A phenomenal 21st century site
Dianne Lewandowski
have links to pertinent sites. I'm just mesmerized with this German
site and visit every day for the sheer joy of it. You have to be really
patient and allow it to flow over you. Don't be hasty. Let things
happen. Sip your tea or wine. And be sure to play with the buttons and
especially click on "shop" at the first menu system.
Have fun. http://www.derbauer.de/index1.html
Dianne
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Lucille
"Dianne Lewandowski" <dia...@heritageshoppe.com> wrote in message
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Isn't it amazing what can be done with a computer.
Thanks for sharing. I shall put this in my favorites to enjoy later.
Lucille
Becky A
> This has nothing to do with needlework. I'm studying Flash and my books
> have links to pertinent sites. I'm just mesmerized with this German
> site and visit every day for the sheer joy of it. You have to be really
> patient and allow it to flow over you. Don't be hasty. Let things
> happen. Sip your tea or wine. And be sure to play with the buttons and
> especially click on "shop" at the first menu system.
>
> Have fun. http://www.derbauer.de/index1.html
> Dianne
Ick. Blatant Flash abuse. Flash was never meant to be used to
construct an entire site and shouldn't be used as such. It was always
intended to be an element.
It might look pretty to you, but it completely sucks if you're blind or
visually impaired. There's no accommodation for screen readers or text
enlargement software. Neither are there any tooltips when the mouse is
hovered.
The navigation is extremely awkward and leaves you at the mercy of the
Flash designer. One's browser back button is ineffective when using
that site, which is a cardinal sin.
The only thing worse would be if they worked in some horrid java applet.
Another one bites the dust.
Becky A
ricar...@spambtinternet.com
> Dianne Lewandowski wrote:
>> This has nothing to do with needlework. I'm studying Flash and my
>> books have links to pertinent sites. I'm just mesmerized with this
>> German site and visit every day for the sheer joy of it. You have to
>> be really patient and allow it to flow over you. Don't be hasty. Let
>> things happen. Sip your tea or wine. And be sure to play with the
>> buttons and especially click on "shop" at the first menu system.
>>
>> Have fun. http://www.derbauer.de/index1.html
>> Dianne
>
>
> Ick. Blatant Flash abuse. Flash was never meant to be used to
> construct an entire site and shouldn't be used as such. It was always
> intended to be an element.
I must agree Becky. The website designers have allowed the medium to
get in the way of the message.
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Dianne Lewandowski
> Ick. Blatant Flash abuse. Flash was never meant to be used to
> construct an entire site and shouldn't be used as such. It was always
> intended to be an element.
That, of course, is your opinion. Things are changing with Flash.
> It might look pretty to you, but it completely sucks if you're blind or
> visually impaired. There's no accommodation for screen readers or text
> enlargement software. Neither are there any tooltips when the mouse is
> hovered.
The site is built by an "audio/visual/media" company. So, it therefore
won't be suited to the blind or the deaf no matter what they did.
Many plain Jane packages aren't accessible sites.
> The navigation is extremely awkward and leaves you at the mercy of the
> Flash designer. One's browser back button is ineffective when using
> that site, which is a cardinal sin.
That may be true, but the reason that I posted about it was so that some
of you - who might appreciate it - could allow the "experience". Like
going to a movie. For the type of company that they are, the artistry
is amazing and appropriate.
Dianne
Karen C - California
> The website designers have allowed the medium to
> get in the way of the message.
Common problem with novice website designers. They soooo want to show
off all the things they can do that they clutter it up with every trick
they've learned on the first page. Takes ten years to load on dial-up.
Then, as Sheena observes, you get a migraine from all the busy-ness.
--
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Pat P
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You old wet blanket, you! Like Lucille, I`ve bookmarked it to dip into from
time to time!
Pat P
Becky A
> Becky A wrote:
>
>> Ick. Blatant Flash abuse. Flash was never meant to be used to
>> construct an entire site and shouldn't be used as such. It was always
>> intended to be an element.
>
> That, of course, is your opinion. Things are changing with Flash.
Okay, let me reword: Flash was never meant to be used to construct an
entire site. It was always intended to be an element. Using it to
construct an entire site risks alienating a decent sized segment of the
audience.
>> It might look pretty to you, but it completely sucks if you're blind
>> or visually impaired. There's no accommodation for screen readers or
>> text enlargement software. Neither are there any tooltips when the
>> mouse is hovered.
>
> The site is built by an "audio/visual/media" company. So, it therefore
> won't be suited to the blind or the deaf no matter what they did.
That's somewhat discriminatory, isn't it? A fair sized chunk of their
business is B-Traxx mixing samples. I know of at least a few
blind/visually impaired people that compose tunes using samples and mix
loops. This would be right up their alley....but oh...too bad they
can't navigate the website.
> Many plain Jane packages aren't accessible sites.
Which is a damned shame. If more people took the time to learn a bit
more about how to write code that conforms to W3C specifications, rather
then really crappy kludgewerk, then perhaps more sites would be accessible.
>> The navigation is extremely awkward and leaves you at the mercy of the
>> Flash designer. One's browser back button is ineffective when using
>> that site, which is a cardinal sin.
>
> That may be true, but the reason that I posted about it was so that some
> of you - who might appreciate it - could allow the "experience". Like
> going to a movie. For the type of company that they are, the artistry
> is amazing and appropriate.
Truthfully, having a background in both web design AND the music
world...I have to say (as a personal opinion) that it's a steaming pile.
It's trying far too hard to be edgy, hip, and modern...and it's coming
off as poorly-designed, pretentious, and unprofessional.
I know you're learning about Flash, Dianne, and I think that's super
cool. You deserve a better role-model than Derbauer. Like lots of
things, Flash is easy to learn and hard to master. Remember that when
surfing around the net. Most of the sites you will run into are
designed by people in their Flash design diapers.
You can do better than them. I know it!
Becky
ricar...@spambtinternet.com
> Okay, let me reword: Flash was never meant to be used to construct an
> entire site. It was always intended to be an element. Using it to
> construct an entire site risks alienating a decent sized segment of the
> audience.
Becky,
I've signed their guestbook (after a struggle) - suggest you do the same.
Dianne Lewandowski
> Okay, let me reword: Flash was never meant to be used to construct an
> entire site. It was always intended to be an element. Using it to
> construct an entire site risks alienating a decent sized segment of the
> audience.
<huge smile> But some sites aren't meant for everybody. That's like
expecting everyone to appreciate the New York Times, or The New Yorker,
or The Atlantic Monthly. Some sites just have their peculiar audience.
They neither appeal to everyone, nor should they be particularly
accessible to everyone . . . for that might defeat the initial purpose.
Sort of like not having normal museums because the blind can't see the
pictures. Not everything can be accessible to everyone.
I'm designing a church website and am going to do my best to ensure that
it is compatible/accessible.
> Which is a damned shame. If more people took the time to learn a bit
> more about how to write code that conforms to W3C specifications, rather
> then really crappy kludgewerk, then perhaps more sites would be accessible.
Well, I'm trying to learn. <smile> But not every site needs to be
accessible. And a lot of designers simply aren't aware. Or, they have
a poor attitude. I hear what you're trying to say, and I do agree that
sites should be accessible. But some sites will always be focused
toward a given audience.
>>> The navigation is extremely awkward and leaves you at the mercy of
>>> the Flash designer. One's browser back button is ineffective when
>>> using that site, which is a cardinal sin.
You're looking at it from a site design perspective. I was looking at
it from an art perspective. It's a truly amazing site and accomplishes
what I could only dream of accomplishing. I'm just not that talented.
> Truthfully, having a background in both web design AND the music
> world...I have to say (as a personal opinion) that it's a steaming pile.
> It's trying far too hard to be edgy, hip, and modern...and it's coming
> off as poorly-designed, pretentious, and unprofessional.
Ahhh, sort of similar to not liking abstract art. I'm sorry you didn't
appreciate it on a different sphere.
> I know you're learning about Flash, Dianne, and I think that's super
> cool. You deserve a better role-model than Derbauer. Like lots of
> things, Flash is easy to learn and hard to master. Remember that when
> surfing around the net. Most of the sites you will run into are
> designed by people in their Flash design diapers.
Flash is not easy to learn at all. It is complex and requires you to
keep a tremendous amount in your brain at the same time. And then, on
top of it, you have to be an artist to truly convey what you're trying
to do. I'm learning it to keep my brain working. After battling for
four years, I was pretty much mush. At my age, I can't afford to be
mushy, so I reached out to the challenge. Not sure I'm getting more
sharp, but I'm not getting any worse! <huge smile>
> You can do better than them. I know it!
Bless your heart. Thanks for the support. Unfortunately, I can't
afford 3D Studio! And I'm not sure I have the talent to work with it.
Although it IS tempting.
ricar...@spambtinternet.com
> I'm designing a church website and am going to do my best to ensure that
> it is compatible/accessible.
You may find <http://validator.w3.org/> will be of some use to you. I
"look after" the website of our old church in Yorkshire
<www.caytonwitheastfield.co.uk>. Although it fails some of the more
esoteric W3C checks it is still accessible to a friend of ours who has
been blind since birth yet managed to acquire a degree in maths and
holds down a full-time job providing second-line IT support to a large
UK government organisation.
Dianne Lewandowski
> You may find <http://validator.w3.org/> will be of some use to you. I
> "look after" the website of our old church in Yorkshire
> <www.caytonwitheastfield.co.uk>.
Thanks much for the link(s). I'll more than likely make use of the
Validator site.
Dianne