Have you seen how the teens and "fashion conscious" dress - at least in this
country??? I could mail you some pictures after an day at the mall....
Some of it is down right silly
A lot of those wild fashion trends come directly from Israel. They are
very fashion forward, have fabulous designers and fashion is an important
industry there.
L
> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:13:32 -0400, Cheryl Isaak
> <chery...@comcast.net> opined:
>
>>
>> Have you seen how the teens and "fashion conscious" dress - at least in this
>> country??? I could mail you some pictures after an day at the mall....
>>
>>
>> Some of it is down right silly
>
> Yes, I noticed a woman of at least 50 the other day with belly button
> on display - at a distance I could see old stretch marks - why ???
> That's a fashion specifically for teens, if anyone.
The one that drives me NUTS, COMPLETELY NUTS is the exposed boxer shorts
between jean and shirt. Sometimes with shirt tucked into said boxers.
Yuck, yuck yuck
I'm not a historian or a fashionista but I've got to say that 'silly' is
a good word to describe some fashion trends and the people who adopt
them.
I won't be around to see it but in 50 years the retirement communities
will be filled with old geezers of both sexes who pull off their clothes
to show off their tattoos or the scars left by tattoo removal.
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Will comment to Lucille and Sheena off list....
Cheryl
Yeah, I see my daughter's friends (20-somethings both men and women) with
big graphic tattoos and it kinda breaks my heart! What will their
skin/tattoos look like in twenty years? Hideous stuff.
These are normal people with jobs for crying out loud. Maybe I am too old to
understand this trend. Just looks baaaaad to me.
Remember the trend of wearing boxers on the OUTSIDE?
I had to try to explain to the little old lady next to me on the bus
that (a) I was pretty sure this was a girl, (b) she had not forgotten to
put on her outer garment, she was wearing it under the undergarments,
(c) this is the "in thing" and I don't like it either.
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I don't want to think about it
>
> Yeah, I see my daughter's friends (20-somethings both men and women) with
> big graphic tattoos and it kinda breaks my heart! What will their
> skin/tattoos look like in twenty years? Hideous stuff.
> These are normal people with jobs for crying out loud. Maybe I am too old to
> understand this trend. Just looks baaaaad to me.
>
>
My beloved DSD rompoed home to show us her latest: a walloping great
line-drawing rendition of Betty Grable that stretches from her elbow to
her shoulder! Not only that, but she's had an enormous red rose,
imperfectly drawn by her girlfriend, tattoed immediately to the left of
Betty on her *inner* arm! It's about four inches in diameter and looks
like nothing more than a major skin lesion!
My DSD has beautiful creamy fair skin, blonde hair and gorgeous china
blue eyes. And big, black tatts.
Why????????
--
Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia
What did YOUR parents or Grandparents Say or How did they react to
Your Clothes etc,,,,,,
mirjam
Why not share with ALL of us , your comments and /or
reactions ? This is a FACINATING subject and very NEEDLEWORK =textile
related !!!
mirjam
The LOW CUT belt Jeans and Belly button showing , came from the Big
Jeans makers who were looking for some New way to sell Jeans to a
world that had enough jeans. By lowering the cut of the belt, millions
of people felt their older jeans were `out of style`, and HAD to Buy
NEW jeans.
This lowering of the belt, + the many people who travelled to the east
[where shorter blouses are worn under Sarries and Sarongs] + world
warming, made it easy for people from all over the world to adopt this
new trends.
I thank you for having such a trust in our fashion industry. But we
make mostly swimwear and underwear, this are the 2 big Israeli
textile industries. Low belt cut Jeans are mostly `invented` by
American designers and sewn in some `low salary` country.
mirjam
If they didn't like it, I couldn't wear it.
I do the same with my kids - no grinning skulls, no nearly obscene or
disrespectful sayings, no holes in jeans (especially the ones that come that
way).
C
i> > What did YOUR parents or Grandparents Say or How did they react
to
> > Your Clothes etc,,,,,,
> > mirjam
>
> If they didn't like it, I couldn't wear it.
>
> I do the same with my kids - no grinning skulls, no nearly obscene or
> disrespectful sayings, no holes in jeans (especially the ones that come that
> way).
>
> C- Hide quoted text -
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I disagreed with the term silly , esp in connection with Teens
clothes , because This is their age of `trying out things`, And
dressing up in ways that look `strange` to grown ups , is the least
probelematic in teenagers` behaviours.
And as you write ,, You draw lines to the what they can or can not
wear. Maybe other parents draw other lines. I would and do use the
term Beautiful and or Ugly about fashion , but Silly ,,, NO NEVER .
I am an observer, i try to learn the Why behind some fashions.
mirjam
Because it was a comment about certain Israeli beach fashions and less than
nice.
I certainly did mention in one of my notes that. I only learned to call it
Tunisian Crochet in the past few years and even passed an old pattern book
for "Afghan" crochet to someone who was interested in it.
Lucille
> On Jun 2, 2:23 pm, "Lucille" <lzoltynospam@now at comcast..net> wrote:
>> "lucretia borgia" <lucretiabor...@florence.it> wrote in message
>>
>> news:rqj744hcd6h4c2ve3...@4ax.com...
>>
>>> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:13:32 -0400, Cheryl Isaak
>>> <cherylis...@comcast.net> opined:
>>
>>>> Have you seen how the teens and "fashion conscious" dress - at least in
>>>> this
>>>> country??? I could mail you some pictures after an day at the mall....
>>
>>>> Some of it is down right silly
>>
>>> Yes, I noticed a woman of at least 50 the other day with belly button
>>> on display - at a distance I could see old stretch marks - why ???
>>> That's a fashion specifically for teens, if anyone.
>>
>> A lot of those wild fashion trends come directly from Israel. They are
>> very fashion forward, have fabulous designers and fashion is an important
>> industry there.
>>
>> L
>
> The LOW CUT belt Jeans and Belly button showing , came from the Big
> Jeans makers who were looking for some New way to sell Jeans to a
> world that had enough jeans. By lowering the cut of the belt, millions
> of people felt their older jeans were `out of style`, and HAD to Buy
> NEW jeans.
But some designer started the whole thing and then it became a "race" to see
how low the jeans could go...
> This lowering of the belt, + the many people who travelled to the east
> [where shorter blouses are worn under Sarries and Sarongs] + world
> warming, made it easy for people from all over the world to adopt this
> new trends.
But those were for modesty's sake. Now the new fashions are often anything
but modest.
> I thank you for having such a trust in our fashion industry. But we
> make mostly swimwear and underwear, this are the 2 big Israeli
> textile industries. Low belt cut Jeans are mostly `invented` by
> American designers and sewn in some `low salary` country.
>
> mirjam
Actually, those original designers were French and Italians.
mirjam
I visited Israel way back in 1982, and I remember seeing some very
outrageous fashions there even way back then, including topless women in the
Jerusalem Hilton. And I'm sure you will readily agree that some of the
bathing suits and garments that are designed in Israel are very avant garde
and daring.
Lucille
The why is to separate the gullible and foolish from their money.
I certainly hope not !!! Who or what would want to take credit for that
ugly look? It probably comes from Brazil where they wear bathing suits
that look like they're made out of dental floss.
Ah yes, the home of some of the tackiest "fashion" in the world.
There had been a store advertising "Brazilian Lingerie". Went in one day (on
a bet) with a girl friend. Honey child (as the saying goes), I wouldn't have
worn that stuff in the dark....
Cheryl
I ask myself the same question. DD came home on her 18th birthday with
an ugly tattoo on her arm, and when I saw it, I said to her, "Well,
you're the one who'll pay to have it removed in 20 years." She still
hasn't forgiven me for that remark! (Two years later....but in 20 years
it'll be a different story, I suspect)
Sue
--
Susan Hartman/Dirty Linen
The Magazine of Folk and World Music
www.dirtylinen.com
Topless ladies in the Jerusalem Hilton , Are you 100% sure they
weren`t TOURISTS?
If you had mentioned Eilath Beach i would not have wondered. Many
Scandinavian tourists come to Sun there ,, But Hilton in
Jerusalem ?????
As to the rest of your remark , Yes some fashion here is daring and
avant garde ,,, and we are proud that it is selling well ,,,, The
World Fashion industry is very competitive, and if we can sell there ,
why not ,,, Why are you so Negative about it ???
The French and Italians are even more daring ,,, Nobody forces you to
buy anything ..
Are you aware that this industry gives jobs to WOMEN who need it ...
We are also manufacturing Medicines , our people invented the Disc on
Key and many parts and programs you use so happily in your
computer ,,,,
mirjam
That is the Why of the makers , the why of those who buy it is a
different one !!!!
mirjam
Why would I think they were or weren't tourists. I was just stating a fact
that in a 5 star hotel, a few blocks from the Knesset, there was a woman
topless. I couldn't care less if she was a native or not.
If you had mentioned Eilath Beach i would not have wondered. Many
Scandinavian tourists come to Sun there ,, But Hilton in
Jerusalem ?????
Are you saying that all your young people dress in old fashioned bathing
suits and it's only the Scandinavians who are daring?
As to the rest of your remark , Yes some fashion here is daring and
avant garde ,,, and we are proud that it is selling well ,,,, The
World Fashion industry is very competitive, and if we can sell there ,
why not ,,, Why are you so Negative about it ???
The French and Italians are even more daring ,,, Nobody forces you to
buy anything ..
I resent that you are calling me negative about Israeli fashion. I'm not
even remotely saying or thinking negative thoughts. Instead I'm very
pleased with the talent that comes from your country. As far as the French
and Italians being more daring, maybe you need to look further into high
fashion magazines and see what's in.
Are you aware that this industry gives jobs to WOMEN who need it ...
We are also manufacturing Medicines , our people invented the Disc on
Key and many parts and programs you use so happily in your
computer ,,,,
Do you remember that I worked for a place that played a major role in
educating young people to go into the fashion industry in Israel? You seem
to think every remark made is a slur against your country.
Lucille
The internet is a wondrous place .....
C
Actually, Mirjam, there are three names: Tunisian, afghan, and tricot.
Dianne
--
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Actually Dianne ,, Tricot is the French word for ANY knitting whether
the Actual deed or any cloth that has been knitted by hand or
machine,,, [even T shirts are many times called Tricot shirts] .
Since Afghan Crochet or Tunisian Crochet are Crochet [ also a French
word ,,, Tricot is not used for this stitch ,,,
mirjam
Actually Mirjam--You're wrong.
Tricot Crochet is indeed another name for Tunisian or Afghan Crochet. As a
matter of fact, someone even took the time to publish a book on "Tricot
Crochet."
http://www.amazon.com/Tricot-Crochet-Complete-Rebecca-Jones/dp/1891656287
Actually, Mirjam, you haven't read every book there is on these
techniques. I have a highly valued resource (Weldon's of London) and it
was also known as tricot crochet. That name may have died out in time.
Since this type of crochet is like knitting, perhaps that's how it
also got that name. In any event, it is a third name for the technique.
Thank you. Ya done good!
Porcine musical education is a waste of time.....
--
Karen C - California
Editor/Proofreader www.IntlProofingConsortium.com
Finished 5/21/08 - Helping the Hummers
WIP: Christmas Music Bellpull, Oriental Kimono (Janlynn),
MLI The Teacher (gift to the library), Bethany Angel,
Flowers of Hawaii (Jeanette Crews) for ME!!!
Retrieved from UFO pile: Marbek's Snow Angel
CFSfacts -- where we give you the facts and dispel the myths
Myths, with research cites: http://www.aacfs.org/images/pdfs/myths.pdf
Newest research blog: http://journals.aol.com/kmc528/Lifeasweknowit/
Just curious, Cheryl...why no skulls? Not meant as a criticism at all,
I'm simply curious. Skulls are almost a staple decoration in the area
of Norway that I'm in. DH bought me a kickass jolly roger hair barrette
today.
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
Becky A.
These skulls aren't Jolly Rogers but part of the ultra heavy metal scene. I
just don't like it and don't allow it.
C
Interesting, since Norway is the home of some awesome heavy/black/death
metal. The skulls and stuff on clothes and accessories here don't seem
have any immediate connection to that scene, though. There's one kid
living nearby whose got a skullie shirt I'm itching to buy if I ever see
one my size. DH's fav socks have skullies on them and my tattoo is of
one (shh! don't tell anyone!).
Your house, your rules. We all have our own comfort zones.
Becky A.
I tottaly feel with you Cheryll
i would not allow such symbols.
mirjam
(sigh)
After I finish this I'll go on to more exciting stuff - a BIG scarf in
some luscious clunky wools, as was demonstrated on the TV show...now
that I have the stitch down pat!
Sounds gorgeous. And kudos to you for your ultimate gift.
What a lovely Sound ,,,
mirjam