LNS in Alabamastan
Tia Mary
Since Janet (my stitchin' buddy) won't have the time to go to a
needlework show, we were talking about taking an overnight trip to a
LNS. That is assuming we can find one that is worth the trip! I would
do the driving and we would leave from Janet's house in Birmingham.
Does anyone out there know of any really good LNS within a 2 to 3 hour
drive from B'ham?
I told Janet we should do this for her b'day which is in early April
so I need to start looking for a shop now. Janet is NOT a traveler so
we only want to be away from home for one night. With my back problems
and arthritis, I don't want to have to drive more than 2 or 3 hours,
especially since I might want to drive Janet home, rest for a bit at her
house and then make the 2 1/2 hr. drive back to my home in the same day.
Janet did say there was supposed to be a fairly nice LNS in
Huntsville, AL but she doesn't know anyone who has been there. Does
anyone here know of this shop -- and NO I have no idea what the name of
it is. Janet will check for LNS when she gets to work next week but we
would *really* like to have a personal recommendation from someone.
Thanks bunches & CiaoMeow >^;;^<
PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
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StitchinGranna
From the Hoffmandis site, the following shops are listed in Alabama --
a.. HEART OF DIXIE QUILT SHOP, 630 B S JEFFERSON , ATHENS, AL, 35611
Phone: 256-232-0508 , Website:http://heartofdixiequiltshop.com , Email:
w...@heartofdixiequiltshop.com
b.. OUT OF THE BOX, 103 S MAIN ST , BOAZ, AL, 35957
Phone: 256-840-0059 , Email: wallscu...@bellsouth.net
c.. CROSS STITCH PEDDLER, 124 14TH STREET SW SUITE D-1, DECATUR, AL, 35601
Phone: 256-350-7780
d.. AMI'S NEEDLEWORK, 7857 HWY 59 S-STE C , FOLEY, AL, 36535
Phone: 251-987-1284 , Email: amisnee...@gulftel.com
e.. STITCHERS HAVEN, 1600 GUNTER AVENUE , GUNTERSVILLE, AL, 35976
Phone: 256-582-8234 , Email: stit...@hiwaay.net
f.. NEEDLEWORKS, LLC, 2810 CRESCENT AVE , HOMEWOOD, AL, 35209
Phone: 205-870-5191
g.. PATCHES & STITCHES, 603 HUMES AVE. , HUNTSVILLE, AL, 35801
Phone: 256-533-3886 , Website:http://www.patchesandstitches.biz , Email:
patch...@knology.net
h.. CROSS-STITCH EMPORIUM, 1992 CR 103 , KILLEN, AL, 35645
Phone: 256-757-9853 , Email: ga...@hiwaay.net
BUT, before going to any of these shops, be sure to call and be sure they
are still open and in business. I have found shops listed here that are no
longer in business. Sorry I can't attest to how great any of these shops
are as I haven't been to any of them, but the one in Huntsville does have a
webpage.
Love in Stitches,
Coleen
"Tia Mary" <CatWo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Patricia Amos
'Patches and Stitches' is in Huntsville. Mostly quilting materials
but some crossstitch and a variety of threads.
Gillian Murray
> Just bringing this to your attention Gillian, even though you are not
> a guy either, don't you have a list and personal knowledge about all
> sorts of LNS ??
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:09:51 -0500, Tia Mary <CatWo...@aol.com>
> opined:
Simple answer, Sheena. NO!
All I have on my list is:
ALABAMA
Huntsville--- PATCHES & STITCHES, 603 HUMES AVE. , HUNTSVILLE, AL, 35801
Phone: 256-533-3886 , Website:http://www.patchesandstitches.biz
Email: patch...@knology.net (more quilty than stitchy, so I have heard.)
Foley ---Supposedly there is one there, and still in business. Big
outlet Mall there also, and a restaurant that claims it is the home of
"throwed rolls".
Mobile ---Beverly's NeedleArts.,
I was on the 1-2-3 list updating info. There are a lot of stitchers
there, and I asked for shops in their areas. Got a lot of info, and am
about to format it a bit.
Gill
Tia Mary
> Just bringing this to your attention Gillian, even though you are not
> a guy either, don't you have a list and personal knowledge about all
> sorts of LNS ??
Since I don't ever use the term "gal" then ***MY*** use of the term
"guy" is generic and refers to anyone who happens to read my post,
regardless of gender. My generation (which is the one after yours, I
think) has used the term to mean both male and female -- at least the
West coast version of my generation. I'm really sorry that the language
hasn't stayed static since the 40's but if it makes you feel more
"whatever" to poke fun at my use of the term "guy" to address everyone,
then go for it! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
Tia Mary
> ....<snipped>.....
> ALABAMA
>
> Huntsville--- PATCHES & STITCHES, 603 HUMES AVE. , HUNTSVILLE, AL, 35801
> Phone: 256-533-3886 , Website:http://www.patchesandstitches.biz
> Email: patch...@knology.net (more quilty than stitchy, so I have heard.)
>
> Foley ---Supposedly there is one there, and still in business. Big
> outlet Mall there also, and a restaurant that claims it is the home of
> "throwed rolls".
>
> Mobile ---Beverly's NeedleArts.,
>
> I was on the 1-2-3 list updating info. There are a lot of stitchers
> there, and I asked for shops in their areas. Got a lot of info, and am
> about to format it a bit.
>
> Gill
I got a list (an e-mail sent from one of our readers) of several LNS
that are not too terribly far from Janet in B'ham. Thanks bunches &
lucille
It's fine to use guys as long as you don't say "You'se guys" the way all the
wait staff does here in the south.
lucille
"lucretia borgia" <lucreti...@florence.it> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:08:51 -0500, "lucille" <lzo...@comcast.net>
> opined:
> gals" to a group of four or five men sitting at a table ?
Guys was acceptable as a colloquialism where I grew up. What annoys me
more, and I have blown up at work more then once, was when some big shot
referred to his Administrative Asst. or his Secretary as "my girl." That
made me state in no uncertain terms, I am not your anything, and certainly
not your girl.
Gillian Murray
Ya know something. I live in Central Florida and I greatly dislike the
"youse guys", folks" etc. What the hell is wrong with Sir and Ma'am???
They are not my chosen friends, they are employees I don't know and as
such should treat me that way.
OOOOPS you caught one of my real dislikes@
Tia Mary, Would you like me to send you the list I have. It isn't
perfect, shops come and go....and if you have input it would be
gratefully appreciated.
Gill
lucille
> On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:16:46 -0500, "lucille" <lzo...@comcast.net>
> opined:
> that if I was younger like her, I wouldn't mind 'guys' !
>
> None of the men I worked with ever dared say that to me - lol -
> thinking back (I mean like millions of years back of course) I think
> they all asked how I would like to be addressed and I said Sheena
> would be fine.
I assure you, they didn't say it in front of me twice.
ellice
I thought "you'se guys" has that very Jersey or Brooklyn/Bronx sound. Not
thinking of the south - that's more of the "what'll ya'aaalllll have"
ellice
Tia Mary
> Trust me, I don't wish to be a gal either ! However, I am not male so
> do not like generic 'guys' - there was a poll at one point a few years
> ago and most women did not like guys either, so it's not just me. Now
> it might just have been a Canadian survey, I don't recall.
>
> I'm wondering now just how old you think I am !!!
Well, you talk story about what happened during WW2 so I assume you
are 70-ish. Age wise, that doesn't make you a generation older than
MOI -- I'm early 60's. Language wise -- especially when you toss in the
different nationalities -- it makes for a much larger gap. I'm smack in
the middle of the baby boomer era & grew up in Los Angeles so that has a
HUGE impact on how I was raised and the way I speak -- LOL!
When I was growing up, the use of the word "guys" really was generic
-- even the nuns in the Catholic high school I attended (I graduated in
1964) used the term for the whole class. I think it's likely akin to
using a male pronoun when talking about a group of individuals. I don't
think younger kids even know that guys was a male pronoun and gals was
the female! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
ellice
I'm totally with you on this one. Along with hon...And I also think that at
work I'd rather as a woman use Ms. Or a title, as opposed to Mrs., after all
we don't expect men to indicate their marital status in the workplace.
Worst, although a pretty good boss - who hired me from grad school - was a
winker. I hate that. Didn't do it to me too much - I think our Chief
Scientist clued him in, although I would hear from the CS that the boss was
very perplexed at dealing with me. Couldn't quite get the hands-on,
engineer girl thing, and it was distressing him that I was so much more than
equal (and smarter/quicker than the very nice but somewhat slower older guys
in the group). Confused me 'cause he'd hired me. With lots of wooing, so
to speak. But, I found out he really must've been a ladies man type, as he
was constantly charming the admin staff - who were a bit more "traditional"
- they really did work for him, but forget doing stuff for me. I put it
down to a lot of the subtle winking, elbow squeezing, etc that he did. Oh,
well.
I think my always in trouble Army office mate once called another (same
rank) Air Force woman something along the lines of "baby cakes" during some
in the office discussion (it wasn't a fight). She went ballistic -
especially as she had a stay at home husband. It was funny in that he spoke
to everyone in a very informal way, and while I'd tell him he was going over
the line, he just didn't recognize how crazy this woman would go.
Fortunately no one got written up. When this same guy called me something
like that, I just answered by calling him "sweet cheeks" - sometimes going
to the same level works better.
But, I do hate when women - or men - anyone who works with someone, or in a
subordinate position - is referred to as "my girl or my boy or even my guy"
-Just not right to put that property connotation.
Ellice
Tia Mary
> Well that busts TMs suggestion that I am so old I am behind the times,
> that if I was younger like her, I wouldn't mind 'guys' !
Oh HOG WASH -- I never said any such thing! You are older than me,
maybe a whole generation (that's still about 20 years isn't it?) but I
don't know for sure. You tell stories about things you remember from
living through the war so you had to be alive well before 1940. You
grew up in a different part of the world in a vastly different society
than I did and from things you have posted, language seems to be one of
the things you would have liked to have stayed more static. Hells
Bells, I would like language to be more like what I grew up with. I
cuss like a sailor when talking with Dh & DD and some friends but I have
a problem with characters on prime time TV shows cursing, even if it IS
what is considered to be rather "run of the mill" language! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
Tia Mary
> ....<snipped>....
> perfect, shops come and go....and if you have input it would be
> gratefully appreciated.
>
> Gill
I'll have to send you a copy of the list I got in the e-mail. There
were several shops on it that you didn't mention! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
epc...@mindspring.com
wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:03:36 -0500, Tia Mary <CatWom7...@aol.com>
> opined:
> do not like generic 'guys' - there was a poll at one point a few years
> ago and most women did not like guys either, so it's not just me. Now
> it might just have been a Canadian survey, I don't recall.
My students use "guys" as a gender-neutral catch all. I prefer y'all.
Elizabeth
epc...@mindspring.com
wrote:
> Well that busts TMs suggestion that I am so old I am behind the times,
> that if I was younger like her, I wouldn't mind 'guys' !
That's a pretty skewed reading of what Tia Mary actually said,
Sheena. Just sayin',
Elizabeth
epc...@mindspring.com
> lucille wrote:
>
> > "Tia Mary" <CatWom7...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:70bc1r...@mid.individual.net...
> >> lucretia borgia wrote:
> >>> Just bringing this to your attention Gillian, even though you are not
> >>> a guy either, don't you have a list and personal knowledge about all
> >>> sorts of LNS ??
>
> >> Since I don't ever use the term "gal" then ***MY*** use of the term
> >> "guy" is generic and refers to anyone who happens to read my post,
> >> regardless of gender. My generation (which is the one after yours, I
> >> think) has used the term to mean both male and female -- at least the
> >> West coast version of my generation. I'm really sorry that the
> >> language hasn't stayed static since the 40's but if it makes you feel
> >> more "whatever" to poke fun at my use of the term "guy" to address
> >> everyone, then go for it! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
>
> >> PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
> >> Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
> >> their whiskers!
> >> Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary
>
> > It's fine to use guys as long as you don't say "You'se guys" the way all
> > the wait staff does here in the south.
>
> Ya know something. I live in Central Florida and I greatly dislike the
> "youse guys", folks" etc. What the hell is wrong with Sir and Ma'am???
> They are not my chosen friends, they are employees I don't know and as
> such should treat me that way.
So employees are some how subservient to you? I HATE being called
Ma'am.
Elizabeth
lucille
"ellice" <egi...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I hear that all the time here in Port St. Lousy. Maybe these kids are
transplanted Noo Yawkas.
It's like, they all, like, seem to like pick up any bad speech pattern
that they like hear. Has the word like become acceptable with the kids?
Or is it just a fad?
>
lucille
> On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:07:39 -0500, "lucille" <lzo...@comcast.net>
> opined:
>
>
>>>>Guys was acceptable as a colloquialism where I grew up. What annoys me
>>>>more, and I have blown up at work more then once, was when some big shot
>>>>referred to his Administrative Asst. or his Secretary as "my girl."
>>>>That
>>>>made me state in no uncertain terms, I am not your anything, and
>>>>certainly
>>>>not your girl.
>>>
>>> Well that busts TMs suggestion that I am so old I am behind the times,
>>> that if I was younger like her, I wouldn't mind 'guys' !
>>>
>>> None of the men I worked with ever dared say that to me - lol -
>>> thinking back (I mean like millions of years back of course) I think
>>> they all asked how I would like to be addressed and I said Sheena
>>> would be fine.
>>
>>I assure you, they didn't say it in front of me twice.
>>
>
> enormous bite lol
My husband once bought me a lapel pin that proudly stated "Us little guys
fight back."
Gillian Murray
Guess it is the way I was raised, and when I was working I was
polite,respectful and courteous to my clients; they were employing me to
perform my work. Also probably a generational issue....inasmuch as you
are my DD's age LOL! In school we had to call the male teachers
(masters) Sir, and the females ( mistresses) Madam.
To this day, if someone I don't know does something for me, such as
hold a door open, I always say Thank you, sir or ma'am...I don't know
his/her names, so this is a courtesy.
Gill
Tia Mary
> ...>snipped<...
> but why would I want to be called 'guy' - that says to me that I am
> being given an honour, being allowed to be called one of the guys.
> Stop and think about the words which have male and female
> designations, Chairman, workman, fisherman and then think about the
> female ones like housewife.
I use the term "guys" as a truly generic pronoun and you see or
hear it as a male pronoun.
> I watch very little television for a start but have zero interest in
> the shows like that - to me it says that the actors have little
> ability to entertain if they have to resort to being foul-mouthed....<snipped>...
It has nothing to do with an actors ability to entertain. It's
the dialogue that is written because this is what is expected by kids
today since because this is the way they speak -- as least in the USA.
It's not at all unusual to hear TV actors liberally sprinkle their
dialogue with "damn", "son of a bitch" etc.
> I have always used what I feel is the appropriate word in the
> appropriate place but I notice these days it doesn't cause shock and
> horror anymore !
LOL -- I'm afraid NOTHING brings shock & horror anymore. Well,
except for when Americans go to Europe and see nudity in the magazines
and on the telly. Can't do that here -- you can cut up living bodies,
maim, maul & mutilate people, rape, beat and torture...... just don't
show a naked breast!!!!! Odd, very odd to say the least. CiaoMeow >^;;^<
--
Bruce Fletcher (remove dentures to reply)
> My students use "guys" as a gender-neutral catch all. I prefer y'all.
Here the tendency is to use "folks", "people", "everyone" or
"everybody". In more formal settings "ladies & gentlemen" would be used
or, if appropriate "my lords, ladies & gentlemen". No doubt Debrett has
umpteen pages on this sort of thing <g>
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney UK
<http://claremont.island-blogging.co.uk>
Bruce Fletcher (remove dentures to reply)
> Guess it is the way I was raised, and when I was working I was
> polite,respectful and courteous to my clients; they were employing me to
> perform my work. Also probably a generational issue....inasmuch as you
> are my DD's age LOL! In school we had to call the male teachers
> (masters) Sir, and the females ( mistresses) Madam.
>
> To this day, if someone I don't know does something for me, such as
> hold a door open, I always say Thank you, sir or ma'am...I don't know
> his/her names, so this is a courtesy.
At school in the 1950s the boys were always addressed by their surname,
girls were always addressed by their Christian name. It was usual for
boys to address each other by their surname or a nickname, using
Christian names was deemed to be rather "cissy". This was noticeable at
a school reunion about 10 years ago, lots of males aged 50+ still using
surnames or nicknames in casual chat; the reasons for many of the
nicknames were lost in the mists of time or discreetly "forgotten"!
epc...@mindspring.com
> Guess it is the way I was raised, and when I was working I was
> polite,respectful and courteous to my clients; they were employing me to
> perform my work. Also probably a generational issue....inasmuch as you
> are my DD's age LOL! In school we had to call the male teachers
> (masters) Sir, and the females ( mistresses) Madam.
I think you can be courteous without being subservient. Performing a
service doesn't mean that the person for whom I am performing it owns
me.
> To this day, if someone I don't know does something for me, such as
> hold a door open, I always say Thank you, sir or ma'am...I don't know
> his/her names, so this is a courtesy.
I'll add the sir or ma'am if they're significantly older than I, other
wise I simply say "thank you" with a megawatt smile.
Elizabeth
Gillian Murray
Ah, well, viva la difference! If we all had the same opinions life would
be terribly monotonous.
Now, to really piss you off, I spent some time this afternoon planting
tomatoes in big pots on the deck, and planting some new herbs in a shady
bed. I sincerely trust we have seen the last killing frost. It is so
nice to have dirt under the fingernails again!
Gill
lucille
<epc...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Elizabeth
I'm significantly older and to this day if someone says ma'am to me I'm
taken aback and look around to see who they might be talking to.
I think the use of sir or madam may have to do with where you were educated.
We called our teachers Miss, or Mrs. or Mister and I don't remember being
taught to use Sir or Madam at all.
Lucille
Bruce Fletcher (remove dentures to reply)
> She just doesn't wish to be called Hon, dear, Gillian or Guy, I am
> sure she will take any neutral term, as would I. In fact, it rarely
> calls for any specific term in a restaurant particularly, it is
> superfluous.
Is "Hon" an abbreviation of "Honey" or "Honourable"?
Ericka
> I don't want the language to remain static, there would be no point,
> but why would I want to be called 'guy' - that says to me that I am
> being given an honour, being allowed to be called one of the guys.
In all of my dictionaries of American English, "guy"
is defined as a male person ("I was talking to this guy
yesterday...") but "guys" is defined as an informal term to refer to
a group of people of either (or mixed) gender ("You guys want
some coffee?").
Best wishes,
Ericka
Gillian Murray
> lucretia borgia wrote:>
>> She just doesn't wish to be called Hon, dear, Gillian or Guy, I am
>> sure she will take any neutral term, as would I. In fact, it rarely
>> calls for any specific term in a restaurant particularly, it is
>> superfluous.
>
> Is "Hon" an abbreviation of "Honey" or "Honourable"?
EVERYONE is HON.
Gill
Gillian Murray
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:44:22 -0500, Ericka <e...@invalid.invalid>
> opined:
> one of the guys ---- Proud to be female.
Gonna wave yoyr bra to prove it??? r.d.h.
Gill
BTW, I have met Sheena, and if she is a guy, she fooled all of us.
Fran
Now, depending on where you are, "y'al"l can be either plural or
singular. If you *really* want to be sure you are using a plural,
then there's the definative "All y'all" ;)
lucille
"Gillian Murray" <gillm...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I always thought that meant the person calling me hon didn't remember my
name.
epc...@mindspring.com
> Now, to really piss you off, I spent some time this afternoon planting
> tomatoes in big pots on the deck, and planting some new herbs in a shady
> bed. I sincerely trust we have seen the last killing frost. It is so
> nice to have dirt under the fingernails again!
And this is meant to piss me off, why exactly? It's February. The
only thing pissing me off is that it's raining right now instead of
snowing.
Elizabeth (who plans to retire to Maine)
epc...@mindspring.com
wrote:> opined:
>
>
>
> >On Feb 21, 5:32 pm, lucretia borgia <lucretiabor...@florence.it>
> >wrote:
> >> On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:03:36 -0500, Tia Mary <CatWom7...@aol.com>
> >> opined:
>
> >> >lucretia borgia wrote:
> >> >> Just bringing this to your attention Gillian, even though you are not
> >> >> a guy either, don't you have a list and personal knowledge about all
> >> >> sorts of LNS ??
>
> >> > Since I don't ever use the term "gal" then ***MY*** use of the term
> >> >"guy" is generic and refers to anyone who happens to read my post,
> >> >regardless of gender. My generation (which is the one after yours, I
> >> >think) has used the term to mean both male and female -- at least the
> >> >West coast version of my generation. I'm really sorry that the language
> >> >hasn't stayed static since the 40's but if it makes you feel more
> >> >"whatever" to poke fun at my use of the term "guy" to address everyone,
> >> >then go for it! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
>
> >> >PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
> >> >Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
> >> >their whiskers!
>
> >> Trust me, I don't wish to be a gal either ! However, I am not male so
> >> do not like generic 'guys' - there was a poll at one point a few years
> >> ago and most women did not like guys either, so it's not just me. Now
> >> it might just have been a Canadian survey, I don't recall.
>
> >My students use "guys" as a gender-neutral catch all. I prefer y'all.
>
> >Elizabeth
>
> definitely masculine and I AM NOT A GUY ! Others may be confused
> about their gender, but not me !
Well, if you're going to be *that* way about it, you should say "not
I." LOL!
Elizabeth.
epc...@mindspring.com
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 05:56:11 -0800 (PST), epc...@mindspring.com
> opined:
> sure she will take any neutral term, as would I. In fact, it rarely
> calls for any specific term in a restaurant particularly, it is
> superfluous.
Um, excuse me? Did you read what she said? She would like to be
called "ma'am." And I'm sure that Gillian can speak for herself.
LOL!
Elizabeth
epc...@mindspring.com
Honey. In New England it's part of the waitress uniform (but I've
never heard a waiter use it, at least not a straight one).
Elizabeth
epc...@mindspring.com
"Y'all" is NEVER properly singular.
Elizabeth
Olwyn Mary
>>>She just doesn't wish to be called Hon, dear, Gillian or Guy, I am
>>>sure she will take any neutral term, as would I. In fact, it rarely
>>>calls for any specific term in a restaurant particularly, it is
>>>superfluous.
>>
>>Is "Hon" an abbreviation of "Honey" or "Honourable"?
>>--
>>Bruce Fletcher
>>Stronsay, Orkney UK
>><http://claremont.island-blogging.co.uk>
>
>
> Honey. In New England it's part of the waitress uniform (but I've
> never heard a waiter use it, at least not a straight one).
>
> Elizabeth
Here in the Big Easy it is "dawlin" (the N.O. pronunciation of
darling). Used indiscriminately, the way other places use hon, or babe,
or dearie. You get used to it, but I think in many cases I am with
Gillian. "Call me madam." Particularly when it is an 18 yo doctor's or
dentists receptionist, calling me by my first name "because that's
friendlier". No, it isn't. It is rude and presumptuous. You are not
my friend - yet. You may become so at some time in the future, but for
the moment, please address me by title as Mrs.---------.
Olwyn Mary, (punchy, having seen so many parades the last two weekends.
Bacchus is rolling right now, and we went up to watch it for a while,
but it is too cold for us - we are spoiled these days. Our guests are
still there watching and catching beads, and I prominsed them hot soup
if they stop back before heading for home in the 'burbs.)
epc...@mindspring.com
>
> Here in the Big Easy it is "dawlin" (the N.O. pronunciation of
> darling). Used indiscriminately, the way other places use hon, or babe,
> or dearie. You get used to it, but I think in many cases I am with
> Gillian. "Call me madam." Particularly when it is an 18 yo doctor's or
> dentists receptionist, calling me by my first name "because that's
> friendlier". No, it isn't. It is rude and presumptuous. You are not
> my friend - yet. You may become so at some time in the future, but for
> the moment, please address me by title as Mrs.---------.
And I don't mind being called by my first name nearly as much as I
mind "Mrs." My title is "Dr." or "Professor." In a pinch it's "Ms."
but it is NEVER "Mrs." Never, never, NEVER.
Elizabeth
Olwyn.Mary
> And I don't mind being called by my first name nearly as much as I
> mind "Mrs." My title is "Dr." or "Professor." In a pinch it's "Ms."
> but it is NEVER "Mrs." Never, never, NEVER.
>
> Elizabeth
Unfortunately, nowadays Mrs. is the only way I can be formally
addressed. Here in the Deep South, Ms is either unknown, or considered
to be peculiar. I have grown used to the local usage of Miss Olwyn, and
all the little kids in the neighborhood address me as Grandma Olwyn
because they have trouble with my other name. It's just I have this
quirk about the aforementioned receptionists etc. speaking to me as
though we were friends, when I have no idea who they are. Perhaps a
little background might help some. As you all know, like Gillian I grew
up in England. When I was working there before I married and we came
over here, the manners in my office were pretty formal, and I was Miss
Harrison to everyone except intimates at my own pay grade. Early
training sticks!!
Olwyn Mary in New Orleans
Bruce Fletcher (remove dentures to reply)
> Here in the Big Easy it is "dawlin" (the N.O. pronunciation of
> darling). Used indiscriminately, the way other places use hon, or babe,
> or dearie. You get used to it, but I think in many cases I am with
> Gillian. "Call me madam." Particularly when it is an 18 yo doctor's or
> dentists receptionist, calling me by my first name "because that's
> friendlier". No, it isn't. It is rude and presumptuous. You are not
> my friend - yet. You may become so at some time in the future, but for
> the moment, please address me by title as Mrs.---------.
When we lived in Devon we both became accustomed to being addressed as
"my handsome" by males & females alike; females, regardless of age, were
often referred to as "maids". In the Potteries (Stoke-on-Trent) it was
"my duck". And of course in the North of England every is "luv"
(according to Coronation Street!)
epc...@mindspring.com
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:46:49 -0800 (PST), epc...@mindspring.com
> opined:
> >"Y'all" is NEVER properly singular.
>
> >Elizabeth
>
> I assume it is a contraction of 'you all' as in not 'you'se guys' ?
Yes.
Elizabeth
epc...@mindspring.com
wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:11:58 -0800 (PST), epc...@mindspring.com
> opined:
> original name anyway, even though it was very difficult those many
> years ago, so adding Mrs. to it made no sense.
I've ALWAYS liked you.
Elizabeth
Bruce Fletcher (remove dentures to reply)
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:21:13 +0000, "Bruce Fletcher (remove dentures
> to reply)" <ricardi...@btinternet.com> opined:
In a true, rich Devonian accent it would indeed; think of Robert Newton
as Long John Silver in "Treasure Island"...
Tia Mary
> Mrs was always the biggest sin in the book with me because I kept my
> original name anyway, even though it was very difficult those many
> years ago, so adding Mrs. to it made no sense.
>
> possible. Strangely I find it is mostly necessary to use one when
> shopping online. I would have expected the www to be more
> up-to-date.
I always wondered why women want to keep their "original" name once
married. I mean, face it, the name you grew up with is STILL a mans
name that your mother took on when she got married! When DD got married
she kept her birth name and added her DH's name with a hyphen. I told
her now she had TWO men's names -- I do so love to pester that child --
LOL! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
MargW
> Bruce Fletcher (remove dentures to reply) wrote:
>> lucretia borgia wrote:>
>>> She just doesn't wish to be called Hon, dear, Gillian or Guy, I am
>>> sure she will take any neutral term, as would I. In fact, it rarely
>>> calls for any specific term in a restaurant particularly, it is
>>> superfluous.
>>
>> Is "Hon" an abbreviation of "Honey" or "Honourable"?
> EVERYONE is HON.
>
> Gill
My favourite story about the term 'Hon' is from a friend who was taking
a very high powered German business man around Maryland. (The friend
lived in Washington, and had a summer home on the Chesapeake). They
stopped for lunch, and of course, the waitress used "Hon" in referring
to them. ""Anymore coffee, Hon?"
After the third or fourth time, the visitor, visibly upset, asked our
friend, in German, "Why is she calling me a Hun?" After getting his
startled laughter under control, Robert explained the difference.
MargW
The Lady Gardener
"lucretia borgia" wrote in message .
I prefer my ordinary name and always omit the Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms whenever
possible. Strangely I find it is mostly necessary to use one when
shopping online. I would have expected the www to be more
up-to-date.
you've just nailed my pet peeve........why does one need a title at all. I
can almost understand it if some grammatically correct correspondence of
immense importance is to ensue, but in my experience that is seldom the
case. Where it is the case I am seldom given the salutation of Mrs X, but
more often addressed as personal and warm as one can get with Dear Customer,
or worse, Dear Valued Customer. If one has a name that might apply to
either gender there may be some sort of assistance rendered by a title, but
at this late hour of the night I am hard pressed to think of any........My
former husband has an old fashioned male name, that became popular as a
girl's name about the time he reached high school - so he ended up on the
girls list each year....he survived, and went on to name his daughters silly
fashion names that they may struggle with for many years.
If I want to buy socks or notepaper on line the sender, package or mailman
are all unlikely to care as to my marital status. (Where forms ask for my
marital status I usually respond with something along the lines of dubious,
confused, uncertain or doubtful depending on my frame of mind at the time).
My name prior to marriage was complicated, and after marriage it is long and
very prone to mis-spelling........if I had the will I'd change it to
something else, but then I list all the things I'd have to alter and go off
the idea.
I could rant all night...........
Joanne in Perth, WA
MargW
Well, there are lots of reasons, but one of them is convenience. When I
married and took my husband's name, I had to change all my personal id.
My maiden name was much shorter, and if I were getting married today,
I would probably just stay with my maiden name.
A friend went through marriage (changed name), divorce (changed back to
maiden name), married (this time stayed with maiden name, rather than go
through the hassle of changing all her id again). She still had
problems since she ended up being guardian to two underaged brothers,
mother to two children (with father's surname), and all their
supplementary health insurance was in her name. Total confusion.
In Quebec nowadays, it is the law that women keep their maiden names.
MargW
lucille
"lucretia borgia" <lucreti...@florence.it> wrote in message
news:end5q490mkddrs735...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:15:18 GMT, "The Lady Gardener"
> <thelady...@gmail.com> opined:
> they are all in my name with no Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms before the name, so I
> am actually adding something that is not on my account. If I pay
> with Pay Pal (seems one can do that much more frequently now) I have
> to be Ms. NSBucket - it's very disappointing.
I thought about that and try to leave it blank, but some sites simply won't
allow that and it doesn't seem important enough to get upset about.
Tia Mary
It had nothing to do with a man's name or otherwise. My brother was
> killed when I was 15, it was a super traumatic event for me as I had
> to ID his mutilated body on a slab in a morgue.
>
> I knew how it devastated my parents, especially my mother, but I knew
> when I married how happy it would make my father if I continued to use
> my birth surname, and it did. ...<snipped>....
AHHH -- totally different set of circumstances and perfectly
understandable. Good for you -- it is sooo rewarding to tangle with the
federales from time to time! Especially when you WIN, which doesn't
often happen!!! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
Tia Mary
> "lucretia borgia" wrote in message .
>
> I prefer my ordinary name and always omit the Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms whenever
> possible. Strangely I find it is mostly necessary to use one when
> shopping online. I would have expected the www to be more
> up-to-date.
>
> you've just nailed my pet peeve........why does one need a title at all.
>..... snipped .....
It's all those statistics and demographics, etc., I should imagine.
So much of any society is putting everyone in the proper pigeonhole
and the Net isn't really any different. Well, not necessarily the Net
but corporations and all sorts of businesses. They need to know how
many of each subset have signed up or signed in or signed on or bought
something....... CiaoMeow >^;;^<
lucille
> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:14:05 -0500, "lucille" <lzo...@comcast.net>
> opined:
Splat--gotcha--=--Hardly! But I figure why sweat the small stuff.
epc...@mindspring.com
> lucretia borgia wrote:
> > Mrs was always the biggest sin in the book with me because I kept my
> > original name anyway, even though it was very difficult those many
> > years ago, so adding Mrs. to it made no sense.
>
> > I prefer my ordinary name and always omit the Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms whenever
> > possible. Strangely I find it is mostly necessary to use one when
> > shopping online. I would have expected the www to be more
> > up-to-date.
>
> I always wondered why women want to keep their "original" name once
> married. I mean, face it, the name you grew up with is STILL a mans
> name that your mother took on when she got married! When DD got married
> she kept her birth name and added her DH's name with a hyphen. I told
> her now she had TWO men's names -- I do so love to pester that child --
> LOL! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
My sister asked the same thing. It may have been my father's name,
but it was also my name for 33 years before I married. It's the name
under which I have published and made a professional reputation. Why
ever would I want to change it only to let the world know that I have
married? That assumes that my marital status is more important than
my professional reputation and it isn't. It annoys me no end that
anyone thinks it should be.
Elizabeth
NDJoan
> It's like, they all, like, seem to like pick up any bad speech pattern
> that they like hear. Has the word like become acceptable with the kids?
> Or is it just a fad?
I guess I haven't noticed that particular phrase being over-used these
days. That was "Valley girl"-speak about 15 years ago (Hahahaha!
Just looked up her employment record and it was *27* years ago!!!!
Yikes!). Which was when I had a student worker who spoke like that.
I had been teasing her about her use of "like" every 2 seconds and she
refused to believe she did it. When she was on the phone one day, I
was nearby and said "like" every time she did. When she hung up, she
said, "Boy, I really *do* say that a lot, don't I?" LOL!
My, time flies!
Joan
NDJoan
wrote:
> If one has a name that might apply to
> either gender there may be some sort of assistance rendered by a title, but
> at this late hour of the night I am hard pressed to think of any........
Well, let's see...just off the top of my head there's:
Kim (although you don't see that much for boys, anymore)
Tracy
Jaden
Gail
Jesse
Bobbie/y
Casey
There are actually quite a few.
Joan
Cheryl Isaak
afdb2f2a-fc1f-403d...@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com,
"epc...@mindspring.com" <epc...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Feb 21, 8:08 pm, Gillian Murray <gillmurr...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> lucille wrote:
>>
>>> "Tia Mary" <CatWom7...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:70bc1r...@mid.individual.net...
>>>> lucretia borgia wrote:
>>>>> Just bringing this to your attention Gillian, even though you are not
>>>>> a guy either, don't you have a list and personal knowledge about all
>>>>> sorts of LNS ??
>>
>>>> Since I don't ever use the term "gal" then ***MY*** use of the term
>>>> "guy" is generic and refers to anyone who happens to read my post,
>>>> regardless of gender. My generation (which is the one after yours, I
>>>> think) has used the term to mean both male and female -- at least the
>>>> West coast version of my generation. I'm really sorry that the
>>>> language hasn't stayed static since the 40's but if it makes you feel
>>>> more "whatever" to poke fun at my use of the term "guy" to address
>>>> everyone, then go for it! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
>>
>>>> PAX, Tia Mary >^;;^< (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
>>>> Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
>>>> their whiskers!
>>>> Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary
>>
>>> It's fine to use guys as long as you don't say "You'se guys" the way all
>>> the wait staff does here in the south.
>>
>> Ya know something. I live in Central Florida and I greatly dislike the
>> "youse guys", folks" etc. What the hell is wrong with Sir and Ma'am???
>> They are not my chosen friends, they are employees I don't know and as
>> such should treat me that way.
>
> So employees are some how subservient to you? I HATE being called
> Ma'am.
>
> Elizabeth
Some times I'd much prefer M'am, especially wait staff at a nicer
restaurant. You guys or Folks just lowers the tone.
Cheryl
epc...@mindspring.com
>
> > So employees are some how subservient to you? I HATE being called
> > Ma'am.
>
> > Elizabeth
>
> Some times I'd much prefer M'am, especially wait staff at a nicer
> restaurant. You guys or Folks just lowers the tone.
>
It's not a binary choice. What's wrong with "Is everything alright?"
or "May I get you anything else?" No address needed.
Elizabeeth
Dawne Peterson
"Tia Mary" wrote
>
> I always wondered why women want to keep their "original" name once
> married. I mean, face it, the name you grew up with is STILL a mans name
> that your mother took on when she got married! When DD got married she
> kept her birth name and added her DH's name with a hyphen. I told her now
> she had TWO men's names -- I do so love to pester that child --
> LOL! CiaoMeow >^;;^<
>
I answered to through school, the name on my social insurance card, my
health card, my driver's license, my diplomas and my library card. That it
came from my father's family is just a fact of history, pretty recent
history actually as the surname was only fixed in the early 20th C my
Canadian immigration officers after generations of the family following the
old Swedish way of taking the father's first name with a son or daughter
designation as the surname.
Also because I deplored the legal history that said that on marriage two
became one, and that one was the man (that is more or less the quote from
Blackstone's commentaries). I have never had any intention of disappearing
or submerging into another identity, and the name was a way of saying that.
The fight for women to retain individual rights although married is not that
old.
And also because it insured that I would never be gifted with one of those
god-awful house signs that says "The Henderson's", because that wrongly used
apostrophe makes me crazy.
And not all of our mother's took their husband's name. Mine did, but that
particular argument ends here in this family.
Hey Brat and Sheena, I have a couple of rather ratty old bras for the
bonfire.
Dawne
flitterbit
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:44:22 -0500, Ericka <e...@invalid.invalid>
> opined:
>
>
>> lucretia borgia wrote:
>>
>>> I don't want the language to remain static, there would be no point,
>>> but why would I want to be called 'guy' - that says to me that I am
>>> being given an honour, being allowed to be called one of the guys.
>> In all of my dictionaries of American English, "guy"
>> is defined as a male person ("I was talking to this guy
>> yesterday...") but "guys" is defined as an informal term to refer to
>> a group of people of either (or mixed) gender ("You guys want
>> some coffee?").
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Ericka
>
>
> Still sounds very masculine to me - I just know I do not want to be
> one of the guys ---- Proud to be female.
>
>
Imho, it may be acceptable, but using "guys" to refer to a mixed group
strikes me as dismissive of any women in said group. I'm more inclined
to use gender-neutral terms like "folks", etc.
Dawne Peterson
"flitterbit" wrote
>
> Imho, it may be acceptable, but using "guys" to refer to a mixed group
> strikes me as dismissive of any women in said group. I'm more inclined to
> use gender-neutral terms like "folks", etc.
When I was in grad school, one of the department members mentioned how
readily I had been accepted as one of the guys. My mentor pointed out to
him that at our first meeting, it had been clear to him that I was not a
guy. I agree with you!
Dawne
Karen C in California
>
> Hey Brat and Sheena, I have a couple of rather ratty old bras for the
> bonfire.
>
> Dawne
>
>
I've gained weight in the RIGHT place for once, and will be pleased to
contribute the old ones that no longer fit.
--
Karen C - California
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(Janlynn),
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women should be flattered by being thought of as "one of the guys", as
though it were the height of achievement.
Cheryl Isaak
d8ed6672-d493-46c2...@v15g2000yqn.googlegroups.com,
"epc...@mindspring.com" <epc...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Sorry, I don't think I agree. If DD and I are out to dinner, I'd prefer both
of us to addressed separately - as M'am and Miss. Or as it happens at her
favorite Mexican place - Senora and Senorita
Cheryl
lucille
"flitterbit" <fric...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gnus6a$vp3$1...@news.motzarella.org...
I never wanted to be thought of as one of the guys and would get my back up
if someone referred to me as a guy, or for that matter a gal, and never ever
"my girl." I also always thought when someone called me hon or dearie, it
was because they couldn't remember my name. No need to use Ms or Mrs. and I
prefer that it not be used, but guys was different.
When someone called out hey guys-do it this way, I thought of it as
generic. Maybe where you come from makes the difference. In my
neighborhood it was just a way to address a group and wasn't gender
specific.
Lucille
epc...@mindspring.com
I don't think you have to agree. You like it, that' s ok. I can
still hate it. I especially hate the Ma'am/Miss split. It's one
thing to distinguish between an older and a younger woman, but it is
technically supposed to distinguish between a married and an unmarried
woman and I hate that.
Elizabeth
Dawne Peterson
Elizabeth wrote
Cheryl Isaak wrote:
> >>> So employees are some how subservient to you? I HATE being called
> >>> Ma'am.
>
> >>> Elizabeth
>
> >> Some times I'd much prefer M'am, especially wait staff at a nicer
> >> restaurant. You guys or Folks just lowers the tone.
>
> > It's not a binary choice. What's wrong with "Is everything alright?"
> > or "May I get you anything else?" No address needed.
>
> > Elizabeeth
>
> Sorry, I don't think I agree. If DD and I are out to dinner, I'd prefer
> both
> of us to addressed separately - as M'am and Miss. Or as it happens at her
> favorite Mexican place - Senora and Senorita
I don't think you have to agree. You like it, that' s ok. I can
still hate it. I especially hate the Ma'am/Miss split. It's one
thing to distinguish between an older and a younger woman, but it is
technically supposed to distinguish between a married and an unmarried woman
and I hate that.
Indeed. If a friend and I are just trying to find out how big the house
salad is, what does our marital status have to do with it??
Imagine a server trying to decide whether to Ma'am or Miss my football
team when we are out together, all women whose ages range from teen to
fifties, includes me and DD, several women who are married, some of whom are
Mrs. and some of whom aren't, and at least one same sex couple.
Dawme
Gillian Murray
> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:43:47 -0800 (PST), epc...@mindspring.com
> opined:
>
>> On Feb 22, 5:44 pm, lucretia borgia <lucretiabor...@florence.it>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 05:56:11 -0800 (PST), epc...@mindspring.com
>>> opined:
>>>> Ma'am.
>>>> Elizabeth
>>> sure she will take any neutral term, as would I. In fact, it rarely
>>> calls for any specific term in a restaurant particularly, it is
>>> superfluous.
>> Um, excuse me? Did you read what she said? She would like to be
>> called "ma'am." And I'm sure that Gillian can speak for herself.
>> LOL!
>>
>> Elizabeth
>
> She was just having a 'regal' moment lol
Regal, maybe. However, I do like a "title". It is nice when the checkers
in the grocery store look at the name on my credit card and say "Thank
you Mrs Murray". I don't think it is extraordinary to wish to be
addressed courteously. Bear in mind Olwyn, Sheena and I are all much of
a muchness in age, and were brought up using British ways.
Yes, Bruce, when I wa at school the boys were always known by their
surnames, whereas we girls were known by their Christian names. That's
the way it was.
Gill
Ericka
> Well, there are lots of reasons, but one of them is convenience. When I
> married and took my husband's name, I had to change all my personal id.
> My maiden name was much shorter, and if I were getting married today, I
> would probably just stay with my maiden name.
Convenience is definitely a reason. And regardless of
where the name came from originally, by the time one marries,
it's been one's surname for (probably) decades. One does get
accustomed. Furthermore, keeping the same name makes it easy
for old friends to find one, maintains publications histories
intact, doesn't cause confusion with any professional
certifications under previous names, etc.
Best wishes,
Ericka