCTN. She is getting just the response she wants, have you
>looked at how many postings there are on the """"OT"""" message header.
Killfiles are A Good Thing. :)
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